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2012-07-02 06:19:06 PM  

Derwood: Except the SMU scandal was 100% about football players, while the PSU scandal was 0% about the football players.

Otherwise, apt analogy


except that the smu scandal was 100% about the power of football program and its unwillingness to stop "questionable" activities, while the psu scandal was 100% about the power of football program and its unwillingness to stop farking horrible activities.

when something grows too powerful, you need to knock it down a peg or twenty. the program was way too farking powerful. the death penalty would solve that.

/i realize that it's outside of ncaa's purview, but that doesn't mean the death penalty isn't what psu deserves.
 
2012-07-02 06:19:11 PM  

consider this: Has a team ever been kicked out of a conference? That's what the Big 10 should be considering right now.


Damn right.

/WI alumnus
 
2012-07-02 06:27:32 PM  

FinFangFark: A Fark Handle: Bull Schmitt: TheManofPA: Who is calling Harrison Ford's agent right now?

[mcadams.posc.mu.edu image 320x231]

Can you believe this Don? I'm still working, just got rave reviews for "Hatfields & McCoys", and they want to replace me with Harrison Farkin' Ford??

/It's a conspiracy

i would lean costner too. and while we're at it, let's put the whole band back together and have olive stone direct. we just need a title. tickle monster? nah. touched? nah. keep farking that chicken: the penn state reign of terror? hmm maybe. i think we can get there.

/the title makes all the difference

Hit The Showers: The Penn State Scandal


I stand that his own biography still works: Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story
 
2012-07-02 06:30:20 PM  
There were reports for years that Second Mile pimped out kids to big PSU donors. Can't wait till that hits the fan too,
 
2012-07-02 06:31:50 PM  

drivingsouth: There were reports for years that Second Mile pimped out kids to big PSU donors. Can't wait till that hits the fan too,


A couple of people were searching for that last major thread. Mark Madden was the one who brought it up as a big rumor (he'd mentioned the Sandusky rumors in advance). That would definitely be a huge conspiracy if you look at the names of those involved with 2nd Mile
 
2012-07-02 06:40:18 PM  

TheManofPA: drivingsouth: There were reports for years that Second Mile pimped out kids to big PSU donors. Can't wait till that hits the fan too,

A couple of people were searching for that last major thread. Mark Madden was the one who brought it up as a big rumor (he'd mentioned the Sandusky rumors in advance). That would definitely be a huge conspiracy if you look at the names of those involved with 2nd Mile


Yeah, Madden re-reported it last spring but I remember that woman from the Harrisburg paper reporting too. Like a few years ago? And I thought that was one of those things that's been an open secret as well.
 
2012-07-02 06:40:49 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: As a Big Ten school alum (Purdue), I'd like to see Penn State completely shut down their football program voluntarily, or get the hell out of the conference. I know that athletics has nothing to do with the rest of the University, which is why I don't want to punish the academic side for the crimes of a few assholes who thought money and winning was more important than justice. They can keep the other sports, just not football.


I want them out of the Big Ten completely. The main reason they were invited in was football, and the main reason for football was Paterno and Sandusky. Since all this was built on fraud and crime, I say kick them out and vacate all their conference wins.

Some sins are unforgivable. Enabling child rape is one of those, its like you murdered the victim then let him live. Rape is all about power over the victim, right? Remove all power of the rotten, criminal-enabling culture of Penn State football forever.
 
2012-07-02 06:44:16 PM  

drivingsouth: TheManofPA: drivingsouth: There were reports for years that Second Mile pimped out kids to big PSU donors. Can't wait till that hits the fan too,

A couple of people were searching for that last major thread. Mark Madden was the one who brought it up as a big rumor (he'd mentioned the Sandusky rumors in advance). That would definitely be a huge conspiracy if you look at the names of those involved with 2nd Mile

Yeah, Madden re-reported it last spring but I remember that woman from the Harrisburg paper reporting too. Like a few years ago? And I thought that was one of those things that's been an open secret as well.


If this stuff were remotely true, I'd expect to see a mob with pitchforks and torches descend upon Once Happy Valley.
 
rka
2012-07-02 07:28:20 PM  

Gosling: Derwood: Thus the only logical thing to do is punish all the people who had nothing to do with any of this. If you shut down the school, erase the football program and burn down the stadium, all of the victims will become un-raped

Well, then, fark. Why punish any college sports program for anything? Ever? College athletes make the perfect human shields! 'No! Don't punish that corrupt-to-the-core football program! You'll hit the kids! Why are you in favor of hurting kids! YOU MONSTER!'

