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2012-07-02 10:39:22 AM  

wantingout: liam76: wantingout: in other news, the Palestinians just held a 'Miss Gaza Survivor' pageant. But sadly the IDF showed up and shot to death all the entrants

You do realize that the population in Gaza is growing, so to compare it to the holocaust show either profound ignorance or dishonesty.


Oh you're right. So the fact lie that the Israelis treat the Gazans just like the Nazis treated the Jews is ok, because Gazans can keep popping out more kids than than the number of people that the IDF kills. Makes sense!


FTFY

More of your profound ignorance or dishonesty.

If Israel treated Gazans like the Nazi's treated the jews they wouldn't be popping out kids, they would be killed.

The fact is that according to the UN HDI Palestenians, under Israel, did better than many of their arab neighbors.
 
2012-07-02 10:43:07 AM  

SoxSweepAgain: Here's one I wish had survived. I read her book in the 70's when I was at the age she wrote it, and it still tears me up:
[img.photobucket.com image 200x254]

[img.photobucket.com image 460x276]

She'd only be 83 now. But she died as a teenager in a Nazi death camp.

What a waste.


I went to her house a few weeks ago. I was surprised at how big it was. 2 floors, 8ft ceilings, a kitchenette, bedrooms for everyone...apart from the "keep absolutely silent during the day or the Nazis will torture you and everyone you love to death" thingy, it's a better situation than the one I live in now.

// plus they had free Wi-fi
 
2012-07-02 10:56:00 AM  
Oh come on the Jews are just trolling us now. Everybody knows there was no Holocaust, those 6 million people just stole the a Nazi space craft, took it to France and flew off to Alpha Centauri. Now some people could say the Nazis had it coming, considering they stole that ship from a bunch of Grey's on spring break leaving them stranded in Russia.

The Nazis invaded France trying to get that stolen space ship back and invaded Russia to see if those little Grey farkers had anymore ships they could steal. Anyway after the US kicked the Nazis ass they stole all the tech, sending it all to area 54 (area 51 is just a front to keep people looking in the wrong direction), but unfortunately a horrible accident killed all the Greys and we have been left to try and figure out this crap.
 
2012-07-02 11:24:50 AM  

chuckufarlie: The Israelis have starting gassing Gazans? When did that start?


You are aware that the gas chambers were only the "grand finale," right? It took the nazis over a decade to build up to the "final solution." The zionists are still at the "ghetto" stage.
 
2012-07-02 11:46:19 AM  
Ye elders of Israel, come join now with me
And seek out the righteous, where'er they may be-
In desert, on mountain, on land, or on sea-
And bring them to Zion, the pure and the free.
 
2012-07-02 11:51:35 AM  

liam76: wantingout: in other news, the Palestinians just held a 'Miss Gaza Survivor' pageant. But sadly the IDF showed up and shot to death all the entrants

You do realize that the population in Gaza is growing, so to compare it to the holocaust show either profound ignorance or dishonesty.


WFT? Did the Jewish population post-Holocaust fail to grow or something?
 
2012-07-02 12:16:50 PM  

qualtrough: liam76: wantingout: in other news, the Palestinians just held a 'Miss Gaza Survivor' pageant. But sadly the IDF showed up and shot to death all the entrants

You do realize that the population in Gaza is growing, so to compare it to the holocaust show either profound ignorance or dishonesty.

WFT? Did the Jewish population post-Holocaust fail to grow or something?


Not sure how post holocaust is relevent.



Uncle Tractor: You are aware that the gas chambers were only the "grand finale," right? It took the nazis over a decade to build up to the "final solution." The zionists are still at the "ghetto" stage


So when Nazi's put Jews in ghettos do you think they have more access to hospitals and universities then they did previously? Did their life expectancy go up? Infant mortality go down? Literacy go up? Becasue all of those things have happened to the Palestenians since Israel took over, so to make that comparison you must be profoundly ignorant or dishonest.
 
2012-07-02 12:36:36 PM  

Uncle Tractor: chuckufarlie: The Israelis have starting gassing Gazans? When did that start?

You are aware that the gas chambers were only the "grand finale," right? It took the nazis over a decade to build up to the "final solution." The zionists are still at the "ghetto" stage.


crawl back into your hole, idiot.
 
2012-07-02 12:47:31 PM  

liam76: So when Nazi's put Jews in ghettos do you think they have more access to hospitals and universities then they did previously? Did their life expectancy go up? Infant mortality go down? Literacy go up? Becasue all of those things have happened to the Palestenians South African blacks since Israel the Afrikaaners took over, so to make that comparison you must be profoundly ignorant or dishonest.


