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2012-07-01 09:51:18 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/01/katie-holmes-tom-cruise-divorce-scientol ogy-tailing/

Follow up just posted over on TMZ. I'm calling bullshait on this one.
 
2012-07-01 09:51:32 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Scientologists are brainwashed cultists.


So, they are an average religion.

Don't think the Catholic church or Christianity or any other religious group wouldn't or couldn't pull the same underhanded, evil shiat Scientologists do.


Oh, c'mon. I was an uber-Catholic, then left the church. The worst that happened to me was my mother's sigh.
 
2012-07-01 09:54:55 PM

Solid Muldoon: Oh, c'mon. I was an uber-Catholic, then left the church. The worst that happened to me was my mother's sigh.


you're going to be the death of her you you know

i bet you don't even call her regularly, or write to her, she's just suffering there languishing unable to load the guilt onto you
 
2012-07-01 09:55:20 PM

FirstNationalBastard: praymantis: FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Scientologists are brainwashed cultists.


So, they are an average religion.

Don't think the Catholic church or Christianity or any other religious group wouldn't or couldn't pull the same underhanded, evil shiat Scientologists do.

Seriously think about what you are saying, the Catholic Church with over a Billion followers has a hotel for people to live in near Hollywood where their every move is watched by followers. And this one follower asks for a divorce and because the person they are divorcing is a special person in the religion they follow the lady who wants the divorce. You have no clue about what the Catholic church is all about.

farking young boys?


I simply saying there is huge difference between an established religion and this freaking nut job cult Cruise is into.
 
2012-07-01 09:57:52 PM

Solid Muldoon: FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Scientologists are brainwashed cultists.


So, they are an average religion.

Don't think the Catholic church or Christianity or any other religious group wouldn't or couldn't pull the same underhanded, evil shiat Scientologists do.

Oh, c'mon. I was an uber-Catholic, then left the church. The worst that happened to me was my mother's sigh.


I'll bet you're still having nightmares over that.
 
2012-07-01 09:58:18 PM

Weirdnjfan1: http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/01/katie-holmes-tom-cruise-divorce-sciento l ogy-tailing/

Follow up just posted over on TMZ. I'm calling bullshait on this one.


They also denied stealing information from and harassing IRS agents.
 
2012-07-01 09:58:54 PM
They are just trying to help her Clear.
 
2012-07-01 10:02:48 PM

MisterLoki: They are just trying to help her Clear.


Beautiful...
 
2012-07-01 10:03:44 PM

Coco LaFemme: Scientologists scare me. All religions have cult-like aspects, but Scientology is straight-up reminiscent of the Peoples' Temple or something like that. I mean, there's just something off about all of that shiat. Not that the cosmic Hebrew zombie born of a virgin and an invisible man in the sky makes complete and total sense, mind you.


carolineletkeman.org

http://www.scientologynews.org/



Scary is how many new 'Churches' they've opened up in the last couple years.
 
2012-07-01 10:07:12 PM

Solid Muldoon: FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Scientologists are brainwashed cultists.


So, they are an average religion.

Don't think the Catholic church or Christianity or any other religious group wouldn't or couldn't pull the same underhanded, evil shiat Scientologists do.

Oh, c'mon. I was an uber-Catholic, then left the church. The worst that happened to me was my mother's sigh.


I've heard credible stories about harassment by Opus Dei, which is part of the Catholic church.
 
2012-07-01 10:10:47 PM

SharkTrager: Weirdnjfan1: http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/01/katie-holmes-tom-cruise-divorce-sciento l ogy-tailing/

Follow up just posted over on TMZ. I'm calling bullshait on this one.

They also denied stealing information from and harassing IRS agents.


Check it now.

404 Page Not Found.

We're sorry, but we weren't able to find that page.
Perhaps we can interest you in one of the categories below.


They pulled it, whatever it was.

/where's all the tinfoil?
 
2012-07-01 10:13:44 PM
Well, she can always come and hide out at my house in my bed under the covers naked with me.
 
2012-07-01 10:15:18 PM

GungFu: SharkTrager: Weirdnjfan1: http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/01/katie-holmes-tom-cruise-divorce-sciento l ogy-tailing/

Follow up just posted over on TMZ. I'm calling bullshait on this one.

They also denied stealing information from and harassing IRS agents.

Check it now.

404 Page Not Found.

We're sorry, but we weren't able to find that page.
Perhaps we can interest you in one of the categories below.


