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2012-07-02 09:41:18 AM  
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"Hello, I'm Chuck Darwin, and even though I'm not American, or even alive for that matter, I support and fully endorse the second amendment. Keep farking that chicken, America."
 
2012-07-02 09:50:21 AM  
Do not touch the weapons when the range is clear. If you do, the range master should chew your ass off.
 
2012-07-02 10:36:47 AM  
Obviously faked. Everyone knows that AKs never jam.
 
2012-07-02 10:37:36 AM  
Holy shiat that is a lot of coincidences.

3 friends in bathroom (possible gang bang?)

Instant kill from a misfire? The chances of a bullet making an instant kill when unaimed are VERY slim.

Alone at gun club they weren't supposed to be at?

Me thinks there is A LOT more to this story
 
2012-07-02 10:38:22 AM  
A jammed AK-47? Yeah, I don't think so.
 
2012-07-02 10:38:51 AM  
The old "friend" down range when my jammed AK goes off and kills him routine. That will teach him to fark my girlfriend while I am at work.
 
2012-07-02 10:39:07 AM  
So they sneak onto a range without permission then start wandering onto the range while one guy with a jammed freaking assault rifle is trying to clear it? Darwin approves of this cleaning of the gene pool.
 
2012-07-02 10:39:38 AM  
Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.
 
2012-07-02 10:40:03 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Holy shiat that is a lot of coincidences.

3 friends in bathroom (possible gang bang?)

Instant kill from a misfire? The chances of a bullet making an instant kill when unaimed are VERY slim.

Alone at gun club they weren't supposed to be at?

Me thinks there is A LOT more to this story



I'm skeptical that the firearm was an AK. Like OldManDownDRoad said, those things don't jam (often).
 
2012-07-02 10:40:32 AM  

voodoo_curse: A jammed AK-47? Yeah, I don't think so.


That is because it wasn't an AK. It was one of the cheaply made semi-automatic variants of the AK. The media just reports everything that remotely looks like an AK as an AK.
 
2012-07-02 10:41:05 AM  
 
2012-07-02 10:41:35 AM  
I'm not getting the whole picture here. Was there any staff on hand? Because there's no chance in hell they would've let this guy on the range with a bullet still in a gun and the gun being handled.

The story however says that the shooter told the other people he was a member, when in fact he was not. If he lied to them to get them to come with, then used the range when no one was around, and then managed to be fixing a jam at the moment the other two members of their party was out of sight....I'd want to know if the shooter had a grudge against the victim.
 
2012-07-02 10:41:47 AM  
Don't tell me what to do.
 
2012-07-02 10:41:50 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: 3 friends in bathroom (possible gang bang?)


If 3 of the 4 were in the bathroom then who shot the 4th guy........


You may want to check your math.
 
2012-07-02 10:43:43 AM  
RIP John Kimball?
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2012-07-02 10:43:57 AM  
"...his friend was applying lubricant..."

"One of the males and the teen girl went to the bathroom and did not witness what had happened..."

Giggity.
 
2012-07-02 10:44:09 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.


No we use Lapuas for that. They'll tear right through the gearbox of a UH-60.
 
2012-07-02 10:44:32 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47?


Thinking of it as a semi-auto version of a 30-30 and the versatility is pretty obvious.
 
2012-07-02 10:44:56 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.


Maybe he bought it cuz they're fun?

On a serious note, an AK can jam, it's usually caused form the laquer on cheap ammo melting in the hot chamber, it can gum things up. But the article states that the kid had just got the rifle back from service. Either way, learn how to clear a weapon, always point it down range. Never walk out on to the range. it's like walking blindfolded out onto a freeway.
 
2012-07-02 10:45:07 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

Hey, anyone who's played World of Tanks knows that the only way to dominate is use the Soviet tech tree.
 
2012-07-02 10:46:23 AM  
If I'm an actual member of that club, I'm a little concerned that people can just walk in unchecked, can wander around & can just start firin' away.

Nice security. Really, what else could go wrong?
 
2012-07-02 10:46:26 AM  
Why do I imagine that alcohol was involved?
 
2012-07-02 10:47:04 AM  
Anybody else have big, huge, BS alarms ringing in their head right now?


