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2012-07-02 12:24:50 AM  
5 votes:
I'd like to share with all of you what I've learned from this thread:

1. People can't read.
2. People can't listen when others helpfully try to calmly and rationally explain something to them.
3. These people revel in branding the victims as "idiots" despite points 1. and 2.
4. People baselessly hate things, and wait on the Internet for an opportunity to publicly share in hating those things, even when the hate is wildly misplaced and incorrect.
5. The aforementioned points are not exclusive to the Politics tab any more.
2012-07-01 05:00:37 PM  
5 votes:

"...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."


I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

2012-07-01 09:28:50 PM  
3 votes:

xaks: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If you have important contact info on your phone or laptop synced from Facebook - you are a moron.

No, you're a moron, I'm not arguing this.

Gonna have to agree.

Like, I'm sorry Mr. Caunuck. Your argument doesn't hold up.

See. you're leaving out the part of the "trying to send an important/critical email" example the part where the retard in question is trying to do so...via Zuckbook. If he'd manually, via a normal email system, send that important or critical email to your corp or personal email, it would arrive as normal.

That the retard in question is trying to use FaceFark to do his 'important' communications means the user is question is, well...a moron.


You really don't get it do you?

Nobody is trying to use Facebook to send anything here. Facebook can be completely closed and logged out and this problem still exists for people who haven't discovered the changes yet.

They made the mistake of allowing Facebook to sync to their contacts and Facebook snuck into their regular email client and changed their contacts. There was no reason for them to suspect that their contacts had been compromised ... nobody goes into all their contacts every day to make sure their are all ok.

To summarize:
- they did not use Facebook to send anything important as you are insisting
- they used their regular email client as you suggest they do
- they addressed the email they same way they always have ... by using the contact that goes to the target's work email

Yes it was a mistake to allow Facebook access to their contact list. But it worked fine for weeks/months/years. All of a sudden things went bad when Facebook overstepped their bounds and started farking with people contacts without warning or permission.

Facebook is still the bad guy here.
2012-07-01 06:55:15 PM  
3 votes:
I sync my phone with Facebook for many of my contacts.

Here's part of your problem.
2012-07-01 06:25:55 PM  
3 votes:

downstairs: No the whole point is don't use Facebook for vital communications. If that, just on the surface without knowing the details (and I don't) isn't obvious to you..


I don't think you understand. Let's say I'm FB friends with Steve in payroll. The FB app decides to change all the email addresses on my iPhone to FB addresses, which then syncs with Outlook.

I send an email to steve about my paycheck, but it ends up in his FB mailbox.
2012-07-01 06:09:32 PM  
3 votes:
For all I know, I could be missing a lot more e-mails from friends, colleagues, or family members, and never even know it.

That's your average Facebook user. They have hundreds of friends but no one dare call or write to one another.
2012-07-01 08:46:29 PM  
2 votes:

OneNightStand: ...vital communication is being lost? Seriously?

If you use Zuckbook as a critical form of communication you deserve to get farked.


You seem to be unclear on what is happening.

A person is attempting to send an important email to a contact. They've always used this contact for the person ... it used to go to their work email. But facebook snuck in and changed the contact to go to the target's facebook address.

They are not trying to send to the "Zuckbook" address ... facebook has replaced the proper email address without their knowledge or permission.
2012-07-01 08:38:24 PM  
2 votes:

Huck Chaser: downstairs: invite friends to a party

This is the one and only thing that I truly believe is much much much easier to do via Facebook than via email, snail mail, or telephone.


Because all your friends use Facebook? Or do you not invite your friends to parties if they don't use Facebook? Because if you have friends that don't use it and you want to invite them to the party you have to use email, snail mail, or the phone anyway. Right? OK, so how much harder is it to email two people than it is to email one? Oooh, one click harder! And how much harder is it to email 10 people than one? 9 clicks, max. So unless you are planning a wedding reception or something (doubtful), inviting 50 people to a party via email while you are emailing the one person you know who doesn't Facebook is only an extra 49 clicks...about 30 seconds of your time, and not enough physical effort to burn a measurable fraction of a calorie.

Hardly a justifiable reason to use Facebook given all the negatives.

Fark Facebook. It is eating itself.
2012-07-01 07:36:54 PM  
2 votes:

star_topology: Edgewood Dirk: Hmmm. I have never synced my facebook to my contact list. Does Facebook think I'm bad for this?

I've explicitly unchecked "sync contacts from Facebook" on my HTC Rezoudn yet all of them show up in my Dialer (not People/Contacts) what gives?


I've run in to this myself. You've synced your contacts at least once and they live on your phone... Unchecking sync does not remove those contacts from the phone. You can however, in the dialer and/or contacts app choose which "list" of contacts to display. I've found it's easier to just not show those contacts rather than remove them because if you ever recheck sync, the phone will interpret your deletion as how it should be at the original data source - hence you could end up deleting those contacts back in the cloud... Farking stupid and counter-intuitive.
2012-07-01 07:13:30 PM  
2 votes:

downstairs: I wouldn't want to invite all my friends to a party and put them in an awkward situation.


fark all that noise. Invite them both and let the chips fall where they may. We're all adults.
2012-07-01 05:44:48 PM  
2 votes:

skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.


