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2012-07-01 04:24:08 PM  
11 votes:
This is exactly what the GOP wants the country to become, folks.
2012-07-01 03:49:13 PM  
8 votes:
She stopped getting raises in the last year or two because, Sullivan says, her pay had surpassed the maximum a greeter could earn. She made $15.32 an hour.

I wonder why they fired her. Hmm.
2012-07-01 03:30:13 PM  
7 votes:
Having worked in retail on Black Friday and for the Christmas season, I think getting up at 2am to stampede for overpriced commercial crap should be a capital offense.

But my opinion isn't the law.
2012-07-01 03:35:01 PM  
5 votes:

EnviroDude: Suing Walmart is harder than getting Obama to tell the truth about his birth certificate.


So, you're saying it's ridiculously easy to sue Walmart?

/ can't believe people actually fall for the birther nonsense
// sad thing is, these people are allowed to vote and breed
2012-07-01 02:53:07 PM  
5 votes:
That's a hell of a hard luck story and all, but it seems she was fired for cause. If she believes Walmart presented evidence in bad faith, she should have sued in small claims court immediately. At the very least, she'd be able to get the evidence of her misconduct.

Which is why I suspect she was having a bad day, and acting on vague direction from her manager, grabbed a customer.

The idea that a lawyer would (a) take this woman on her word that she didn't grab the customer and (b) go up against Walmart for a few hundred dollars in fees is absurd. She feels she was wronged, she needs to go to small claims court, not wait around for some farking lawyer to gallop in on his damned Lexus.

The whole story reads like something from the Consumerist.
2012-07-01 06:02:33 PM  
4 votes:

Dr.Zom: wickedragon: I. Love. Living. In. Norway.

Fark your third world country americants

Sounds like paradise.


Yes, last year Norway suffered a terrorist attack by a crazy person, and still we march on towards a better tomorrow rather than waste the economy on pointless blind angry strikes against the world. Thank you for the critizism.
2012-07-01 05:45:25 PM  
4 votes:

Digitalstrange:
She lost her temper with an asshole customer and jacked them up. I can understand it but it will get you fired. Quit crying about it.


Maybe she was pushed and grabbed to stop the fall, maybe she was pushed and pushed back, maybe the customer was being an a-hole and she grabbed them to put them back in line. Whatever happened, if she had already been at that store for 22 years without complaints she shouldn't have been fired for one incident. FTA the customer didn't even complain, the manager just decided to be a dick and fire a woman with 22 years of service because of something he saw on a security camera.

I know it's naive to expect employers to actually give a damn about their employees these days, especially when it's Wal-Mart, but anyone can have a bad day, and getting fired for one mistake after spending that long at a company is ridiculous.
2012-07-01 05:44:18 PM  
4 votes:
My wife would side with the greeter on this one, for sure. She did sue Walmart for wrongful termination, and got a settlement out of them. She isn't allowed to say anything about this, but I can!!

Walmart's lawyers are the nastiest, most despicable legal team out there. It took a very long time to get her settlement, and the questions asked during deposition were sought to be threatening and intimidating, along with being far too personal and incredibly traumatizing. It was like getting worked over by Walmart a second time around. There were no threats of violence, but they had spent a lot of money finding out EVERYTHING about my wife - including that she is gay and her partner was also dying of cancer at the time, so how could she possibly have enjoyed life anyhow even though they *might* have done her wrong blah blah blah. Also threats to out her to her next employers, to her family, out her partner publically and all that. Pretty nasty stuff all in all. That was the nice part of the whole thing, compared to the other things they said/imtimated/threatened.

I do feel bad for this woman since she really has no recourse and would be dealing with the sharkiest of landsharks even if she had the resources or support to sue.
2012-07-01 05:33:36 PM  
4 votes:
"Walmart was like my home," she says. "Like my family."

One has to feel badly for this woman. One has to feel badly about anyone who has been so duped by an employer that they feel that the corporation seems like home and family.
2012-07-01 03:12:34 PM  
4 votes:
Suing Walmart is harder than getting Obama to tell the truth about his birth certificate. I know an attorney who sued them and won. She took 3 years to do it and described their lawyers as having less ethics than used car salesmen that used to be IRS auditors.