When SMU got the death penalty, every student on the roster at the time was allowed to immediately transfer to any other college that would have them without having to so much as sit out a season. (And colleges would have them. Many of them were waiting out in the parking lot right after the death-penalty announcement was made.) I'd have to assume a Penn State death penalty would include the same provision.


Oh, but he wasn't talking about the players. The true victims are the alumni. How can they be expected to go through the year with no football and no out-of-touch kiddie-raping enabler to idolize? Won't someone think of the Kappa Sig Class of 96'?
 
2012-07-02 07:43:43 PM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: That was all Paterno.

Let's look at this logically. If you've been with a company for 60 years and are beloved by everyone, and the President of the company comes to you one day and says. "One of the employees that reports to you has been stealing money from the company for years and it will hurt us publicly when this comes out. What do you think we should do?" Now you know that this looks terrible for you, since it's your section and this person has been working with you for years and you have personal relationship with this person. So you say, "Yes, something should be done, but please be as kind as you can to him." So the President of the company, after listening to you decides he'll just fire the guy rather than press charges and hurt the company."

Now ten years later, the books are wrong and the company is in trouble. The President says that you are to blame for this because everyone liked you and they didn't want to damage your image. So are the company's problems your fault for being beloved, or the President's fault for not doing his job and reporting the crime?


A) This is a terrible analogy, but that has been addressed by others so I will not elaborate.
B) Your apologetics for the deceased pedophile enabler make me physically ill. Your beloved JoePa's legacy is one of pure moral bankruptcy, and if you fail to see that it suggests that you are no better than he was. Penn State is hated these days, and not because of Sandusky. It is hated because the student body rioted in defense of a pedophile coverup and because people like you continue to defend it. That might not be the way you look at it, but from here in the real world it's pretty clear that that is what you are doing. You want people to change their minds and decide that Penn State is great after all? Step one is getting back in touch with reality. Sometimes your heroes fail you, and sometimes they fail so miserably that the only decent and honorable thing to do is to reject them utterly. Some moral failures are so enormous that there is no getting over them, and everything else you may accomplish is as nothing in their shadow. "You fark one goat..."
 
2012-07-02 07:44:53 PM  

Generation_D: Passive Aggressive Larry: As a Big Ten school alum (Purdue), I'd like to see Penn State completely shut down their football program voluntarily, or get the hell out of the conference. I know that athletics has nothing to do with the rest of the University, which is why I don't want to punish the academic side for the crimes of a few assholes who thought money and winning was more important than justice. They can keep the other sports, just not football.

I want them out of the Big Ten completely. The main reason they were invited in was football, and the main reason for football was Paterno and Sandusky. Since all this was built on fraud and crime, I say kick them out and vacate all their conference wins.

Some sins are unforgivable. Enabling child rape is one of those, its like you murdered the victim then let him live. Rape is all about power over the victim, right? Remove all power of the rotten, criminal-enabling culture of Penn State football forever.


Well, if their presence in the conference attaches a negative connotation to the entire Big Ten, then get rid of them. There is a lot of pride attached to going to a Big Ten school, and a degree from one of the universities carries a lot of respect, from what I've seen. I don't want Penn State tarnishing that. And I guess if this cover-up stretches beyond their athletics department, then removing them is definitely something to consider. I doubt it will ever happen of course, I'm sure there are contracts and things in the way. They have a lot of work to do to win back the trust and respect of the public, and the rest of the Big Ten. I just feel bad for those students there. They can't tell anyone that they go to Penn State and feel proud of it, or not have the other person judge them unfairly.

And my god, the taunting that is going to come their way at sporting events, everywhere, for the next several decades....
 
2012-07-02 07:52:28 PM  
In case you were wondering, here's the Pedobear Tour schedule for 2012:
09/08/12 at Virginia
09/29/12 at Illinois
10/20/12 at Iowa
11/03/12 at Purdue
11/10/12 at Nebraska
 
2012-07-02 08:09:22 PM  
I'm surprised Gary Schultz simply didn't say "The only humane thing to do would be to put these kids down".

/I don't mean "insult them".
 
2012-07-02 08:24:11 PM  

WTF Indeed: MugzyBrown: Nobody was Paterno's boss.

What people think Paterno was at PSU:

"He ran the day-to-day operations of the college. He had no equal, and was less a coach and more a middle eastern dictator."

What Paterno actually was at PSU:

"An old guy who made speeches at pep rallies, stood on the sidelines, and traveled around Pennsylvania recruiting players."


