Twitch Boy: If I'm a current student, I'd be transferring out in a heartbeat. I'd probably go to Ann Arbor out of spite.

Spite for the school, or spite for whoever's paying your tuition?

PSU isn't anywhere near as cheap as it used to be, but in state tuition is still a hell of a lot less than going out of state or to a private school.

I FARKING TOLD YOU IT WAS A COVER UP! to quote myself from last november (ok, so i got the year wrong, but still):

in 1998 the police were called by the parent of a boy. this started an investigation. which started the need for the cover-up. sandusky plays the "oop, my bad. it was a mistake. i won't do it again" card. joepa tell the police to "take it easy, this is my national title winning defensive coordinator, i know the man, this has to be a mistake, we'll handle this." however, joepa is a little disturbed by the whole incident. i mean, he was showering with a boy, what the fark is that shiat. joepa realizes that he can't let sandusky became the next head coach of penn state. he sits him down and says "look you farked up. it's over, but just retire and be cool. no more fark ups too." sandusky fearful of being exposed takes the deal. of course being a predator sandusky can't stop. now just like when a booster pays a recruit/player and thinks he owns them, but in reality the recruit/player has the upper hand since exposing the illicit deal would bring down the booster, that's the situation joepa and the ad found themselves in. they thought they were helping a friend, but once sandusky raped again they realized that if the truth about 1998 came out it would destroy them and the program as well as sandusky. because they would have allow a predator to go free and additional boys to become victims. then into the shower walks mcqueary...and a new cover-up partner is needed. unfortunately when a new investigation initiated by a high school that did the right think and called the cops started mcqueary didn't keep up the lie. and that's what actually happened

bartink: Death penalty time.

yep. if you use the power of the football program to cover-up decades of kiddy-rape, it's time to make the football program just a little less powerful. and the death penalty is just great for that.

/fark 'em all (oh wait, that's penn state's former saying about little boys)

bubbaprog: cettin: I am an alumnus and I say they can all burn in hell, throw the book at every single one of them.

You're in the minority. Most Penn State fans are in denial, claiming CNN is making everything up and that Paterno is completely innocent.

No he is not. You are wrong.

/Alumnus

At least we know that Paterno is still untainted by this whole thing. There's no evidence whatsoever to show that he covered anything up. Right?

In an alleged e-mail dated February 26, 2001, Schultz writes to Curley that he assumes Curley's "got the ball" about a three-part plan to "talk with the subject asap regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility," ... "contacting the chair of the charitable organization" and "contacting the Department of Welfare," according to a source with knowledge of the case.

(The "subject" is Sandusky and his Second Mile charity is the "charitable organization," according to a source with knowledge of the e-mails. Pennsylvania law requires suspected child abuse be reported to outside authorities, including the state's child welfare agencies).

But then, something changes.

The next evening, February 27, Curley allegedly writes to Spanier; Schultz, who's out of the office for two weeks, is copied.

Curley refers to a meeting scheduled that day with Spanier and indicates they apparently discussed the Sandusky incident two days earlier.

Curley indicates he no longer wants to contact child welfare authorities just yet. He refers to a conversation the day before with Paterno. It's not known what Paterno may have said to Curley.

Curley allegedly writes: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."

Oh.

Never mind.

/melt down the statue

UNC_Samurai: WTF Indeed: Joe: "Ummm....you guys realize I'm just the football coach and it's your job to take of things like this?"

I can't buy this argument, because as recently as 2007 Paterno was actively making sure players weren't disciplined by campus police.

And this is not the only instance of this. In an Aug. 12, 2005, email to Pennsylvania State University President Graham Spanier and others, Vicky Triponey, the university's standards and conduct officer, complained that Mr. Paterno believed she should have "no interest, (or business) holding our football players accountable to our community standards. The Coach is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players...and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern...and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard."

I have to believe Paterno knew exactly what he was doing.

PSU fans ignore this and thought he was a saint.

No, people. Penn State can't get the death penalty. The lack of a football program might hurt businesses in State College, PA.

WTF Indeed: MugzyBrown: Nobody was Paterno's boss.

What people think Paterno was at PSU:

"He ran the day-to-day operations of the college. He had no equal, and was less a coach and more a middle eastern dictator."

What Paterno actually was at PSU:

"An old guy who made speeches at pep rallies, stood on the sidelines, and traveled around Pennsylvania recruiting players."

Right. He had no power whatsoever. He couldn't overrule administrators, or hand-pick his supervisors...

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A former Penn State official charged with enforcing discipline at the school said Tuesday that Joe Paterno's players got in trouble more often than other students, and got special treatment compared to non-athletes.

Vicky Triponey, who resigned her post as the university's standards and conduct officer in 2007, confirmed that she sent a 2005 email to then-president Graham Spanier and others in which she expressed her concerns about how Penn State handled discipline cases involving football players. The Wall Street Journal published excerpts from the email on Tuesday.