Hope this woman gets the help she needs
2012-07-01 06:13:43 PM  
3 votes:
Short version of the article, with comments:

- Walked away from two husbands
- No family or friends except for acquaintances with neighbors and co-workers
- Severely overweight, probably causing the diabetic symptoms
- On a minimum wage job
- Got $50k for retirement, but in her 70's decided to sink it all into expensive upgrades for her house
- No significant savings
- No plan for old age
- Stupid manager put a 70-something year old fat woman in charge of managing door access during black friday
- Something stupid and unimportant happened and without a complaint (that we know about) chose to pick her out from a video feed and fire her pretty much immediately
- When someone gets fired like that, the person doing the firing has thought about it for a while and was happy to have the excuse
- Someone else finds out that if you live your whole life with no plan, no thought about the future, and you burn all the bluebirds that come to you, that you're going to end up 70-something, destitute, unable to work, and unhappy

Did I miss anything?
2012-07-01 06:08:37 PM  
3 votes:

butterflyfart: I don't feel sorry for her. In retail a worker NEVER under any cause touch a person. It doesn't matter if she was pushed and grabbed the women because she was falling. By doing so said custamor now can claim injury due to being grabbed. All she had to do was fall down and get workmans comp for 10 months. After working for Wal Mart for 20 years she knew that.


Are you unfamiliar with the concept of reflexes? Especially in a situation in which being trampled to death has actually happened, most people's brains would go careening into "do not end up defenceless on the ground" mode.
2012-07-01 05:56:36 PM  
3 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Babwa Wawa: Which is why I suspect she was having a bad day, and acting on vague direction from her manager, grabbed a customer.

If she wasn't an obese feeble diabetic senior citizen, I might agree with you. But with what information we have to work with, I just don't see her picking a fistfight as being the most likely case.


She could also sue Walmart for putting her in a position that was impossible for her to fill, that is playing security guard at the front door of the Walmart. A security guard should have staked out that position, not a 4'11" 73 year old lady.
2012-07-01 05:38:52 PM  
3 votes:

Ima4nic8or: Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.


It's good to know that we've raised a generation that can't believe people when they say something.

Now if only that translated to not believing idiot politicians and Breitbart.
2012-07-01 05:36:08 PM  
3 votes:

Ima4nic8or: Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.


It's a shame the woman didn't take her cues from this generation. Everyone knows now if you are shoved, especially while on the job or in a department store, you make a big show of falling, knock over a display if you can. Wail and moan, then have the police and paramedics called. Claim your back and neck are so very sore and need medical attention, you'd also like to press charges for assault. Proceed to sue the woman that shoved you, her insurance company, the store you work for, the brand label of the display you fell into, if the building is not owned the lease holder etc.

/it's the American way
//only half kidding...
2012-07-01 05:33:48 PM  
3 votes:
I'd say I would boycott Walmart for this but I haven't shopped at that shiathole since 2001 so I have no boycott ammo left.
2012-07-01 05:33:08 PM  
3 votes:

Ima4nic8or: Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.


Meh, it's WalMart. Their corporate motto is CHEAPER CHEAPER CHEAPER. Any excuse to dump an employee making what she was is good enough. It's not like she'll have the means to fight it. They just saved about 50% an hour on that position kicking her out.
2012-07-01 05:28:43 PM  
3 votes:
Ah, Florida. Where a young healthy man can murder another young healthy man and it's A-OK because he was "Standing his ground," but an old woman gets fired for touching someone to stop herself from falling down.

I only refrain from the theory of bombing them back into the Paleolithic because my aged grandmother lives there.
2012-07-01 06:42:48 PM  
2 votes:
1. Assign dangerous work to 4' 11", 73-year old woman on the craziest day of the year
2. Watch her closely to catch her breaking one of the million rules in corporate rulebook
3. Get promoted for saving the corporation that high wage and protecting against a chance of litigation
4. Profit!!

Manager was a dick, which is exactly the kind of person Walmart likes.

/Walmart sucks
//As was said earlier by others; can't boycott what I already avoid
2012-07-01 06:04:43 PM  
2 votes:

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: TuteTibiImperes:
I know it's naive to expect employers to actually give a damn about their employees these days, especially when it's Wal-Mart, but anyone can have a bad day, and getting fired for one mistake after spending that long at a company is ridiculous.

