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GregInIndy		2012-07-02 10:42:25 AM

These poor, beknighted souls who're exposed to the possibility of a tax increase in two years ONLY IF they fail to get themselves some health insurance between now and then - does anyone here know who they actually are? Anyone? Class?

They're the 20-something / 30-something douchebags who right now don't carry insurance, yet when they get sick or get hurt unexpectedly go to an urgent care or emergency facility to get treated for free, the cost of which gets passed on to you and I as insurance carriers. Excuse me if I fail to weep for irresponsible youth & young adults being prodded to cover their own health costs rather than soak the system.

InmanRoshi		2012-07-02 10:43:15 AM

Cinaed: The party of personal responsibility doesn't like... personal responsibility?

They like it when it's proposed by Bill Bennett or some other Republican.

When it's proposed by BallSack FARTSSEIN Zerobammey it's basically the Holocaust, except worse.

God's Hubris		2012-07-02 10:43:53 AM

And here I was thinking Obamacare was a great way for millions of Americans to get healthcare.

LouDobbsAwaaaay		2012-07-02 10:45:53 AM

God's Hubris: And here I was thinking Obamacare was a great way for millions of Americans to get healthcare.

Single payer would be a great way. This is merely better than the GOP's "die in the street like a stray dog" plan.

InmanRoshi		2012-07-02 10:46:19 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Ned Stark: What the fark is up with the weepy "It's your plan! Why don't you love it/us?" shiat?

That's called being facetious. Merely highlighting that there is nothing for the GOP to truly dislike, it was their goddamned plan. That's actually one of the reasons the president went this route, he figured they could get on board and have some meaningful input. There is something about this president though, something that makes them reflectively oppose everything he says or does. I can't put my finger on it, but it has to be something that makes him different from past presidents.

Yeah, I don't know why Republicans can't get behind Obama, even when he's supporting their causes and platforms.

it's almost as if a dark cloud hangs over him. Like he casts a black eye on the entire country. Kenya hear what I'm saying?

Sgt Stubby		2012-07-02 10:47:10 AM

When I see liberals marching and chanting (or belly dancing or whatever) for ObamaCare, I have to wonder... why?

I know that the liberals of Fark.com are the most intelligent people on earth, so I pose this question to their collective brilliance: If Obama 'gave you healthcare', as you claim, what do you now have that you didn't have before? I mean, ObamaCare is nothing more than a new tax on you if you can't afford insurance, along with a slew of new rules that make insurance more expensive.

How is that 'giving you healthcare'?

Dog Welder		2012-07-02 10:47:24 AM

Mrtraveler01: Dusk-You-n-Me: FEHRNSTROM: That's correct. But the president also needs to be held accountable for his contradictory statements.

Did the Romney campaign just divide by zero?

I think when you couple this with the Mitch McConnell interview linked here yesterday, they may have actually divided by DERP.

loonatic112358		2012-07-02 10:47:30 AM

your blog sucks submitter

Dusk-You-n-Me		2012-07-02 10:48:05 AM

Sgt Stubby: If Obama 'gave you healthcare', as you claim

I never claimed that. Next.

Dr Dreidel		2012-07-02 10:48:17 AM

BillCo: Some Bass Playing Guy: Did we really need ANOTHER health care greenlight?

You can bet the White House wishes it would just quietly go away. O is falling all over himself trying to explain how this is not a tax that will be paid mostly by middle class Americans.

How is it a tax? I have HI as part of my compensation package. What extra tax will I be paying?

// I am paying extra taxes for not being married, for not having kids, for not having mortgage interest, for not owning farm equipment, for not being a business...
// so that's nice
// it's only a tax if you don't get HI - and it'd be cheaper to pay the penalty (but without the added benefit of, you know, having insurance)

Xcott		2012-07-02 10:48:28 AM

What's silly about this objection is that the alternate John Galt plan---make uninsured people pay out of pocket for their emergency room bills or turn them away---sticks even poorer people with even bigger bills.

