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2012-07-01 07:11:31 PM  
Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.
 
2012-07-01 07:13:45 PM  
Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you
 
2012-07-01 07:24:20 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-07-01 07:38:15 PM  
Pfft... let me know when they find a dog particle.
 
2012-07-01 07:39:46 PM  

cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you


The Daily Fail has decided to tell everyone what CERN is going to announce on Wednesday even though there's no leaked evidence that the Higgs bosun has been found.
 
2012-07-01 07:49:16 PM  

cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you


I will probably get part of this wrong, but here is my understanding. Under the Standard Model of Quantum physics, all forces are really particles which interact with with atoms, or parts of atoms. So electricity, magnetism, nuclear forces (strong and weak) and gravity are all caused by the interaction of particles on atoms. The holy grail of physics is to find one theory which explains all 4 forces (nuclear, gravity, etc). Magnetism and electricity were actually explained as different aspects of the same force by a man named Maxwell in the 1860's. The nuclear forces were figured out in the 1920's and 30's, and they were tied to the electro-magnetic theory in 50's thru the 70's. Gravity has not been integrated into this theory. One of the problems with the particle theory of force is why do some things have mass (you, me, stars, planets, etc) while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things which have been proven to exist but to the best of our measurement (which keeps getting better) do not have mass. For simplistic purposes, consider mass to be what we 'weigh' when we put something on a weight scale. Photons would not ever weigh anything, no matter how massive a planet or sun their weight was measured on. Gravity can affect these items but cannot not make them 'weigh' anything, or more accurately, have any mass. The Higgs Boson is a theoretical particle which would allow this type of behavior to occur. It is that particle which causes things to have mass, at least theoretically, by interacting with atoms or the components of atoms. Scientists were able to predict that IF the Higgs Boson existed it had to be found at a certain energy level. The Large Hadron Collider is the first man made detector capable of producing the energy required to find the Higgs Boson. If they found it within the energy range that theory predicted then it may finally allow physicists to tie gravity to the other forces. If not, then physics has a lot of 'splainin' to do.

Higgs is the name of the man who figured out what the mass/energy level of the particle which causes mass would have to be.
 
2012-07-01 08:41:49 PM  

Steve Zodiac: light photons


I may also be wrong but I thought photons had a minuscule mass.... I thought that solar sails were a tech that was proven to work at least in theory. Google tells me that that do work but a very quick search doesn't confirm the 'mass' theory
 
2012-07-01 09:01:47 PM  

Majick Thise: Steve Zodiac: light photons

I may also be wrong but I thought photons had a minuscule mass.... I thought that solar sails were a tech that was proven to work at least in theory. Google tells me that that do work but a very quick search doesn't confirm the 'mass' theory


No, photons have energy and momentum, but no mass.
 
2012-07-01 09:17:10 PM  
i3.kym-cdn.com

woof, woof
 
2012-07-01 09:17:34 PM  

revrendjim: Majick Thise: Steve Zodiac: light photons

I may also be wrong but I thought photons had a minuscule mass.... I thought that solar sails were a tech that was proven to work at least in theory. Google tells me that that do work but a very quick search doesn't confirm the 'mass' theory

No, photons have energy and momentum, but no mass.


okay I believe you rather than me because you're a Reverend. (and because I am most likely wrong)
 
2012-07-01 09:35:58 PM  
 
2012-07-01 09:36:23 PM  
I have irrefutable proof that humans never actually mature beyond 12 years of age.

I can't read Large Hadron Collider without unintentionally transposing it to Hardon.

/It's a small sample size
//Need to go write a grant
 
2012-07-01 09:40:40 PM  
Why are we building these machines just to look for the crumbs of God?
 
2012-07-01 09:42:03 PM  

skinink: Why are we building these machines just to look for the crumbs of God?


Because we stopped building spaceships to look for His Face ...
 
2012-07-01 09:47:57 PM  
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-07-01 09:49:44 PM  

HawgWild: skinink: Why are we building these machines just to look for the crumbs of God?

Because we stopped building spaceships to look for His Face ...

nice

 
2012-07-01 10:11:25 PM  

cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you


This particle explains why your mom is fat.
 
2012-07-01 10:31:18 PM  
Steve Zodiac:

while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things.

Didn't they figure that neutrinos do have mass, even if it is incredibly slight?
 
2012-07-01 10:43:16 PM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-01 10:43:33 PM  
I would be impressed if they did find God, in particular.

I'd also have a few choice words for Him.
 
2012-07-01 10:48:02 PM  
Thank Christ.

/Margaret
 
2012-07-01 10:52:36 PM  
FTFA: Scientists 'will say they are 99.99% certain' the particle has been found

That means they don't know if they've found it.
 
2012-07-01 10:52:42 PM  
Turns out it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster particle. Who knew?
 
2012-07-01 11:19:33 PM  
Physicists first predicted that the Higgs Boson subatomic particle exists 48 years ago.

So what gave atoms mass prior to 48 years ago?
 
2012-07-01 11:23:56 PM  
www.wired.com

"Kent, this is god."

/obscure?
 
2012-07-01 11:29:02 PM  

snuff3r: [www.wired.com image 200x200]

"Kent, this is god."

/obscure?


On Fark? Really? Obscure?

/stop playing with yourself
 
2012-07-01 11:30:56 PM  

Durendal: Steve Zodiac:

while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things.

Didn't they figure that neutrinos do have mass, even if it is incredibly slight?


Yes and it resolves the solar neutrino problem by allowing them to change to any one of the three species.
 
2012-07-01 11:40:08 PM  
frey Jones
 
2012-07-01 11:42:55 PM  
d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2012-07-01 11:43:09 PM  
So it's a particle whose existence actually disproves the existence of God? Isn't it ironic?

/dontcha think?
 
2012-07-01 11:43:39 PM  
This has been reported in legitimate publications; why link to the Daily Fail? This isn't yet another story about a teacher farking a student or a girl with a mental disorder who will only eat pizza.
 
2012-07-01 11:44:08 PM  

Steve Zodiac: cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you

I will probably get part of this wrong, but here is my understanding. Under the Standard Model of Quantum physics, all forces are really particles which interact with with atoms, or parts of atoms. So electricity, magnetism, nuclear forces (strong and weak) and gravity are all caused by the interaction of particles on atoms. The holy grail of physics is to find one theory which explains all 4 forces (nuclear, gravity, etc). Magnetism and electricity were actually explained as different aspects of the same force by a man named Maxwell in the 1860's. The nuclear forces were figured out in the 1920's and 30's, and they were tied to the electro-magnetic theory in 50's thru the 70's. Gravity has not been integrated into this theory. One of the problems with the particle theory of force is why do some things have mass (you, me, stars, planets, etc) while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things which have been proven to exist but to the best of our measurement (which keeps getting better) do not have mass. For simplistic purposes, consider mass to be what we 'weigh' when we put something on a weight scale. Photons would not ever weigh anything, no matter how massive a planet or sun their weight was measured on. Gravity can affect these items but cannot not make them 'weigh' anything, or more accurately, have any mass. The Higgs Boson is a theoretical particle which would allow this type of behavior to occur. It is that particle which causes things to have mass, at least theoretically, by interacting with atoms or the components of atoms. Scientists were able to predict that IF the Higgs Boson existed it had to be found at a certain energy level. The Large Hadron Collider is the first man made detector capable of producing the energy required to find the Higgs Boson. If they found it within the energy range that theory predicted then it may finally allow physicists to tie ...


you use yore tongue purtier than a $20 whore.
saythankya.
 
2012-07-01 11:44:40 PM  
Why can't all these smart people get together and pass a federal budget?
 
2012-07-01 11:44:59 PM  
The Higgs boson is regarded as the key to understanding the universe.


Bullshiat. What a pile of careless, sloppy, sensationalist science writing.
 
2012-07-01 11:45:33 PM  
So they found a smaller particle and then they will find an even smaller particle, you see where I'm going.
 
2012-07-01 11:47:03 PM  

Deep Contact: So they found a smaller particle and then they will find an even smaller particle, you see where I'm going.


Yes. It's infinitesimal particles all the way down.
 
2012-07-01 11:47:53 PM  

MasterAdkins: Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.


Hasn't that always been the case?
 
2012-07-01 11:48:36 PM  
Mugato got the Margaret reference, so...

"I'm on the Do Not Call list...."
or,
"No, we're not interested, thank you,...*click*"
 
2012-07-01 11:50:46 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

He can't reply, God. Sorry. Gordon doesn't talk.
 