That's...kind of the whole point. People are trying to send messages to a personal or work email address, and they're getting routed without their knowledge or consent to Facebook instead.
2012-07-02 03:46:38 AM  
1 votes:
If you don't run your own personal email server, you are a technologically retarded moron, and deserve every bad thing that ever happens should you ever trust a byte of your data to any third party. That email address on Gmail, yahoo, hotmail, even your ISP? All run by corporations, and all corporations are, by definition, amoral.

Also, DNS is for stupid idiot babies. Don't you know that third parties manage it, and could change it right under you at any moment? And no, HTTPS doesn't protect you. Not if you are foolish enough to trust any of those "root" certificates published by those third party companies.

And do you have any idea how many third party routers Internet traffic goes through? As a true paragon of digital intellect, I send all my email over crossover ethernet cables directly connecting my mail server to my recipient's.
2012-07-02 12:51:14 AM  
1 votes:
Anyone dumb enough to sign up for Facebook deserves what they get.
2012-07-02 12:47:29 AM  
1 votes:

skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.


Yeah, that's not what's happening.

The point is the Facebook mobile app automatically scans your phone's contact list and replaces any email addresses with @facebook.com addresses instead if it determines that that person has a facebook id. This is a pretty big deal and is, in some sense, a man-in-the-middle attack in that it routes email away from the intended target to facebook's servers.

Contrived example: Let's say you're a sales rep for Intel and your customers and contacts have your @intel.com address as a point of contact. These customers probably have you in their phone's address book along with your @intel.com email address. Now, let's say one of these customers installs facebook's mobile app. That app silently examines the phone's contact list, sees your entry, determines that you also have a facebook id and happily replaces your @intel.com address with @facebook.com.

Now, if this customer blindly emails a sales inquiry via his mobile phone, it's going to go to your @facebook.com address (which you might not even be monitoring). Worse, if that email contains confidential information, that information now resides on facebook's servers all because you have an id on facebook.

I won't even touch on the issue of employment contracts that expressly forbid the mixing of business and personal emails and how it's conceivable that people could be disciplined or fired through no fault of theirs.

I cannot fathom how Facebook's attorneys agreed that this sort of email hijacking was a good idea...
2012-07-02 12:18:58 AM  
1 votes:
Geeze, maybe FARK could learn to remember my S/N and PW instead of dropping me every three days, hmmmm?
2012-07-01 11:05:20 PM  
1 votes:
Man this thread really brought out the MORONS WHO DIDNT RTFA

I do not and never plan to send an email to any facebook address.
The contacts on my phone which previously had a normal email address (a gmail address for example) was automatically deleted and replaced with a facebook email.

If you are too stupid to understand that I don't know what to say.
2012-07-01 10:24:30 PM  
1 votes:
I'm going back to Zombo.com
2012-07-01 08:43:28 PM  
1 votes:

skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

2012-07-01 07:55:39 PM  
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: I sync my phone with Facebook for many of my contacts.

Here's part of your problem.


Yeah..

I miss the days when people used different aliases and such for different activities online. And when you didn't have to sign in for every darn website. Syncing everything through one source just makes me uneasy...

/why I don't use gmail too.
//adjusts digital onion on belt.
2012-07-01 07:50:19 PM  
1 votes:

Evenbiggerknickers: "And even worse, the e-mails are not actually in my Facebook messages....They've vanished into the ether. "

Yes, your emails have somehow made it from Facebook to the upper regions of space, or to the heavens (if you believe in the FSM.)


If only there was some way to harness that, some sort of ethernet...
2012-07-01 07:03:50 PM  
1 votes:

Edgewood Dirk: Hmmm. I have never synced my facebook to my contact list. Does Facebook think I'm bad for this?


I've explicitly unchecked "sync contacts from Facebook" on my HTC Rezoudn yet all of them show up in my Dialer (not People/Contacts) what gives?
2012-07-01 07:01:32 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, what a mess this has become. It went from lame and merely annoying to disrupting communications. I'm glad I still update contacts on mobile devices the old-fashioned way: one at a time.
2012-07-01 06:53:37 PM  
1 votes:
Facebook is well on its way to being the next Blue Mountain or MySpace...
2012-07-01 06:18:05 PM  
1 votes:

Huck Chaser: skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

That's...kind of the whole point. People are trying to send messages to a personal or work email address, and they're getting routed without their knowledge or consent to Facebook instead.


No the whole point is don't use Facebook for vital communications. If that, just on the surface without knowing the details (and I don't) isn't obvious to you...

Facebook is for telling your friends that you really loved the new Avengers movie. Or organizing an event, maybe. Or for a restaurant to pump out info on their new menu. Whatever.

Not vital communications.
2012-07-01 05:15:18 PM  
1 votes:

skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.


There's that, but this is about the FB mobile app changing the address of their contacts on their mobile devices.

Thus, a critical email (going to say, a work address, is instead directed to some f*cking facebook address).

I'm fairly close to just deleting my FB account anyway.
 
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