They pulled it, whatever it was.

/where's all the tinfoil?


Remove the space in the link, seems fark doesn't like cold links. But basically its a lawyer saying "No we're not following her." which you know, lawyers are so trusted to begin with, throw in one working for a cult like that.
 
2012-07-01 10:16:43 PM

Boatmech: Coco LaFemme: Scientologists scare me. All religions have cult-like aspects, but Scientology is straight-up reminiscent of the Peoples' Temple or something like that. I mean, there's just something off about all of that shiat. Not that the cosmic Hebrew zombie born of a virgin and an invisible man in the sky makes complete and total sense, mind you.

[carolineletkeman.org image 450x623]

http://www.scientologynews.org/



Scary is how many new 'Churches' they've opened up in the last couple years.


Window dressing. The "church" here in Ottawa has maybe a half dozen people on staff in a crappy second floor suite downtown. John Duignan, a former member, wrote about the number of churches and members world wide in his book The Complex. Most of the churches are severely understaffed and only the biggest and most opulent ones are actually properly outfitted.
 
2012-07-01 10:17:26 PM

FirstNationalBastard: praymantis: FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Scientologists are brainwashed cultists.


So, they are an average religion.

Don't think the Catholic church or Christianity or any other religious group wouldn't or couldn't pull the same underhanded, evil shiat Scientologists do.

Seriously think about what you are saying, the Catholic Church with over a Billion followers has a hotel for people to live in near Hollywood where their every move is watched by followers. And this one follower asks for a divorce and because the person they are divorcing is a special person in the religion they follow the lady who wants the divorce. You have no clue about what the Catholic church is all about.

farking young boys?


That's a misrepresentation.

There's also money-laundering.
 
2012-07-01 10:19:38 PM

theorellior: malaktaus: It's about a future dystopia in which China conquers the world and L. Ron Hubbard is the founding prophet of the only religion still allowed. Its portrayal of the prophet is not exactly flattering, and its obvious that Dick regarded the man as an absurd fraud.

Now that's an interesting thing to learn. I may have to look for that book at the library.


It's a short story, I read it in a complete collection of all his published short fiction. Volume 3, The Father-Thing.
 
2012-07-01 10:21:15 PM
I once worked for a company that was owned and ran by Scientologists. I can't even begin to describe how they ripped off their employees. Scientology even has it's own business school that teaches you how to legally take money from your employees. I was promoted to management after only 6 months and had to take classes there. I made it a week and went into my bosses office called him out on the bullshiat and quit. I had quite a few friends at the company, some left when I did some stayed. The people that stayed told me they had a company wide meeting to discuss my departure and basically told them all that I was mentally ill, that I left to seek help and none of them were to contact me or risk losing their jobs. My roommate at the time still worked there a few months later they offered him my management job. He quit a couple days later. They told him he would have to move out if he was going to continue his path in the company. Long story short, even with my limited exposure to these wackos I can honestly say this is a dangerous religion.
 
2012-07-01 10:21:38 PM

Bontesla: This is not normal behavior.
She should have know they'd never let her get out alive.


On the other hand, how do you distinguish this sort of harassment from the paparazzi?

Of course, maybe the paparazzi isn't normal behavior either.
 
2012-07-01 10:22:02 PM
Are we supposed to be sympathetic to her 1% problems?
 
2012-07-01 10:25:29 PM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: praymantis: You have no clue about what the Catholic church is all about.

True that... once you hit puberty, the Catholic Church is harmless.


Until you have kids of your own?
 
2012-07-01 10:26:08 PM

EponymousCowHerd: Solid Muldoon: FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Scientologists are brainwashed cultists.


So, they are an average religion.

Don't think the Catholic church or Christianity or any other religious group wouldn't or couldn't pull the same underhanded, evil shiat Scientologists do.

Oh, c'mon. I was an uber-Catholic, then left the church. The worst that happened to me was my mother's sigh.

I've heard credible stories about harassment by Opus Dei, which is part of the Catholic church.


Opus Dei is extremely heretical (biblical literalism, mortification, Marianism, and many other practices that are directly contradictory to Church dogma and some that theoretically could get you excommunicated), but the Church hasn't actively kicked out followers for decades, if not centuries. Especially ones that helped pay for the P2 scandal.

With over 1.2 billion members and thousands of different belief patterns, there are bound to be many cults.

Also Irish Catholics. *shudder*
 
2012-07-01 10:29:43 PM
Scientology is the 20th century's Mormons.
 
