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(BBC)   Because it ended so well last time, Turkey scrambles six jets on Syrian border   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 64
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2012-07-01 03:05:44 PM  
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-01 03:06:27 PM  
Wow, is that an MG26?

I've seen some old guns in my time (.50 Cals that are 50+ years old in the Marine Corp/Army) but daaamn.
 
2012-07-01 03:09:40 PM  

Yaxe: Wow, is that an MG26?

I've seen some old guns in my time (.50 Cals that are 50+ years old in the Marine Corp/Army) but daaamn.


I think you mean MG42. And no, it's a modern version of the MG42, called an MG3, built under license from Rheinmetall by Turkey.
 
2012-07-01 03:10:24 PM  
Two of the jets came from near Batman....with a handy map showing where Batman is...

/Batman
 
2012-07-01 03:10:30 PM  
Why the scary tag?
 
2012-07-01 03:11:22 PM  
So Turkey gets a corner?
 
2012-07-01 03:11:28 PM  
i701.photobucket.com
Are they keeping up foreign relations?
 
2012-07-01 03:11:50 PM  

Yaxe: Wow, is that an MG26?

I've seen some old guns in my time (.50 Cals that are 50+ years old in the Marine Corp/Army) but daaamn.


Don't think so.
 
2012-07-01 03:14:58 PM  

CasperImproved: Why the scary tag?


Cuz like panic, we're all going to die and all that.
 
2012-07-01 03:15:31 PM  
I so love it when the barbarians tussle....
 
2012-07-01 03:15:51 PM  
Syria said the Turkish F-4 was shot down by air defence fire inside its airspace. Turkey insists it was downed by a missile after briefly entering and the leaving Syrian airspace.

International law is what you make of it, I guess.
 
2012-07-01 03:17:37 PM  

dittybopper: And no, it's a modern version of the MG42, called an MG3, built under license from Rheinmetall by Turkey.


It's still the best medium / heavy machine gun around. I had the pportunity to fire a MG42. Truly an amazing weapon. Burned through $200 worth of ammo in nanoseconds.
 
2012-07-01 03:19:09 PM  
 
2012-07-01 03:21:00 PM  

macadamnut: Syria said the Turkish F-4 was shot down by air defence fire inside its airspace. Turkey insists it was downed by a missile after briefly entering and the leaving Syrian airspace.

International law is what you make of it, I guess.


Outrage knows no boundaries.
 
2012-07-01 03:21:52 PM  
MAKE ME A WAR.

www.fanzone50.com
 
2012-07-01 03:23:39 PM  
Mmmm....turkey on syrian...with mustard....
 
2012-07-01 03:24:45 PM  

valar_morghulis: MAKE ME A WAR.

[www.fanzone50.com image 640x367]


Well done.

/the Director's Cut of that movie is awesome
 
2012-07-01 03:27:08 PM  

mark12A: I so love it when the barbarians tussle....


That whole part of the world was better off under the Pax Romana, IMHO.
 
2012-07-01 03:27:37 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: dittybopper: And no, it's a modern version of the MG42, called an MG3, built under license from Rheinmetall by Turkey.

It's still the best medium / heavy machine gun around. I had the pportunity to fire a MG42. Truly an amazing weapon. Burned through $200 worth of ammo in nanoseconds.


It is a great weapon, hobbled by one minor flaw: It wasn't designed by Our Lord and Savior, John Moses Browning.
 
2012-07-01 03:27:57 PM  
Can't we just email them a computer virus? It's been working against Iran.
 
2012-07-01 03:28:43 PM  

Gleeman: [i701.photobucket.com image 640x366]
Are they keeping up foreign relations?


Check..... Moving to the next thread......
 
2012-07-01 03:29:00 PM  
Is this thread related to the turkey bacon thread?...because they are Muslim, and that actually may go over well there..Syria too. Maybe that's the answer for peace..turkey bacon
 
2012-07-01 03:33:43 PM  
Let Turkey take care of Syria. They can do it handily, plus they have a vested interest in the region we don't have.

It might be better if a Middle Eastern nation was taken down by one of its neighbors instead of the US, you know?
 
2012-07-01 03:34:12 PM  

Yaxe: Wow, is that an MG26?

I've seen some old guns in my time (.50 Cals that are 50+ years old in the Marine Corp/Army) but daaamn.


There are older weapons still in use, such as the M2 and M1919 machine guns, which have been introduced respectively 81 and 97 years ago.
 