FTFY
 
2012-07-02 12:59:49 PM  

LordPomposity: liam76: So when Nazi's put Jews in ghettos do you think they have more access to hospitals and universities then they did previously? Did their life expectancy go up? Infant mortality go down? Literacy go up? Becasue all of those things have happened to the Palestenians South African blacks since Israel the Afrikaaners took over, so to make that comparison you must be profoundly ignorant or dishonest.

FTFY


So your point is that South Africa wasn't a Nazi like state either? Not sure how that is relevant.


If you want to compare SA and Israel that is another topic. Off the top of my head the comparison fails Israel has arab muslim citizens who can vote, have equal protection under the law, etc. I am not too familiar with SA history but I have never heard of black south africans electing a govt who has wiping out whites as a stated goal in their charter, I don't recall surrounding countries expeling all their white citizens, etc
 
2012-07-02 12:59:49 PM  
They're all beautiful!
 
2012-07-02 01:02:18 PM  
That's hot!
 
2012-07-02 01:56:21 PM  

liam76: So when Nazi's put Jews in ghettos do you think they have more access to hospitals and universities then they did previously? Did their life expectancy go up? Infant mortality go down? Literacy go up? Becasue all of those things have happened to the Palestenians since Israel took over,


...despite the best efforts of Israel, because isolating people in banthustans surrounded by hostile savages or inflicting an unending siege broken only by sporadic air raids is such a great way to reduce child mortality (etc).

The statistics you're mentioning say far more about the resilience of the palestinians than of the "benevolence" of the israeli occupation / land grab.

so to make that comparison you must be profoundly ignorant or dishonest.

Not words you should be using ...
 
2012-07-02 01:57:31 PM  

Tatterdemalian: chuckufarlie: wantingout: Oh you're right. So the fact the the Israelis treat the Gazans just like the Nazis treated the Jews is ok, because Gazans can keep popping out more kids than than the number of people that the IDF kills. Makes sense!

The Israelis have starting gassing Gazans? When did that start?

People that whine about Israelis treating people like the Nazis treated them are truly ignorant. First of all, they are NOT doing that, not even close. Second, do you expect Israelis to be super nice to people and allow them to do as they please because of what the Jews suffered? That is nonsense.

Strangely enough, Israel is more concerned about people treating them badly. Go figure. These people that you want to Israelis to play nice with have a history of killing Israelis and have threatened to kill more.

I call it "Holocaust Non-Denial Denial." They make up lies about what the Israelis did, because they deeply believe the Holocaust survivors made up the Holocaust, and it's not fair that the Jews get to lie about the Holocaust but they don't get to lie about Israel.

/they get really lulzy when they flip out over the fact that reality itself doesn't bend to their will like it seems to do for Israel
//objective reality becomes a Zionist conspiracy


No, its the propaganda arms of the allied powers that made it up. Most survivors were themselves devices, with only a tiny minority complicit.
 
2012-07-02 02:05:05 PM  

Uncle Tractor: liam76: So when Nazi's put Jews in ghettos do you think they have more access to hospitals and universities then they did previously? Did their life expectancy go up? Infant mortality go down? Literacy go up? Becasue all of those things have happened to the Palestenians since Israel took over,

...despite the best efforts of Israel, because isolating people in banthustans surrounded by hostile savages or inflicting an unending siege broken only by sporadic air raids is such a great way to reduce child mortality (etc).

The statistics you're mentioning say far more about the resilience of the palestinians than of the "benevolence" of the israeli occupation / land grab.

so to make that comparison you must be profoundly ignorant or dishonest.

Not words you should be using ...


I didn't say they were benevolent, but the fact is the life of Palestenians under Israel control is better then when they were prior to the founding of Israel, and when gaza and the west bank were controlled by Egypt and Jordan.

So for you to compare their treatment to that of jews under Nazi's you are being dishonest. Just as you are being dishonest with claims of this being despite "the best effort of Israel". If they wanted to they could wipe out Palestenians in a day or two, of course you are too blinded by antisemetism to see that isn't what Israel wants.
 
2012-07-02 02:09:44 PM  
Devices/deceived.
gah.
 
2012-07-02 02:21:25 PM  

SoxSweepAgain: Here's one I wish had survived. I read her book in the 70's when I was at the age she wrote it, and it still tears me up:
[img.photobucket.com image 200x254]

[img.photobucket.com image 460x276]

She'd only be 83 now. But she died as a teenager in a Nazi death camp.

What a waste.


upload.wikimedia.org

Lousy way to die.


www.malariaworld.org

It's a pity that the Germans didn't have access.

Could have saved the life of Anne and so many others.
 