I hate to say it, but the manager absolutely had to fire her for touching a customer for a number of reasons. The customer could come back with a lawyer and sue everyone involved. Another employee could be fired for punching another customer and claim the old lady never got fired and sue for something or other. Manager could be fired then blackballed for ignoring it. Etc.

In most big businesses it's black and white as to policy. Especially if you work for managers who want to make it to district someday.


It was probably policy, but following policy over what is right on a human level is what's wrong with a lot of businesses today. Given that the woman who was grabbed just walked off (and likely never gave the situation another thought) the chances are slim she would have come back with a lawyer, and who knows if other employees even saw it. I would have rolled the dice and weighed 22 years of service against taking action based on some policy whose implementation was at my sole discretion and just sat the women down, told her to not touch customers in the future, and had that be the end of it.

/Guess I'm not cut out to be a Wal-Mart manager.
//Work for one of the last independent family-owned businesses in an industry that is increasingly becoming dominated by corporate chains, I still have to bend to the will of The Man, but at least I'm on a first name basis with him.
2012-07-01 06:02:27 PM  
2 votes:
Anyone that thinks it's impossible that she was reflexively trying to steady herself has clearly never worked retail on Black Friday/Boxing Day. I came home with random bruises every year, and that was in a store much more upscale than WalMart.
2012-07-01 05:59:52 PM  
2 votes:
She had no retirement fund with Walmart, but she was among the employees eligible for the company's now-extinct profit-sharing program. About four years ago, she got $50,000.

Sullivan didn't know where to invest the money, so she sank it into her house: Italian wood cabinets, Brazilian wood flooring, quartz countertops.


gifsforum.com
2012-07-01 05:48:56 PM  
2 votes:

ToxicMunkee: She must have some wicked fast reflexes, because the last time I was shoved backwards without warning I stumbled backwards and fell on my ass.


For a 73 year old woman? Perhaps.

But I know I've been pushed and been able to reach out and grab something to hold myself up before. You know, when you're sort of wobbling and you haven't *quite* lost your footing yet.

I wonder, if she had fallen and broken her hips, what the story would be.
2012-07-01 05:47:07 PM  
2 votes:
I. Love. Living. In. Norway.

Fark your third world country americants
2012-07-01 05:43:55 PM  
2 votes:
Damn, stories like this really inspire me to make sure I plan well enough to not have to rely on a minimum wage job when I'm 73. Jesus.
2012-07-01 05:40:38 PM  
2 votes:

bearcats1983: Relatively Obscure: She stopped getting raises in the last year or two because, Sullivan says, her pay had surpassed the maximum a greeter could earn. She made $15.32 an hour.

I wonder why they fired her. Hmm.

Damn, that's good money for doing nothing more than saying "hello" and pointing to carts all day. That's more than many make right out of college.

I always assumed most greeters were retired, made minimum wage, and just needed something to do with their time.


She had worked for Walmart for over 20 years, so that doesn't surprise me.
2012-07-01 05:36:05 PM  
2 votes:
Crowdfunding maybe?
2012-07-01 05:35:26 PM  
2 votes:
Our family props a single plastic cup full of Lipton tea in front of our Grandma every weekend, I don't see why it's such a tragic image.
/She's in her 90s and has general senile dementia
//Doing pretty well for all of that
2012-07-01 05:33:10 PM  
2 votes:

ToxicMunkee: She must have some wicked fast reflexes, because the last time I was shoved backwards without warning I stumbled backwards and fell on my ass.


exactly. that and the way the drama is layed on here like mortar makes me highly suspicious.

1) Self made woman? She worked at Wal-Mart for 22 years. That isn't "self-made" That is too dumb or unmotivated to do anything better.

2)No kids and no pets? What did Wal-Mart have to do with that?

3) Husband left her? For a firing? Some marriage.

She lost her temper with an asshole customer and jacked them up. I can understand it but it will get you fired. Quit crying about it.
2012-07-01 05:32:02 PM  
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Ah, Florida. Where a young healthy man can murder another young healthy man and it's A-OK because he was "Standing his ground," but an old woman gets fired for touching someone to stop herself from falling down.

I only refrain from the theory of bombing them back into the Paleolithic because my aged grandmother lives there.


I live here and I give you permission to bomb us forward into the stone age.
2012-07-01 05:26:04 PM  
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: Babwa Wawa:
Florida is, I am sure, an at-will state, so "for cause" or not is meaningless. She has absolutely no case.