There's no doubt it COULD have happened as described, and if so everyone involved was a total moron ignorant of basic gun safety, but my "spidey sense" tells me there will be a LOT more to this story when all is said and done.


The chance of weapon "accidentially" chambering a round and firing, the bullet hitting the friend, this accidential discharge being an instantly fatal shot, and all occuring while the only two other potential witnesses were conveniently in the bathroom?

Yeah, something ain't right here...
 
2012-07-02 10:47:36 AM  
www.no-clutter.com
 
2012-07-02 10:47:43 AM  

ongbok: voodoo_curse: A jammed AK-47? Yeah, I don't think so.

That is because it wasn't an AK. It was one of the cheaply made semi-automatic variants of the AK. The media just reports everything that remotely looks like an AK as an AK.


Or it was the AK-74 and the reporter could not tell the difference.
 
2012-07-02 10:48:39 AM  

OldManDownDRoad: Obviously faked. Everyone knows that AKs never jam.


AK-47

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2012-07-02 10:48:54 AM  

Giltric: DoBeDoBeDo: 3 friends in bathroom (possible gang bang?)

If 3 of the 4 were in the bathroom then who shot the 4th guy........


You may want to check your math.


Sorry I read it as 4 guys and 1 girl.

/Probably just hoping there was a gangbang in progress.
 
2012-07-02 10:49:05 AM  
Accident? Not buying it, and neither will the detectives.
 
2012-07-02 10:50:38 AM  
It sounds like they headed out to an outdoor range after hours for some gun shootin/drinkin/foolin around time.

If the range was in operation, then yes the range master should have been all over that idiot for going down range.
 
2012-07-02 10:53:10 AM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-02 10:55:23 AM  

iron_city_ap: OldManDownDRoad: Obviously faked. Everyone knows that AKs never jam.

AK-47

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www.unc.edu
 
2012-07-02 10:58:23 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.


The reliability of the Kalashnikov action (assuming the firearm to be properly manufactured) has resulted in increased popularity amongst recreational target shooters. The caliber is also sufficient for hunting animals up to the size of deer.
 
2012-07-02 10:58:31 AM  

gopher321: [mojoimage.com image 221x228]


"Hello, I'm Chuck Darwin, and even though I'm not American, or even alive for that matter, I support and fully endorse the second amendment. Keep farking that chicken, America."


Hey, Chuck, remember what happened in Europe a few decades back? Glass houses, and all that.
 
2012-07-02 10:59:15 AM  

Famous Thamas: It sounds like they headed out to an outdoor range after hours for some gun shootin/drinkin/foolin around time.

If the range was in operation, then yes the range master should have been all over that idiot for going down range.


Yup.

Whenever I read about people griping about "Range Nazis" who are coming down on shooters for unsafe practices, this is the kind of crap that results when nobody gives a damn about safety. People going downrange on hot ranges, others dicking with weapons during a cold range, other morons who don't have the first clue how to handle their guns safely at any time, etc.

If you're shooting at an unmanned range (not just one where you're trespassing after hours), one person needs to be appointed rangemaster and everybody MUST obey the commands.

Really, this is why I don't use unstaffed ranges... as much as I love guns and the majority of shooters are decent people, there's a significant minority of shooters who are just cast iron assholes with a "you're not the boss of me complex."
 
2012-07-02 11:01:00 AM  

Famous Thamas: It sounds like they headed out to an outdoor range after hours for some gun shootin/drinkin/foolin around time.

If the range was in operation, then yes the range master should have been all over that idiot for going down range.


See, that's the thing. The anti-gun types take this story and run with it as if this kind of carelessness happens all the time, whereas gun people treat it like a driver of a car does hearing about a traffic accident: what errors occurred here? Who screwed up? Was this preventable by following normal procedure? (Sounds like yes from what you say.)
 
2012-07-02 11:02:23 AM  

gopher321: "Hello, I'm Chuck Darwin, and even though I'm not American, or even alive for that matter, I support and fully endorse the second amendment. Keep farking that chicken, America."


I think Darwin loves the automobile more.

If this was really an accident, its the shooter who shouldnt be procreating.
 
2012-07-02 11:04:47 AM  
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2012-07-02 11:04:53 AM  

akula: Famous Thamas: It sounds like they headed out to an outdoor range after hours for some gun shootin/drinkin/foolin around time.