It also goes a lot farther than any "death panel." It's more of a death receptionist.

loonatic112358		2012-07-02 10:48:33 AM

sigdiamond2000: Heroic blogger-patriot in question:

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looks like he jizzed in his pants

Lenny_da_Hog		2012-07-02 10:48:35 AM

GregInIndy		2012-07-02 10:49:01 AM

doyner: I can't believe it isn't obvious to everyone that the reason the right is against this law is that it caps insurance companies' profit margins. Everything else is just noise.

Biggity Bingo. Insurers can still make bank, but can no longer pad their costs. Which saves so much money it makes the right's ideas about using "malpractice reform" to make it impossible to sue bad docs look like the chump change it is.

Mrtraveler01		2012-07-02 10:50:04 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay		2012-07-02 10:50:06 AM

Sgt Stubby: When I see liberals marching and chanting (or belly dancing or whatever) for ObamaCare, I have to wonder... why?

When I see conservatives marching and chanting (or calling in death threats or whatever) for ObamaCare, I have to wonder ... why?

beta_plus		2012-07-02 10:50:24 AM

But I was assured that Obamacare would make a healthcare free! The writer of the article is just racist.

Truncks1		2012-07-02 10:50:45 AM

Hobodeluxe: Truncks1: And yet, here they are crying. About what?

because they're afraid people will like it and the Dems will be able to campaign on it for decades.

Yeah, but they won't say that. ;)

I'm sure in a few years, Republicans will re-write history to show that they were the ones who in fact invented it and so it was their victory. They just didn't like *insert random unpopular provision* and that's why they opposed it so vehemently.

HotWingConspiracy		2012-07-02 10:51:07 AM

Sgt Stubby: If Obama 'gave you healthcare', as you claim

Who claimed this? I personally already have insurance.

Dusk-You-n-Me		2012-07-02 10:51:36 AM

It's "make up things liberals said about Obamacare" day. Apparently.

Infernalist		2012-07-02 10:51:51 AM

Sgt Stubby: When I see liberals marching and chanting (or belly dancing or whatever) for ObamaCare, I have to wonder... why?

I know that the liberals of Fark.com are the most intelligent people on earth, so I pose this question to their collective brilliance: If Obama 'gave you healthcare', as you claim, what do you now have that you didn't have before? I mean, ObamaCare is nothing more than a new tax on you if you can't afford insurance, along with a slew of new rules that make insurance more expensive.

How is that 'giving you healthcare'?

1) Those that can't afford it will get it subsidized through the government or they'll be included into the expanded Medicare/Medicaid.

2) Those that 'can' afford it, 'will' get it, and due to the huge pools of buyers, their premiums will be lower than they would be right now if they went out to buy insurance.

3) The only people who will be hit with this tax are those who 'can' afford it, but choose not to buy it. Selfish people, mostly.

Bloody William		2012-07-02 10:52:25 AM

I love how conservatives are still trying to get this "NEW TAX!" thing to work, because they don't understand that, outside of their little circle of crazy, taxes are not the worst thing in the world, and that if taxes can offset our astronomically high health care costs or otherwise keep us better covered, they're actually worth it.

Jackpot777		2012-07-02 10:52:48 AM

sigdiamond2000: Heroic blogger-patriot in question:

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ERMERGERD

RERBERTS SERD THERS ERS TERXERS

cefm		2012-07-02 10:52:49 AM

Says FOX NEWS. Known for telling truths.

Also, when you count ALL taxes paid (payroll deductions for medicare, social security, property taxes, sales taxes, etc.) it's always been true that the majority of taxes are already paid by the middle class because there's SO MANY OF THEM.

So telling us that the middle class will pay the most means nothing because they already are. Plus most people have no idea how much they and their employer pay for health care, so it's impossible to get them to understand that this additional cost would be INSTEAD of current costs instead of ON TOP OF current costs.

mediaho		2012-07-02 10:52:50 AM

Is this where we liberals have to explain "personal responsibility" to the so-called conservatives?