So is Texas. They can fire you if they don't like the color of your eyes, and you don't have a legal leg to stand on
2012-07-01 05:23:35 PM  
2 votes:
Jan Sullivan scoots back on the brown suede couch, and her slippers dangle off the edge. At 4 feet 11, her toes don't quite touch the floor.

She stares at a blue plastic cup filled with unsweet Lipton perched on her lap. Her cheeks are flushed, her eyes bloodshot. Her lips quiver. She's 73, a hard, self-made woman, raised on corn farms and cattle ranches. She is not a crier. But these last seven months have tried her.

Behind the couch, a window overlooks her front yard. Past wind chimes suspended from of a banyan tree, a white 4 by 4 post is dug into the St. Augustine grass. The words on the sign are bold and bright red: "SOLD IN 1 DAY."

It's a two-bedroom, white and brown cinder block home in Bay Pines. The house isn't fancy, but it's hers. She doesn't want to give it up.

For so long, Sullivan's life was her job. She worked for Walmart for 22 years and six months - selling batteries and basketball hoops and shotguns, stocking shelves, greeting customers.


Get. To the the farking. Point.

EnviroDude: Reality escapes you, doesn't it


Sometimes I wonder how people as dumb as you manage to get on the internet. Then I remember that there's no rule against the mentally retarded holding library cards.
2012-07-02 10:37:52 AM  
1 votes:

CheapEngineer: For those who haven't been keeping score, here's the "miserable farking douchebag" list for this thread.

Ima4nic8or
Digitalstrange
Babwa Wawa
butterflyfart
tarhammer
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom
Misconduc
stiletto_the_wise
grunthos


\not much interested in separating the trolls from the real douchebags
\\your prize is being favorited in red with "Douchebag"
\\\these posts of yours will be quotes in a year or two when you complain about some misfortune happening to you


So one becomes a miserable farking douchebag by pointing out that the woman caused 98% of her own problems and is now surprised at the results of decades of poor decision making instead of blaming the big company who fired her for grabbing a customer, according to their well established policy?

Sorry but I'm one of those annoying people who has to keep reminding people that you're welcome to make all the choices you want, as long as you recognize that the results belong to you, and you're responsible for the consequences.

She serially made bad choices and did nothing to secure her life in old age. If walmart hadn't fired her, one or more of about 20 things would have happened that would have left her in exactly the same position.

You simply cant cruise into your 70's with no savings, blow the one windfall that would have helped you get by, on a minimum wage walmart greeters job and hope things continue to work for you until you blissfully seize up.

There is a good lesson here for all of the fark readers, many of which I imagine are much younger than 70 and probably younger than I am. If you don't have a plan for when your body starts to break down, you're screwed because by that time there isn't anything you can do about it. When you make bad choices and fail to plan, eventually there comes a time where you don't have the physical or emotional or mental ability to fix it.

When that happens, its not the companies fault, its not the banks fault, its not the governments fault. Its your fault. I have great sympathy for people who make good choices and good decisions and get farked by something they couldn't really do anything about or get picked on by a bully. Neither of those things happened here.
2012-07-02 05:19:12 AM  
1 votes:
Lets put it this way.

The lady had an exemplarity career at Wal-mart. She was well liked. She contributed to the image of the store, participated in the programs, didn't steal half the merchandise and had a long working career.

IMO, a valued employee.

She was doing her job when the customer became a pain in the arse. Had she not, she would have been biatched at. Maybe disciplined. If she had fallen and broken a hip, Walmart would have fired her anyhow due to the expensive drain on their insurance and the necessary long and painful recovery time. Plus, at her age, there is the possibility of a serious injury pushing her into dementia due to the strain on her body's healing resources.

The manager was being a dick. He could have ignored the incident. Customers tend to act like animals on Black Friday anyhow and it's NOT a wise decision to place elderly folks in the front lines to defend the store.

Did some of the burly, young stock men out from the stock room. Customers tend to listen better to muscular 25 and 30 year olds.

I suspect this was an excuse to dispose of her and hire someone at half her pay and an excuse not to pay her retirement.

If she can find the woman, she can file civil charges against her, but she needs the security tapes. Including those which monitor the parking lot.