2012-07-01 11:51:32 PM  

larrycot: I have irrefutable proof that humans never actually mature beyond 12 years of age.

I can't read Large Hadron Collider without unintentionally transposing it to Hardon.

/It's a small sample size
//Need to go write a grant


www.nightmarepark.com
 
2012-07-01 11:51:52 PM  

phrawgh: Deep Contact: So they found a smaller particle and then they will find an even smaller particle, you see where I'm going.

Yes. It's infinitesimal particles all the way down.


Eventually, they got to get a bigger collider.
 
2012-07-01 11:52:56 PM  

whatshisname: The Higgs boson is regarded as the key to understanding the universe.


Bullshiat. What a pile of careless, sloppy, sensationalist science writing.


Yes, it's the Daily Mail, we already know that.
 
2012-07-01 11:55:28 PM  
go.sky.com

"the mathematics of wonton burrito meals...got it"
 
2012-07-01 11:55:28 PM  
Now they need to be careful how they play with that thing they just discovered, sounds dangerous.
 
2012-07-01 11:56:27 PM  
It's not a tumor God particle, you moran writers.
 
2012-07-01 11:57:20 PM  
img259.imageshack.us

"Not this shiat again..."
 
2012-07-01 11:58:04 PM  

snuff3r: /obscure?


Like a house full of popcorn.
 
2012-07-01 11:58:43 PM  
LARGE HADRON COLLIDER?

I HARDLY KNEW HER!!!

/sorry got nuthin
 
2012-07-01 11:59:11 PM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-01 11:59:13 PM  

fragMasterFlash: "Not this shiat again..."


Oops...Ringshadow beat me to it.
 
2012-07-01 11:59:17 PM  

MasterAdkins: Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.


Gee, really? Good thing you were here to point that out.
 
2012-07-01 11:59:19 PM  
weknowmemes.com
 
2012-07-02 12:00:09 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 12:00:19 AM  

dahmers love zombie: snuff3r: [www.wired.com image 200x200]

"Kent, this is god."

/obscure?

On Fark? Really? Obscure?

/stop playing with yourself


You can never tell with this crowd. I would have been disappoint if it was but no-one had posted it, which was surprising.
 
2012-07-02 12:00:27 AM  

Ringshadow: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]

He can't reply, God. Sorry. Gordon doesn't talk.


Will I get in trouble for linking to Reddit?

/It's the "Goddamn particle". To the extent that it's the "god particle", it's the "GOD!" (exasperated yell) particle.

//At least with the popular-science name a new generation of stoner-mystics have something other than string theory to obsess over (and completely misinterpret).
 
2012-07-02 12:00:30 AM  
www.motifake.com
 
2012-07-02 12:01:26 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 12:02:24 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 12:03:04 AM  

phrawgh: Why can't all these smart people get together and pass a federal budget?


Anyone smart enough for politics is smart enough to stay out of politics.
 
2012-07-02 12:04:04 AM  

MasterAdkins: Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.


Actually, it was just a victim of censorship. The physicist who coined the term actually wanted to call it "the goddamn particle," but his editor changed it.
 
2012-07-02 12:05:27 AM  

Durendal: Steve Zodiac:

while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things.

Didn't they figure that neutrinos do have mass, even if it is incredibly slight?


LOL, Daily Fail
 
2012-07-02 12:06:30 AM  

GAT_00: cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you

The Daily Fail has decided to tell everyone what CERN is going to announce on Wednesday even though there's no leaked evidence that the Higgs bosun has been found.


Dude, there is leaked evidence of a Higgs Bosun discovery about every 3 days.
 
2012-07-02 12:07:45 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Physicists first predicted that the Higgs Boson subatomic particle exists 48 years ago.

So what gave atoms mass prior to 48 years ago?


Tiny lead weights.

/Higgs destroyed an entire industry overnight.
 
2012-07-02 12:08:47 AM  

MasterAdkins: Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.


Cripes.
Have more baggage.
 
2012-07-02 12:09:18 AM  

Majick Thise: I may also be wrong but I thought photons had a minuscule mass.... I thought that solar sails were a tech that was proven to work at least in theory.


Photons have zero mass, but they still carry kinetic energy. Similarly, a magnetic field has no mass, yet it also exchanges kinetic energy between charged particles that do have mass.
 
2012-07-02 12:13:27 AM  

phrawgh: Why can't all these smart people get together and pass a federal budget?


Because such a budget would weigh heavily on education and research and investment in the infrastructure, and thus would anger the sizable proportion of Americans who are morally opposed to book-learnin'?
 
2012-07-02 12:14:34 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-02 12:14:36 AM  
Old Spice means quality said the captain to the boson
 
2012-07-02 12:17:39 AM  

Nefarious: Pfft... let me know when they find a dog particle.


t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-02 12:17:45 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-07-02 12:18:29 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 12:18:40 AM  
The management at Cern want the two teams of scientists to reach the 'five sigma' level of certainty with their results - so they are 99.99995 per cent sure - such is the significance of the results.

Goddamn management. "Yeah, sure, we can get you more decimal points. We'll just go flog the scientists harder. Sorry, Law of Diminishing Rewhats?"

Fark Me To Tears
That means they don't know if they've found it.

Know how I know you have no idea how science works?
 
2012-07-02 12:19:03 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-07-02 12:22:07 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uknewimages.bwwstatic.com

I want the last check I write to bounce.
 
2012-07-02 12:22:09 AM  
funny-pictures-blog.com
 
2012-07-02 12:25:48 AM  

tarheel07: So it's a particle whose existence actually disproves the existence of God? Isn't it ironic?

/dontcha think?


By definition, anything supernatural is not provable or disprovable scientifically. So I would not consider that ironic, no.

I don't know who's responsible for the term 'God particle,' but it's an ill conceived term. It's got absolutely nothing to do with any gods, at least not any more or less than another other particles do.

I suppose the appellation comes from the fact that it's supposed to impart mass to other particles, and that's a very important thing to understand, critical to many scientific theories and puzzles, and doubtless many eventual breakthroughs and advances, too. But it's indulging in no little hyperbole to call this a godlike power, especially of a nonsentient subatomic particle. I know it's meant in jest, but there's just no way that it can't be misleading and even offensive to many laymen.
 
2012-07-02 12:26:03 AM  

snuff3r: dahmers love zombie: snuff3r: [www.wired.com image 200x200]

"Kent, this is god."

/obscure?

On Fark? Really? Obscure?

/stop playing with yourself

You can never tell with this crowd. I would have been disappoint if it was but no-one had posted it, which was surprising.


Well, the link to the youtube video of it had been posted, but I can see it getting passed over if it weren't investigated.

Link
 
2012-07-02 12:27:13 AM  
Well I guess someone's leaving a space on their mantlepiece for a Nobel prize or two.
 
2012-07-02 12:27:18 AM  
They spent millions on this shiat?? What a waste of time and money.

Why not spend that money on something useful - like education or porn?
 
2012-07-02 12:29:17 AM  

malaktaus: This has been reported in legitimate publications; why link to the Daily Fail? This isn't yet another story about a teacher farking a student or a girl with a mental disorder who will only eat pizza.


If you've found this or any similar story in more reputable journals, please do share them. I haven't found it anywhere else yet. I've got a suspicion there's no story here at all, it's just the Fail doing what it does best -- nothing informative. I didn't even bother reading it, I just came here for the physics talk and funny dog pictures.
 
2012-07-02 12:31:00 AM  
i3.ytimg.com

-I think we all know where this is heading...
 
2012-07-02 12:31:42 AM  

Ringshadow: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]

He can't reply, God. Sorry. Gordon doesn't talk.


img593.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-02 12:31:57 AM  

phrawgh: Why can't all these smart people get together and pass a federal budget?


Unfortunately, smart people have no inherent powers under the law just for being smart. Our democratic system requires that all citizens at least potentially have a voice in the process, and who gets to do what is fundamentally decided by popular vote. And it turns out that most citizens are not very smart, and don't elect smart people to do things like that.
 
2012-07-02 12:32:39 AM  

croesius: Well, the link to the youtube video of it had been posted, but I can see it getting passed over if it weren't investigated.

Link


The pitfalls of scanning fark threads at work ;p
 
2012-07-02 12:35:14 AM  

Jamdug!: [i2.kym-cdn.com image 500x765]


Best picture in the history of atomic particles.
 