Paterno "is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players ... and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern ... and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard," Triponey wrote in the Aug. 12, 2005, email.

"Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public when a football player is found responsible for committing a serious violation of the law and/or our student code," she wrote, "despite any moral or legal obligation to do so."
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She told the AP that pressure to go easier on football players increased as her tenure went on.

"Many times, (because of) the pressure placed on us by the president or the football coach, eventually, we would end up doing sanctions that were not what another student would've got," she said. "It was much less. It was adapted to try to accommodate the concerns of the coach."

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Among many of his peers, Paterno is respected, admired, even beloved. His Penn State program was a model for academic achievement and NCAA compliance. But he also has been known to treat Penn State and even conference administrators with a strong verbal disdain at times. And never has he been afraid to use his considerable clout.

According to those who were directly involved in the interview process, it was Paterno who chose Tim Curley to become PSU's athletic director in 1993.

"Joe wanted to pick his man and Joe did," says a person with firsthand knowledge of the interviews.

Paterno had equity at Penn State, the kind of equity that gave him the power to essentially stiff-arm the school's efforts to coax him into retirement in 2004. He tried the same audacious tactic earlier this week when he announced his decision to retire at season's end and added, almost as a warning it seemed, that the PSU board of trustees had more pressing matters to deal with than his job status.

bubbaprog: cettin: I am an alumnus and I say they can all burn in hell, throw the book at every single one of them.

You're in the minority. Most Penn State fans are in denial, claiming CNN is making everything up and that Paterno is completely innocent.

This. I mentioned some of this to a Penn State fan yesterday and she about ripped my head off. She said that this was akin to someone talking about your grandfather like a criminal. As it was my gf's birthday and this was one of her best friends I let it lie, but all I wanted to say was, "My grandfather never enabled child rape."

I would like think that if I witnessed such atrocities, I would have the balls to report it. I would also like to think that if I was not happy with the response, I would continue to tell my story until someone responded appropriately.
shiat, I hope I would have the balls to run in and stop what I was witnessing. There are not enough people in prison for this mess.

I hope all those saying mcqueary was a scumbag will now concentrate on real enemy, which were his higher ups and you can bet they shut him up by threatening him.

I've been one of those people that's not necessarily defended Paterno, but asked that people wait until something actually comes out that says 'Hey, this guys as much of a scumbag as the rest of them.' Well, here it is.

/pisses on Joe's grave

steamingpile: I hope all those saying mcqueary was a scumbag will now concentrate on real enemy, which were his higher ups and you can bet they shut him up by threatening him.

to be fair, they might not have threatened, but instead bought his silence. after the shower scene he went from grad assistant to assistant coach (wide receivers iirc). there's some cash in that promotion.

Is this where I point out that Sandusky, Paterno, and virtually all the other principals in this matter of raping kids or covering up said kid raping are Catholic?

Coincidences, coincidences..... yep. Just a coincidence.

Too late. Penn State is already becoming synonymous with Child Rapists/Child Rapist Enablers. Congratulations on overshadowing the Catholic Church in that regard, guys.

/your fans are animals too

RichieLaw: bubbaprog: cettin: I am an alumnus and I say they can all burn in hell, throw the book at every single one of them.

You're in the minority. Most Penn State fans are in denial, claiming CNN is making everything up and that Paterno is completely innocent.

This. I mentioned some of this to a Penn State fan yesterday and she about ripped my head off. She said that this was akin to someone talking about your grandfather like a criminal. As it was my gf's birthday and this was one of her best friends I let it lie, but all I wanted to say was, "My grandfather never enabled child rape."

I wouldn't have let it go, fark that kind of thinking, I love UGA and their program but if it were to come out they did something remotely this bad they would be dead to me.

Magorn: ongbok: Magorn: Weaver95: If any of that turns out to be true, then Penn State has a very serious problem.

The most important of which is that somehow a FOOTBALL Coach money managed to exert a degree of control over a major US university, that is usually only seen in doomsday religious cults.

Honest to holy God, How completely warped does your moral compass have to be that when you hear an eyewitness allegation of one of your employees RAPING a child (and you know he runs several charities that give him access to children) your first impulse is NOT to run screaming to the cops, but instead to check it out with the football coach, and let him convince you that covering the whole thing up is the "humane" thing to do?

This didn't even have to be a sports program. It could have happened if they had a world renowned physics department that brought in millions of dollars every year in grant money and they had a researcher that was the face of modern physics. The fear of losing money and reputation brought this on, not the need to protect a football team.