So you're OK with vacating his credit for all the wins after 1998 and letting Bowden have the record.

If all he was was a recruiter he doesn't deserve credit for those wins. Those are for the head coach, not the head booster.
 
2012-07-02 08:32:59 PM  

rjakobi: Aarontology: They need to shut down the entire football program indefinitely.

Give the guys already on the team who have athletic scholarships the option to continue their education at Penn State for free, or help them find another university to play for.

Two things.

First, if the NCAA didn't think it proper to shut down Miami's football program despite rogue boosters and hookers and spoiling their college athletes with favors, what makes you think they're gonna shut down Penn State with their coach having a boy service on the side unaffiliated with the football program?

Second, were you molested by football players in high school?


Your comparing raping boys to hookers? What happened, did your wife start working the streets? Nevermind, I saw her throat deep behind a garbage bin...sorry to wake up that demon!
 
2012-07-02 09:16:58 PM  

PowerSlacker: In case you were wondering, here's the Pedobear Tour schedule for 2012:
09/08/12 at Virginia
09/29/12 at Illinois
10/20/12 at Iowa
11/03/12 at Purdue
11/10/12 at Nebraska


Hide the kids! One PSU bastard will rape the shiat into them and the rest will hold up a curtain aroun\d them.
 
2012-07-02 09:50:12 PM  

A Fark Handle: AnnoyingKidNextDoor: I always thought Sandusky would be the best title. I'm liking the cast, perhaps add Kurtwood Smith as JoePa, Tom Hanks as McQueery and Gilbert Gottfried as Sandusky's attorney.

so who plays sandusky? or is it best to leave him off-screen/filmed from the back, since this film is more about the cover-up. i guess that's something we can leave up to oliver.


I was leaving that casting up to Oliver, although Tony Shaloub might make a good choice.
 
2012-07-02 10:00:38 PM  

SharkTrager: WTF Indeed: MugzyBrown: Nobody was Paterno's boss.

What people think Paterno was at PSU:

"He ran the day-to-day operations of the college. He had no equal, and was less a coach and more a middle eastern dictator."

What Paterno actually was at PSU:

"An old guy who made speeches at pep rallies, stood on the sidelines, and traveled around Pennsylvania recruiting players."

So you're OK with vacating his credit for all the wins after 1998 and letting Bowden have the record.

If all he was was a recruiter he doesn't deserve credit for those wins. Those are for the head coach, not the head booster.


And considering he was actively keeping the university from properly investigating criminal incidents involving his players as recently as 2007, the idea that he was anything more than a figure head is deeply flawed.
 
2012-07-02 10:18:25 PM  
I bet all of the Miami players that walked out of the banquet before the Fiesta Bowl are pretty happy that they didn't have to eat dinner in the same room as Sandusky and Paterno.
 
2012-07-02 10:34:20 PM  

kdawg7736: jekostas: kdawg7736:
Call me stupid if you want, but I don't trust a whole lot from major media outlets, like CNN, since they don't even show half the story most of the time.

The e-mails were released by Penn state and have already been widely reported on many different sites, and the authenticity of said e-mails has been established.

So yes, you're stupid.

Just wondering, do you have a college degree?


Yes. Business.

Your alma mater was involved in some dirty, dirty shiat. Get over it.

If my alma mater had been involved in anything this awful I'd probably be thinking of ways to burn it down.

/let's just get that straw man out of the way now
 
2012-07-02 10:36:08 PM  

UNC_Samurai: And considering he was actively keeping the university from properly investigating criminal incidents involving his players as recently as 2007, the idea that he was anything more than a figure head is deeply flawed.


FTFY.

Obviously he was more than a figure head. A figure head doesn't tell the AD he's going to protect the football program by covering things up and allowing the child raper to carry on with what they were doing.

On a side note... forgetting all the rumors that had to be swirling around Penn State since the early 90s about Sandusky, WTF were all these people doing associated with Sandusky and his local NAMBLA chapter Second Mile charity? Any sane person exercising the minutest amount of common sense would see the bad idea here, and get as far as they could from it (even if it was just rumors, which we know it wasn't by 2001, when they had material evidence the rumors were true).
 
2012-07-02 10:37:41 PM  
Penn State Pride! Harder to kill than a Sandusky boner.
 
2012-07-02 11:36:03 PM  

jekostas: kdawg7736: jekostas: kdawg7736:
Call me stupid if you want, but I don't trust a whole lot from major media outlets, like CNN, since they don't even show half the story most of the time.