At her age, there is NO REASON to ruin her life. She worked her arse off through most of it and now has the right to relax.

I once worked for JC Penny. We had shoplifting problems but due to lawyers suing stores who grabbed thieves, we were NOT allowed to physically stop a thief. Yet, if we didn't and he got away we got biatched at.

K-mart, where I ran the stock room, had a different attitude. When I caught some buggers lifting stuff off the loading dock, I grabbed up a 2x4 from the pallet stack and chased them across the parking lot, determined to break some bones. They hoped in a waiting car and got away.

Walmart sucks. I've been shopping more and more at Target and if someone puts up a bulk center like SAM's, I'll switch over there. COSCO would be nice.

Besides, I've grown tired of the rude customers at Walmart. Nearly everyone gets in your f**king way and feels they have a RIGHT to do so.
At one time, I shopped Walmart mainly after midnight, when less customers were there. They had floor cleaners there using electric machines. Apparently, they didn't like them using their power because they hired in a company whose employees didn't seem to speak English and ran propane gas powered buffers and cleaners.

The exhaust filled the store to eye stinging, throat hurting proportions but I could leave. Walmart employees had to put up with the toxic mess for hours several times a week. The company didn't care.
2012-07-01 11:24:39 PM  
1 votes:
Paying 429 bucks a month on a RAV4 is where I starting thinking she didn't really make good decisions.

Pumping a 50k profit sharing dividend into new marble countertops when you're 69 years old is when I realized she was an idiot.

/If she'd even just put in simple savings, she's be getting enough back in interest to pay her mortgage, without ever touching the principle. Add SSI to that, and she'd be happy retired and off fishing.

//Was the 50k a hint to get the hell out from Walmart?
2012-07-01 09:50:31 PM  
1 votes:

Nately's Whore: Jesus you people have no sympathy. Cut the lady some slack. Her dad forced her to drop out of high school. You think she'd be brilliant at personal finance? I had a great aunt who didn't have a high school education... her husband made himself in charge of all the finances so guess what happened when he died? These were different times when women like her had few choices.

The woman seems to have a pretty good attitude for someone who had a shiatty life. People who go out on Black Friday are a bunch of goddamn animals.


Consumer whores can keep their Black Friday, yep. And I don't think this woman's a failure at all. She's had to deal with rough circumstances and survived. She had her own house, is well-liked by her neighbors, has a decent vehicle and a job she enjoyed for more than 20 years. That sounds like more success than most of us get, despite our best efforts.
2012-07-01 08:45:59 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus you people have no sympathy. Cut the lady some slack. Her dad forced her to drop out of high school. You think she'd be brilliant at personal finance? I had a great aunt who didn't have a high school education... her husband made himself in charge of all the finances so guess what happened when he died? These were different times when women like her had few choices.

The woman seems to have a pretty good attitude for someone who had a shiatty life. People who go out on Black Friday are a bunch of goddamn animals.
2012-07-01 06:36:17 PM  
1 votes:
I don't really feel sorry for her, I notice she has a bran new Rav4 SUV she's paying $400 a month on, while my finances I can afford it quite easily, I am in position I will get stuck for some $400 payment for 60 months.

I know far to many people who have no common sense when it comes to paying bills, going in debt every minute because of useless spending, what she needed was a decent car for $3-5000.

/still drives a crappy 1996 Audi A6 that I bought for $1500 without a scratch on it, 70k miles on it
//$400 im saving on a car/truck payment is going for beer :)
2012-07-01 06:31:06 PM  
1 votes:
if i had to make a guess or two either the footage showed a big mas of incoming customers between her and the camera when she was shoved and only caught her grabbing the customer's sweater, not that i think that if they had seen her being shoved first would have prevented her firing as anal as Wal-mart is about such things.

I feel sorry for the woman and i feel she should have gotten unemployment. Honestly unless you get caught stealing on the job or committing a crime you should get it.
2012-07-01 06:28:22 PM  
1 votes:

the_chief: I freaking hate that style of writing. It's a chore to read.


Annoying. Frustrating. Lazy. The writing style of John Woodrow Cox, failed novelist, current human interest reporter, leaves many readers in disgust. "I freaking hate that style of writing", says the_cheif. "It's a chore to read."

