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2012-07-01 04:05:20 PM  
Very informative. Nice to see some information without the usual warrrrgaarrrbl.
 
2012-07-01 04:13:57 PM  
First, after Obama is re-elected, they TAX the everloving shiat out of the middle class
 
2012-07-01 04:15:14 PM  

miss diminutive: the usual warrrrgaarrrbl.


IronTom: First, after Obama is re-elected, they TAX the everloving shiat out of the middle class

 
2012-07-01 04:15:31 PM  
Thanks. I just posted this to my FB page. Earlier today, a friend posted some Ron Paul crap about Obamacare. It pissed me off, but I didn't comment on it (said friend doesn't know that I've lost my health insurance and can't get coverage due to pre-existing conditions).
 
2012-07-01 04:17:11 PM  

IronTom: First, after Obama is re-elected, they TAX the everloving shiat out of the middle class


Aren't you one of the tards who vote for the people that complain that 53% of the country doesn't pay enough in taxes, and are a bunch of freeloaders?
 
2012-07-01 04:23:16 PM  
Holy +1, Batman!

Thank you for doing that Facebook person!
 
2012-07-01 04:23:55 PM  
This is a terrific breakdown.
Thank you, Subby.
 
2012-07-01 04:51:18 PM  

IronTom: First, after Obama is re-elected, they TAX the everloving shiat out of the middle class


Sure. That makes sense.
 
2012-07-01 04:55:23 PM  

kronicfeld: miss diminutive: the usual warrrrgaarrrbl.

IronTom: First, after Obama is re-elected, they TAX the everloving shiat out of the middle class


Yeah, but not because he thinks the median American will get taxed, but because he thinks $300k/yr is middle-class.
 
2012-07-01 04:59:46 PM  
.9% tax increase for those making $200,000. How will they survive????
 
2012-07-01 05:00:50 PM  
Heh, not to give FB too much due, but I read that thread earlier on Reddit, at lease where a devil's advocate perspective survives with balanced dialogue for more than 10 minutes. Usually.
 
2012-07-01 05:08:15 PM  

corq: Heh, not to give FB too much due, but I read that thread earlier on Reddit, at lease where a devil's advocate perspective survives with balanced dialogue for more than 10 minutes. Usually.


the post on reddit also talks about some of the myths surrounding Obamacare. Whoever posted that facebook note should definitely include that part as well.
 
2012-07-01 05:13:42 PM  
Lots of pretty good stuff in there.
 
2012-07-01 05:16:40 PM  

I'm Yukon Cornelius: corq: Heh, not to give FB too much due, but I read that thread earlier on Reddit, at lease where a devil's advocate perspective survives with balanced dialogue for more than 10 minutes. Usually.

the post on reddit also talks about some of the myths surrounding Obamacare. Whoever posted that facebook note should definitely include that part as well.


The reddit post is linked at the top of TFA
 
2012-07-01 05:25:32 PM  
It renews some old policies, and calls for the appointment of various positions.

Thanks for clearing that up.

/rest of it was good
 
2012-07-01 05:37:31 PM  

cmunic8r99: I'm Yukon Cornelius: corq: Heh, not to give FB too much due, but I read that thread earlier on Reddit, at lease where a devil's advocate perspective survives with balanced dialogue for more than 10 minutes. Usually.

the post on reddit also talks about some of the myths surrounding Obamacare. Whoever posted that facebook note should definitely include that part as well.

The reddit post is linked at the top of TFA


Yeah, I see that now.

/ no, i'm not going blind.
 
2012-07-01 05:39:23 PM  

DamnYankees: Lots of pretty good stuff in there.


I liked just about everything in there except for the $2,500 limit on FSAs. Not saying there shouldn't be some limit on FSA accounts, but, $2,500 seems low.
 
2012-07-01 05:43:07 PM  
The reddit post is substantially more informative as well as footnoted, which is nice. Also, the reply beneath the initial contribution (the MD mentioned in the article) is equally important, as it's a discussion of the reimbursements to doctors, and how the ACA will change them based on outcomes that may not be doctor-dependent.