Philip Francis Queeg		2012-07-02 10:52:51 AM

Hobodeluxe		2012-07-02 10:54:05 AM

geek_mars: They say, "...nearly 75% of Obamacare costs will fall on the backs of those Americans making less than $120,000 a year," and then they have a graphic that states/shows that by 2016, 4 million Americans will penalty/tax and that 75% make less than 120k a year.

well gee that makes sense because 90% of Americans make less than 120k/yr
and 4 million in 2016 is like 1% of the population.
and a lot of those will fall into the expanded medicaid category or get their penalty will be lessened by their low income.

so the greatest tax in history is at most 2.5% on a whopping .25% of the population

Dog Welder		2012-07-02 10:54:09 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle:

It's like some absurd circus act. In the ten years I've been paying attention to politics I've never seen the GOP so helpless and flailing. I think hearing that ruling must have given Rove a concussion or something, because the republican response has just been complete gibberish. They really are just wandering completely in the dark in this.

I think this may well be the issue when their blizzard of lies strategy finally turns around and leaves them completely blind because I don't think there's any direction they can turn on this that doesn't result in them running straight into a huge wall of blatant hypocrisy.

I've been a Republican since 1987, and I've never seen the GOP in a frenzy like this. They have a plan that they were all for, which got enacted by their current Presidential Candidate in Massachusetts, then bogarted by the Democrats and enacted federally. They can't complain about this without their current hopes for the White House being caught up in the poo-flinging.

And the beautiful thing is that these fundamentalist, obstructionist nitwits are so gung-ho to get Obama out of the White House, that they flinging the poo. The problem they're having is that they're throwing the poo into a super powerful fan that's turned back on them, and they're being covered in it.

If you're a foreigner following all of this silliness, or simply someone who likes watching politics, this has to be mind-boggling.

See also: the GOP reaction to Osama Bin Laden's death.

doyner		2012-07-02 10:55:00 AM

bdub77		2012-07-02 10:56:03 AM

From wikipedia:

Stephen Moore (born February 16, 1960) is an American economic writer and policy analyst who founded and served as president of the Club for Growth from 1999 to 2004.

The Club for Growth is a politically conservative 527 organization active in the United States of America, with an agenda focused on taxation and other economic issues, and with an affiliated political action committee (PAC). The Club advocates lower taxes, limited government, less government spending, free trade, and economic liberalism (libertarianism). Its PAC endorses and raises money for conservative candidates.

The Club invented the "RINO Watch" list - RINO being a pejorative acronym for Republican In Name Only - to monitor what it describes as "Republican office holders around the nation who have advanced egregious anti-growth, anti-freedom or anti-free market policies." The list has focused on Republicans who voted against tax changes and budget cuts supported by the Club.

In addition, the Club for Growth also makes independent expenditures to pressure certain moderate Republicans to vote more conservatively (e.g. running ads against Senators George Voinovich of Ohio, Olympia Snowe of Maine, and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island after these Senators objected to certain aspects of President Bush's tax cuts).

Moore is currently a member of the Wall Street Journal editorial board and frequently opines on the pages of their op-ed section. Moore is known for advocating free-market policies and supply-side economics.

He is currently a partner in the econometrics firm Arduin, Laffer & Moore Econometrics. He also writes for the National Review. So basically the guy is a Republican supply-side economics shill with ties to conservative PACs. Chief economist my ass.

physt		2012-07-02 10:56:09 AM

Truncks1		2012-07-02 10:56:24 AM

Sgt Stubby: When I see liberals marching and chanting (or belly dancing or whatever) for ObamaCare, I have to wonder... why?

I know that the liberals of Fark.com are the most intelligent people on earth, so I pose this question to their collective brilliance: If Obama 'gave you healthcare', as you claim, what do you now have that you didn't have before? I mean, ObamaCare is nothing more than a new tax on you if you can't afford insurance, along with a slew of new rules that make insurance more expensive.

How is that 'giving you healthcare'?

If you can't afford insurance, you get a rebate or will qualify for the expanded medicaid. My brother will already benefit from Obamacare by being covered by my parents' health insurance until he is 26 or can find insurance himself. And I will benefit from preexisting conditions slowly being eliminated.