2012-07-02 02:22:59 PM  
wow...that one is so weird and wrong even he wouldn't show up in the thread:
encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-07-02 02:25:44 PM  

liam76: The fact is that according to the UN HDI Palestenians, under Israel, did better than many of their arab neighbors.



Yeah, well, on the whole, it seems that the descendants of black slaves brought to the US have fared far better than their relatives who remained in Africa.

No?
 
2012-07-02 02:32:29 PM  

Amos Quito: liam76: The fact is that according to the UN HDI Palestenians, under Israel, did better than many of their arab neighbors.


Yeah, well, on the whole, it seems that the descendants of black slaves brought to the US have fared far better than their relatives who remained in Africa.

No?


Not sure how pointing out that the relationship between USA and African Americans really doesn't resemble the relationship between jews and Nazi's adds to the conversation, but I am sure you will find some way to twist that into proof that jews are evil.
 
2012-07-02 03:24:37 PM  

liam76: Amos Quito: liam76: The fact is that according to the UN HDI Palestenians, under Israel, did better than many of their arab neighbors.


Yeah, well, on the whole, it seems that the descendants of black slaves brought to the US have fared far better than their relatives who remained in Africa.

No?

Not sure how pointing out that the relationship between USA and African Americans really doesn't resemble the relationship between jews and Nazi's adds to the conversation, but I am sure you will find some way to twist that into proof that jews are evil.



Your implication seems to be that the Palestinians are better of thanks to their brutal occupation under the Israelis.

Sounds like you're saying the Pallies should be grateful for the "comforts" with which the Zionist boot-heel has blessed them.

No?
 
2012-07-02 04:49:18 PM  

liam76: I didn't say they were benevolent, but the fact is the life of Palestenians under Israel control is better then when they were prior to the founding of Israel,


You know what the world was like prior to the founding of Israel? It was worse for pretty much everybody, and the further back you go, the worse it was.

and when gaza and the west bank were controlled by Egypt and Jordan.

Yeah, but they're not there any longer, so who cares?

So for you to compare their treatment to that of jews under Nazi's you are being dishonest.

No, I'm not. Remember, bot are instances of a dominant ethnicity trying to rid a land area of another ethnicity.

How else can you create a jewish homeland in an area where more than 90% of the population is arab?

Just as you are being dishonest with claims of this being despite "the best effort of Israel". If they wanted to they could wipe out Palestenians in a day or two,

But then the world would turn against you the way it turned against Hitler and Milosevic. Even the US would have stopped supporting Israel. So instead, the zionists have settled for a slow apartheid / cleansing that takes place over decades. It won't last much longer though.

of course you are too blinded by antisemetism to see that isn't what Israel wants.

...And that's why you have no right to talk about dishonesty.
 
2012-07-02 05:40:21 PM  

Amos Quito: Your implication seems to be that the Palestinians are better of thanks to their brutal occupation under the Israelis.

Sounds like you're saying the Pallies should be grateful for the "comforts" with which the Zionist boot-heel has blessed them.

No?


I'll say it if he won't: the Palestinians are provably better off under an Israeli democracy than under an Islamic theocracy.

/feel free to call me a monster for saying that
//I'll just as freely call you a liar for using the word "brutal" to describe Israeli "occupation"
 
2012-07-02 06:02:38 PM  

Tatterdemalian: I'll say it if he won't: the Palestinians are provably better off under an Israeli democracy than under an Islamic theocracy.


The problem with this israeli democracy is that it's for jews only. Yes, some of the arabs get to vote (not the ones in Gaza and the WB), but they're a minority and Israel does not enforce laws that protect minorities (if Israel even has laws like that). I'll admit all those paper victories look good in the headlines, though.

/feel free to call me a monster for saying that
//I'll just as freely call you a liar for using the word "brutal" to describe Israeli "occupation"


Yeah, because there's nothing brutal about rampaging settlers or bombing civilians with white phosphorus.
 
2012-07-02 06:05:01 PM  

Uncle Tractor: But then the world would turn against you the way it turned against Hitler and Milosevic. Even the US would have stopped supporting Israel. So instead, the zionists have settled for a slow apartheid / cleansing that takes place over decades. It won't last much longer though.


Muslim arab Israelis citizens have the same rights as Jewish Israeli's, so not an apartheid.

The population of arab muslims (in Israel and in Palestine) is growing faster then the population of jews, so not cleansing.

You, continually lying about it, an anti-semite.

Amos Quito: Your implication seems to be that the Palestinians are better of thanks to their brutal occupation under the Israelis.

Sounds like you're saying the Pallies should be grateful for the "comforts" with which the Zionist boot-heel has blessed them.

No?