2012-07-02 12:35:37 AM  

Steve Zodiac: Higgs is the name of the man who figured out what the mass/energy level of the particle which causes mass would have to be.


So is this Higgs Boson the elementary particle responsible for my toast always landing butter side down?

Because f*ck that particle.
 
2012-07-02 12:38:54 AM  
Excellent.
 
2012-07-02 12:43:57 AM  
If you were a kid in the 1970s...
farm2.staticflickr.com
Also, this is really exciting news!
 
2012-07-02 12:47:07 AM  

mc_madness: They spent millions on this shiat?? What a waste of time and money.

Why not spend that money on something useful - like education or porn?


They tried, but those sneaky scientists billed it under "education porn."
 
2012-07-02 12:47:19 AM  
Why hasn't God smote them?
 
2012-07-02 12:47:49 AM  
Has XTC made an appearance yet?
 
2012-07-02 12:48:13 AM  

tarheel07: So it's a particle whose existence actually disproves the existence of God? Isn't it ironic?


Which is exactly why it proves God DOES exist.

Haven't you ever heard of the Babel fish? This is the exact opposite.
 
2012-07-02 12:49:18 AM  

MadAzza: MasterAdkins: Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.

Gee, really? Good thing you were here to point that out.



See now you say that all sarcastically and yet:


tarheel07: So it's a particle whose existence actually disproves the existence of God? Isn't it ironic?

/dontcha think?



So yeah, maybe it was a good idea for someone to point that out right away.
 
2012-07-02 12:52:40 AM  

Dr.Zom: Has XTC made an appearance yet?


data.whicdn.com

;)
 
2012-07-02 12:55:14 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 12:59:46 AM  
but...but... so what gives the higgs boson ITS mass?
 
2012-07-02 01:03:18 AM  
dilbert.com
 
2012-07-02 01:05:07 AM  

wantingout: but...but... so what gives the higgs boson ITS mass?


Going by the maturity of this thread and the fact someone actually asked that question, I must inform you that it is your mom.
 
2012-07-02 01:05:18 AM  

wantingout: but...but... so what gives the higgs boson ITS mass?


It's bosons all the way down.
 
2012-07-02 01:05:52 AM  
Scientists 'will say they are 99.99% certain' the particle has been found

www.ocdqblog.com
 
2012-07-02 01:05:52 AM  
Since this is so close to when the search was scheduled to end, and they claimed they'd have found it by now, i'm expecting it to be a sales pitch for more funding and time. If you think it's hard to find jobs with a BA, try looking for work as a particle physicist. They'll say anything just to keep colliding particles there, even with numerous other colliders doing essentially the same thing.

The time would probably be better spent rethinking some aspects of the standard model, but they'll stubbornly cling to that like so many religious people do to the bible, no matter what evidence there is that it may be flawed.
 
2012-07-02 01:07:25 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Since this is so close to when the search was scheduled to end, and they claimed they'd have found it by now, i'm expecting it to be a sales pitch for more funding and time. If you think it's hard to find jobs with a BA, try looking for work as a particle physicist. They'll say anything just to keep colliding particles there, even with numerous other colliders doing essentially the same thing.

The time would probably be better spent rethinking some aspects of the standard model, but they'll stubbornly cling to that like so many religious people do to the bible, no matter what evidence there is that it may be flawed.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-02 01:07:51 AM  
all this talk of bosons and not one mention of Nadesico?
 
2012-07-02 01:09:01 AM  

SharkTrager: Dude, there is leaked evidence of a Higgs Bosun discovery about every 3 days.


So at least we have a pretty good estimate of it's half-life.
 
2012-07-02 01:09:02 AM  
the_chief: wantingout: but...but... so what gives the higgs boson ITS mass?

It's bosons all the way down.


YES! thats the answer i was looking for.
 
2012-07-02 01:09:38 AM  

snuff3r: "Kent, this is god."

/obscure?


This is the definition of non-obscure on Fark
 
2012-07-02 01:14:44 AM  
My guess is they will continue research, further their peer-related reviews, and get a scientific consensus of 99.9999% of all that they've observed, and will report it accordingly.

Then we'll get to spend the next 45 years arguing over it because it's a "theory," like evolution or gravity.
 
2012-07-02 01:15:24 AM  
So how exactly does this apply to faster than light interstellar travel, teleportation, instantaneous long-distance communication, human immortality, or infinite renewable energy?
 
2012-07-02 01:17:50 AM  
So, why is it called the God particle?
 
2012-07-02 01:19:03 AM  

revrendjim: Majick Thise: Steve Zodiac: light photons

I may also be wrong but I thought photons had a minuscule mass.... I thought that solar sails were a tech that was proven to work at least in theory. Google tells me that that do work but a very quick search doesn't confirm the 'mass' theory

No, photons have energy and momentum, but no mass.


home.comcast.net

Photons have no REST mass. Photons have kinetic energy and momentum, which means (A) they can push things, such as a solar sail, and (B) in SOME sense they do have mass (when they are in motion, which is to say, always).
 
2012-07-02 01:20:27 AM  

cmunic8r99: Obligatory



I so thought that was going to be largehardoncollider.jpg
 
2012-07-02 01:21:32 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, why is it called the God particle?


Cause some old guy called it the God Damn Particle one time and the name stuck.
 
2012-07-02 01:21:53 AM  
Aye, all this talk takes me back years and years.

I spent a summer working for a craggy old captain, maintaining the equipment on a shaggy old ore freighter. Captain Higgs was drunk most of the time, and I was going from maintenance project to maintenance project on a ship with no AC in the middle of the Pacific.

Sigh, I will always remember the summer I was Higg's bosun.

/It's not particles all the way down
//It's NOTHING at the bottom. The universe is zero.
 
2012-07-02 01:24:51 AM  

Dr.Zom: Has XTC made an appearance yet?


Sure, why the fark not?
 
2012-07-02 01:26:53 AM  
So. This is a Daily Fail article. Can we perhaps come up with independent confirmation of this discovery?
 
2012-07-02 01:31:53 AM  

make me some tea: So. This is a Daily Fail article. Can we perhaps come up with independent confirmation of this discovery?


How about these:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/scientists_may_announce_di s covery_7fQicFrVk8CX3DJwbSETsL

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/up-and-atom-seeking-science s -holy-grail-20120629-217xm.html

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/29/12488155-higgs-boson- b uzz-hits-new-high?lite

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9364832/Has-God-Parti c le-finally-been-found-Scientists-prepare-to-announce-new-results.html
 
2012-07-02 01:34:49 AM  

tarheel07: So it's a particle whose existence actually disproves the existence of God? Isn't it ironic?

/dontcha think?



That's the dumbest comment here.
 
2012-07-02 01:35:16 AM  

phrawgh: Deep Contact: So they found a smaller particle and then they will find an even smaller particle, you see where I'm going.

Yes. It's infinitesimal particles all the way down.


Seriously, has this ever been theorized?
 
2012-07-02 01:36:04 AM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-02 01:36:04 AM  

ciberido: SharkTrager: Dude, there is leaked evidence of a Higgs Bosun discovery about every 3 days.

So at least we have a pretty good estimate of it's its half-life.


FTFM

ITS not "it's"
 
2012-07-02 01:37:16 AM  

wildcardjack: Aye, all this talk takes me back years and years.

I spent a summer working for a craggy old captain, maintaining the equipment on a shaggy old ore freighter. Captain Higgs was drunk most of the time, and I was going from maintenance project to maintenance project on a ship with no AC in the middle of the Pacific.

Sigh, I will always remember the summer I was Higg's bosun.

/It's not particles all the way down
//It's NOTHING at the bottom. The universe is zero.


There's lot's to discover. You just need bosun mate,
 
2012-07-02 01:37:33 AM  
Hello Homer...this...is God...

images.wikia.com

...frey Jones.

/Can't believe we got 1000 dog pics, and I'm first to think this. Or at least comment!
 
2012-07-02 01:37:43 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 01:38:46 AM  

Need_MindBleach: phrawgh: Deep Contact: So they found a smaller particle and then they will find an even smaller particle, you see where I'm going.

Yes. It's infinitesimal particles all the way down.

Seriously, has this ever been theorized?


www.themodernword.com
 
2012-07-02 01:46:16 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, why is it called the God particle?


Because God created it in the bible.
 
2012-07-02 01:47:31 AM  

GAT_00: there's no leaked evidence that the Higgs bosun has been found.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Did you try Mama Gkika's?

