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2012-07-01 02:53:07 PM
That's a hell of a hard luck story and all, but it seems she was fired for cause. If she believes Walmart presented evidence in bad faith, she should have sued in small claims court immediately. At the very least, she'd be able to get the evidence of her misconduct.

Which is why I suspect she was having a bad day, and acting on vague direction from her manager, grabbed a customer.

The idea that a lawyer would (a) take this woman on her word that she didn't grab the customer and (b) go up against Walmart for a few hundred dollars in fees is absurd. She feels she was wronged, she needs to go to small claims court, not wait around for some farking lawyer to gallop in on his damned Lexus.

The whole story reads like something from the Consumerist.
 
2012-07-01 03:12:34 PM
Suing Walmart is harder than getting Obama to tell the truth about his birth certificate. I know an attorney who sued them and won. She took 3 years to do it and described their lawyers as having less ethics than used car salesmen that used to be IRS auditors.

Hope this woman gets the help she needs
 
2012-07-01 03:30:13 PM
Having worked in retail on Black Friday and for the Christmas season, I think getting up at 2am to stampede for overpriced commercial crap should be a capital offense.

But my opinion isn't the law.
 
2012-07-01 03:31:33 PM

EnviroDude: Suing Walmart is harder than getting Obama to tell the truth about his birth certificate. I know an attorney who sued them and won. She took 3 years to do it and described their lawyers as having less ethics than used car salesmen that used to be IRS auditors.


She could have taken them to small claims for the unemployment benefits. They'd have probably paid her something.

EnviroDude: Hope this woman gets the help she needs


Walmart is not the crux of her problem - the situation with them simply made her problems unsustainable. I think this woman needs to stop blowing $50k paydays on italian cabinets, brazilian wood floors, and $500/month car payments

I feel bad for her like I feel bad for my Dad. He's 72 years old, in poor health (mentally and physically), but with two pensions and social security, but can't afford to fix the AC in his house because he's committed his entire pensions and SS to loans for his car and house. He's lived in the house since 1981 and the mortgage on it is underwater. He plays the pity card because he's old, but nobody listens anymore. My sisters and I are waiting for a crisis before stepping in because anything we do now for him will just get pissed away.
 
2012-07-01 03:34:46 PM

Babwa Wawa: That's a hell of a hard luck story and all, but it seems she was fired for cause. If she believes Walmart presented evidence in bad faith, she should have sued in small claims court immediately. At the very least, she'd be able to get the evidence of her misconduct.

Which is why I suspect she was having a bad day, and acting on vague direction from her manager, grabbed a customer.

The idea that a lawyer would (a) take this woman on her word that she didn't grab the customer and (b) go up against Walmart for a few hundred dollars in fees is absurd. She feels she was wronged, she needs to go to small claims court, not wait around for some farking lawyer to gallop in on his damned Lexus.

The whole story reads like something from the Consumerist.


Florida is, I am sure, an at-will state, so "for cause" or not is meaningless. She has absolutely no case.

I get calls like this all the time. I used to call them back, but it is a good half hour of explanation to tell them they are farked, which they have probably already heard 100 times from 100 other lawyers. They don't want to hear it, so they keep calling different lawyers hoping in vain for a white knight to give them a different answer.

Calling them back doesn't accomplish anything except waste time I could spend making money, or fapping, or whatever; so now I usually don't even bother. But its heartbreaking listening to a message from someone who is at the end of her rope, about to lose her house, and is pinning her hopes on a lost cause.
 
2012-07-01 03:35:01 PM

EnviroDude: Suing Walmart is harder than getting Obama to tell the truth about his birth certificate.


So, you're saying it's ridiculously easy to sue Walmart?

/ can't believe people actually fall for the birther nonsense
// sad thing is, these people are allowed to vote and breed
 
2012-07-01 03:38:35 PM

gilgigamesh: Florida is, I am sure, an at-will state, so "for cause" or not is meaningless. She has absolutely no case.


I think she wanted to get unemployment benefits, but since she was fired for cause, she cannot get them. If she believes that they faked or misrepresented the facts so as to fire her for cause (and thus not get the hit on their unemployment insurance), then wouldn't she have a case for at least the unemployment benefits?

I don't think any lawyer would touch the case, but surely she could hit up small claims if she got her shiat together.
 
2012-07-01 03:42:45 PM

Babwa Wawa: gilgigamesh: Florida is, I am sure, an at-will state, so "for cause" or not is meaningless. She has absolutely no case.