No. The implication is that anyone who uses the language of the holocaust (claims of death camps, comparison of Israel to Nazi's, etc) is either ignorant or dishonest. Didn't say anything about "grateful".
 
2012-07-02 06:20:13 PM  

Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: liam76: The fact is that according to the UN HDI Palestenians, under Israel, did better than many of their arab neighbors.


Yeah, well, on the whole, it seems that the descendants of black slaves brought to the US have fared far better than their relatives who remained in Africa.

No?

Not sure how pointing out that the relationship between USA and African Americans really doesn't resemble the relationship between jews and Nazi's adds to the conversation, but I am sure you will find some way to twist that into proof that jews are evil.


Your implication seems to be that the Palestinians are better of thanks to their brutal occupation under the Israelis.

Sounds like you're saying the Pallies should be grateful for the "comforts" with which the Zionist boot-heel has blessed them.

No?


When life gives you lemons, amirite?

The Palis, AKA the world's biggest welfare case, enjoy a much higher standard of living than many of their brethren (indeed, many Americans) thanks to your donations.
 
2012-07-02 06:22:56 PM  

Amos Quito: liam76: The fact is that according to the UN HDI Palestenians, under Israel, did better than many of their arab neighbors.


Yeah, well, on the whole, it seems that the descendants of black slaves brought to the US have fared far better than their relatives who remained in Africa.

No?


[citation needed]

Africa is a whole entire continent, with many countries and peoples, btw.
 
2012-07-02 07:20:55 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Amos Quito: Your implication seems to be that the Palestinians are better of thanks to their brutal occupation under the Israelis.

Sounds like you're saying the Pallies should be grateful for the "comforts" with which the Zionist boot-heel has blessed them.

No?

I'll say it if he won't: the Palestinians are provably better off under an Israeli democracy than under an Islamic theocracy.



Okay then, prove it.

And remember, we're not just talking about the small number of Palestinians that live in "Israel proper", but those that live in Gaza, the West Bank and the various concentration refugee camps that they were forced to flee to thanks to the invasion of the interloping European Jews.


media.komonews.com

BTW, I read that one of your favorite terrorists / former Prime Ministers died over the weekend.

My condolences.
 
2012-07-02 07:31:41 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: But then the world would turn against you the way it turned against Hitler and Milosevic. Even the US would have stopped supporting Israel. So instead, the zionists have settled for a slow apartheid / cleansing that takes place over decades. It won't last much longer though.

Muslim arab Israelis citizens have the same rights as Jewish Israeli's, so not an apartheid.

The population of arab muslims (in Israel and in Palestine) is growing faster then the population of jews, so not cleansing.

You, continually lying about it, an anti-semite.

Amos Quito: Your implication seems to be that the Palestinians are better of thanks to their brutal occupation under the Israelis.

Sounds like you're saying the Pallies should be grateful for the "comforts" with which the Zionist boot-heel has blessed them.

No?

No. The implication is that anyone who uses the language of the holocaust (claims of death camps, comparison of Israel to Nazi's, etc) is either ignorant or dishonest. Didn't say anything about "grateful".



I seem to recall that the Nazis sought to enforce the dominance of a single ethnic group over others, to expand their territory in the name of "living space" and manifest destiny, and rationalized their doing so by claiming that out-group members were inferior, subversive, of dubious loyalty, and that they posed a threat to state security.

They uprooted, isolated and concentrated the targeted groups, depriving them of liberty, property, means of livelihood and of life itself, all in the name of "security" and the betterment of the Reich.

Any of this sound familiar?
 
2012-07-02 07:35:21 PM  

Amos Quito:
They uprooted, isolated and concentrated the targeted groups, depriving them of liberty, property, means of livelihood and of life itself, all in the name of "security" and the betterment of the Reich.

Any of this sound familiar?


The US? Mongolians? Islamists?
Lots of people have done that.

Btw, are you happy now that people are playing with you?
Who's a good little shiat, eh? Who's a good little shiat? Want a cookie? They're halal!
 
2012-07-02 07:43:25 PM  

Porous Horace: Amos Quito:
They uprooted, isolated and concentrated the targeted groups, depriving them of liberty, property, means of livelihood and of life itself, all in the name of "security" and the betterment of the Reich.

Any of this sound familiar?

The US? Mongolians? Islamists?
Lots of people have done that.



Yeah, but we're only supposed to cry about the Jews that Hitler hit, right?

Porous Horace: Btw, are you happy now that people are playing with you?
Who's a good little shiat, eh? Who's a good little shiat? Want a cookie? They're halal!


cdn1.spiegel.de

"Poor Us! Whore Us!"

Innat right, Porous Horace
 
2012-07-02 07:43:54 PM  

Amos Quito: ... the various refugee camps ...