/you meant boson
 
2012-07-02 01:47:50 AM  
Hello, Stick?
Let me just poke into the dark with you.
OOhh, lookie that. That makes me think of some cool chit I can make up.
 
2012-07-02 01:53:01 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 01:53:22 AM  

tarheel07: So it's a particle whose existence actually disproves the existence of God? Isn't it ironic?

/dontcha think?


No.
 
2012-07-02 01:56:51 AM  

Empty Matchbook: Hello Homer...this...is God...

...frey Jones.

/Can't believe we got 1000 dog pics, and I'm first to think this. Or at least comment!


First thing I thought of when I read the headline.

/Classic episode.
//Gummi Venus - the rarest gummi of them all.
///Sweet sweet can-
///OK I'll stop now.
 
2012-07-02 01:58:39 AM  

Empty Matchbook: Hello Homer...this...is God...

[images.wikia.com image 506x378]

...frey Jones.

/Can't believe we got 1000 dog pics, and I'm first to think this. Or at least comment!


TheManofPA above did a "..frey Jones" comment.
 
2012-07-02 01:59:41 AM  

ciberido: revrendjim: Majick Thise: Steve Zodiac: light photons

I may also be wrong but I thought photons had a minuscule mass.... I thought that solar sails were a tech that was proven to work at least in theory. Google tells me that that do work but a very quick search doesn't confirm the 'mass' theory

No, photons have energy and momentum, but no mass.

[home.comcast.net image 204x211]
home.comcast.net
Photons have no REST mass. Photons have kinetic energy and momentum, which means (A) they can push things, such as a solar sail, and (B) in SOME sense they do have mass (when they are in motion, which is to say, always).


You've pictured a Crookes radiometer, which is often claimed to demonstrate radiation pressure, but it doesn't. Reynolds (of the Reynolds Number) explained that there's a small-scale effect at the boundary of a plate with a temp difference from one surface to another, which occurs over a specific range of vacuums (the Crookes radiometer will not operate at high vacuum).
 
2012-07-02 02:02:09 AM  
There's no Higgs-Bosun. The Universe is held together by Love, you silly people!
 
2012-07-02 02:02:50 AM  
Also obligatory

/Tha' LHC is supa'-dupa' fly...
 
2012-07-02 02:03:40 AM  
sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-02 02:10:12 AM  
I can't help but think every time I read "Higgs Boson" that changing just one letter to an 'n' would yield a fantastic nom de plume for my soon-to-be-released Gospel music companions, to be sold on Amazon.
 
2012-07-02 02:16:30 AM  
Honestly, they gave this the lamest name.

Star Trek TOS has photon torpedoes.

Star Wars had proton torpedoes.

Star Trek (DS9 IIRC) introduced "quantum" torpedoes. And Star Trek has been mentioning neutrinos for quite some time.

When are they gonna bring in a "boson-based" weapon? Never. Because it sounds stupid.

I'm not saying they've dissed Star Trek because of this. I'm just saying this is evidence that the name's stupid. People as a whole don't understand the nature or significance of this work, but they still give money for things that are "cool".

You gave it a stupid, unusable name. You blew it.
 
2012-07-02 02:21:59 AM  
Well, obviously the god particle is the one that wonders around in a beard and robe; performing miracles and such. Exciting particles, providing electrons, creating energy and other such miracles to the world's needy atoms and subatomic particles.

/ I keed, I keed

// have you been touched by his infinitely small appendage?
 
2012-07-02 02:23:53 AM  

Oznog: Honestly, they gave this the lamest name.

Star Trek TOS has photon torpedoes.

Star Wars had proton torpedoes.

Star Trek (DS9 IIRC) introduced "quantum" torpedoes. And Star Trek has been mentioning neutrinos for quite some time.

When are they gonna bring in a "boson-based" weapon? Never. Because it sounds stupid.

I'm not saying they've dissed Star Trek because of this. I'm just saying this is evidence that the name's stupid. People as a whole don't understand the nature or significance of this work, but they still give money for things that are "cool".

You gave it a stupid, unusable name. You blew it.


A wise man once said the same about the Big Bang and offered a new moniker. Unfortunately, the only being he told was his stuffed tiger.
 
2012-07-02 02:26:15 AM  

snuff3r: dahmers love zombie: snuff3r: [www.wired.com image 200x200]

"Kent, this is god."

/obscure?

On Fark? Really? Obscure?

/stop playing with yourself

You can never tell with this crowd. I would have been disappoint if it was but no-one had posted it, which was surprising.


Maybe this will be slightly more obscure.

rantyyustinadewi.files.wordpress.com

It's for you sir, it's God. He says we should have girls here at Welton.
 
2012-07-02 02:35:10 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 02:38:41 AM  

belhade: Maybe this will be slightly more obscure.

[rantyyustinadewi.files.wordpress.com image 480x307]

It's for you sir, it's God. He says we should have girls here at Welton.


Not particularly obscure, no. Neither is this one, I don't think.

i48.tinypic.com

Don't squeeze the Charmin.

/Tangentially related
 
2012-07-02 02:48:19 AM  

GAT_00: The Daily Fail has decided to tell everyone what CERN is going to announce on Wednesday even though there's no leaked evidence that the Higgs bosun has been found.


Last year they announced that one of the LHC detectors indicated it found it to a three sigma level of certainty, that means the data indicates it's 99.7% certain they found it. Another detector produced data that was good for 4 sigma, that's better than 99.9 percent certainly. What they want, is five sigma. And no reason to think they haven't gotten there.

J. Frank Parnell: Since this is so close to when the search was scheduled to end,


The search had no stated end time, and given how much other stuff the LHC is looking for, there's no issues of funding or any such.
 
2012-07-02 02:50:09 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 02:52:22 AM  
Oh haha, random memes that are years old. Now Fark is like every other forum.
 
2012-07-02 02:53:14 AM  
The "Large Hardon Collider" sounds pretty painful.
 
2012-07-02 02:53:21 AM  

Oznog: Honestly, they gave this the lamest name.

Star Trek TOS has photon torpedoes.

Star Wars had proton torpedoes.

Star Trek (DS9 IIRC) introduced "quantum" torpedoes. And Star Trek has been mentioning neutrinos for quite some time.

When are they gonna bring in a "boson-based" weapon? Never. Because it sounds stupid.

I'm not saying they've dissed Star Trek because of this. I'm just saying this is evidence that the name's stupid. People as a whole don't understand the nature or significance of this work, but they still give money for things that are "cool".

You gave it a stupid, unusable name. You blew it.


The Boson is a class of subatomic particles. They were named after an Indian scientist named Satyendra Nath Bose, in 1947, long before star trek.

So, it is a boson, and they couldnt exactly call it a fermion or a muon or a quark or a lepton, or something that it wasnt.
 
2012-07-02 02:53:31 AM  
So these theoretical particles, which have yet to be observed, but whose effects on other particles have been observed - is it possible that they aren't physical particles at all?

Maybe they are operating instructions. Code in other words. Information, bits and bytes, not physical at all.

God is a giant nerd.
 
2012-07-02 02:55:47 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 03:00:11 AM  
Oh God. Why hast Thou forsaken me?


/My mass is so much larger than when i was a younger man.
//Got nuthin;.
 
2012-07-02 03:12:56 AM  

Amigajoe: [i3.ytimg.com image 480x360]


What is this freaky thing? It looks vaguely familiar.
 
2012-07-02 03:13:00 AM  

Oznog: Honestly, they gave this the lamest name.

Star Trek TOS has photon torpedoes.

Star Wars had proton torpedoes.

Star Trek (DS9 IIRC) introduced "quantum" torpedoes. And Star Trek has been mentioning neutrinos for quite some time.

When are they gonna bring in a "boson-based" weapon? Never. Because it sounds stupid.

I'm not saying they've dissed Star Trek because of this. I'm just saying this is evidence that the name's stupid. People as a whole don't understand the nature or significance of this work, but they still give money for things that are "cool".

You gave it a stupid, unusable name. You blew it.


They used a Higg's field as a weapon in Solaris.
 
2012-07-02 03:23:51 AM  
fark god.
 
2012-07-02 03:34:28 AM  

mav160: [go.sky.com image 450x250]

"the mathematics of wonton burrito meals...got it"


Absolutely brilliant. Enjoy the Total Fark sponsorship!
 
2012-07-02 03:39:46 AM  
"Do my Bosons give you a Hadron?"
 
2012-07-02 03:49:08 AM  
uh, is this a case of affecting what you observe??


/some scientists are notorious for that...
 
