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2012-07-01 05:00:37 PM  

"...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."


I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

 
2012-07-01 05:15:18 PM  

skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.


There's that, but this is about the FB mobile app changing the address of their contacts on their mobile devices.

Thus, a critical email (going to say, a work address, is instead directed to some f*cking facebook address).

I'm fairly close to just deleting my FB account anyway.
 
2012-07-01 05:17:57 PM  

skinink: I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.


Yeah, what? I was going to say "You mean pictures of my junk might not get to their intended victim? Oh my god. The horror. The horror."
 
2012-07-01 05:44:48 PM  

skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.


That's...kind of the whole point. People are trying to send messages to a personal or work email address, and they're getting routed without their knowledge or consent to Facebook instead.
 
2012-07-01 06:09:32 PM  
For all I know, I could be missing a lot more e-mails from friends, colleagues, or family members, and never even know it.

That's your average Facebook user. They have hundreds of friends but no one dare call or write to one another.
 
2012-07-01 06:18:05 PM  

Huck Chaser: skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

That's...kind of the whole point. People are trying to send messages to a personal or work email address, and they're getting routed without their knowledge or consent to Facebook instead.


No the whole point is don't use Facebook for vital communications. If that, just on the surface without knowing the details (and I don't) isn't obvious to you...

Facebook is for telling your friends that you really loved the new Avengers movie. Or organizing an event, maybe. Or for a restaurant to pump out info on their new menu. Whatever.

Not vital communications.
 
2012-07-01 06:25:55 PM  

downstairs: No the whole point is don't use Facebook for vital communications. If that, just on the surface without knowing the details (and I don't) isn't obvious to you..


I don't think you understand. Let's say I'm FB friends with Steve in payroll. The FB app decides to change all the email addresses on my iPhone to FB addresses, which then syncs with Outlook.

I send an email to steve about my paycheck, but it ends up in his FB mailbox.
 
2012-07-01 06:53:37 PM  
Facebook is well on its way to being the next Blue Mountain or MySpace...
 
2012-07-01 06:55:15 PM  
I sync my phone with Facebook for many of my contacts.

Here's part of your problem.
 
2012-07-01 06:59:16 PM  

Babwa Wawa: downstairs: No the whole point is don't use Facebook for vital communications. If that, just on the surface without knowing the details (and I don't) isn't obvious to you..

I don't think you understand. Let's say I'm FB friends with Steve in payroll. The FB app decides to change all the email addresses on my iPhone to FB addresses, which then syncs with Outlook.

I send an email to steve about my paycheck, but it ends up in his FB mailbox.


Gotcha. Yeah, that's pretty evil. One would expect to be able to install the FB app and not have it do that. I don't use FB, so I'm not aware of how all this works. Email pretty much does everything I need to do, still don't understand how twitter/FB/etc. are better than plain ol' email.

If I want to share a stupid LOLcat photo, or invite friends to a party, or list the new menu at my friend's restaurant... I blast out emails.
 
2012-07-01 07:01:32 PM  
Wow, what a mess this has become. It went from lame and merely annoying to disrupting communications. I'm glad I still update contacts on mobile devices the old-fashioned way: one at a time.
 
2012-07-01 07:01:38 PM  
Hmmm. I have never synced my facebook to my contact list. Does Facebook think I'm bad for this?
 
2012-07-01 07:03:50 PM  

Edgewood Dirk: Hmmm. I have never synced my facebook to my contact list. Does Facebook think I'm bad for this?


I've explicitly unchecked "sync contacts from Facebook" on my HTC Rezoudn yet all of them show up in my Dialer (not People/Contacts) what gives?
 
2012-07-01 07:04:13 PM  
Did you expect differently ?
 
2012-07-01 07:06:21 PM  

downstairs: invite friends to a party


This is the one and only thing that I truly believe is much much much easier to do via Facebook than via email, snail mail, or telephone.
 
2012-07-01 07:07:12 PM  

star_topology: Edgewood Dirk: Hmmm. I have never synced my facebook to my contact list. Does Facebook think I'm bad for this?

I've explicitly unchecked "sync contacts from Facebook" on my HTC Rezoudn yet all of them show up in my Dialer (not People/Contacts) what gives?