You mean the ones in Arab countries? Why are the Arabs treating the Palis so poorly? Aren't they brethren? Or can the only things Arabs be united about is hatred for non-Arabs/Muslims?
 
2012-07-02 08:05:52 PM  
See?
 
2012-07-02 08:28:42 PM  

Amos Quito: liam76:

No. The implication is that anyone who uses the language of the holocaust (claims of death camps, comparison of Israel to Nazi's, etc) is either ignorant or dishonest. Didn't say anything about "grateful".


I seem to recall that the Nazis sought to enforce the dominance of a single ethnic group over others, to expand their territory in the name of "living space" and manifest destiny, and rationalized their doing so by claiming that out-group members were inferior, subversive, of dubious loyalty, and that they posed a threat to state security.

They uprooted, isolated and concentrated the targeted groups, depriving them of liberty, property, means of livelihood and of life itself, all in the name of "security" and the betterment of the Reich.

Any of this sound familiar?


That sounds like every invasion in history. The holocaust was a lot more than that. It was attempted genocide of specific religious and ethnic groups.

As far as the "dubious loyalty" and "threat to state security" do you think that is just a claim wrt Palestinian feelings on Israel? Even a lying sack of anti-semitic shiat, like your self, can clearly see the difference between the relationship german jews had with germany (many loyal people who actually fought for Germany during WWI) and Arab muslims had with Israel (declared war when it was founded).

Also Nazi Germany didn't allow the "targeted groups" to vote, keep citizenship, etc.
 
2012-07-02 10:02:36 PM  

liam76: Amos Quito: liam76:

No. The implication is that anyone who uses the language of the holocaust (claims of death camps, comparison of Israel to Nazi's, etc) is either ignorant or dishonest. Didn't say anything about "grateful".


I seem to recall that the Nazis sought to enforce the dominance of a single ethnic group over others, to expand their territory in the name of "living space" and manifest destiny, and rationalized their doing so by claiming that out-group members were inferior, subversive, of dubious loyalty, and that they posed a threat to state security.

They uprooted, isolated and concentrated the targeted groups, depriving them of liberty, property, means of livelihood and of life itself, all in the name of "security" and the betterment of the Reich.

Any of this sound familiar?

That sounds like every invasion in history. The holocaust was a lot more than that. It was attempted genocide of specific religious and ethnic groups.

As far as the "dubious loyalty" and "threat to state security" do you think that is just a claim wrt Palestinian feelings on Israel? Even a lying sack of anti-semitic shiat, like your self, can clearly see the difference between the relationship german jews had with germany (many loyal people who actually fought for Germany during WWI) and Arab muslims had with Israel (declared war when it was founded).

Also Nazi Germany didn't allow the "targeted groups" to vote, keep citizenship, etc.


Don't you remember? Just the other day he said that Jews engineered the Holocaust for their little Middle East land swindle and German Jews brought on Kristallnacht by protesting Nazi policies. He even posted helpful pictures.
 
2012-07-03 04:20:03 AM  

liam76: Muslim arab Israelis citizens have the same rights as Jewish Israeli's, so not an apartheid.


Those rights are on paper only. Also, I notice you say "Israeli citizens." What about those in Gaza and the WB? What rights do they have? None.

The population of arab muslims (in Israel and in Palestine) is growing faster then the population of jews, so not cleansing.

The amount of land available to them is shrinking, so definitely cleansing.

You, continually lying about it, an anti-semite.

The only liar here is you. BTW:

i560.photobucket.com

Your petulant accusations of anti-semitism don't work any more. Israel is a racist state. Calling Israel (and it's idiot supporters) on it isn't racist.
 
2012-07-03 04:31:41 AM  

liam76: That sounds like every invasion in history. The holocaust was a lot more than that. It was attempted genocide of specific religious and ethnic groups.


The "genocide" bit didn't appear until 1941(-ish). Before that, the nazis wanted to evict the jews, not wipe them out. That's why Eichmann was sent to Palestine, for instance. Not unlike what Israel wants for the Palestinians now.

As far as the "dubious loyalty" and "threat to state security" do you think that is just a claim wrt Palestinian feelings on Israel? Even a lying sack of anti-semitic shiat, like your self,

...heh ...

can clearly see the difference between the relationship german jews had with germany (many loyal people who actually fought for Germany during WWI) and Arab muslims had with Israel (declared war when it was founded).

The arabs declared war because a european colony was created on their land. I don't see anything strange about that.

Also Nazi Germany didn't allow the "targeted groups" to vote, keep citizenship, etc.

