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(The New York Times)   Soda industry uses facts to fight NYC ban. Just kidding, they're going full R.J. Reynolds   (nytimes.com) divider line 30
    More: Followup, manufacturers, New York, American Beverage Association, board of health, deputy mayor, President Bill Clinton  
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2012-07-01 05:26:36 PM  
6 votes:
That's just silly, you can't smoke soda.
2012-07-01 11:52:15 PM  
3 votes:

treesloth: I hope they win. This is just stupid. No, dumbassberg, you shouldn't be allowed to force people to be healthy. Deal with it.


Are you saying, Bloomberg is a soda jerk?
2012-07-01 07:43:30 PM  
3 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: [img4.imageshack.us image 640x426]

//you sound fat


I just wanna know if they have those shirts in XL or larger.
2012-07-01 07:13:58 PM  
3 votes:
This is bullshiat, unless it's illegal, the only way government should have a say in what you can or can't drink, smoke, or eat is if they're actually paying for our healthca........oops....nevermind.
2012-07-01 06:36:08 PM  
3 votes:
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//you sound fat
2012-07-01 08:18:19 PM  
2 votes:

thedarkjedi: Mayor Bloomberg has the right idea, but the plan is just stupid. You can't pass a law telling American's not to be fat-asses. They'll find a way.


it is really difficult to reason with people in words anymore. This is a much better approach...

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2012-07-02 11:39:07 AM  
1 votes:

DerAppie: The freedom of people to be fat infringes on the freedom of society to not pay for people choosing to be fat.


Take that up with the people who made society pay for everyone's weight problems.
2012-07-02 09:42:33 AM  
1 votes:

thornhill: When Mayor Nutter in Philadelphia proposed a soda tax a few years ago, the soda lobby claimed it would result in the elimination of thousands of jobs using some highly fuzzy fizzy math. So basically they claimed that any attempt to discourage people from drinking drinks high in sugar would be bad for the economy.

2012-07-02 08:18:46 AM  
1 votes:
ciberido: Explain the logic underlying this "you also have a responsibility to your community to care for your personal health" claim. On the surface, it sounds like a pretty ridiculous thing to say, but I'm keen to hear how you arrive at this idea.

Harry_Seldon: Your community is your friends, family, coworkers, etc. You are socially embedded in a society whether you like it or not. It was clear from the Humanism school of thought that liberty and freedom required personal responsibility. James Madison was pretty clear on this concept.

If you act in ways that recklessly impair your health, you are externalizing the costs of your behavior on to your local community. I have a cowoker who have all the chronic problems of type 2 diabetes. He misses work, his coworkers have to do more work. He have increased health care costs which have to be subsidized by his healthier coworkers. His family and friends are impacted by his health issues in myriad of ways. His children suffer from his diminished capacity, and potential impact on his earning power.

Yet, he continues to eat poorly, and not manage his health. His community has to carry his sad sack because he has the freedom to not eat better, watch his weight, and follow medical advice.


That's a very sad story, but you failed to include any actual argument.
2012-07-02 08:13:15 AM  
1 votes:

Harry_Seldon: If you are overweight, please don't sit near me in public spaces and events. I am tired of fat people spilling over into my personal space as they exercise their freedom to be fat.


And I am tired of listening to hateful bigots as they exercise their freedom to be loudmouth asshats. So I guess neither of us get what we want.
2012-07-01 11:47:38 PM  
1 votes:

BlippityBleep: altrocks: BlippityBleep: there's a disturbing number of folks here that agree with this asshattery.

There's also a disturbing number of people in this thread who think that limits are bans and that anarchy is liberty. I don't agree with this approach to the problem, but I also don't think it's the end of liberty and freedom as we know it. Just because I can't buy a 5 gallon jug of whiskey at Walmart doesn't mean we're in prohibition.

setting a limit is an abuse of power, and the extra packaging has negative environmental effects. seriously, who the fark cares what size soda somebody wants, and how the fark is this an important enough topic to bring up in ANY city?


Like I said, I don't agree with the solution Bloomberg is trying, but at least he IS trying. Basically, instead of going with the way he basically banned all smoking form the city, he's trying what was seen in The Fifth Element.

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Control the amount consumed in an effort to improve the quality of the public's health. I can't say I disagree with the desired outcome, but the method seems sloppy and inefficient in the current situation. It's not going to stop anyone from getting refills, or buying 2 drinks or just bringing their own 2-liter along with them. And, as you pointed out, there are unintended environmental consequences to selling more, but smaller quantities. Even so, that doesn't make this the worst idea ever, or even the worst idea this year.

As for how important it is, that's a matter of what you find important. If the current epidemics of obesity and diabetes aren't a concern to you, then I guess this isn't very important at all. For a public official dealing with millions of citizens, many of whom are obese, diabetic and sucking up a lot more resources because of it, it might be a much greater concern.
2012-07-01 10:02:47 PM  
1 votes:
Is that 16 oz limit including the ice or not?