. . .
2012-07-01 06:23:02 PM  
1 votes:
It's called Black Friday for a reason.

It isn't White Friday, or Hispanic Friday.
2012-07-01 06:21:16 PM  
1 votes:
Not to be cold hearted but what the fark did she expect from Walmart?
2012-07-01 06:19:34 PM  
1 votes:

butterflyfart: I don't feel sorry for her. In retail a worker NEVER under any cause touch a person. It doesn't matter if she was pushed and grabbed the women because she was falling. By doing so said custamor now can claim injury due to being grabbed. All she had to do was fall down and get workmans comp for 10 months. After working for Wal Mart for 20 years she knew that.


Remember folks, this is America. Don't ever make any mistakes, and if you do, be a scumbag and find a way to work the system. 22 years of loyalty means absolutely jack squat.

In other news, is this the thread for trolls-in-training? Even for Fark, some of these comments are unreal.
2012-07-01 06:14:53 PM  
1 votes:

wickedragon: I. Love. Living. In. Norway.

Fark your third world country americants


So folks there who don't plan for the future and rack up incredible debts are allowed to stay in houses and drive cars they can't afford?

Does that apply just the citizens, or your immigrants too?
2012-07-01 06:10:42 PM  
1 votes:

apoptotic: Are you unfamiliar with the concept of reflexes? Especially in a situation in which being trampled to death has actually happened, most people's brains would go careening into "do not end up defenceless on the ground" mode.


Internet tough guys have the reflexes of a cat. They know just what to do!
2012-07-01 06:06:26 PM  
1 votes:

BumpInTheNight: Gyrfalcon: BumpInTheNight: People sometimes make bad decisions that have lasting consequences, too bad. Besides someone with her qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.

Ghostbusters aren't hiring?

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?


As long as there's a paycheck, I'll believe anything you want.
2012-07-01 05:58:39 PM  
1 votes:
I never shop at Walmart. They are a shiatty company who treats their employees and suppliers like replaceable cogs in their corporate machine. Fark 'em.
2012-07-01 05:57:39 PM  
1 votes:
She would have been better off falling on her ass, getting hurt, forcing Wal-Mart to pay for her medical, and then suing for failure to provide better safety for employees.

Had a niece who did that... Wal-Mart kisses her ass to this day.

/Yes.. still employed.
2012-07-01 05:55:26 PM  
1 votes:

profplump: Babwa Wawa: He's lived in the house since 1981 and the mortgage on it is underwater.

How can he still be underwater after 30+ years?


He keeps refinancing and cashing out equity.
2012-07-01 05:50:58 PM  
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: Which is why I suspect she was having a bad day, and acting on vague direction from her manager, grabbed a customer.


If she wasn't an obese feeble diabetic senior citizen, I might agree with you. But with what information we have to work with, I just don't see her picking a fistfight as being the most likely case.
2012-07-01 05:48:18 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: BumpInTheNight: People sometimes make bad decisions that have lasting consequences, too bad. Besides someone with her qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.

Ghostbusters aren't hiring?


Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?
2012-07-01 05:47:25 PM  
1 votes:
Wal-Mart is a nest of scumbags who treat their employees like shiat? Color me shocked.
2012-07-01 05:47:03 PM  
1 votes:
Direct result of hyper- litigious society. These days people sue because their feelings got hurt, and idiot juries award millions. Companies have to be hypersensitivecover their ass. It only ends up hurting working class people. Tort reform ftw.
2012-07-01 05:44:09 PM  
1 votes:

ToxicMunkee: She must have some wicked fast reflexes, because the last time I was shoved backwards without warning I stumbled backwards and fell on my ass.


It was a million in one shot, doc!

alt.coxnewsweb.com
2012-07-01 05:43:18 PM  
1 votes:

Avery614: Ima4nic8or: Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.

It's a shame the woman didn't take her cues from this generation. Everyone knows now if you are shoved, especially while on the job or in a department store, you make a big show of falling, knock over a display if you can. Wail and moan, then have the police and paramedics called. Claim your back and neck are so very sore and need medical attention, you'd also like to press charges for assault. Proceed to sue the woman that shoved you, her insurance company, the store you work for, the brand label of the display you fell into, if the building is not owned the lease holder etc.

/it's the American way
//only half kidding...