First, the arab vote is about as worthless as the vote of a black guy in a southern lynch mob. Second, about keeping their citizenships ...
 
2012-07-03 06:50:24 AM  

Uncle Tractor: The "genocide" bit didn't appear until 1941(-ish). Before that, the nazis wanted to evict the jews, not wipe them out. That's why Eichmann was sent to Palestine, for instance. Not unlike what Israel wants for the Palestinians now.


Only if you are a lying antisemitic piece of shiat who sees no difference between Gaza/west bank and concentration camps/ghettos.

And please remember that it has been proven that life in Gaza/West bank is objectivley better according to the UN HDI under Israel, but don't let things like reality get in the way of your jew hate.


Uncle Tractor: liam76: Also Nazi Germany didn't allow the "targeted groups" to vote, keep citizenship, etc.

First, the arab vote is about as worthless as the vote of a black guy in a southern lynch mob. Second, about keeping their citizenships ...



Too bad the article wasn't about Israeli citizens, but palestenians with resident status? So the questiion is are you tto stupid to know the difference between resident and citizen, or do you feel fine lying about the difference if it makes Israel look bad?
 
2012-07-03 07:27:37 AM  

liam76: Only if you are a lying antisemitic piece of shiat who sees no difference between Gaza/west bank and concentration camps/ghettos.


Why do you keep ignoring the fact that the Holocaust wasn't gas chambers from day one, but slowly developed over a period of over a decade? Oh yeah; because it doesn't fit your agenda. Israel can't be compared with Germany in the 40s, but it can be compared with Germany in the 30s. Is it a carbon copy? No. Nor does that invalidate the comparisons. Every ethnic cleansing is unique, even though they share certain characteristics.

And please remember that it has been proven that life in Gaza/West bank is objectivley better according to the UN HDI under Israel,

Which, as you know, is *despite* Israel's best efforts ...or perhaps you can tell me how rampaging settlers and army choke-points somehow make life better for the palestinians?

but don't let things like reality get in the way of your jew hate.

Grow up, kiddo.

Uncle Tractor: First, the arab vote is about as worthless as the vote of a black guy in a southern lynch mob. Second, about keeping their citizenships ..

Too bad the article wasn't about Israeli citizens, but palestenians with resident status? So the questiion is are you tto stupid to know the difference between resident and citizen, or do you feel fine lying about the difference if it makes Israel look bad?

Yeah, I thought you might focus on that. Typical dishonest hasbara tactic. Why don't you explain to me the practical difference for a WB palestinian between being stripped of his / her residency and of his / her citizenship?
 
2012-07-03 07:58:10 AM  

Uncle Tractor: liam76: Only if you are a lying antisemitic piece of shiat who sees no difference between Gaza/west bank and concentration camps/ghettos.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that the Holocaust wasn't gas chambers from day one, but slowly developed over a period of over a decade? Oh yeah; because it doesn't fit your agenda. Israel can't be compared with Germany in the 40s, but it can be compared with Germany in the 30s. Is it a carbon copy? No. Nor does that invalidate the comparisons. Every ethnic cleansing is unique, even though they share certain characteristics.


I am not ignoring it, in fact I have shown you evidence, repeatedly that the situation for Jews in Germany even before death camps was far worse than what Palestenians face, and the goals are clearly different.

The one ignoring facts here is you. You ignore attacks by Palestenians, you ignore the improvement in their life under Israeli rule (which even a lying piece of shiat like your self can;t claim for jews under Nazi's). You are ignoring your own farking posts. In one decade Jews went from regular loyal citizens to being sent to deathcamps through no fault of their own. Palestenians, otoh, have been supporting wars against Israel, electing parties that call from wiping Israel out to removing every jew in Israel, etc for the past 60+years yet they are doing better than many fo their arab neighbors.


Uncle Tractor: And please remember that it has been proven that life in Gaza/West bank is objectivley better according to the UN HDI under Israel,

Which, as you know, is *despite* Israel's best efforts ...or perhaps you can tell me how rampaging settlers and army choke-points somehow make life better for the palestinians?


Despite Israel's best efforts? Try despite Palestenians best efforts. Look at the economy in Palestine prior to the 2nd intafada. One fo the fastes gtrowing economies in the ME, but all the trade and labor that was going back and forth came to a screeching ahlt because of the actions of the Palestenians. Their rocket attacks, suicide bombins, and gunmen made regular trade impossible.


Uncle Tractor: liam76: Too bad the article wasn't about Israeli citizens, but palestenians with resident status? So the questiion is are you tto stupid to know the difference between resident and citizen, or do you feel fine lying about the difference if it makes Israel look bad?