No idea. I have never synced mine, and they are both separate contact lists (meaning the one on my 4S and my FB ones)
 
2012-07-01 07:09:35 PM  
Ha! Ha! I told Facebook not to sync contacts with my mobile device over a year ago, so I haven't lost any "vital communications." The rest of you sheeple suck.
 
2012-07-01 07:11:58 PM  

Huck Chaser: downstairs: invite friends to a party

This is the one and only thing that I truly believe is much much much easier to do via Facebook than via email, snail mail, or telephone.


No idea how FB works in this respect, but inviting people to a party is often selective. I'm good friends with a guy and a girl who had a nasty break up. Its smart for us to only invite one of them to a party. I'm not on either of their "sides" in their stupid drama... but I wouldn't want to invite all my friends to a party and put them in an awkward situation.
 
2012-07-01 07:12:21 PM  
My 20,000 shares of FB bought at $26.31 prompt me to suggest there is nothing to see here...

assets.sbnation.com
 
2012-07-01 07:12:22 PM  
there is a lot of misdirected anger in this thread. good work guys.
 
2012-07-01 07:13:30 PM  

downstairs: I wouldn't want to invite all my friends to a party and put them in an awkward situation.


fark all that noise. Invite them both and let the chips fall where they may. We're all adults.
 
2012-07-01 07:18:51 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: downstairs: I wouldn't want to invite all my friends to a party and put them in an awkward situation.

fark all that noise. Invite them both and let the chips fall where they may. We're all adults.


Good for you. I'm sensitive to my friends' requests that they don't want to be around so-and-so. I consider that- you know- being a good friend, and staying away from their drama.
 
2012-07-01 07:21:52 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: My 20,000 shares of FB bought at $26.31 prompt me to suggest there is nothing to see here...

[assets.sbnation.com image 400x300]


Help me out with the math on your burn - 20,000 shares bought at $26.31, and it's at $31.09 now...
 
2012-07-01 07:30:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: skinink: I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

Yeah, what? I was going to say "You mean pictures of my junk might not get to their intended victim? Oh my god. The horror. The horror."


So, reading isn't really your thing.
 
2012-07-01 07:36:01 PM  
One very angry user is Adobe employee Rachel Luxemburg.

Dear Rachel,

You guys have truly idiotic ITS policies if what you described was allowed to happen and I have absolutely zero pity for you.

PS: Your company is terrible, I hope you all DIAFF. (flash fire, get it hur hur hur)
 
2012-07-01 07:36:54 PM  

star_topology: Edgewood Dirk: Hmmm. I have never synced my facebook to my contact list. Does Facebook think I'm bad for this?

I've explicitly unchecked "sync contacts from Facebook" on my HTC Rezoudn yet all of them show up in my Dialer (not People/Contacts) what gives?


I've run in to this myself. You've synced your contacts at least once and they live on your phone... Unchecking sync does not remove those contacts from the phone. You can however, in the dialer and/or contacts app choose which "list" of contacts to display. I've found it's easier to just not show those contacts rather than remove them because if you ever recheck sync, the phone will interpret your deletion as how it should be at the original data source - hence you could end up deleting those contacts back in the cloud... Farking stupid and counter-intuitive.
 
2012-07-01 07:46:20 PM  
"And even worse, the e-mails are not actually in my Facebook messages....They've vanished into the ether. "

Yes, your emails have somehow made it from Facebook to the upper regions of space, or to the heavens (if you believe in the FSM.)
 
2012-07-01 07:47:07 PM  

Babwa Wawa: skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

There's that, but this is about the FB mobile app changing the address of their contacts on their mobile devices.

Thus, a critical email (going to say, a work address, is instead directed to some f*cking facebook address).

I'm fairly close to just deleting my FB account anyway.


I did a few days ago. Couldn't be happier about it. Facebook is nothing but inane bullshiat, and personally, I'm better off without it. Time wasted on Facebook is time I could spend on better things, like fapping to midget porn.
 
2012-07-01 07:49:15 PM  

El Freak: Babwa Wawa: skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

There's that, but this is about the FB mobile app changing the address of their contacts on their mobile devices.

Thus, a critical email (going to say, a work address, is instead directed to some f*cking facebook address).

I'm fairly close to just deleting my FB account anyway.