2012-07-02 04:10:38 AM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-02 04:24:43 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 04:44:22 AM  

ciberido: Photons have no REST mass. Photons have kinetic energy and momentum, which means (A) they can push things, such as a solar sail, and (B) in SOME sense they do have mass (when they are in motion, which is to say, always).


The radiometer you pictured demonstrates the momentum of air molecules bouncing off the vane. Not photons.
 
2012-07-02 04:46:54 AM  

Steve Zodiac: cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you

I will probably get part of this wrong, but here is my understanding. Under the Standard Model of Quantum physics, all forces are really particles which interact with with atoms, or parts of atoms. So electricity, magnetism, nuclear forces (strong and weak) and gravity are all caused by the interaction of particles on atoms. The holy grail of physics is to find one theory which explains all 4 forces (nuclear, gravity, etc). Magnetism and electricity were actually explained as different aspects of the same force by a man named Maxwell in the 1860's. The nuclear forces were figured out in the 1920's and 30's, and they were tied to the electro-magnetic theory in 50's thru the 70's. Gravity has not been integrated into this theory. One of the problems with the particle theory of force is why do some things have mass (you, me, stars, planets, etc) while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things which have been proven to exist but to the best of our measurement (which keeps getting better) do not have mass. For simplistic purposes, consider mass to be what we 'weigh' when we put something on a weight scale. Photons would not ever weigh anything, no matter how massive a planet or sun their weight was measured on. Gravity can affect these items but cannot not make them 'weigh' anything, or more accurately, have any mass. The Higgs Boson is a theoretical particle which would allow this type of behavior to occur. It is that particle which causes things to have mass, at least theoretically, by interacting with atoms or the components of atoms. Scientists were able to predict that IF the Higgs Boson existed it had to be found at a certain energy level. The Large Hadron Collider is the first man made detector capable of producing the energy required to find the Higgs Boson. If they found it within the energy range that theory predicted then it may finally allow physicists to tie ...


GAT_00: cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you

The Daily Fail has decided to tell everyone what CERN is going to announce on Wednesday even though there's no leaked evidence that the Higgs bosun has been found.


Could not be more on point both of these. Good show!
 
2012-07-02 04:51:27 AM  

MasterAdkins: Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.


Religion is the opiate of them asses.
 
2012-07-02 04:57:56 AM  

Max Awesome: So these theoretical particles, which have yet to be observed, but whose effects on other particles have been observed - is it possible that they aren't physical particles at all?



It is a quanta (smallest possible component) of a field. Quanta are more commonly referred to as "particles" for ease of conversation. In a general sense, all "particles" have a wave-particle duality, and thus aren't strictly just tiny little bb like things.
 
2012-07-02 05:36:14 AM  

Steve Zodiac: cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you

I will probably get part of this wrong, but here is my understanding. Under the Standard Model of Quantum physics, all forces are really particles which interact with with atoms, or parts of atoms. So electricity, magnetism, nuclear forces (strong and weak) and gravity are all caused by the interaction of particles on atoms. The holy grail of physics is to find one theory which explains all 4 forces (nuclear, gravity, etc). Magnetism and electricity were actually explained as different aspects of the same force by a man named Maxwell in the 1860's. The nuclear forces were figured out in the 1920's and 30's, and they were tied to the electro-magnetic theory in 50's thru the 70's. Gravity has not been integrated into this theory. One of the problems with the particle theory of force is why do some things have mass (you, me, stars, planets, etc) while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things which have been proven to exist but to the best of our measurement (which keeps getting better) do not have mass. For simplistic purposes, consider mass to be what we 'weigh' when we put something on a weight scale. Photons would not ever weigh anything, no matter how massive a planet or sun their weight was measured on. Gravity can affect these items but cannot not make them 'weigh' anything, or more accurately, have any mass. The Higgs Boson is a theoretical particle which would allow this type of behavior to occur. It is that particle which causes things to have mass, at least theoretically, by interacting with atoms or the components of atoms. Scientists were able to predict that IF the Higgs Boson existed it had to be found at a certain energy level. The Large Hadron Collider is the first man made detector capable of producing the energy required to find the Higgs Boson. If they found it within the energy range that theory predicted then it may finally allow physicists to tie ...


A few things:

1. While force carriers can be envisioned as particles, they can also be envisioned as waves ala wave particle duality
2. Electricity and Magnetism were indeed combined into one force known as electromagnetism.
3, Neutrinos do have mass, but it is very very small

To fill in a bit on the Higgs Boson and how it is theorised to exist, imagine a room full of Farkers that are spread evenly across the room equally distant from all other Farkers. Now imagine that a walking beer creature enters at one side and walks across the room to the otherside. Farkers near the beer monster will then 'gravitate' towards it, and as it moves past, the farker will return to their original position. Now replace Farker with Higgs Boson and beer monster with thing that should have mass and you get a simple explanation of what the Higgs field is.
 
2012-07-02 05:48:27 AM  

wantingout: but...but... so what gives the higgs boson ITS mass?


The short answer for why a Higgs particle has mass is the same for all other particles that have mass - interaction with the Higgs field gives it mass.

That may seem recursive, but this is clarified by understanding that it is somewhat misleading to say that Higgs particles themselves cause mass. The Higgs particle is the quantum force carrier for the Higgs field. (Like a gravitational or electromagnetic field. Only the Higgs permeates all of space.) It is the Higgs field that causes mass. Not interaction with an individual Higgs boson per se. That is, mass is a measurement of how strongly a particle interacts with the Higgs field.

So, since a Higgs particle is a quantum of a field, in the same way a photon is a quantum of an electromagnetic field, the same goes for the Higgs particle itself - it interacts with the Higgs field it is part of. Just like how a photon interacts with an electromagnetic field it is part of.
 
2012-07-02 06:01:46 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Since this is so close to when the search was scheduled to end, and they claimed they'd have found it by now, i'm expecting it to be a sales pitch for more funding and time. If you think it's hard to find jobs with a BA, try looking for work as a particle physicist. They'll say anything just to keep colliding particles there, even with numerous other colliders doing essentially the same thing.

The time would probably be better spent rethinking some aspects of the standard model, but they'll stubbornly cling to that like so many religious people do to the bible, no matter what evidence there is that it may be flawed.


In the words of Richard Feynman, "This isn't right, it isn't even wrong."
 
2012-07-02 06:21:38 AM  

erik-k: In the words of Richard Feynman Wolfgang Pauli, "This isn't right, it isn't even wrong."


Not to take away from Feynman though.
 
2012-07-02 06:48:24 AM  
chzjustcapshunz.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-02 06:49:43 AM  
Fark is now discussing confirmation of a major scientific hypothesis, as announced in the Daily Fail. Independent confirmation will be announced in the National Enquirer.
 
2012-07-02 06:51:34 AM  
 
2012-07-02 06:54:03 AM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-02 07:05:51 AM  

MasterAdkins: someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.


Unlike everyone else, I see what you did there.

/+1
 
2012-07-02 07:07:29 AM  

larrycot: I have irrefutable proof that humans never actually mature beyond 12 years of age.

I can't read Large Hadron Collider without unintentionally transposing it to Hardon.

/It's a small sample size
//Need to go write a grant


A small sample size?

Funny that's what your wife said too..
 
2012-07-02 07:14:08 AM  
According to the first line of TFA it was at a press conference all this time. Did anyone think to LOOK there before we built all those expensive particle accelerators?
 
2012-07-02 07:15:19 AM  

tchjdaedn: phrawgh: Why can't all these smart people get together and pass a federal budget?

Anyone smart enough for politics is smart enough to stay out of politics.


Personally, I think elected office should be more like Jury Duty. Who serves is picked at random from the voter roles.
 
2012-07-02 07:32:53 AM  
i235.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 07:44:51 AM  
flvrd.com
 
2012-07-02 08:07:03 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: I would be impressed if they did find God, in particular.

I'd also have a few choice words for Him.


I'd ask Him what He needs with a starship.
 
2012-07-02 08:24:35 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-02 08:34:03 AM  

revrendjim: Majick Thise: Steve Zodiac: light photons

I may also be wrong but I thought photons had a minuscule mass.... I thought that solar sails were a tech that was proven to work at least in theory. Google tells me that that do work but a very quick search doesn't confirm the 'mass' theory

No, photons have energy and momentum, but no mass.


Correction, they have no rest mass. They do have mass however do to their energy level, E=hf and E=mc^2 so therefore hf = mc^2

This is why not only does light bend around the sun but you also see a doppler shift (change in color) because they loose or gain some energy as they do a slingshot around the sun.
 