Good stuff.
 
2012-07-01 05:53:07 PM  
This was very worth visiting Facebook for. Thank you Subby.
 
2012-07-01 05:54:42 PM  
Oh good this was greenlit. I had copypasta'd this from another Farker in the original SCOTUS thread from Thursday but it was toward the bottom of the thread so I doubt it got many views. I learned a few things just from reading that.
 
2012-07-01 06:01:15 PM  
I saw the Reddit post, but good for people who shared it.
 
2012-07-01 06:02:50 PM  
Bookmarking for later. Getting tired of the flood of e-mails I've been getting lately.
 
2012-07-01 06:20:03 PM  
Clearly the blueprint for the Fourth Reich.

RIP, America
 
2012-07-01 06:21:18 PM  
Reddit to Facebook to Fark

ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-07-01 06:25:41 PM  

Party Boy: Reddit to Facebook to Fark


img1.fark.net It's not a competition.

/ :"OMG! This story was posted somewhere else first! That means no one else can share it without being utter failures!"
 
2012-07-01 06:45:36 PM  
Nicely explained. It all seems pretty mild - to an outsider who lives in a country with full health cover. Now can any American give me a similarly short and to the point explanation of why this is so vigorously opposed?

/I know this is a "That's the joke son" thing, but I have to ask.
 
2012-07-01 06:46:59 PM  

Tahs4Evar: Now can any American give me a similarly short and to the point explanation of why this is so vigorously opposed?


He's black.

/you made it too easy
 
2012-07-01 06:53:59 PM  
Let me get this straight . . .

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a... President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!

What the h*ll could possibly go wrong?'

Donald Trump
 
2012-07-01 07:02:23 PM  
Who is this guy with the rosy cheeks?
 
2012-07-01 07:05:04 PM  

Man On A Mission: "OMG! This story was posted somewhere else first! That means no one else can share it without being utter failures!"


We all can't have the same standards in life.
 
2012-07-01 07:05:41 PM  

EnviroDude: Let me get this straight . . .

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a... President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!

What the h*ll could possibly go wrong?'

Donald Trump


1. If you have health insurance already, you're in compliance.
2. Congress will be required to buy from the same insurance exchange as everyone else
3. The health care law doesn't work without the individual mandate because if that wasn't in place, people wouldn't buy insurance until they get sick
4. Whenever someone who doesn't have insurance uses a medical service (which they will, sooner or later) and skips out on the bill, the rest of us have to pick up the tab. That's why aspirin costs $10 a pill at the hospital.
5. Switzerland and Massachusetts ("Romneycare") already have this in place. Massachusetts works so well that 98% of their residents have health insurance. in Switzerland, people have so many choices for health insurance, they may not be making the best choice for their situation.
 
2012-07-01 07:12:17 PM  
Searched on penalty and on tax, but nothing about making you pay *it* if you don't buy insurance, or else go to jail. Let's skip that little detail shall we now? Maybe they couch it in other terms.

Tax did come up many times. As did that taxulty if you have a business with more than 50 people but don't buy their (or some) product for everybody.
 
2012-07-01 07:27:09 PM  
http://www.reddit.com/tb/vbkfm
 
2012-07-01 07:28:48 PM  

IronTom: Searched on penalty and on tax, but nothing about making you pay *it* if you don't buy insurance, or else go to jail. Let's skip that little detail shall we now? Maybe they couch it in other terms.


I'll get right on making commercials saying that since IronTom from Fark.com can't prove you don't go to jail, that you go to jail.
 
2012-07-01 07:36:53 PM  

EnviroDude: Let me get this straight . . .

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor,


Hmmm ... if only businesses had some way of adding employees in the face of an increase in customers.

We could call it "hiring."

but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,

Oh, look, a blatant Teabagger lie!

F*ck off, threadshiatter.
 
2012-07-01 07:46:06 PM  

kmmontandon: but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,

Oh, look, a blatant Teabagger lie!