If the range was in operation, then yes the range master should have been all over that idiot for going down range.

Yup.

Whenever I read about people griping about "Range Nazis" who are coming down on shooters for unsafe practices, this is the kind of crap that results when nobody gives a damn about safety. People going downrange on hot ranges, others dicking with weapons during a cold range, other morons who don't have the first clue how to handle their guns safely at any time, etc.

If you're shooting at an unmanned range (not just one where you're trespassing after hours), one person needs to be appointed rangemaster and everybody MUST obey the commands.

Really, this is why I don't use unstaffed ranges... as much as I love guns and the majority of shooters are decent people, there's a significant minority of shooters who are just cast iron assholes with a "you're not the boss of me complex."


Better to leave the range when retards show up than to suffer from some petty tyrant's whim.
 
2012-07-02 11:05:59 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Do not touch the weapons when the range is clear. If you do, the range master should chew your ass off kick your ass off the range.


FTFY
 
2012-07-02 11:06:00 AM  

akula: Famous Thamas: It sounds like they headed out to an outdoor range after hours for some gun shootin/drinkin/foolin around time.

If the range was in operation, then yes the range master should have been all over that idiot for going down range.

Yup.

Whenever I read about people griping about "Range Nazis" who are coming down on shooters for unsafe practices, this is the kind of crap that results when nobody gives a damn about safety. People going downrange on hot ranges, others dicking with weapons during a cold range, other morons who don't have the first clue how to handle their guns safely at any time, etc.

If you're shooting at an unmanned range (not just one where you're trespassing after hours), one person needs to be appointed rangemaster and everybody MUST obey the commands.

Really, this is why I don't use unstaffed ranges... as much as I love guns and the majority of shooters are decent people, there's a significant minority of shooters who are just cast iron assholes with a "you're not the boss of me complex."


theres such a thing as an unstaffed range? jeebus.

the range i used to go at the range master wouldve stomped the guts out of the guy for being on the bench when people are down range or the other guy for going downrange when the range is still hot.

either way there's a whole lot of Midwestern Stupid goin on here, ja? Go have a pop or something.
 
2012-07-02 11:07:54 AM  
CSB: During my second deployment to Iraq my company found numerous weapons caches, with a great many AK-47s and ammo, as well as a variety of other weapons. One day when not much was going on my platoon leader decided that we would take some of the captured weapons and ammo and go out and shoot it, because A) shooting guns is fun and B) knowing how to use the enemy's weapons could come in handy, you'll never know. Just about everyone in the platoon fhad already fired off a few magazines when an urgent message came through on the radio telling us to immediately desist. Apparently before our unit got there the 101st had also found numerous weapons caches in the area, but instead of merely confiscating them they would occasionally replace the regular ammunition with ammo provided by the CIA, in which the gunpowder had been replaced by C4 so that it would explode when fired. They didn't really keep any detalied records of these caches, so it was entirely possible that some of the ammunition we had found was of the doctored variety.
 
2012-07-02 11:08:06 AM  

jbuist: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47?

Thinking of it as a semi-auto version of a 30-30 and the versatility is pretty obvious.


Yep. The 7.62x39mm cartridge, when loaded with expanding bullets, is a decent short range (less than 100 yards) deer cartridge. An AK-style gun, with a 5 round magazine, is an excellent deep woods/swamp deer gun, and I've noticed over the past couple decades that AKs, and especially SKS-style guns, have begun to gradually replace the venerable lever-action carbine as brush guns. A gun that groups 6" at 100 yards is perfectly adequate for deer, even if considered to be "inaccurate" by most standards. Their short length makes them handy in thick brush, and being semi-automatic they allow for a quick follow-up shot if necessary. The fact that they are inexpensive also helps: A $125 SKS getting scratched up is easier to handle than a $300 Winchester Model 94.

One neat innovation I recently saw was a Marble-type rear aperture sight for an SKS: It replaces the rear take-down lever, and apparently it retains its zero when removing it for cleaning, and it effectively doubles the notoriously short sight radius on an SKS.
 
2012-07-02 11:13:49 AM  

Father_Jack:

theres such a thing as an unstaffed range? jeebus.