2012-07-01 10:31:04 PM
What in the hell would a day-in-the-life of Mrs. Tom Cruise be like?

11:00 Shopping at Sacks 5th Ave

1:00 Lunch with Oprah

2:00 Duck down alley, phone Xenu with gossip from Oprah

3:00 Give Tom a bj in the limo while giving paparazzi the middle finger
 
2012-07-01 10:33:51 PM

titwrench: I once worked for a company that was owned and ran by Scientologists. I can't even begin to describe how they ripped off their employees. Scientology even has it's own business school that teaches you how to legally take money from your employees. I was promoted to management after only 6 months and had to take classes there. I made it a week and went into my bosses office called him out on the bullshiat and quit. I had quite a few friends at the company, some left when I did some stayed. The people that stayed told me they had a company wide meeting to discuss my departure and basically told them all that I was mentally ill, that I left to seek help and none of them were to contact me or risk losing their jobs. My roommate at the time still worked there a few months later they offered him my management job. He quit a couple days later. They told him he would have to move out if he was going to continue his path in the company. Long story short, even with my limited exposure to these wackos I can honestly say this is a dangerous religion.


I had a friend who's brother worked at Earthlink in the late 90's and he didn't have anything nice to say about the company. He said the company was filled with managers that were Scientologist who didn't know what they were doing and there was a definite underlining attempt at proselytism going on.People quickly figured out that if you weren't a Scientologist or converted to one that you weren't going anywhere.
 
2012-07-01 10:48:41 PM
Looking at her ass?
 
2012-07-01 10:50:01 PM

malaktaus: Its portrayal of the prophet is not exactly flattering, and its obvious that Dick regarded the man as an absurd fraud. Yet here we are, 60 years later, and some people still haven't figured that out.


Why do you assume they haven't figured it out? Why do you assume they'd care? Their organization has real power. You think they're just going to throw their hands up in the air, lament their foolishness, and dissolve the organization?
 
2012-07-01 10:54:15 PM

Harry_Seldon: Are we supposed to be sympathetic to her 1% problems?


Wellllllll.... I don't think this problem is tied into her 1%-edness. It's creepy as hell AND she's got her daughter to think about. Seems to me that this is about personal safety. You can't just immediately hate everyone with money & assume they have no problems, right?
 
2012-07-01 11:00:22 PM

ongbok: titwrench: I once worked for a company that was owned and ran by Scientologists. I can't even begin to describe how they ripped off their employees. Scientology even has it's own business school that teaches you how to legally take money from your employees. I was promoted to management after only 6 months and had to take classes there. I made it a week and went into my bosses office called him out on the bullshiat and quit. I had quite a few friends at the company, some left when I did some stayed. The people that stayed told me they had a company wide meeting to discuss my departure and basically told them all that I was mentally ill, that I left to seek help and none of them were to contact me or risk losing their jobs. My roommate at the time still worked there a few months later they offered him my management job. He quit a couple days later. They told him he would have to move out if he was going to continue his path in the company. Long story short, even with my limited exposure to these wackos I can honestly say this is a dangerous religion.

I had a friend who's brother worked at Earthlink in the late 90's and he didn't have anything nice to say about the company. He said the company was filled with managers that were Scientologist who didn't know what they were doing and there was a definite underlining attempt at proselytism going on.People quickly figured out that if you weren't a Scientologist or converted to one that you weren't going anywhere.


This sounds a lot like Transcendental Mediation creators/followers too. If you didn't practice their thing, you weren't going to make bling. I believe the name used in closed circles was Drones, when describing nonTM'ers.
 
2012-07-01 11:05:21 PM

namegoeshere: Not that I don't have sympathy, Katie, but shouldn't you have thought about this before you married that nutcase? Or at the very least, before you allowed sperm to meet egg?

That was my first thought when she came out with the baby bump. You're bringing a child into that crazy? Oh shiat, girl. Try to leave him now, and those freaks are going to take your baby, and god help you then.


I think you meant turkey baster meets vagina.
 
2012-07-01 11:05:51 PM

missiv: ongbok: titwrench: I once worked for a company that was owned and ran by Scientologists. I can't even begin to describe how they ripped off their employees. Scientology even has it's own business school that teaches you how to legally take money from your employees. I was promoted to management after only 6 months and had to take classes there. I made it a week and went into my bosses office called him out on the bullshiat and quit. I had quite a few friends at the company, some left when I did some stayed. The people that stayed told me they had a company wide meeting to discuss my departure and basically told them all that I was mentally ill, that I left to seek help and none of them were to contact me or risk losing their jobs. My roommate at the time still worked there a few months later they offered him my management job. He quit a couple days later. They told him he would have to move out if he was going to continue his path in the company. Long story short, even with my limited exposure to these wackos I can honestly say this is a dangerous religion.