2012-07-02 08:57:39 AM  

HotWingAgenda: So how exactly does this apply to faster than light interstellar travel, teleportation, instantaneous long-distance communication, human immortality, or infinite renewable energy?


OK, I will attempt to actually put the whole Higgs Boson thing into simplified terms... please note that my description could enrage an actual physicist, and I am possibly making a few assumptions here that a true scientist wouldnt.

Everything you are, and the entire world you know, is held together by electromagnetism and gravity. Electromagnetism is what makes your atoms stick together directly to each other (or what repels them). When you try to push your hand through a brick wall, and the wall stops your hand, thats electromagnetism at work.

Now, thing is, by looking at how gravity pulls at everything in the universe, we've discovered an... inconsistency. Turns out, there is a LOT more "stuff" in existence alllll around us, stuff that we humans cannot see or touch. As a matter of fact, somewhere around 83% of the universe is made up of this stuff.. we call it "dark matter". We are literally floating around in a giant, spacey ocean of dark matter. Dark matter, is not electromagnetic. Because our world is made up of electromagnetic particles... and dark matter is not, we literally just... pass through this stuff, like its not even there. BUT... we know it is there, because for some reason, it still has gravity.

So.... what are they doing at CERN? Well, basically we figure that by bashing subatomic particles together at very high speed (ie using a bunch of energy), we can break through this barrier and interact with dark matter, and dark energy. We can pop things seemingly in and out of existence. This is what scientists mostly are claiming with Higgs Boson... that we are "creating matter" or some such... creating a piece of something with more mass than you started with. My personal belief, as well as some physicists, is that we're just directly interacting with dark matter more so than creating something from nothing.

So to answer your original question... there is TONS of dark matter and dark energy allll around us, and inside us, so if we can figure out how to manipulate it in a controlled way, it truly could open up new energy sources, new methods of making things, etc etc. We really dont know, but the possibilities are incredible.

/PS dark energy is attributed to the expansion of the universe as well.... while most people view The Big Bang as an explosion, it was not... it was an expansion, and its dark energy thats pushing everything away from everything else... at the same time that gravity tries to hold us together. Which is interesting, because dark matter has gravity too. Oh, you silly universe you.
 
2012-07-02 09:01:09 AM  

cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you


there has been no announcement yet, this is idle speculation, come back Wednesday
 
2012-07-02 09:05:55 AM  
FTFA: "Scientists at Cern will announce that the elusive Higgs boson 'God Particle' has been found at a press conference next week, it is believed."

Is it really asking so much that news agencies (and I use the term loosely in the case of the Daily Mail) wait to report on something until it actually is news?

/Will they reprint this exact same story next week, except without the part I bolded?
 
2012-07-02 09:08:02 AM  
Sorry, got distracted by all the HELLO! This is Dog! pics...

Serious question though... Saw they find it, how exactly would that change anything other than our understanding of how certain stuff interacts? Can this lead towards something like how to contain fusion or develop warp drives?

/This are serious cat, this are serious questions!
 
2012-07-02 09:19:50 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: revrendjim: Majick Thise: Steve Zodiac: light photons

I may also be wrong but I thought photons had a minuscule mass.... I thought that solar sails were a tech that was proven to work at least in theory. Google tells me that that do work but a very quick search doesn't confirm the 'mass' theory

No, photons have energy and momentum, but no mass.

Correction, they have no rest mass. They do have mass however do to their energy level, E=hf and E=mc^2 so therefore hf = mc^2

This is why not only does light bend around the sun but you also see a doppler shift (change in color) because they loose or gain some energy as they do a slingshot around the sun.


No. When we talk about the mass of a particle we mean its rest mass. The m in E=mc2 is commonly defined as rest mass and therefore that equation does not apply to photons.(The full equation is E2 = m2c4 + p2c2, where p is momentum, and since m=0 for photons it reduces to E = pc).
 
2012-07-02 09:20:39 AM  

MasterAdkins: Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.


So glad I read the article and got the joke :)
 
2012-07-02 09:27:49 AM  
God's not here, man.
 
2012-07-02 09:31:33 AM  

KellyX: Serious question though... Saw they find it, how exactly would that change anything other than our understanding of how certain stuff interacts?


It doesn't change anything so much as help confirm what it is we think we already have figured out. There are a lot of important concepts in the Standard Model that depend on eventually confirming that a Higgs-like particle exists.

Once it is confirmed, we can move ahead to study ever more interesting refinements to our model. But not finding it would mean seriously questioning a lot of stuff we thought we knew up to now.


KellyX: Can this lead towards something like how to contain fusion or develop warp drives?


Eventually, perhaps. In the same sense that Newton's insights into classical motion in 1687 lead toward orbital space stations.
 
2012-07-02 09:39:38 AM  
"WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE"
 
2012-07-02 09:41:40 AM  

Mugato: Margaret


bloody hell
 
2012-07-02 09:43:05 AM  
i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 09:50:25 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: KellyX: Serious question though... Saw they find it, how exactly would that change anything other than our understanding of how certain stuff interacts?

It doesn't change anything so much as help confirm what it is we think we already have figured out. There are a lot of important concepts in the Standard Model that depend on eventually confirming that a Higgs-like particle exists.

Once it is confirmed, we can move ahead to study ever more interesting refinements to our model. But not finding it would mean seriously questioning a lot of stuff we thought we knew up to now.


KellyX: Can this lead towards something like how to contain fusion or develop warp drives?

Eventually, perhaps. In the same sense that Newton's insights into classical motion in 1687 lead toward orbital space stations.


So for now this just advances our understanding of the universe's rules basically... Well, here's hoping they use the particle accelerator for something else that advances us technologically now!
 
2012-07-02 10:21:21 AM  

TheManofPA: frey Jones


Came for this and nothing else.


/swee-swee-swee-sweet can.....
 
2012-07-02 10:33:06 AM  

Alonjar: Everything you are, and the entire world you know, is held together by electromagnetism and gravity. Electromagnetism is what makes your atoms stick together directly to each other (or what repels them). When you try to push your hand through a brick wall, and the wall stops your hand, thats electromagnetism at work.


Close, but there are four fundamental forces in the universe and the Strong Force (or Strong interaction) is the one that keeps the atoms together:

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980127c.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction#Strong_interact io n

I think the discovery of the Higgs particle would allow us to manipulate mass and therefore gravity. Maybe to have gravity in spaceships?
 
2012-07-02 10:36:24 AM  

Max Awesome: [i42.photobucket.com image 400x533]


Hmm, first thought was you were in Texas, but checking your profile says a bit further north.

We have tons of those critters here - we call them "Texas Tans".
 
2012-07-02 10:59:50 AM  
This is awesome (if it's true).

BUT...

Can anyone give a few examples of how we might be able to apply this information in a practical way? Obviously, it's going to take years and years and years of research and development, but, what are scientists talking about doing with this?

Would it be possible to manipulate the Higgs field? Are we talking about making near mass-less spacecraft for long distance travel? What's the potential here?

(please don't restrict your answer to what we can do currently... I'm talking stuff we'll be able to do with this if we can get our tech advanced enough. Say, 50-100 or so in the future)

/excited
//slightly confused
 
2012-07-02 11:11:29 AM  

KellyX: Well, here's hoping they use the particle accelerator for something else that advances us technologically now!


I hear ya. A safe sustainable source of power would be nice. It's hard to even imagine how many problems cheap virtually infinite power would solve - food, housing, clean water, the environment, feasible space travel, the works.

Particle physics like this, however, is pretty much the ultra-bleeding edge of knowledge. Unlike applied sciences, the payoff here is probably extremely long term. If the human species is still around a thousand years from now, they will benefit greatly from the work being done today, just like we benefit from the work of Euclid in 300BC. Though the average person in Euclid's time benefited very little from him sitting around thinking amazing things. Applied engineering, like how to smelt iron was of far greater practical impact in the short term.
 
2012-07-02 11:12:02 AM  

WhyteRaven74: The search had no stated end time, and given how much other stuff the LHC is looking for, there's no issues of funding or any such.


Check this out. Although you're right about it not being a matter of funding. They just have to shut it down for a year to replace magnets and whatnot.

/still a matter of refusing to question the standard model
 
2012-07-02 11:26:24 AM  

nytmare: [24.media.tumblr.com image 220x1100]


VoIP? wat can come of it
 
2012-07-02 11:51:29 AM  

revrendjim: Durendal: Steve Zodiac:

while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things.