Because I've had many occasions where I'd order a 20oz soda and get about 16oz of ice.
2012-07-01 08:40:43 PM  
1 votes:
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wtf is this guy's problem?
2012-07-01 08:15:12 PM  
1 votes:
Look, when adults are concerned, I'm all for freedom of choice. Even poor choices. But is this really what the Founders fought for? The right to express-lane diabetes?

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Poor, uneducated people basically need to have their options limited, because let's be honest, they make horrible decisions.


Well, yeah, as you say "uneducated" - why else would poor folks get payday loans, use rent-to-own stores, vote Republican? Uninformed choice is hardly freedom of choice in any real sense.
2012-07-01 08:12:03 PM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: Harry_Seldon: Fundamentally, liberty goes along with personally responsibility. You have the liberty to largely consume as much manufactured food products as you can afford; but you also have a responsibility to your community to care for your personal health. Freedom and personal responsibility go together. That is why Americans can be so childish. They want unlimited liberty to do as they please, but also want no personal responsibility for their actions, especially where those actions have long term potential consequences.

There is no responsibility to the community to care for one's health. That is the very opposite of personal responsibility. Nice try though.

Interestingly enough, it's people like you who try to subvert and interfere with personal responsibility wherever it occurs.

A lot of these "problems" will work themselves out when the nanny staters among us stop trying to shield people from the natural consequences of their actions.


If you are overweight, please don't sit near me in public spaces and events. I am tired of fat people spilling over into my personal space as they exercise their freedom to be fat.
2012-07-01 08:11:07 PM  
1 votes:
Remember when people took even a little personal responsibility for their actions?
2012-07-01 08:05:31 PM  
1 votes:
You can still get these, right?

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2012-07-01 07:58:57 PM  
1 votes:
But I can still get my huge Jamba Juice, right?

/cuz it's so much better for me.
2012-07-01 07:55:37 PM  
1 votes:
Poor, uneducated people basically need to have their options limited, because let's be honest, they make horrible decisions.
2012-07-01 07:54:28 PM  
1 votes:
/off to get a yard of beer at my local.
2012-07-01 07:29:22 PM  
1 votes:

downstairs: Ok, so you can't sell soda more than 16 ounces? I want 32 ounces... guess what I'm going to do?


Have a refill?

While it is not a particularly good fight to start because Americans are rather childish about being told "no.". The reality is that lots of people drink too much soda and other sugary beverages. At home and work, I use a smaller cup, and refill it if I want more. I really don't see how this is much of an issue at the end of the day.

We get all the free beverages we want at work (soda, coffee, tea, etc). However, the cup size is limited to 16 ounces. I don't believe one person ever complained.
2012-07-01 07:29:15 PM  
1 votes:

aerojockey: /you crazy NYers know it's really called pop, right?


It would appear as though "soda" is the older name, by almost 300 years ("soda" is first attested in 1558; "pop" in 1812)*. Not that what came first is correct, necessarily, but there's certainly significant precedent there.

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* Von Schneidemesser, L. (1996). Soda or Pop? Journal of English Linguistics, 24(4), 270-287.
2012-07-01 07:25:26 PM  
1 votes:
Farva wants his liter of cola.

It's for a cop so make it good.

Hold the spit.
2012-07-01 07:24:20 PM  
1 votes:

TheManofPA: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: minoridiot: I've stopped buying soft drinks with HFC syrup. For whatever reason, soft drinks with HFC sit heavy in my stomach and make me feel bloated. I've noticed that soft drinks made with real sugar do not have the effect, and actually taste better. If they are going to ban anything, it should be HFC syrup.

This^^^

Also try to drink 32oz of full sugar soda.. ya its not really possible without getting sick.

That's a 64oz challenge. Try drinking 64 oz of regular Pepsi or Coke in under 10 minutes. It can be done mind you, but most end up throwing up and a fair number that do finish end up just feeling bleh and laying down.


Kids, don't try this at home. Let your school's janitor mop up your vomit.
2012-07-01 07:20:03 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, should say hello to the "people who think there's some vast difference between HFCS and sucrose", like sugar is some kind of health and taste miracle.
2012-07-01 07:19:58 PM  
1 votes:
Next up, pastrami sandwiches and NY pizzas. Those two things have killed more children than any form of liquid candy.
2012-07-01 07:15:47 PM  
1 votes:

Albert: This is bullshiat, unless it's illegal, the only way government should have a say in what you can or can't drink, smoke, or eat is if they're actually paying for our healthca........oops....nevermind.


Psssssst hey buddy there is no free healthcare. Its either you buy it or get taxed for not having it... But you go ahead and believe in unicorns ok...
2012-07-01 07:15:12 PM  
1 votes:
They need to go full Tonya Harding.

/seriously, there isn't a more important issue for NYC than 20oz sodas?
2012-07-01 06:25:34 PM  
1 votes:
The hilariously hypocritical thing is that Bloomberg's own company provides free unlimited sodas to its employees.
2012-07-01 05:22:43 PM  
1 votes:
What size is that can, citizen?
 
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