Yes. There are quite a few outdoor ranges on government property that are unmanned. People go out there to sight in their hunting rifles and are responsible for cleanup, etc. They are way out in the middle of nowhere and have no amenities beyond a trash bin.
 
2012-07-02 11:14:08 AM  

Father_Jack: theres such a thing as an unstaffed range? jeebus.


Yes.

The Missouri Department of Conservation has a bunch of ranges around the state; only a few are actually staffed and maintained. The unmanned ones can be useful for shooting some things you can't at a more maintained range (like buckshot), but it's open to everybody. I've read numerous stories of people having a pleasant day at the range when a truck full of yahoos shows up and starts blasting away when people are downrange.

Some membership only clubs are also unstaffed, but those often require members and guests to voluntarily adhere to a code of conduct as a requirement for using the place. It sounds like they were at one of these kinds of ranges in TFA, only they weren't members and weren't supposed to be there at all.
 
2012-07-02 11:14:36 AM  

Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Do not touch the weapons when the range is clear. If you do, the range master should chew your ass off kick your ass off the range.

FTFY


FTFA: They didn't have permission to be there in the first place. He wasn't a member.
 
2012-07-02 11:14:46 AM  

akula: Famous Thamas: It sounds like they headed out to an outdoor range after hours for some gun shootin/drinkin/foolin around time.

If the range was in operation, then yes the range master should have been all over that idiot for going down range.

Yup.

Whenever I read about people griping about "Range Nazis" who are coming down on shooters for unsafe practices, this is the kind of crap that results when nobody gives a damn about safety. People going downrange on hot ranges, others dicking with weapons during a cold range, other morons who don't have the first clue how to handle their guns safely at any time, etc.

If you're shooting at an unmanned range (not just one where you're trespassing after hours), one person needs to be appointed rangemaster and everybody MUST obey the commands.

Really, this is why I don't use unstaffed ranges... as much as I love guns and the majority of shooters are decent people, there's a significant minority of shooters who are just cast iron assholes with a "you're not the boss of me complex."


I used to think belonging to a private shooting club was a waste of time until some kids started playing with a mosin-nagant with hot loads next to me, and I realized that it just wasnt worth the risk.
 
2012-07-02 11:15:43 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.


Why, because tanks and jets that are "not particularly useful against an insurgency" in a foreign land suddenly become useful when used against a domestic insurgency?

You don't have to be able to *WIN*, you just have to make it so potentially expensive that they won't try it in the first place.
 
2012-07-02 11:19:42 AM  

dittybopper: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

Why, because tanks and jets that are "not particularly useful against an insurgency" in a foreign land suddenly become useful when used against a domestic insurgency?


Well sure, that's why Eisenhower signed the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act, so we'd have big roads to handle the heavy armor traffic.
 
2012-07-02 11:19:42 AM  

Father_Jack:
theres such a thing as an unstaffed range? jeebus.



I belong to a private "sportsman's club" just down the street from my house. We have unstaffed ranges. To "qualify" for the range you must pass a basic safety orientation class (basically sit through a lecture).

I cringe whenever I drive in and find both ranges occupied. If I know who the shooter is I might step in next to him/her, but often I come back later. This isnt even a public range and I am still appalled at the lack of muzzle control and risky hot/cold range activities. I dont get anywhere near as much out of my practice when there is someone else on the range next to me- half of my attention is on them, and for good reason. What part of "step away from the line and keep your hands away from your guns when the range is cold" do people not understand?

Proper gun safety is really one of the simplest things you can learn and can easily become second nature if proper attention is paid to it from day 1. The problem is, if you arent in the habit of actively focusing on gun safety each and every time you touch a firearm, be it at home, in the woods, at the range, etc, you are less likely to notice when you are being unintentionally unsafe.

end rant.
 
2012-07-02 11:19:55 AM  
Beyond the obvious idiocy, two things stick out for me in this story.

One, if the weapon had already malfunctioned enough for repeated service, it was probably not a standard Russian model and more likely a cheap Chinese knockoff.
"It had been malfunctioning and he had it serviced and received it back and was firing it at the range,"

Two, someone needs to kick their teenage daughter right in the ass. Three armed men on a shooting range does not equal safe sex!
"Three 19-year-old men and a 16-year-old girl." "One of the males and the teen girl went to the bathroom and did not witness what had happened."
 
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