F*ck off, threadshiatter.


Yup.
 
2012-07-01 07:57:53 PM  

Dinki: .9% tax increase for those making $200,000. How will they survive????


johnstanlake.files.wordpress.com

"From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needs."


/amiright?
 
2012-07-01 08:01:16 PM  

vpb: EnviroDude: Let me get this straight . . .

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a... President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!

What the h*ll could possibly go wrong?'

Donald Trump

No you didn't get it strait. Only financially irresponsible people get fined. Ask a five year old to explain it to you.


You mean self employed types that might have to choose between food or insurance. Or people with HSAs that now have to buy a product they don't want.

Please continue
 
2012-07-01 08:18:48 PM  

EnviroDude: vpb: EnviroDude: Let me get this straight . . .

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a... President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!

What the h*ll could possibly go wrong?'

Donald Trump

No you didn't get it strait. Only financially irresponsible people get fined. Ask a five year old to explain it to you.

You mean self employed types that might have to choose between food or insurance. Or people with HSAs that now have to buy a product they don't want.

Please continue


So, please tell us what percent of the middle class will have to pay one penny extra, after all the tax breaks are considered. Seriously. What percentage of the population will suffer any "penalty"?

Here's a hint: it's less than one.
 
2012-07-01 08:21:42 PM  
I csnt wait for Romney to win and for Barack Hussein OKenya to be voted out.
 
2012-07-01 08:23:10 PM  
My brother just found a provision in it that, supposedly, allows the RFID chipping of humans.

But anyway, yes, marvelous breakdown in very simple language.
 
2012-07-01 08:23:17 PM  

EnviroDude: You mean self employed types that might have to choose between food or insurance.


Are you talking about someone that is so poor that they would probably be qualified for subsidies to purchase insurance?
 
2012-07-01 08:25:19 PM  

DamnYankees: Tahs4Evar: Now can any American give me a similarly short and to the point explanation of why this is so vigorously opposed?

He's black.

/you made it too easy


I would have also accepted 'soshulizm'.
 
2012-07-01 08:25:38 PM  
This is going on my fb page first thing tomorrow morning (to maximize page views).
 
2012-07-01 08:27:14 PM  
Obamacare = Romneycare without the abortion funding
 
2012-07-01 08:27:30 PM  

EnviroDude: Let me get this straight . . .

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a... President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!

What the h*ll could possibly go wrong?'

Donald Trump


I need to try this new trolling format of statement/rambling paragraph/sarcastic question/person you jack off to. It looks effective.
 
2012-07-01 08:28:21 PM  

bulldg4life: EnviroDude: You mean self employed types that might have to choose between food or insurance.

Are you talking about someone that is so poor that they would probably be qualified for subsidies to purchase insurance?


No. Let's say that you are self employed as a government contractor. The years have been good. Good enough thay you over qualify. Suddenly, the government cancels your contract. Now you have to decide what you are going to pay for. Because you made to much money year to date, you fail to qualify for assistance.
 
2012-07-01 08:30:06 PM  

EnviroDude: Or people with HSAs that now have to buy a product they don't want.


Ha ha! you know how I know you don't have an HSA? No one, short of some mental disability, would prefer an HSA over actual health insurance. HSAs are shiat.
 
2012-07-01 08:31:19 PM  

EnviroDude: vpb: EnviroDude: Let me get this straight . . .

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a... President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!

What the h*ll could possibly go wrong?'

Donald Trump

No you didn't get it strait. Only financially irresponsible people get fined. Ask a five year old to explain it to you.

You mean self employed types that might have to choose between food or insurance. Or people with HSAs that now have to buy a product they don't want.

Please continue


Because people going to the emergency room with no insurance is freeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
2012-07-01 08:33:48 PM  
I can't believe there are people who still respond to EnviroDerp. I understand the notion that it is sometimes necessary to respond to trolls to counter disinformation, but nothing that neanderfark says could possibly be taken seriously by anyone. There's no need to "refute" his logorrhea, because it's self-refuting.
 
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