While I was getting a haircut I heard a man telling the story about how he tripped going up the stairs where he worked. I say worked because he is now suing the building owner, the company he worked for, and even the company that made the shoes he was wearing.
2012-07-01 05:38:43 PM  
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Avery614: /it's the American way
//only half kidding...



Dude, it is the American way. No kidding.
2012-07-01 05:32:48 PM  
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Gyrfalcon: I only refrain from the theory of bombing them back into the Paleolithic because my aged grandmother lives there.


As a Floridian, I would politely request you not use explosives and instead simply round us all up and summarily execute us; I would hate for our wildlife to be further damaged, especially the Everglades.
2012-07-01 05:32:38 PM  
1 votes:
Poor people problems.
2012-07-01 05:26:39 PM  
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Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.
2012-07-01 05:25:13 PM  
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Damn. Poor woman.
2012-07-01 05:23:51 PM  
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EnviroDude: Reality escapes you, doesn't it


Where you might have escaped from:

i45.tinypic.com
2012-07-01 04:54:02 PM  
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Man On A Mission: EnviroDude: Suing Walmart is harder than getting Obama to tell the truth about his birth certificate.

So, you're saying it's ridiculously easy to sue Walmart?

/ can't believe people actually fall for the birther nonsense
// sad thing is, these people are allowed to vote and breed


Reality escapes you, doesn't it
2012-07-01 04:29:14 PM  
1 votes:
She must have some wicked fast reflexes, because the last time I was shoved backwards without warning I stumbled backwards and fell on my ass.
2012-07-01 03:38:35 PM  
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gilgigamesh: Florida is, I am sure, an at-will state, so "for cause" or not is meaningless. She has absolutely no case.


I think she wanted to get unemployment benefits, but since she was fired for cause, she cannot get them. If she believes that they faked or misrepresented the facts so as to fire her for cause (and thus not get the hit on their unemployment insurance), then wouldn't she have a case for at least the unemployment benefits?

I don't think any lawyer would touch the case, but surely she could hit up small claims if she got her shiat together.
2012-07-01 03:34:46 PM  
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Babwa Wawa: That's a hell of a hard luck story and all, but it seems she was fired for cause. If she believes Walmart presented evidence in bad faith, she should have sued in small claims court immediately. At the very least, she'd be able to get the evidence of her misconduct.

Which is why I suspect she was having a bad day, and acting on vague direction from her manager, grabbed a customer.

The idea that a lawyer would (a) take this woman on her word that she didn't grab the customer and (b) go up against Walmart for a few hundred dollars in fees is absurd. She feels she was wronged, she needs to go to small claims court, not wait around for some farking lawyer to gallop in on his damned Lexus.

The whole story reads like something from the Consumerist.


Florida is, I am sure, an at-will state, so "for cause" or not is meaningless. She has absolutely no case.

I get calls like this all the time. I used to call them back, but it is a good half hour of explanation to tell them they are farked, which they have probably already heard 100 times from 100 other lawyers. They don't want to hear it, so they keep calling different lawyers hoping in vain for a white knight to give them a different answer.

Calling them back doesn't accomplish anything except waste time I could spend making money, or fapping, or whatever; so now I usually don't even bother. But its heartbreaking listening to a message from someone who is at the end of her rope, about to lose her house, and is pinning her hopes on a lost cause.
2012-07-01 03:31:33 PM  
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EnviroDude: Suing Walmart is harder than getting Obama to tell the truth about his birth certificate. I know an attorney who sued them and won. She took 3 years to do it and described their lawyers as having less ethics than used car salesmen that used to be IRS auditors.


She could have taken them to small claims for the unemployment benefits. They'd have probably paid her something.

EnviroDude: Hope this woman gets the help she needs


Walmart is not the crux of her problem - the situation with them simply made her problems unsustainable. I think this woman needs to stop blowing $50k paydays on italian cabinets, brazilian wood floors, and $500/month car payments

I feel bad for her like I feel bad for my Dad. He's 72 years old, in poor health (mentally and physically), but with two pensions and social security, but can't afford to fix the AC in his house because he's committed his entire pensions and SS to loans for his car and house. He's lived in the house since 1981 and the mortgage on it is underwater. He plays the pity card because he's old, but nobody listens anymore. My sisters and I are waiting for a crisis before stepping in because anything we do now for him will just get pissed away.
 
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