I did a few days ago. Couldn't be happier about it. Facebook is nothing but inane bullshiat, and personally, I'm better off without it. Time wasted on Facebook is time I could spend on better things, like fapping to midget porntalking about Facebook on other sites.


Fixed for you
 
2012-07-01 07:50:19 PM  

Evenbiggerknickers: "And even worse, the e-mails are not actually in my Facebook messages....They've vanished into the ether. "

Yes, your emails have somehow made it from Facebook to the upper regions of space, or to the heavens (if you believe in the FSM.)


If only there was some way to harness that, some sort of ethernet...
 
2012-07-01 07:55:39 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I sync my phone with Facebook for many of my contacts.

Here's part of your problem.


Yeah..

I miss the days when people used different aliases and such for different activities online. And when you didn't have to sign in for every darn website. Syncing everything through one source just makes me uneasy...

/why I don't use gmail too.
//adjusts digital onion on belt.
 
2012-07-01 07:59:10 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I sync my phone with Facebook for many of my contacts.

Here's part of your problem.


Yes, doing this is sheer idiocy. Never let third parties like that get their hooks into your contacts or anything else that's important to you.
 
2012-07-01 08:04:29 PM  
I just wonder when those contacts will get "Join Facebook!" spam.
 
2012-07-01 08:11:24 PM  
Maybe Facebook can find a way to blame this on Nasdaq somehow.
 
2012-07-01 08:12:29 PM  
Facebook has jumped the shark.

What's coming next? Will Pintrest draw people? Or has Facebook reached some sort of critical mass?

//I didn't mention Google+ on purpose.
 
2012-07-01 08:17:31 PM  

Enuratique: star_topology: Edgewood Dirk: Hmmm. I have never synced my facebook to my contact list. Does Facebook think I'm bad for this?

I've explicitly unchecked "sync contacts from Facebook" on my HTC Rezoudn yet all of them show up in my Dialer (not People/Contacts) what gives?

I've run in to this myself. You've synced your contacts at least once and they live on your phone... Unchecking sync does not remove those contacts from the phone. You can however, in the dialer and/or contacts app choose which "list" of contacts to display. I've found it's easier to just not show those contacts rather than remove them because if you ever recheck sync, the phone will interpret your deletion as how it should be at the original data source - hence you could end up deleting those contacts back in the cloud... Farking stupid and counter-intuitive.


That's the way my Windows Phone works, too. It automatically pulls over your Facebook contacts when you add the account to your phone, but it keeps them as a separate list of contacts, so the best option is to filter the contacts in the People Hub settings to hide the contacts from that source:

cdn3.mos.techradar.com

Most modern smartphones handle contacts this way, so I have no idea how Facebook is overwriting the Exchange or local address book lists, unless the iPhone just handles them in a really stupid way.
 
2012-07-01 08:19:09 PM  
Makes me real glad I never allowed the FB address sync. I'm in IT and, in my experience, the biggest source of issues with email is 3rd party apps and plug-ins.

Don't integrate any part of your mail (mail, contacts, and calendar) with 3rd party systems. Not just for security, which is also a concern, but the fact is that occasionally they will Fark them up.

/users hate it when I have to tell them to go and manually delete all the duplicate contacts they just created on their last mail sync.
 
2012-07-01 08:19:15 PM  
What info will they change for me next?

Birth date to attract more advertisers?

Privacy settings? (wait, they do that every few months anyway)
 
2012-07-01 08:35:34 PM  

Karne: StoneColdAtheist: My 20,000 shares of FB bought at $26.31 prompt me to suggest there is nothing to see here...

[assets.sbnation.com image 400x300]

Help me out with the math on your burn - 20,000 shares bought at $26.31, and it's at $31.09 now...


Shhh, don't tell my wife. I want to surprise her with the new Porsche. ;^)
 
2012-07-01 08:38:24 PM  

Huck Chaser: downstairs: invite friends to a party

This is the one and only thing that I truly believe is much much much easier to do via Facebook than via email, snail mail, or telephone.


Because all your friends use Facebook? Or do you not invite your friends to parties if they don't use Facebook? Because if you have friends that don't use it and you want to invite them to the party you have to use email, snail mail, or the phone anyway. Right? OK, so how much harder is it to email two people than it is to email one? Oooh, one click harder! And how much harder is it to email 10 people than one? 9 clicks, max. So unless you are planning a wedding reception or something (doubtful), inviting 50 people to a party via email while you are emailing the one person you know who doesn't Facebook is only an extra 49 clicks...about 30 seconds of your time, and not enough physical effort to burn a measurable fraction of a calorie.