I think she wanted to get unemployment benefits, but since she was fired for cause, she cannot get them. If she believes that they faked or misrepresented the facts so as to fire her for cause (and thus not get the hit on their unemployment insurance), then wouldn't she have a case for at least the unemployment benefits?


Oh, yeah, possibly. I misunderstood you. The calls I get are from people who want to sue for "wrongful termination" to get their jobs reinstated or otherwise hit the jackpot in damages. Ain't no such thing unless the pink slip says you were fired for being a dirty Muslim or whatever.

I don't think any lawyer would touch the case

Nope. There's no money in it.
 
2012-07-01 03:49:13 PM
She stopped getting raises in the last year or two because, Sullivan says, her pay had surpassed the maximum a greeter could earn. She made $15.32 an hour.

I wonder why they fired her. Hmm.
 
2012-07-01 04:24:08 PM
This is exactly what the GOP wants the country to become, folks.
 
2012-07-01 04:29:14 PM
She must have some wicked fast reflexes, because the last time I was shoved backwards without warning I stumbled backwards and fell on my ass.
 
2012-07-01 04:54:02 PM

Man On A Mission: EnviroDude: Suing Walmart is harder than getting Obama to tell the truth about his birth certificate.

So, you're saying it's ridiculously easy to sue Walmart?

/ can't believe people actually fall for the birther nonsense
// sad thing is, these people are allowed to vote and breed


Reality escapes you, doesn't it
 
2012-07-01 05:23:35 PM
Jan Sullivan scoots back on the brown suede couch, and her slippers dangle off the edge. At 4 feet 11, her toes don't quite touch the floor.

She stares at a blue plastic cup filled with unsweet Lipton perched on her lap. Her cheeks are flushed, her eyes bloodshot. Her lips quiver. She's 73, a hard, self-made woman, raised on corn farms and cattle ranches. She is not a crier. But these last seven months have tried her.

Behind the couch, a window overlooks her front yard. Past wind chimes suspended from of a banyan tree, a white 4 by 4 post is dug into the St. Augustine grass. The words on the sign are bold and bright red: "SOLD IN 1 DAY."

It's a two-bedroom, white and brown cinder block home in Bay Pines. The house isn't fancy, but it's hers. She doesn't want to give it up.

For so long, Sullivan's life was her job. She worked for Walmart for 22 years and six months - selling batteries and basketball hoops and shotguns, stocking shelves, greeting customers.


Get. To the the farking. Point.

EnviroDude: Reality escapes you, doesn't it


Sometimes I wonder how people as dumb as you manage to get on the internet. Then I remember that there's no rule against the mentally retarded holding library cards.
 
2012-07-01 05:23:51 PM

EnviroDude: Reality escapes you, doesn't it


Where you might have escaped from:

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-01 05:25:13 PM
Damn. Poor woman.
 
2012-07-01 05:26:04 PM

gilgigamesh: Babwa Wawa:
Florida is, I am sure, an at-will state, so "for cause" or not is meaningless. She has absolutely no case.


So is Texas. They can fire you if they don't like the color of your eyes, and you don't have a legal leg to stand on
 
2012-07-01 05:26:39 PM
Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.
 
2012-07-01 05:26:51 PM
That's racist!


/can't believe I'm first on that one
 
2012-07-01 05:27:18 PM
She stares at a blue plastic cup filled with unsweet Lipton perched on her lap.

I feel like this is the saddest part of the entire story. The specificity of this image...
 
2012-07-01 05:27:42 PM
Shop smart. Shop S mart.
 
2012-07-01 05:28:27 PM

Splinshints: Jan Sullivan scoots back on the brown suede couch, and her slippers dangle off the edge. At 4 feet 11, her toes don't quite touch the floor.

She stares at a blue plastic cup filled with unsweet Lipton perched on her lap. Her cheeks are flushed, her eyes bloodshot. Her lips quiver. She's 73, a hard, self-made woman, raised on corn farms and cattle ranches. She is not a crier. But these last seven months have tried her.

Behind the couch, a window overlooks her front yard. Past wind chimes suspended from of a banyan tree, a white 4 by 4 post is dug into the St. Augustine grass. The words on the sign are bold and bright red: "SOLD IN 1 DAY."

It's a two-bedroom, white and brown cinder block home in Bay Pines. The house isn't fancy, but it's hers. She doesn't want to give it up.

For so long, Sullivan's life was her job. She worked for Walmart for 22 years and six months - selling batteries and basketball hoops and shotguns, stocking shelves, greeting customers.

Get. To the the farking. Point.



No shiat. Someone really took their NPR writing class too seriously.
 