The e-mails were released by Penn state and have already been widely reported on many different sites, and the authenticity of said e-mails has been established.

So yes, you're stupid.

Just wondering, do you have a college degree?

Yes. Business.

Your alma mater was involved in some dirty, dirty shiat. Get over it.

If my alma mater had been involved in anything this awful I'd probably be thinking of ways to burn it down.

/let's just get that straw man out of the way now


Agribusiness Management here.

I am getting better over he shock, knowing how Americans tend to have bad short-term memory, this will blow over in a couple of years or so. Every scandal does.
 
2012-07-03 12:03:20 AM  

LesserEvil: UNC_Samurai: And considering he was actively keeping the university from properly investigating criminal incidents involving his players as recently as 2007, the idea that he was anything more than a figure head is deeply flawed.

FTFY.

Obviously he was more than a figure head. A figure head doesn't tell the AD he's going to protect the football program by covering things up and allowing the child raper to carry on with what they were doing.

On a side note... forgetting all the rumors that had to be swirling around Penn State since the early 90s about Sandusky, WTF were all these people doing associated with Sandusky and his local NAMBLA chapter Second Mile charity? Any sane person exercising the minutest amount of common sense would see the bad idea here, and get as far as they could from it (even if it was just rumors, which we know it wasn't by 2001, when they had material evidence the rumors were true).


Whoops, I messed that sentence up bigtime. But read my earlier posts and you can see what I was discussing.

And we still haven't heard a follow-up on potential criminal activity inside Second Mile. The guy who broke the Sandusky story mentioned it a few months ago...I guess there wasn't anything really there (or we'll find some things out when these guys get hauled into court).
 
2012-07-03 12:07:44 AM  

UNC_Samurai: SharkTrager: WTF Indeed: MugzyBrown: Nobody was Paterno's boss.

What people think Paterno was at PSU:

"He ran the day-to-day operations of the college. He had no equal, and was less a coach and more a middle eastern dictator."

What Paterno actually was at PSU:

"An old guy who made speeches at pep rallies, stood on the sidelines, and traveled around Pennsylvania recruiting players."

So you're OK with vacating his credit for all the wins after 1998 and letting Bowden have the record.

If all he was was a recruiter he doesn't deserve credit for those wins. Those are for the head coach, not the head booster.

And considering he was actively keeping the university from properly investigating criminal incidents involving his players as recently as 2007, the idea that he was anything more than a figure head is deeply flawed.


Oh, I agree with you.

When it comes to that record he was the head coach at Penn State. But somehow when it comes to Sandusky he was a figurehead there to raise money and wasn't even really calling the shots for the football team.

They want it both ways.
 
2012-07-03 12:13:37 AM  
It feels really, really good to have been on the right side of this thing all along.

College football is irredeemably creepy until something of some consequence happens to Pennsylvania State University, both the school and the goddamned football program. If nothing happens to either then it confirms my suspicions that BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL fans don't care about this, they just want to see their rivalries and touchdowns and big hits and Lee Corso.

Pretty disgusting, huh?
 
2012-07-03 12:25:10 AM  

Meatschool: Count me as one of the minority then.. I'm an alumnus and while I figured Schulze, Curley, and Spanier were dirty, I thought JoePa had just made a grave error in his moral judgement. If this article is reporting the emails correctly and this stuff turns out to be true, then fark Joe too. I hope these bastards burn. I'm not one of these freaky Central PA types that worship the school, but I always felt a fair amount of pride about it. Now... the actions (or inaction) of these jackasses has brought down a great institution, and then even worse, allowed that infected asswhisker Sandusky to continue raping little boys...

It just disgusts me to think that I lived on that campus at the time this was all taking place. Something about Spanier at the time always seemed a little sketchy... I guess now I know why.


Alum here too ('03) and I agree with this 100%. What a disgrace.
 
2012-07-03 12:33:48 AM  

MugzyBrown: 1) Paterno is not just an old employee, he is the head of the football program, the most powerful person on campus and one of the most powerful people in the state.


Repeating that isn't going to eventually make it true.
 
2012-07-03 12:46:02 AM  

AmberDempsey: Meatschool: Count me as one of the minority then.. I'm an alumnus and while I figured Schulze, Curley, and Spanier were dirty, I thought JoePa had just made a grave error in his moral judgement. If this article is reporting the emails correctly and this stuff turns out to be true, then fark Joe too. I hope these bastards burn. I'm not one of these freaky Central PA types that worship the school, but I always felt a fair amount of pride about it. Now... the actions (or inaction) of these jackasses has brought down a great institution, and then even worse, allowed that infected asswhisker Sandusky to continue raping little boys...