You know, that makes some logical sense, but I don't think it's ultimately true. I think if Penn State had a Physics prof who was Stephen Hawkings and the Second coming of Albert Einstien, combined, There would not be a bronze statue of him on campus, especially not while he was still alive. And no matter HOW much grant money he oversaw, he'd be out of his ass if someone even accused him of half of what Sandusky did; and nary a single student would riot in protest.

No, Football, a game, was clearly King at Penn State and as the High Priest of the football program, Paterno exert influence even way beyond his program's economic importance to the U

I will agree with you that a great prof wouldn't have any public recognition in his or her lifetime like Paterno or Sandusky did, face it the only people who would get recognition like that are athletes and entertainers, but if this guy was bringing in loads of grant money, government research projects and recognition in the field, they would cover it up just like they did with Sandusky.

I can't remember what school it was but shortly after the Sandusky news broke there was another story about a prof of either psychology or early childhood development, who was an authority in the field, who had been molesting kids for decades but the school didn't do anything about it.

A Fark Handle: steamingpile: I hope all those saying mcqueary was a scumbag will now concentrate on real enemy, which were his higher ups and you can bet they shut him up by threatening him.

to be fair, they might not have threatened, but instead bought his silence. after the shower scene he went from grad assistant to assistant coach (wide receivers iirc). there's some cash in that promotion.

Yeah at most schools grad assistants are like unpaid interns or getting by on shiat pay while living on campus. So going from 0.00 to $1.00 would be doubling his pay but its not enough to pay anyone off. But a nicely placed "you want a career in coaching, right? We can help or hurt that...." would be more effective.

rjakobi: econd, were you molested by football players in high school?

I'd invite you to stay classy, but seeing as how one must have class in the first place...

I'm also wondering if Bobby Bowden is chuckling at the NCAA now since they took the all time wins mark away from him to give to joepa because they thought he had less scandal around him.

steamingpile: I wouldn't have let it go, fark that kind of thinking, I love UGA and their program but if it were to come out they did something remotely this bad they would be dead to me.

Same with me and my alma mater, but apparently you and I "just don't get it" and are simply lesser human beings for not drinking the Kool-Aid.

/That, or alternatively, I spin some tale how "it's different at PSU.."

RichieLaw: This. I mentioned some of this to a Penn State fan yesterday and she about ripped my head off. She said that this was akin to someone talking about your grandfather like a criminal. As it was my gf's birthday and this was one of her best friends I let it lie, but all I wanted to say was, "My grandfather never enabled child rape."

You can't even talk to them about it, they're completely nuts.

1) He's not your grandfather, you probably have never even met him
2) If my grandfather stood idly by while a known pedophile terrorized children, he deserved to be called a lot of horrible things

But yeah, there's no reasoning with people who treat Paterno like a secular deity.

Killer Cars: steamingpile: I wouldn't have let it go, fark that kind of thinking, I love UGA and their program but if it were to come out they did something remotely this bad they would be dead to me.

Same with me and my alma mater, but apparently you and I "just don't get it" and are simply lesser human beings for not drinking the Kool-Aid.

/That, or alternatively, I spin some tale how "it's different at PSU.."

Count me in. I just don't get this insane hero worship that PSU alums are afflicted with. It's just a damn school for christ sake.

Yanks_RSJ: RichieLaw: This. I mentioned some of this to a Penn State fan yesterday and she about ripped my head off. She said that this was akin to someone talking about your grandfather like a criminal. As it was my gf's birthday and this was one of her best friends I let it lie, but all I wanted to say was, "My grandfather never enabled child rape."

You can't even talk to them about it, they're completely nuts.

1) He's not your grandfather, you probably have never even met him
2) If my grandfather stood idly by while a known pedophile terrorized children, he deserved to be called a lot of horrible things

But yeah, there's no reasoning with people who treat Paterno like a secular deity.

Yeah, when this scandal first came out, I was shocked on how much of a weird little cult they have up in Happy Valley. It's rather pathetic.

If those e-mails are legit then Penn state is farked up beyond all recognition.

On top on that with out Paterno and with the recent scandals their football recruiting is going to be a night mare for some time.

ongbok: I can't remember what school it was but shortly after the Sandusky news broke there was another story about a prof of either psychology or early childhood development, who was an authority in the field, who had been molesting kids for decades but the school didn't do anything about it.

i think that was penn state as well...

/seriously

As a fan of the Arkansas Razorbacks and New Orleans Saints, both of which had pretty awful offseasons, I have to say I'm glad I'm not a Penn State fan/alum.

This is what happens when we prioritize athletics over everything. Whether it is as an individual or as a society, no good can come from it.

Yanks_RSJ: RichieLaw: This. I mentioned some of this to a Penn State fan yesterday and she about ripped my head off. She said that this was akin to someone talking about your grandfather like a criminal. As it was my gf's birthday and this was one of her best friends I let it lie, but all I wanted to say was, "My grandfather never enabled child rape."