"Slew of new rules to make insurance more expensive" - And a slew of new rules to make insurance cheaper, such as more people being in the insurance pool and freeloaders getting taxed if they didn't buy insurance.

How about a real discussion about pros and cons instead of parroting rhetoric?

Headso		2012-07-02 10:57:08 AM

Bloody William: I love how conservatives are still trying to get this "NEW TAX!" thing to work,

Not to mention for people who already have insurance it isn't anything.

Infernalist		2012-07-02 10:58:32 AM

Truncks1: Sgt Stubby: When I see liberals marching and chanting (or belly dancing or whatever) for ObamaCare, I have to wonder... why?

I know that the liberals of Fark.com are the most intelligent people on earth, so I pose this question to their collective brilliance: If Obama 'gave you healthcare', as you claim, what do you now have that you didn't have before? I mean, ObamaCare is nothing more than a new tax on you if you can't afford insurance, along with a slew of new rules that make insurance more expensive.

How is that 'giving you healthcare'?

If you can't afford insurance, you get a rebate or will qualify for the expanded medicaid. My brother will already benefit from Obamacare by being covered by my parents' health insurance until he is 26 or can find insurance himself. And I will benefit from preexisting conditions slowly being eliminated.

"Slew of new rules to make insurance more expensive" - And a slew of new rules to make insurance cheaper, such as more people being in the insurance pool and freeloaders getting taxed if they didn't buy insurance.

How about a real discussion about pros and cons instead of parroting rhetoric?

They don't 'want' a debate, they just want page hits.

Jackpot777		2012-07-02 10:59:14 AM

Sgt Stubby: When I see liberals marching and chanting (or belly dancing or whatever) for ObamaCare, I have to wonder... why?

pixel.nymag.com

The West Virginia Belly Dancers for Single Payer gyrated outside of the Supreme Court this morning in opposition to Obamacare, the destruction of which, they hope, will lead to Congress enacting a single-payer (that single payer being the federal government) health-care system...

1 - you're a dumbass that wouldn't know nuance if "Nuance" was the name of the trucker that sucked you off at a rest stop.

2 - there is no #2.

cchris_39		2012-07-02 11:00:34 AM

Weaver95: sooo...the people who will be using that system the most, will be paying for it and...this is a bad thing?

It's good thing.

It will come as a major shock to Democrat constituents, but it's a good thing.

Empty Matchbook		2012-07-02 11:01:43 AM

Aarontology: I don't think anyone actually thought that.

That man over there did. The one made out of straw.

Infernalist		2012-07-02 11:02:24 AM

cchris_39: Weaver95: sooo...the people who will be using that system the most, will be paying for it and...this is a bad thing?

It's good thing.

It will come as a major shock to Democrat constituents, but it's a good thing.

Hate to break it to you, sparky, but there's only one political party that has labeled taxes as an evil thing, and it's not the Democrats.

unexplained bacon		2012-07-02 11:02:33 AM

beta_plus: But I was assured that Obamacare would make a healthcare free! The writer of the article is just racist.

No you weren't
But I guess if you got nuthin you need to make stuff like this up

Honestly the GOP farkers seem to be without an actual argument here.

machodonkeywrestler		2012-07-02 11:03:50 AM

Citrate1007		2012-07-02 11:04:07 AM

make me some tea: Aarontology: I don't think anyone actually thought that.

That's what conservatives think that liberals think.

There are usually errors in logic and horrible consequences when this happens.

Stoker		2012-07-02 11:04:22 AM

WSJ, from Gateway Pundit, from Fox News.
Couldn't you just found this at Fox? And although the story sounds about like you would expect (who's really paying for it) it came from Fox News. So can I really believe it?

And although someone cried for the insurance companies when I last threw this out, I believe this is true. The insurance companies just picked up millions of new healthy customers (besides the others they would rather not carry). They didn't have to pay any salesmen (just those members of Congress) to get the sale.

Suddenly all those health insurance sales people are going to get a pay reduction since they are not really needed to sell anymore, they are just paper-pushers now.