I had a friend who's brother worked at Earthlink in the late 90's and he didn't have anything nice to say about the company. He said the company was filled with managers that were Scientologist who didn't know what they were doing and there was a definite underlining attempt at proselytism going on.People quickly figured out that if you weren't a Scientologist or converted to one that you weren't going anywhere.

This sounds a lot like Transcendental Mediation creators/followers too. If you didn't practice their thing, you weren't going to make bling. I believe the name used in closed circles was Drones, when describing nonTM'ers.


mormon businesses used to do the same thing all the time. It's a little less common these days, but you'll occasionally run into a business where the upper management has been nothing but mormons for decades.
 
2012-07-01 11:06:43 PM

loonatic112358: Solid Muldoon: Oh, c'mon. I was an uber-Catholic, then left the church. The worst that happened to me was my mother's sigh.

you're going to be the death of her you you know

i bet you don't even call her regularly, or write to her, she's just suffering there languishing unable to load the guilt onto you


I held her hand as she took her last breath. But how could you know.

See you next Tuesday.
 
2012-07-01 11:06:47 PM
Somehow misread subby's headline as "Seismologists are following Katie Holmes..."
 
2012-07-01 11:07:44 PM

Honest Bender: malaktaus: Its portrayal of the prophet is not exactly flattering, and its obvious that Dick regarded the man as an absurd fraud. Yet here we are, 60 years later, and some people still haven't figured that out.

Why do you assume they haven't figured it out? Why do you assume they'd care? Their organization has real power. You think they're just going to throw their hands up in the air, lament their foolishness, and dissolve the organization?


That's fine for the leaders, but the rank-and-file members don't get anything out of it. They just ostracize themselves from polite society and pay massive fees for the privilege. They are fools, pure and simple.
 
2012-07-01 11:14:17 PM

EponymousCowHerd: Solid Muldoon: FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Scientologists are brainwashed cultists.


So, they are an average religion.

Don't think the Catholic church or Christianity or any other religious group wouldn't or couldn't pull the same underhanded, evil shiat Scientologists do.

Oh, c'mon. I was an uber-Catholic, then left the church. The worst that happened to me was my mother's sigh.

I've heard credible stories about harassment by Opus Dei, which is part of the Catholic church.


My brother was a Supernumerary (non-celibate professional member) in Opus Dei and he left the church. Dan Brown's portrayal of its members is fantastical. My brother just upped and decided it was all bullshiat one day and never went back.

They called his house exactly once and he explained it just like that, then they left him alone. They were calling primarily to make sure he was OK. Complaints about Opus Dei tend to be from Numerary members, who are celibate and almost always live in an Opus Dei owned property and donate all of their money to the organization. Much like monks or nuns, such a membership is not popular outside heavily Catholic and economically depressed countries in Europe. Corporal mortification, which so fascinated Dan Brown, is practiced by Numerary members but not by Supernumerary members, and the frequency of practice and implementation vary.

Since Opus Dei exists as a personal prelature, it's governance is different from the rest of the Church. There is a bishop to head Opus Dei, but he isn't granted power via geographical location like a traditional bishop; the bishop is granted power over the members wherever they may live. Hence, the entire organization exists as a sort of "virtual diocese" that spreads across the globe. With such a governing structure, local "chapters" (for lack of a better word) of Opus Dei have vastly different ideas about what it means to be part of the organization. My brother's chapter in Ohio wouldn't strike you as anything more than a really religious group of US Catholics. A local chapter in, say, France might strike you as a militant group hell bent on overthrowing the state government.

They do deserve a fair bit of criticism for their recruitment style. Since it was founded by a paranoid Spanish priest who grew the organization in secret during the Spanish Civil War, they are paranoid about keeping secrets. They don't tell you they are trying to recruit you until they're sure you'll say yes, and if you say no, they cut off contact. When my brother joined, it was a year before he told any of us because advertising it was frowned upon. Even then, we were talking about Dan Brown and he mentioned it offhandedly. He was allowed to tell people he was a member to defend the group, but he was not supposed to just volunteer the information.