You can't even talk to them about it, they're completely nuts.

1) He's not your grandfather, you probably have never even met him
2) If my grandfather stood idly by while a known pedophile terrorized children, he deserved to be called a lot of horrible things

But yeah, there's no reasoning with people who treat Paterno like a secular deity.

Apparently she was a journalism student and interviewed him a couple of times. I also think that was before the pseudo-publication of these emails so I feel like cutting her a little slack.

It is an interesting phenomenon, this denial and personal association. If I was a sociologist I would love to research the effects of idolatry, sport and crime on the average person.

RichieLaw: Apparently she was a journalism student and interviewed him a couple of times. I also think that was before the pseudo-publication of these emails so I feel like cutting her a little slack.

Penn State's Journalism school apparently skipped over the "objectivity" thing. Those must have been some really hard-hitting interviews.

Yanks_RSJ: RichieLaw: Apparently she was a journalism student and interviewed him a couple of times. I also think that was before the pseudo-publication of these emails so I feel like cutting her a little slack.

Penn State's Journalism school apparently skipped over the "objectivity" thing. Those must have been some really hard-hitting interviews.

I'm sure. But to be honest, no one could ever have suspected that something this heinous would have went on at Penn State. . . .

While some people really need to burn in hell because of this ("humane" my ass), part of me thinks that the football program shouldn't be shut down because of it. This wasn't a crime about keeping the football program competitive, but about some incredibly shady behavior on the administrative side, including school executives, to protect a pedophile who'd been using their facilities for his own "benefit". So I'm not sure how the NCAA has any power over this kind of thing.

Then again, they did protect the pedophile to protect the reputation of the program, which obviously would've suffered a huge hit and maybe put their on-field performance at risk if they drew fewer good recruits. If that link can firmly established, then shut it down.

MugzyBrown: Babwa Wawa: Situation 1 didn't involve any felonies and coverups of those felonies. Situation 2 did. You don't need to be molested by football players in order to advocate shutting down a program involved in the coverup of particularly despicable criminal activity.

There is no need to shut down the football program since pretty much everybody involved is fired, resigned, in jail, or dead..

Thus the only logical thing to do is punish all the people who had nothing to do with any of this. If you shut down the school, erase the football program and burn down the stadium, all of the victims will become un-raped

How can the NCAA not give Penn State the Death Penalty. Not only is this disgusting, these are crimes over children. A institute of Higher learning should have know to do the right thing here and now they deserve what they get.

I'm not an OSU fan by any stretch, but I love the juxtaposition of the brow-beating they got for overlooking a few players swapping jerseys for tattoos and hanging out in "bad" parts of town. That went on for months.

Then it turns out, at Penn State University, they rape poor children.

mentallo69: How can the NCAA not give Penn State the Death Penalty. Not only is this disgusting, these are crimes over children. A institute of Higher learning should have know to do the right thing here and now they deserve what they get.

Because the NCAA only has jurisdiction over athletic programs, not entire universities. They can't punish a school over a non-football related scandal, even if football coaches were involved.

mentallo69: How can the NCAA not give Penn State the Death Penalty.

I wouldn't really look to the NCAA to do the "right" thing, although I'll admit I'm not sure I'd personally vouch for it in this case.

My mind could definitely change though. Aside from the sheer disgusting nature of this, depending on how much comes to the light, both legally and just from a PR perspective, simply allowing the football team to exist as normal might present a serious security risk for the players and personnel. Again, depending on the depth of more bad sh*t that may or may not come to light, I can't fathom any other Big Ten school when PSU goes on the road not having their own special "welcome" for the Nittany Lions.

The death penalty might literally save a lot of grief assuming the worst.

Krustofsky: It's hard to know if the NCAA will take any action or not, but this seems to reflect the "lack of institutional control" that the NCAA likes to use when they nail an athletic program with penalties.

That usually means the institution isn't controlling its team, the behavior of people involved with promoting its team, or criminal acts by the players. The NCAA is (supposedly) about promoting the ideal of the amateur student athlete and keeping things fair.

Penn State will pay out the ass for this, and Joe's bizarre cult of personality in the valley will never be repeated (I've been saying he should be gone since the mid-1990s and run into crazy Paternoites up until his death).

As a Penn State Alumnis, I never thought something like this could happen, and it bothers me to the core. My girlfriend and I are quite divided on Paterno as a man now, she still wants to believe whereas I never did the way some at university park continue to.

Also to whoever went to Vicki Triponey, I wouldn't put much stock in whatever she has to say after her campaign to defund the student radio station over remarks critical of her attempts to shut down the tent city the students built during football season one year. There was a lot of sentiment on campus against that woman, and she only had a job there because they had to employ her to get her husband. I'm not saying she didn't clash with Paterno, but I'd take her word with a grain of salt.