Hardly a justifiable reason to use Facebook given all the negatives.

Fark Facebook. It is eating itself.
 
2012-07-01 08:38:51 PM  
...vital communication is being lost? Seriously?

If you use Zuckbook as a critical form of communication you deserve to get farked.
 
2012-07-01 08:43:28 PM  

skinink: "...worse, the changes have gone unnoticed by users and vital communication is being lost."
I pity the fool who uses Facebook for vital communications.

 
2012-07-01 08:46:29 PM  

OneNightStand: ...vital communication is being lost? Seriously?

If you use Zuckbook as a critical form of communication you deserve to get farked.


You seem to be unclear on what is happening.

A person is attempting to send an important email to a contact. They've always used this contact for the person ... it used to go to their work email. But facebook snuck in and changed the contact to go to the target's facebook address.

They are not trying to send to the "Zuckbook" address ... facebook has replaced the proper email address without their knowledge or permission.
 
2012-07-01 08:48:35 PM  
Glad I kept email and Facebook completely separate. Facebook has messaging if people on Facebook want to send me something. Never understood why I'd want to bring email into it.
 
2012-07-01 08:51:50 PM  
Question, is communication between individuals through private message on facebook protected to the same extent that an email message/phone text/ect is?

I venture to say no, as in if Facebook was paid enough by the NSA/Cia/fbi ect they could legally sell your private conversations.

But I really don't know, which is why I'm asking.
 
2012-07-01 08:51:58 PM  
If you have important contact info on your phone or laptop synced from Facebook - you are a moron.

No, you're a moron, I'm not arguing this.
 
2012-07-01 08:53:00 PM  
Facebook: All Your Email Belong To Us.
 
2012-07-01 09:08:35 PM  

Farking Canuck: They are not trying to send to the "Zuckbook" address ... facebook has replaced the proper email address without their knowledge or permission.


If they have an Android phone, they did indeed give permissions when they downloaded the Facebook app.

(Unless they had an LG phone which came with the Facebook app preinstalled and not deletable without rooting the phone. Can't really blame the user there...)
 
2012-07-01 09:14:00 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If you have important contact info on your phone or laptop synced from Facebook - you are a moron.

No, you're a moron, I'm not arguing this.


Gonna have to agree.

Like, I'm sorry Mr. Caunuck. Your argument doesn't hold up.

See. you're leaving out the part of the "trying to send an important/critical email" example the part where the retard in question is trying to do so...via Zuckbook. If he'd manually, via a normal email system, send that important or critical email to your corp or personal email, it would arrive as normal.

That the retard in question is trying to use FaceFark to do his 'important' communications means the user is question is, well...a moron.
 
2012-07-01 09:28:50 PM  

xaks: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If you have important contact info on your phone or laptop synced from Facebook - you are a moron.

No, you're a moron, I'm not arguing this.

Gonna have to agree.

Like, I'm sorry Mr. Caunuck. Your argument doesn't hold up.

See. you're leaving out the part of the "trying to send an important/critical email" example the part where the retard in question is trying to do so...via Zuckbook. If he'd manually, via a normal email system, send that important or critical email to your corp or personal email, it would arrive as normal.

That the retard in question is trying to use FaceFark to do his 'important' communications means the user is question is, well...a moron.


You really don't get it do you?

Nobody is trying to use Facebook to send anything here. Facebook can be completely closed and logged out and this problem still exists for people who haven't discovered the changes yet.

They made the mistake of allowing Facebook to sync to their contacts and Facebook snuck into their regular email client and changed their contacts. There was no reason for them to suspect that their contacts had been compromised ... nobody goes into all their contacts every day to make sure their are all ok.

To summarize:
- they did not use Facebook to send anything important as you are insisting
- they used their regular email client as you suggest they do
- they addressed the email they same way they always have ... by using the contact that goes to the target's work email

Yes it was a mistake to allow Facebook access to their contact list. But it worked fine for weeks/months/years. All of a sudden things went bad when Facebook overstepped their bounds and started farking with people contacts without warning or permission.

Facebook is still the bad guy here.
 
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