Still, he left the group without any problem. They didn't stop communicating with him completely - if he sees another member in the grocery store they still say hello - they just don't volunteer any information about the rest of the group. That's pretty much in keeping with the paranoia.

The real complaints come from the Numerary members who leave after years of living in an Opus Dei house. Those people are locked in deeper and follow a different set of rules than the vast majority of members. I'd guess most of those people are crazy to begin with, especially since you have to donate all of your money to the group AND remain celibate, all the while living in a group house that's probably shiattier than a $200 a month apartment. Still, the total number of Numerary members worldwide is about 17,500 people, primarily in Europe. There are about 61,000 Supernumerary members worldwide. In comparison, there are 8 million Scientologists.

My long-winded point being: you can leave the Catholic church without any problem. My aunt is an ex-nun of Little Sisters of the Poor. She didn't have any problem leaving, either. In a tiny number of cases involving specific members of Opus Dei, there may be a problem. Even then, the harassment isn't sanctioned by the Church itself, but is a problem with local management.

Scientology, on the other hand, does this as a matter of policy.
 
2012-07-01 11:16:33 PM
Ah, Scientology. You never disappoint.

If they stayed out of the whole issue ( at least where other people could see them), this would not be all over the news.

But they just cannot help themselves. Thus, they look as weird and creepy in reality as people may think they are. Scientology already has anything they want on Katie. They can just let her know it will be released if she says anything negative. In addition to the "auditing" Katie did, which is basically confession with the added benefit of it being recorded or written down, the handlers assigned to Katie were scientology loyalists who have told Miscavige everything about Katie and her activities.

I am really happy scientology is being true to form. Katie will get protection now because people are paying attention, and I hope this helps her when she tries to get custody of Suri.
 
2012-07-01 11:26:39 PM

Lsherm: In comparison, there are 8 million Scientologists


That figure is highly questionable. It's basically the low end of the CoS's own estimates, and lazy journalists sometimes quote it, but it's almost certainly wildly inflated. They count people as members if they purchase a book or attend a basic course, even if they never have anything to do with Scientology again, which is generally the case.
 
2012-07-01 11:49:42 PM

malaktaus: Lsherm: In comparison, there are 8 million Scientologists

That figure is highly questionable. It's basically the low end of the CoS's own estimates, and lazy journalists sometimes quote it, but it's almost certainly wildly inflated. They count people as members if they purchase a book or attend a basic course, even if they never have anything to do with Scientology again, which is generally the case.


Each Thetan they squeeze out of you counts as one Scientologist too.

/Few things in life are as creepy as Scientology and its suckers
 
2012-07-01 11:50:11 PM
What's with the freaky face in the picture of the car on the top? Maybe it is my screen or pain meds I am on, but it doesn't seem to fit the body holding the magazine/newspaper.

/will have nightmares tonight.
 
2012-07-01 11:57:09 PM
If any high-ranking Scientologists are reading this, I'd like to go on record that I have nothing but the deepest respect and admiration for your religion. Thank you. That is all.
 
2012-07-02 12:15:00 AM

moshi8: What's with the freaky face in the picture of the car on the top? Maybe it is my screen or pain meds I am on, but it doesn't seem to fit the body holding the magazine/newspaper.

/will have nightmares tonight.


No, I saw it too. I had to squint & relax my eyes & lean back & turn my head, but I think the "face" you see is really the passenger seat. The head of the dude reading the paper is blurred out.

Also, the paper the dude is reading is a tabloid announcing the divorce. SURELY someone stalking Katie wouldn't be so bold as to visibly be reading a tabloid about it, right? Notsomuch with the subtlety maybe?
 
2012-07-02 12:15:26 AM

Lochsteppe: malaktaus: Lsherm: In comparison, there are 8 million Scientologists

That figure is highly questionable. It's basically the low end of the CoS's own estimates, and lazy journalists sometimes quote it, but it's almost certainly wildly inflated. They count people as members if they purchase a book or attend a basic course, even if they never have anything to do with Scientology again, which is generally the case.

Each Thetan they squeeze out of you counts as one Scientologist too.

/Few things in life are as creepy as Scientology and its suckers


I just squeezed out a couple thetans.. That was a damn good burrito.
 