2012-07-01 05:28:43 PM
Ah, Florida. Where a young healthy man can murder another young healthy man and it's A-OK because he was "Standing his ground," but an old woman gets fired for touching someone to stop herself from falling down.

I only refrain from the theory of bombing them back into the Paleolithic because my aged grandmother lives there.
 
2012-07-01 05:32:02 PM
I make much more money than people who work at Walmart, McDonald's, etc etc, and all I do is sit in a chair all day. Sometimes I have to type something.

I don't produce anything.

What a weird world huh?
 
2012-07-01 05:32:02 PM

Gyrfalcon: Ah, Florida. Where a young healthy man can murder another young healthy man and it's A-OK because he was "Standing his ground," but an old woman gets fired for touching someone to stop herself from falling down.

I only refrain from the theory of bombing them back into the Paleolithic because my aged grandmother lives there.


I live here and I give you permission to bomb us forward into the stone age.
 
2012-07-01 05:32:38 PM
Poor people problems.
 
2012-07-01 05:32:48 PM

Gyrfalcon: I only refrain from the theory of bombing them back into the Paleolithic because my aged grandmother lives there.


As a Floridian, I would politely request you not use explosives and instead simply round us all up and summarily execute us; I would hate for our wildlife to be further damaged, especially the Everglades.
 
2012-07-01 05:33:08 PM

Ima4nic8or: Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.


Meh, it's WalMart. Their corporate motto is CHEAPER CHEAPER CHEAPER. Any excuse to dump an employee making what she was is good enough. It's not like she'll have the means to fight it. They just saved about 50% an hour on that position kicking her out.
 
2012-07-01 05:33:10 PM

ToxicMunkee: She must have some wicked fast reflexes, because the last time I was shoved backwards without warning I stumbled backwards and fell on my ass.


exactly. that and the way the drama is layed on here like mortar makes me highly suspicious.

1) Self made woman? She worked at Wal-Mart for 22 years. That isn't "self-made" That is too dumb or unmotivated to do anything better.

2)No kids and no pets? What did Wal-Mart have to do with that?

3) Husband left her? For a firing? Some marriage.

She lost her temper with an asshole customer and jacked them up. I can understand it but it will get you fired. Quit crying about it.
 
2012-07-01 05:33:36 PM
"Walmart was like my home," she says. "Like my family."

One has to feel badly for this woman. One has to feel badly about anyone who has been so duped by an employer that they feel that the corporation seems like home and family.
 
2012-07-01 05:33:48 PM
I'd say I would boycott Walmart for this but I haven't shopped at that shiathole since 2001 so I have no boycott ammo left.
 
2012-07-01 05:35:26 PM
Our family props a single plastic cup full of Lipton tea in front of our Grandma every weekend, I don't see why it's such a tragic image.
/She's in her 90s and has general senile dementia
//Doing pretty well for all of that
 
2012-07-01 05:36:05 PM
Crowdfunding maybe?
 
2012-07-01 05:36:08 PM

Ima4nic8or: Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.


It's a shame the woman didn't take her cues from this generation. Everyone knows now if you are shoved, especially while on the job or in a department store, you make a big show of falling, knock over a display if you can. Wail and moan, then have the police and paramedics called. Claim your back and neck are so very sore and need medical attention, you'd also like to press charges for assault. Proceed to sue the woman that shoved you, her insurance company, the store you work for, the brand label of the display you fell into, if the building is not owned the lease holder etc.

/it's the American way
//only half kidding...
 
2012-07-01 05:37:16 PM
you don't farking grab the customer, ever!
that's illegal and i hope she goes to jail
and has to register as a LEVEL 1 SEX OFFENDER
 
2012-07-01 05:38:43 PM

Avery614: /it's the American way
//only half kidding...



Dude, it is the American way. No kidding.
 
2012-07-01 05:38:48 PM

Relatively Obscure: She stopped getting raises in the last year or two because, Sullivan says, her pay had surpassed the maximum a greeter could earn. She made $15.32 an hour.

I wonder why they fired her. Hmm.


Damn, that's good money for doing nothing more than saying "hello" and pointing to carts all day. That's more than many make right out of college.

I always assumed most greeters were retired, made minimum wage, and just needed something to do with their time.
 
2012-07-01 05:38:52 PM

Ima4nic8or: Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.


It's good to know that we've raised a generation that can't believe people when they say something.

Now if only that translated to not believing idiot politicians and Breitbart.
 
2012-07-01 05:40:38 PM

bearcats1983: Relatively Obscure: She stopped getting raises in the last year or two because, Sullivan says, her pay had surpassed the maximum a greeter could earn. She made $15.32 an hour.

I wonder why they fired her. Hmm.