It just disgusts me to think that I lived on that campus at the time this was all taking place. Something about Spanier at the time always seemed a little sketchy... I guess now I know why.

Alum here too ('03) and I agree with this 100%. What a disgrace.


Alum here as well ('09), I hope we recover from this scandal, at least I was off-campus.
 
2012-07-03 01:01:35 AM  

GoldSpider: MugzyBrown: 1) Paterno is not just an old employee, he is the head of the football program, the most powerful person on campus and one of the most powerful people in the state.

Repeating that isn't going to eventually make it true.


S'funny, did you actually read the article?

Because it seems like the administration was all set to inform Child Welfare.... right up until JoePa intervened.

Repeating it didn't make it true, it's the actions of all the people involved that made it true.
 
2012-07-03 01:06:46 AM  

GoldSpider: MugzyBrown: 1) Paterno is not just an old employee, he is the head of the football program, the most powerful person on campus and one of the most powerful people in the state.

Repeating that isn't going to eventually make it true.


White knighting for Joe Pa! AWWWWW YEAAAAA
 
2012-07-03 03:27:48 AM  

kdawg7736: I am getting better over he shock, knowing how Americans tend to have bad short-term memory, this will blow over in a couple of years or so. Every scandal does.


You realize of course, that every frat guy retard going to games when your team is in town is going to make references to this for years and years to come, right? It's easy, low hanging fruit. And better yet, the longer it's been since the scandal, the more it's going to bug the Penn State fans and teams. 30 years from now a Penn State athletics bus will roll onto a rival campus, and there will probably be a group of people waiting outside the stadium with "Welcome to (insert University), child molesters," signs for them to see.

Repairing the reputation with the general public will probably only take a few years, because people will forget and most are rational about this being a part of their past that everybody there had nothing to do with. But come on, you expect sports fans to forget about something like this so quickly?
 
2012-07-03 09:23:44 AM  

kdawg7736: I am getting better over he shock,


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-03 10:42:33 AM  
How can you NOT penalize a school and a football program that has allowed for & enabled the rape of children?

"But pedophilia isn't against NCAA rules!"

/"Keep Quiet and Don't Tell Anyone"
 
2012-07-03 11:05:40 AM  

Babwa Wawa: kdawg7736: I am getting better over he shock,

[i.imgur.com image 267x345]


I meant "over the shock". LOL.
 
2012-07-03 11:45:03 AM  

legion_of_doo: How can you NOT penalize a school and a football program that has allowed for & enabled the rape of children?

"But pedophilia isn't against NCAA rules!"

/"Keep Quiet and Don't Tell Anyone"


When the goverment body responsible for prosecuting those crimes has been commiting worse crimes and covering them up across the globe.
 
rka
2012-07-03 11:55:34 AM  

kdawg7736: jekostas: kdawg7736: jekostas: kdawg7736:
Call me stupid if you want, but I don't trust a whole lot from major media outlets, like CNN, since they don't even show half the story most of the time.

The e-mails were released by Penn state and have already been widely reported on many different sites, and the authenticity of said e-mails has been established.

So yes, you're stupid.

Just wondering, do you have a college degree?

Yes. Business.

Your alma mater was involved in some dirty, dirty shiat. Get over it.

If my alma mater had been involved in anything this awful I'd probably be thinking of ways to burn it down.

/let's just get that straw man out of the way now

Agribusiness Management here.

I am getting better over he shock, knowing how Americans tend to have bad short-term memory, this will blow over in a couple of years or so. Every scandal does.


Many people still think there was a rash of child molestation going on at day-care facilities based on stories back in the 80s.

I think you underestimate the power of the media to whip people into a frenzy...especially when it comes to child abuse.
 
2012-07-03 02:27:34 PM  
Oh, and for all those folks still holding on to that last glimmer of hope...

The e-mails in question are part of the Freeh report.
 
2012-07-04 08:23:45 AM  

flynn80: legion_of_doo: How can you NOT penalize a school and a football program that has allowed for & enabled the rape of children?

"But pedophilia isn't against NCAA rules!"

/"Keep Quiet and Don't Tell Anyone"

When the goverment body responsible for prosecuting those crimes has been commiting worse crimes and covering them up across the globe.


What does that have to do with the NCAA and why they shouldn't punish the football program?
 
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