2012-07-02 12:17:42 AM
Yeah, I don't think so. I'm not exactly pro-religion, but I would say that almost NONE of the other religions would, as a matter of active policy, engage in the evil that Scientology perpetrates on those who oppose it or attempt to leave it. And I'd say that anyone who claims otherwise simply hasn't looked into the CoS's history and activities enough

they're probably watching YOU right now
 
2012-07-02 12:19:13 AM

Harry_Seldon: 1%


Here's one that wasn't a 1%er: Link
 
2012-07-02 12:19:20 AM
Why are Seismologists following Katie Holmes?

farm9.staticflickr.com

"Well, apparently, mood-altering medication leads to street drugs. That's what this very handsome young doctor said on the Today Show. "

"That was Tom Cruise the actor."

"They said he was some kind of scientist."
 
2012-07-02 12:20:16 AM

Di Atribe: moshi8: What's with the freaky face in the picture of the car on the top? Maybe it is my screen or pain meds I am on, but it doesn't seem to fit the body holding the magazine/newspaper.

/will have nightmares tonight.

No, I saw it too. I had to squint & relax my eyes & lean back & turn my head, but I think the "face" you see is really the passenger seat. The head of the dude reading the paper is blurred out.

Also, the paper the dude is reading is a tabloid announcing the divorce. SURELY someone stalking Katie wouldn't be so bold as to visibly be reading a tabloid about it, right? Notsomuch with the subtlety maybe?


If you zoom I'm just right, it almost looks like Mr Peanut.
 
2012-07-02 12:21:43 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Scientologists are brainwashed cultists.


So, they are an average religion.

Don't think the Catholic church or Christianity or any other religious group wouldn't or couldn't pull the same underhanded, evil shiat Scientologists do.


That's just a wildly ignorant statement...even for Fark. Please provide examples of any mainstream Christian denomination pulling such stunts. Not some Westboro loon cult of 15 people...but an actual organization the size of Scientology.
 
2012-07-02 12:28:17 AM

Di Atribe: moshi8: What's with the freaky face in the picture of the car on the top? Maybe it is my screen or pain meds I am on, but it doesn't seem to fit the body holding the magazine/newspaper.

/will have nightmares tonight.

No, I saw it too. I had to squint & relax my eyes & lean back & turn my head, but I think the "face" you see is really the passenger seat. The head of the dude reading the paper is blurred out.

Also, the paper the dude is reading is a tabloid announcing the divorce. SURELY someone stalking Katie wouldn't be so bold as to visibly be reading a tabloid about it, right? Notsomuch with the subtlety maybe?


The dude's face isn't blurred out, he just has it buried in the tabloid. The "nose" of the face you're talking about is actually the space between his head and his collar. Directly in front of that you can see his ear.

Must be some killer pain meds there.
 
2012-07-02 12:33:05 AM

Erix: The dude's face isn't blurred out, he just has it buried in the tabloid. The "nose" of the face you're talking about is actually the space between his head and his collar. Directly in front of that you can see his ear.

Must be some killer pain meds there.


The ear you see is of the man in the passenger seat. The slope of the "nose" is the back of the passenger's head. If you look at the ear and then look directly right, you can see the oval blur. Also, it would appear that the passenger is a black man while the driver is white. Come on now. A little Sherlocking never hurt anyone.

Slow down on the pain meds, man.
 
2012-07-02 12:37:07 AM

theorellior: Mugato: (who really sucked as a writer, BTW)

I tried to read Hubbard some years back, but it was just awful. I just couldn't finish anything he wrote.


Oh God, so much this.

Years ago I picked up the Mission Earth books from my public library (they no longer have anything by Hubbard) and couldn't stop laughing at how bad they were. The constant bleeping, the sad attempt at both titillation and censorship, and the general madness of the whole affair. When I read Bare-Faced Messiah, I wondered if Hubbard wrote all of that as some kind of drug-fueled confession/fantasy out of guilt before he finally died.

That said, with Murdoch coming out against the Scientologists, I wonder if this will be their last hurrah. They've been getting bashed very good for the last few years, and it's only a matter of time before they finally collapse and the higher-ups attempt to flee the country. That said, Hubbard's works in this light really deserve to be examined. I don't think people appreciate how awful they really are.
 
2012-07-02 12:45:25 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: That said, with Murdoch coming out against the Scientologists, I wonder if this will be their last hurrah. They've been getting bashed very good for the last few years, and it's only a matter of time before they finally collapse and the higher-ups attempt to flee the country. That said, Hubbard's works in this light really deserve to be examined. I don't think people appreciate how awful they really are.


Murdoch isn't exactly in a position to be calling anyone out for anything.
 
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