maxximillian: Myth 5 games only have violent themes.Who says they only have violent themes? Nothing like inventing a myth just to disprove it./is that an example of begging the question?
AverageAmericanGuy: Prolonged adolescence is a terrible thing.
akula: Meh, video games are just another form of entertainment. No more, no less.
morlinge: White text on a black background hurts my brain.
Cinaed: 2. Video games are pointless? Anything that can be taught via a 'video game' can be taught more effectively through other more direct means.
El Morro: akula: Meh, video games are just another form of entertainment. No more, no less.Exactly.I'm in my mid 30's, self employed, and engaged, and I still enjoy about 1/2 hour to an hour of Multiplayer online gaming a night to unwind after work (Max Payne 3 these days, or BF3 if I have more time). My weekends are pretty busy, but when I have more time and low funds, I can game some more.My fiancee LOVES those horrible "Real Housewives of blah blah" shows, which, IMO is worse than gaming. At least I have to think about teamwork, game mechanics, strategy, etc. She just sits there watching rich c*nts fight with each other for an hour.If games didn't advance technologically, I probably would have become bored with them at some point, but look how far we've come since "Duke Nukem". "Half Life/Half Life 2" are probably the games that hooked me for life. After Ravenholm, I clearly remember thinking, "Yeah... if they can keep creating playable movies like this, I'm gonna keep on playing them."/adults just play less games less often.
Burr: Teaching via video games makes a nice starting point. I wanted to learn to play the guitar, but I travel a lot so I can't have a human teacher (I have an irregular schedule),so my wife bought me Rocksmith for Christmas. It teaches me basic stuff, lets me play along with songs, etc.. Granted, I will never be a master guitar player (especially since I am 30 with two very young children and I can only devote at most an hour a day to practicing, if that) via the game, but it is a nice place to learn the basics in a comfortable environment (and it is fun as well, especially the mini games that help with techniques).
AverageAmericanGuy: Have you considered joining a punk band? Those don't seem to require any musical talent.
J. Frank Parnell: Myth #5: Games only have negative themes, such as violence and sex.Since when is sex negative?That's not a myth, at least as far as violence goes. Sex games are relatively rare, but violence and murder are central in 98% of the games out there. It's amusing how he tries to argue that by saying Gears of War is actually a wholesome father and son tale.
ryant123: maxximillian: Myth 5 games only have violent themes.Who says they only have violent themes? Nothing like inventing a myth just to disprove it./is that an example of begging the question?It's closer to a straw man, i.e., the writer invents an absurd proposition that nobody actually believes, and then refutes it and says "checkmate!"
yves0010: 2. Video games are pointless?Like stated already, some are and some are educational / work out games. But then again, so is everything else to some degree. Movies / TV is pointless unless they are educational / work out shows. They are made for entertainment reasons.
MuonNeutrino: I wonder if anyone really still believes the 'video gamers are all teen/preteen boys' one?
Burr: yves0010: 2. Video games are pointless?Like stated already, some are and some are educational / work out games. But then again, so is everything else to some degree. Movies / TV is pointless unless they are educational / work out shows. They are made for entertainment reasons.Want to see heads explode? Say reading fictional literature is just as pointless as watching TV....
yves0010: 3. Violent video games are making kids aggressive?I have yet to see any evidence that says games make people more aggressive. Then again, I have also seen people playing chess and someone gets pissed and flips the board cause they are loosing. Same goes with baseball / football / soccer / and so forth and so on.
thecpt: yves0010:3. Violent video games are making kids aggressive?I have yet to see any evidence that says games make people more aggressive. Then again, I have also seen people playing chess and someone gets pissed and flips the board cause they are loosing. Same goes with baseball / football / soccer / and so forth and so on.In a class we had the standard "debate" course with selective topics. Someone chose violence in entertainment and its effects so I took the counter argument. There is just as much research for the proof side as there is for the counter argument, which to me debunks it. Biggest factor for violence especially in youths for the last 3 decade was the supreme court decision to allow abortions. Violence DROPPED 18 years later (mid 90's). Ever since that Christian crusade dropped the violence in media issue (at least in comparison to the Tipper Gore level it was at in the 90's).Best is the Penn and Teller BS episode on it.
Inaditch: Their job, their home and their relationships don't provide that easy, constant feeling of accomplishment, so they get bored or upset and go back to playing video games.
akula: You raise some good points. Are you a Dr., Acula?
dragonchild: Also, a lot of people think of video games as childish; as in, if you play video games, they think something's wrong with you. A number of women rule out or confront men who play video games as irresponsible and clinging to childhood. I'm OK with that, though -- we shouldn't discourage miserable, crazy gold-diggers from outing themselves.
thecpt: akula: You raise some good points. Are you a Dr., Acula?
akula: You can say that for most anything. It's hardly unique to video games. Porn, drugs, hobbies, anything that isn't directly productive has had this kind of accusation levied against it.But then again, even if you are 100% correct, that still leads to the following question: The hell does it matter to YOU?That's not me being combative, that's me trying to get a point across- what right does anybody have to dictate what forms of entertainment are acceptable or unacceptable? If you're going based on total direct and indirect impact on the world around us, video games comes off looking pretty good- somebody playing WoW or Madden every spare moment is not out harming other people. They are minding their own business and even contributing to the economy (video games are big business). So what if they aren't curing cancer? Even people out jogging, riding bikes, rock climbing, etc. are all engaged in behavior that is ultimately pointless; so they've run a marathon- who gives a flying fark? How has that made the world any better now that they've done 26.2 miles in a stretch? Sure, they're fit, but so what?As I said, video games are no more nor less pointless than most other ways humans have found to pass the time.
Inaditch: I'm always amused at how defensive people get about their pointless hobbies, video games included.
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