Damn, that's good money for doing nothing more than saying "hello" and pointing to carts all day. That's more than many make right out of college.

I always assumed most greeters were retired, made minimum wage, and just needed something to do with their time.


She had worked for Walmart for over 20 years, so that doesn't surprise me.
 
2012-07-01 05:41:57 PM
I love it when I can make my woman's lips quiver....
 
2012-07-01 05:43:12 PM
Holy long drawn the fark out sob story just to let us know she was actually fired for a legit reason.. I feel no sympathy. shiat farking happens when you break rules..
 
2012-07-01 05:43:18 PM

Avery614: Ima4nic8or: Something smells. I dont think the story contains the entire truth. Its useless without the video. She claims she grabbed the customer because she was about to fall. If so then totally justified. That could just be her after the fact story though. Its entirely possible she grabbed the customer out of anger. With video the reader would have a much clearer idea which it was.

It's a shame the woman didn't take her cues from this generation. Everyone knows now if you are shoved, especially while on the job or in a department store, you make a big show of falling, knock over a display if you can. Wail and moan, then have the police and paramedics called. Claim your back and neck are so very sore and need medical attention, you'd also like to press charges for assault. Proceed to sue the woman that shoved you, her insurance company, the store you work for, the brand label of the display you fell into, if the building is not owned the lease holder etc.

/it's the American way
//only half kidding...


While I was getting a haircut I heard a man telling the story about how he tripped going up the stairs where he worked. I say worked because he is now suing the building owner, the company he worked for, and even the company that made the shoes he was wearing.
 
2012-07-01 05:43:25 PM
People sometimes make bad decisions that have lasting consequences, too bad. Besides someone with her qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.
 
2012-07-01 05:43:55 PM
Damn, stories like this really inspire me to make sure I plan well enough to not have to rely on a minimum wage job when I'm 73. Jesus.
 
2012-07-01 05:44:07 PM

Babwa Wawa: He's lived in the house since 1981 and the mortgage on it is underwater.


How can he still be underwater after 30+ years?
 
2012-07-01 05:44:09 PM

ToxicMunkee: She must have some wicked fast reflexes, because the last time I was shoved backwards without warning I stumbled backwards and fell on my ass.


It was a million in one shot, doc!

alt.coxnewsweb.com
 
2012-07-01 05:44:18 PM
My wife would side with the greeter on this one, for sure. She did sue Walmart for wrongful termination, and got a settlement out of them. She isn't allowed to say anything about this, but I can!!

Walmart's lawyers are the nastiest, most despicable legal team out there. It took a very long time to get her settlement, and the questions asked during deposition were sought to be threatening and intimidating, along with being far too personal and incredibly traumatizing. It was like getting worked over by Walmart a second time around. There were no threats of violence, but they had spent a lot of money finding out EVERYTHING about my wife - including that she is gay and her partner was also dying of cancer at the time, so how could she possibly have enjoyed life anyhow even though they *might* have done her wrong blah blah blah. Also threats to out her to her next employers, to her family, out her partner publically and all that. Pretty nasty stuff all in all. That was the nice part of the whole thing, compared to the other things they said/imtimated/threatened.

I do feel bad for this woman since she really has no recourse and would be dealing with the sharkiest of landsharks even if she had the resources or support to sue.
 
2012-07-01 05:44:29 PM
I bet she could make some good money if she was willing to become a prostitute. I'll be her first customer and would pay her 15 dollars an hour
 
2012-07-01 05:45:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: People sometimes make bad decisions that have lasting consequences, too bad. Besides someone with her qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.


Ghostbusters aren't hiring?
 
2012-07-01 05:45:25 PM

Digitalstrange:
She lost her temper with an asshole customer and jacked them up. I can understand it but it will get you fired. Quit crying about it.


Maybe she was pushed and grabbed to stop the fall, maybe she was pushed and pushed back, maybe the customer was being an a-hole and she grabbed them to put them back in line. Whatever happened, if she had already been at that store for 22 years without complaints she shouldn't have been fired for one incident. FTA the customer didn't even complain, the manager just decided to be a dick and fire a woman with 22 years of service because of something he saw on a security camera.

I know it's naive to expect employers to actually give a damn about their employees these days, especially when it's Wal-Mart, but anyone can have a bad day, and getting fired for one mistake after spending that long at a company is ridiculous.
 
2012-07-01 05:47:03 PM
Direct result of hyper- litigious society. These days people sue because their feelings got hurt, and idiot juries award millions. Companies have to be hypersensitivecover their ass. It only ends up hurting working class people. Tort reform ftw.
 
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