Yeah, I thought you might focus on that. Typical dishonest hasbara tactic. Why don't you explain to me the practical difference for a WB palestinian between being stripped of his / her residency and of his / her citizenship?


Dishonest tactis? We were talking abotu citizens and you brought up residents. You changed the subject. You dishonestly pretended that residents losing their residency had something to do with arab citizens of Israel.

So now you are pretending you are too stupid to know the difference between a citizen and a resident? You are too farking dense to know that a citizen has the right to vote, the right to live there forever? You are so stupid you don't realize that residents don't get to vote, don;t have a guarantee to live there forever, need to perform certain steps to keep their residency? All of that is news to you? Or how about you put on your big girl pants and admit you were dishonest.
 
2012-07-03 09:34:41 AM  

liam76: I am not ignoring it, in fact I have shown you evidence, repeatedly


Where? Go on, give me a link and a quote.

that the situation for Jews in Germany even before death camps was far worse than what Palestenians face, and the goals are clearly different.

Today's Israel has the same goals as the Third Reich before 1941; to get rid of an unwanted people. For the TR it was the jews, for Israel it's the non-jews.

The one ignoring facts here is you. You ignore attacks by Palestenians,

Because they are totally irrelevant to this discussion.

you ignore the improvement in their life under Israeli rule

I have done no such thing. You, however, have repeatedly ignored my request for an explanation of how the israeli occupation has caused these improvements.

(which even a lying piece of shiat like your self

How old are you? 14?

one decade Jews went from regular loyal citizens to being sent to deathcamps through no fault of their own.

...and the palestinians went from being people minding their own business to being second-rate citizens in a territory desired by an aggressive european colony. No, the palestinians haven't been sent to death-camps. Yet. There's no telling what the future holds.

Which, as you know, is *despite* Israel's best efforts ...or perhaps you can tell me how rampaging settlers and army choke-points somehow make life better for the palestinians?

Despite Israel's best efforts?


Apart from the efforts mentioned in the text quoted above? Apart from chopping up the WB, isolating the palestinians in smaller and smaller enclaves, hindering their access to hospitals, schools, even their own farmlands? Using Gaza as a live fire target range? Destroying orchards, stealing water, killing random civilians, destroying property, hindering movement, and so on? Apart from all that, you mean?

Why don't you tell me about many ways in which Israel has improved the lives of the palestinians?

Try despite Palestenians best efforts. Look at the economy in Palestine prior to the 2nd intafada. One fo the fastes gtrowing economies in the ME, but all the trade and labor that was going back and forth came to a screeching ahlt be ...

And you talk about "ignoring?" What a hypocrite you are. I suppose that's a requirement for being a hasbara muppet.
 
2012-07-03 09:36:20 AM  

Amos Quito: SoxSweepAgain: Here's one I wish had survived. I read her book in the 70's when I was at the age she wrote it, and it still tears me up:
[img.photobucket.com image 200x254]

[img.photobucket.com image 460x276]

She'd only be 83 now. But she died as a teenager in a Nazi death camp.

What a waste.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x344]

Lousy way to die.


[www.malariaworld.org image 424x424]

It's a pity that the Germans didn't have access.

Could have saved the life of Anne and so many others.


that bottle of DDT looks like a bottle of soda
 
2012-07-03 09:42:22 AM  

liam76: Yeah, I thought you might focus on that. Typical dishonest hasbara tactic. Why don't you explain to me the practical difference for a WB palestinian between being stripped of his / her residency and of his / her citizenship?

Dishonest tactis? We were talking abotu citizens and you brought up residents. You changed the subject.


I'm not changing the subject. However...

You dishonestly pretended that residents losing their residency had something to do with arab citizens of Israel.

So now you are pretending you are too stupid to know the difference between a citizen and a resident? You are too farking dense to know that a citizen has the right to vote, the right to live there forever? You are so stupid you don't realize that residents don't get to vote, don;t have a guarantee to live there forever, need to perform certain steps to keep their residency? All of that is news to you?


Good, and now you get to tell me why a palestinian citizen of palestine (the WB) is merely a "resident" rather than a citizen, and what authority Israel has to deny it? Is this an indirect admission that the WB is part of Israel? If so, why aren't people who've lived there their whole lives no citizens with the right to vote? Apartheid?

Or how about you put on your big girl pants and admit you were dishonest.

Speaking of big girl pants, it looks to me like you've got your knickers all twisted up.
 
2012-07-03 09:49:10 AM  

Uncle Tractor: liam76: I am not ignoring it, in fact I have shown you evidence, repeatedly

Where? Go on, give me a link and a quote.

that the situation for Jews in Germany even before death camps was far worse than what Palestenians face, and the goals are clearly different.