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I just wonder how this is going to affect the "price reductions" between the hospitals and the insurance companies.
Will the market work it's self out?

Bloody William		2012-07-02 11:04:54 AM

Infernalist: Hate to break it to you, sparky, but there's only one political party that has labeled taxes as an evil thing, and it's not the Democrats.

They really have no comprehension that outside of their political circles taxes are not the worst thing ever and that amicable exchanges could be made where higher taxes are preferable if we see benefit from them.

erveek		2012-07-02 11:05:04 AM

EyeballKid: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Labeling a Gateway Pundit Link as "Some Wall Street Journal Guy"? That's some might trollin', Louadmin.

What, was subby just supposed to say "that tired hack pundit from the Wall Street Journal who can't even keep a straight face while reciting the same pro-Friedman bullshiat he's been parroting for some 20 years, but wears a bowtie and glasses so you know he's smart?"

If subby were honest, it would say "some sucky blog."

If adminny were honest, it would be red.

If Drew meant what he said in his book, adminny would be gone.

Sgt Stubby		2012-07-02 11:05:24 AM

No, doyner, I have never been denied coverage for a pre-existing condition. Similarly, I have never wrecked a car and then suddenly decided I needed to buy insurance and demand that they fix it or give me a new one. But if you tell insurance companies that they must cover you even though you didn't have insurance, that simply jacks up the premiums for everyone else. Most employed liberals don't care because they'll just sneer, "I already have insurance at my job, so I don't care." That's because they really don't care.

But for the self-employed or the unemployed, this new punishment tax (along with skyrocketing premiums) is a crushing burden. Of course, liberals don't care. They'll just keep chanting, 'Obama gave me healthcare!' Of course, employers can only sustain so many attacks from the government before they just stop offering coverage at all.

But the ones who will get screwed are supposedly Obama's biggest supporters. Wait'll they learn the truth...

trotsky		2012-07-02 11:05:56 AM

Sgt Stubby: When I see liberals marching and chanting (or belly dancing or whatever) for ObamaCare, I have to wonder... why?

I know that the liberals of Fark.com are the most intelligent people on earth, so I pose this question to their collective brilliance: If Obama 'gave you healthcare', as you claim, what do you now have that you didn't have before? I mean, ObamaCare is nothing more than a new tax on you if you can't afford insurance, along with a slew of new rules that make insurance more expensive.

How is that 'giving you healthcare'?

Hi, you must be new here. Whenever I see a new Farker drone on about "Liberals" I generally get the idea that they're either being paid by the word (your post wasn't very long though) or a real moron who believes the spew that comes out of their mouths.

So, welcome! I look forward to people proving you a narrow-minded idiot again and again!

/Love, trotsky.

EyeballKid		2012-07-02 11:06:46 AM

Sgt Stubby: Wait'll they learn the truth...

You're an internet dentist?

KhanAidan		2012-07-02 11:08:00 AM

bdub77: He is currently a partner in the econometrics firm Arduin, Laffer & Moore Econometrics. He also writes for the National Review. So basically the guy is a Republican supply-side economics shill with ties to conservative PACs. Chief economist my ass.

Ugh. If ever there was a "I'm with stupid sign." that would be it right there.

doyner		2012-07-02 11:08:02 AM

Sgt Stubby: No, doyner, I have never been denied coverage for a pre-existing condition. Similarly, I have never wrecked a car and then suddenly decided I needed to buy insurance and demand that they fix it or give me a new one. But if you tell insurance companies that they must cover you even though you didn't have insurance, that simply jacks up the premiums for everyone else. Most employed liberals don't care because they'll just sneer, "I already have insurance at my job, so I don't care." That's because they really don't care.

But for the self-employed or the unemployed, this new punishment tax (along with skyrocketing premiums) is a crushing burden. Of course, liberals don't care. They'll just keep chanting, 'Obama gave me healthcare!' Of course, employers can only sustain so many attacks from the government before they just stop offering coverage at all.

But the ones who will get screwed are supposedly Obama's biggest supporters. Wait'll they learn the truth...

I'm glad that we agree that we need a single-payer system.