Didn't they figure that neutrinos do have mass, even if it is incredibly slight?

Yes and it resolves the solar neutrino problem by allowing them to change to any one of the three species.


Gotta catch 'em all!
 
2012-07-02 11:53:59 AM  

malaktaus: This has been reported in legitimate publications; why link to the Daily Fail? This isn't yet another story about a teacher farking a student or a girl with a mental disorder who will only eat pizza.


whatshisname: The Higgs boson is regarded as the key to understanding the universe.

Bullshiat. What a pile of careless, sloppy, sensationalist science writing.


You two should talk.
 
2012-07-02 12:09:51 PM  

El Morro: how we might be able to apply this information in a practical way? Obviously, it's going to take years and years and years of research and development, but, what are scientists talking about doing with this?

Would it be possible to manipulate the Higgs field? Are we talking about making near mass-less spacecraft for long distance travel? What's the potential here?


Well, to an extent, I'm not sure we know. It could turn out to be useless.

Think of it this way: When we first discovered electricity and magnetism (and even when we linked the two) they were... novelties. Fairly useless outside a VERY small range.

Or how the greeks figured out steam power, but didn't really use it for crap.

But now....

It's really hard to predict where discoveries will lead. That's one of the reasons we call it research, and not engineering. =)
 
2012-07-02 12:12:15 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: KellyX: Well, here's hoping they use the particle accelerator for something else that advances us technologically now!

I hear ya. A safe sustainable source of power would be nice. It's hard to even imagine how many problems cheap virtually infinite power would solve - food, housing, clean water, the environment, feasible space travel, the works.

Particle physics like this, however, is pretty much the ultra-bleeding edge of knowledge. Unlike applied sciences, the payoff here is probably extremely long term. If the human species is still around a thousand years from now, they will benefit greatly from the work being done today, just like we benefit from the work of Euclid in 300BC. Though the average person in Euclid's time benefited very little from him sitting around thinking amazing things. Applied engineering, like how to smelt iron was of far greater practical impact in the short term.


You never know though. We found a good microscopy use for quantum tunnelling, for example. I feel like engineering may be catcing up, on a macro trend kind of scale, to the that bleeding edge.

/just a hunch, though
//no, it's pronounced eyegor
 
2012-07-02 12:26:08 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: /still a matter of refusing to question the standard model


Nobody is refusing to question the standard model. It doesn't even include gravity, for one obvious brick in the face example. So we know with certainty it is woefully incomplete. And there are several other nagging problems with it than just that one.

It is a good platform for further improvement. For now, the standard model is like the stable boring 1.0 release version, but missing a lot of features we really want. Supersymmetry models are the unstable 2.1 beta test version. String theories are in the vaporware stage for version 6.0 down the line.

The going may get tough at that point, because it is probably not a physical possibility to directly measure strings and small dimensions, like we do with particles now. We will have to start getting clever. Right now we are fumbling around with the really easy obvious stuff.
 
2012-07-02 12:29:12 PM  

Steve Zodiac: cman: Can someone dumb it down even more for a moron like me? Thank you

I will probably get part of this wrong, but here is my understanding. Under the Standard Model of Quantum physics, all forces are really particles which interact with with atoms, or parts of atoms. So electricity, magnetism, nuclear forces (strong and weak) and gravity are all caused by the interaction of particles on atoms. The holy grail of physics is to find one theory which explains all 4 forces (nuclear, gravity, etc). Magnetism and electricity were actually explained as different aspects of the same force by a man named Maxwell in the 1860's. The nuclear forces were figured out in the 1920's and 30's, and they were tied to the electro-magnetic theory in 50's thru the 70's. Gravity has not been integrated into this theory. One of the problems with the particle theory of force is why do some things have mass (you, me, stars, planets, etc) while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things which have been proven to exist but to the best of our measurement (which keeps getting better) do not have mass. For simplistic purposes, consider mass to be what we 'weigh' when we put something on a weight scale. Photons would not ever weigh anything, no matter how massive a planet or sun their weight was measured on. Gravity can affect these items but cannot not make them 'weigh' anything, or more accurately, have any mass. The Higgs Boson is a theoretical particle which would allow this type of behavior to occur. It is that particle which causes things to have mass, at least theoretically, by interacting with atoms or the components of atoms. Scientists were able to predict that IF the Higgs Boson existed it had to be found at a certain energy level. The Large Hadron Collider is the first man made detector capable of producing the energy required to find the Higgs Boson. If they found it within the energy range that theory predicted then it may finally allow physicists to tie ...


Higgs Boson creates Mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-07-02 12:35:42 PM  

Sid_6.7: MasterAdkins: someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.

Unlike everyone else, I see what you did there.

/+1


Aaagh! *forehead smack*
 
2012-07-02 12:36:04 PM  

Mose: You never know though. We found a good microscopy use for quantum tunnelling, for example. I feel like engineering may be catcing up, on a macro trend kind of scale, to the that bleeding edge.


Okay, yeah, point taken. Now that you mention it, MRI scanners are another good example. We barely understand what magnetic resonance really is at the quantum level, yet we have engineered an incredibly useful practical tool from it already.
 
2012-07-02 12:44:25 PM  

Sid_6.7: MasterAdkins: someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.

Unlike everyone else, I see what you did there.

/+1


I, too, was disappointed in the proportion of seers what he did there.
 
2012-07-02 12:52:14 PM  

charro: Alonjar: Everything you are, and the entire world you know, is held together by electromagnetism and gravity. Electromagnetism is what makes your atoms stick together directly to each other (or what repels them). When you try to push your hand through a brick wall, and the wall stops your hand, thats electromagnetism at work.

Close, but there are four fundamental forces in the universe and the Strong Force (or Strong interaction) is the one that keeps the atoms together:

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980127c.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction#Strong_interact io n

I think the discovery of the Higgs particle would allow us to manipulate mass and therefore gravity. Maybe to have gravity in spaceships?


If we could really manipulate gravity, we could make wormholes. That's more valuable than spaceships.
 
2012-07-02 12:53:45 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: ...the average person in Euclid's time benefited very little from him sitting around thinking amazing things. Applied engineering, like how to smelt iron was of far greater practical impact in the short term.


Architecture would like a word with you.
 
2012-07-02 01:07:49 PM  

charro: Alonjar: Everything you are, and the entire world you know, is held together by electromagnetism and gravity. Electromagnetism is what makes your atoms stick together directly to each other (or what repels them). When you try to push your hand through a brick wall, and the wall stops your hand, thats electromagnetism at work.

Close, but there are four fundamental forces in the universe and the Strong Force (or Strong interaction) is the one that keeps the atoms together:

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980127c.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction#Strong_interact io n

I think the discovery of the Higgs particle would allow us to manipulate mass and therefore gravity. Maybe to have gravity in spaceships?


Gravity in ships? Why not gravity-driven ships like in Asimov's Foundation series?
 
2012-07-02 01:11:13 PM  
This doesn't bode well for Robert Langdon.
 
2012-07-02 01:12:14 PM  

Max Awesome: [i42.photobucket.com image 549x1023]


lh3.googleusercontent.com

That looks like my Coonhound Sadie...why is she using the payphone to call Dog and not her cell phone?
 
2012-07-02 01:24:35 PM  
i14.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 01:51:22 PM  

TXEric: Max Awesome: [i42.photobucket.com image 400x533]

Hmm, first thought was you were in Texas, but checking your profile says a bit further north.

We have tons of those critters here - we call them "Texas Tans".


Really? Holy crap. I was hoping it was a fake horriblegiantspiderthing. *shudder*
 
2012-07-02 01:53:25 PM  

Nefarious: Pfft... let me know when they find a dog particle.


Your God wants kaets
 
2012-07-02 01:59:11 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: The Daily Fail has decided to tell everyone what CERN is going to announce on Wednesday even though there's no leaked evidence that the Higgs bosun has been found.

Last year they announced that one of the LHC detectors indicated it found it to a three sigma level of certainty, that means the data indicates it's 99.7% certain they found it. Another detector produced data that was good for 4 sigma, that's better than 99.9 percent certainly. What they want, is five sigma. And no reason to think they haven't gotten there.


Yeah, but they're still going to have to write the article and then it will be reviewed by other physicists and then it will have to be re-produced at another location before it becomes part of the dogma.
 
2012-07-02 02:15:44 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: phrawgh: Why can't all these smart people get together and pass a federal budget?