Today's Israel has the same goals as the Third Reich before 1941; to get rid of an unwanted people. For the TR it was the jews, for Israel it's the non-jews.


I have provided you a link to the UN HDI numerous times. this isn't our first conversation, and you even conceded that all the factors I listed (life expectancy, literacy, etc) have improved. Now you are going to go yoru ussual route and play dumb.


If they have the same goals as the Nazi's in 1941 (which you haven't posted a single shred of evidence for, and goes against the growth of the rights of Israeli Muslim Arabs for the past 50 or so years) then they must be terribly inept as the % of Israeli Muslim Arabs is rising, but you aren't one to let facts get ont he way of your dishonest comparisons.


Uncle Tractor: How old are you? 14?


I am sorry you don't like being called a lying piece of shiat, but when you repeated lie (pretend you don't knwo the difference between resident and citizen, pretend I am making up the UN HDI, etc) I am going to call you out on it.
 
2012-07-03 09:55:49 AM  

Uncle Tractor: I'm not changing the subject. However...


You can only think that if you are too stupid/dishonest to see the difference between Israeli citizens and residents.

Either way there is no popint going on unless you can fix your stupidity/dishonesty.
 
2012-07-03 11:31:12 AM  

Fano: Don't you remember? Just the other day he said that Jews engineered the Holocaust for their little Middle East land swindle and German Jews brought on Kristallnacht by protesting Nazi policies. He even posted helpful pictures.



Mind digging up exact quotes where I said what you allege I said and posting them here Fano?

You know, prove you're not a hyperbolic liar?

Pathetic, lad.

I thought better of you.
 
2012-07-03 04:39:08 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor:Today's Israel has the same goals as the Third Reich before 1941; to get rid of an unwanted people. For the TR it was the jews, for Israel it's the non-jews.

I have provided you a link to the UN HDI numerous times. this isn't our first conversation, and you even conceded that all the factors I listed (life expectancy, literacy, etc) have improved. Now you are going to go yoru ussual route and play dumb.


It's like I'm talking to a wall here. Sure,their life expectancy etc has improved. I'm not arguing against that. What I'm arguing against is that Israel somehow deserves the credit for this. Not only that, but each time I ask you to explain why you think Israel deserves credit for this, despite all the shiat they're putting the palestinians through, you ignore it and return to your broken record.

Basically, you're being dishonest.

If they have the same goals as the Nazi's in 1941 (which you haven't posted a single shred of evidence for,

No, before 1941. Before 1941, Germany wanted the jews out, just like today's Israel wants the arabs out. After 1941, Germany wanted the jews dead. Thus the gas chambers.

and goes against the growth of the rights of Israeli Muslim Arabs for the past 50 or so years)

Paper rights only, and as such, they're worthless.

then they must be terribly inept as the % of Israeli Muslim Arabs is rising, but you aren't one to let facts get ont he way of your dishonest comparisons.

Does "israeli muslims" include the people in the WB and Gaza? Does "Israel" include the WB and Gaza?

Uncle Tractor: How old are you? 14?

I am sorry you don't like being called a lying piece of shiat, but when you repeated lie (pretend you don't knwo the difference between resident and citizen, pretend I am making up the UN HDI, etc) I am going to call you out on it.


Yeah, except I did no such thing, and it's obvious to anybody who's bothered to follow your blather. See, the problem isn't that you're calling me names. The problem is that it makes me feel like I'm wasting my time on some kid in junior high.

So to return to the question you keep dodging:

Why don't you tell me about the many ways in which Israel has improved the lives of the palestinians?
 
2012-07-03 04:40:46 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: I'm not changing the subject. However...

You can only think that if you are too stupid/dishonest to see the difference between Israeli citizens and residents.

Either way there is no popint going on unless you can fix your stupidity/dishonesty.


I see you chose to ignore my question. I'll try again:

Tell me why a palestinian citizen of palestine (the WB) is merely a "resident" rather than a citizen, and what authority Israel has to deny it? Is this an indirect admission that the WB is part of Israel? If so, why aren't people who've lived there their whole lives no citizens with the right to vote? Apartheid?
 
2012-07-03 04:53:56 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Tell me why a palestinian citizen of palestine (the WB)


That you are still lying about that being the same subject as Israeli citizens shows, very clearly, you are too stupid/dishonest to have this conversation.

Not wasting my time until you can fix that.
 
2012-07-03 05:12:24 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: Tell me why a palestinian citizen of palestine (the WB)

That you are still lying about that being the same subject as Israeli citizens shows, very clearly, you are too stupid/dishonest to have this conversation.

Not wasting my time until you can fix that.


Well, running away is easier than defending Israel.
 
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