Unfortunately, smart people have no inherent powers under the law just for being smart. Our democratic system requires that all citizens at least potentially have a voice in the process, and who gets to do what is fundamentally decided by popular vote. And it turns out that most citizens are not very smart, and don't elect smart people to do things like that.


And also, this isn't in the United States. The US is only one of MANY contributors to the LHC, and not the biggest by any means.
 
2012-07-02 02:20:46 PM  

MrCheeks: Max Awesome: [i42.photobucket.com image 549x1023]

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 640x584]

That looks like my Coonhound Sadie...why is she using the payphone to call Dog and not her cell phone?


I'm looking to buy a coonhound next year to protect my chickens. Would yours simply eat them, or are they the miracle I have read about?

/is serious
//email in profile
 
2012-07-02 02:21:45 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, why is it called the God particle?


www.jesterjournal.com

It's not... It's actually called "The Lloyd Particle"...
 
2012-07-02 02:47:37 PM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-02 02:55:45 PM  

AmberDempsey: Empty Matchbook: Hello Homer...this...is God...

...frey Jones.

/Can't believe we got 1000 dog pics, and I'm first to think this. Or at least comment!

First thing I thought of when I read the headline.

/Classic episode.
//Gummi Venus - the rarest gummi of them all.
///Sweet sweet can-
///OK I'll stop now.


Swee-swee-swwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeet

Dunit: Empty Matchbook:

TheManofPA above did a "..frey Jones" comment.


Damn...cards on the table: I WAS just skimming.
 
2012-07-02 03:31:22 PM  
What about the Bosun chair?


i257.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-02 03:34:45 PM  
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but can't this particle be accurately described as a "graviton?"
 
2012-07-02 04:14:32 PM  

intelligent comment below: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but can't this particle be accurately described as a "graviton?"


Not quite. It attributes mass, not gravity as such.
 
2012-07-02 04:22:03 PM  

intelligent comment below: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but can't this particle be accurately described as a "graviton?"


I wonder of you could think of a graviton as an interaction between two different forces that contain Higgs-Bosun particles.

/I could be even more wrong.
 
2012-07-02 04:49:52 PM  
mobile.mmm.dk
 
2012-07-02 05:13:08 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-02 05:49:30 PM  

Wangiss: MrCheeks: Max Awesome: [i42.photobucket.com image 549x1023]

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 640x584]

That looks like my Coonhound Sadie...why is she using the payphone to call Dog and not her cell phone?

I'm looking to buy a coonhound next year to protect my chickens. Would yours simply eat them, or are they the miracle I have read about?

/is serious
//email in profile


Your email appears to not work...
 
2012-07-02 06:00:18 PM  

Benni K Rok: intelligent comment below: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but can't this particle be accurately described as a "graviton?"

I wonder of you could think of a graviton as an interaction between two different forces that contain Higgs-Bosun particles.

/I could be even more wrong.


This is way over my head, but it's my understanding that although both are theoretical particles related to interaction between matter, they are not the same thing, in that certain "must-have" properties of each are not the same. I could repeat the particulars here, but they probably wouldn't mean anything more to you than they do do me. One, however, is that the graviton should have no mass, while the Higgs should.
 
2012-07-02 06:02:35 PM  

santadog: MasterAdkins: Has nothing to do with god, just someone's poor explanation for the ignorant masses.

Hasn't that always been the case?


My understanding was that Higgs originally called it "that goddam particle" and the editors of the paper changed it...
 
2012-07-02 06:26:19 PM  

MrCheeks: Wangiss: MrCheeks: Max Awesome: [i42.photobucket.com image 549x1023]

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 640x584]

That looks like my Coonhound Sadie...why is she using the payphone to call Dog and not her cell phone?

I'm looking to buy a coonhound next year to protect my chickens. Would yours simply eat them, or are they the miracle I have read about?

/is serious
//email in profile

Your email appears to not work...


You figured it out!
 
2012-07-02 06:34:30 PM  
pshh - I read about this next week
 
2012-07-02 06:57:42 PM  

malaktaus: This has been reported in legitimate publications; why link to the Daily Fail? This isn't yet another story about a teacher farking a student or a girl with a mental disorder who will only eat pizza.


Because it's legible. I have farking Asperger's and I can't read some of the 'legitimate' geekspeak they publish. The average reader needs to be able to understand what's being said, or there's no point in printing it in an average newspaper. Save the scientific technical terms for the publication, and use layman's terms for general consumption.
 
2012-07-02 07:06:18 PM  

Wangiss: MrCheeks: Wangiss: MrCheeks: Max Awesome: [i42.photobucket.com image 549x1023]

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 640x584]

That looks like my Coonhound Sadie...why is she using the payphone to call Dog and not her cell phone?

I'm looking to buy a coonhound next year to protect my chickens. Would yours simply eat them, or are they the miracle I have read about?

/is serious
//email in profile

Your email appears to not work...

You figured it out!


A trained coonhound like a black and tan or bluetick won't eat your chickens, but they do have to be trained that they are off limits. They will do an excellent job guarding against raccoons (natch), possums, and foxes, and to a lesser extent things like weasels.

/Dad owned lots of coonhounds and we were quite rural
 
2012-07-02 07:28:48 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Benni K Rok: intelligent comment below: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but can't this particle be accurately described as a "graviton?"

I wonder of you could think of a graviton as an interaction between two different forces that contain Higgs-Bosun particles.

/I could be even more wrong.

This is way over my head, but it's my understanding that although both are theoretical particles related to interaction between matter, they are not the same thing, in that certain "must-have" properties of each are not the same. I could repeat the particulars here, but they probably wouldn't mean anything more to you than they do do me. One, however, is that the graviton should have no mass, while the Higgs should.


Probably, I'm just talking out of my ass. I hope I'm not right. That would scare me.
 
2012-07-02 08:33:47 PM  
img10.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-02 08:49:21 PM  
i.imgur.com
Bosun Higgs?
 
2012-07-02 10:48:29 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: the graviton should have no mass, while the Higgs should.


I can't remember whether it's been overtaken by events or not, but the guy who wrote This Elegant Universe (science writing explaining string theory for laypeople) said that string theory predicted that the graviton would have a spin of +/- 2. This is something that shouldn't be insanely difficult to test, provided that the particle exists long enough for some farker to look at the silly thing.

/there are a herd of buffalo that graze above an accelerator ring in Texas
//Of course, they're called the Higgs Bison
 
2012-07-02 10:52:26 PM  
God is dead... and here is the body to prove it.
And he's really light too!
 
2012-07-02 11:16:46 PM  
As with all media,
they simply like a good catchphrase.

Truth & proof is irrelevant.
 
2012-07-02 11:29:41 PM  

i296.photobucket.com

Hello
Yes, this is "Bob".

 
2012-07-03 12:32:32 AM  
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-03 03:22:02 AM  
I predict a letdown.
 
2012-07-03 06:36:40 AM  

scalpod: [i296.photobucket.com image 90x132]

Hello
Yes, this is "Bob".


x me baby
 
2012-07-03 12:11:02 PM  
Is this the team out of Illinois? Damn, could you imagine the shiat hemorrhage the Europeans would have if the Americans got the Higgs-Boson before they did?
 
2012-07-03 01:09:03 PM  

Felgraf: El Morro: how we might be able to apply this information in a practical way? Obviously, it's going to take years and years and years of research and development, but, what are scientists talking about doing with this?

Would it be possible to manipulate the Higgs field? Are we talking about making near mass-less spacecraft for long distance travel? What's the potential here?

Well, to an extent, I'm not sure we know. It could turn out to be useless.

Think of it this way: When we first discovered electricity and magnetism (and even when we linked the two) they were... novelties. Fairly useless outside a VERY small range.

Or how the greeks figured out steam power, but didn't really use it for crap.

But now....

It's really hard to predict where discoveries will lead. That's one of the reasons we call it research, and not engineering. =)


Oh, I definitely agree with that. I'm just asking to see if anyone has done that mental exercise of trying to figure out what sort of potential there may be.

Let's say we find a way to manipulate the field. Could it be possible to reduce the HB field around a large object (say, a plane or car), and make it so it could be lifted and moved around by a single person? Or maybe increase the field around something to bump up its mass and make it particularly heavy?

Just spitballing here. I like these sorts of mental exercises.
 
2012-07-04 10:30:39 AM  
Well it's gonna go boom then so we'll have to go out and repopulate or something or another

encycl.opentopia.com
 
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