2012-07-01 03:37:11 PM  
It will be aTurkey shoot.
 
2012-07-01 03:38:32 PM  

dittybopper: Odoriferous Queef: dittybopper: And no, it's a modern version of the MG42, called an MG3, built under license from Rheinmetall by Turkey.

It's still the best medium / heavy machine gun around. I had the pportunity to fire a MG42. Truly an amazing weapon. Burned through $200 worth of ammo in nanoseconds.

It is a great weapon, hobbled by one minor flaw: It wasn't designed by Our Lord and Savior, John Moses Browning.


Well that and all the extra barrels you had to carry.
 
2012-07-01 03:38:46 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: mark12A: I so love it when the barbarians tussle....

That whole part of the world was better off under the Pax Romana, IMHO.


Yep, they really have no business self-governing. They should be conquered and violently oppressed until they become docile. Savages can't be expected to make good decisions for themselves.
 
2012-07-01 03:39:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Let Turkey take care of Syria. They can do it handily, plus they have a vested interest in the region we don't have.

It might be better if a Middle Eastern nation was taken down by one of its neighbors instead of the US, you know?


Something something proxy-wars, something something equally-damaging repercussions.
 
2012-07-01 03:46:43 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Let Turkey take care of Syria. They can do it handily, plus they have a vested interest in the region we don't have.

It might be better if a Middle Eastern nation was taken down by one of its neighbors instead of the US, you know?


Turkey can't take care of Syria on its own. Yes, they have lots of ground forces and a decent air force. but they lack significant assets. They aren't designed to operate alone in a campaign of any significance. Beating up on Kurdish rebels isn't the same as attacking another modern nation. They don't have to alone given they are part of NATO and can draw the US, UK, France, and all the rest who want to join.

For all those thinking this is just another Libya situation, it isn't. Syria has a larger military with better equipment. There is a larger population spread over a larger area. Syria has chemical weapons which may be utilized given the leadership has little to lose given the attorcities and vengence that will be sought by those he is oppressing. Yes, a large enough force could conduct a campaign, but it would be much more difficult and involve casualties even if WMDs were not used by Syria.
 
2012-07-01 03:47:59 PM  

dittybopper: Odoriferous Queef: dittybopper: And no, it's a modern version of the MG42, called an MG3, built under license from Rheinmetall by Turkey.

It's still the best medium / heavy machine gun around. I had the pportunity to fire a MG42. Truly an amazing weapon. Burned through $200 worth of ammo in nanoseconds.

It is a great weapon, hobbled by one minor flaw: It wasn't designed by Our Lord and Savior, John Moses Browning.


Amen Brother. Can you say Ma Deuce? Hallelujah!

/ I've fired one of these too.
// used to be in the Historical Reenactment Society.
/// Once owned an MP44 <Heh>
 
2012-07-01 03:49:17 PM  
We will stay the hell out of this
 
2012-07-01 03:52:01 PM  
Did anyone else see Batman?
 
2012-07-01 03:54:05 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: We will stay the hell out of this


I sure hope so..
 
2012-07-01 04:00:14 PM  

chicagogasman: I sure hope so..


We have absolutely no reason to get involved. There is nothing to gain from it.
 
2012-07-01 04:01:50 PM  
NaNaNaNaNaNa BATMAN!
 
2012-07-01 04:02:20 PM  

Daedalus27: Gyrfalcon: Let Turkey take care of Syria. They can do it handily, plus they have a vested interest in the region we don't have.

It might be better if a Middle Eastern nation was taken down by one of its neighbors instead of the US, you know?

Turkey can't take care of Syria on its own. Yes, they have lots of ground forces and a decent air force. but they lack significant assets. They aren't designed to operate alone in a campaign of any significance. Beating up on Kurdish rebels isn't the same as attacking another modern nation. They don't have to alone given they are part of NATO and can draw the US, UK, France, and all the rest who want to join.

For all those thinking this is just another Libya situation, it isn't. Syria has a larger military with better equipment. There is a larger population spread over a larger area. Syria has chemical weapons which may be utilized given the leadership has little to lose given the attorcities and vengence that will be sought by those he is oppressing. Yes, a large enough force could conduct a campaign, but it would be much more difficult and involve casualties even if WMDs were not used by Syria.


Attorcities and vengence aside, I say the US invades. There's not a lot going on right now.
 
2012-07-01 04:16:14 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: dittybopper: And no, it's a modern version of the MG42, called an MG3, built under license from Rheinmetall by Turkey.

It's still the best medium / heavy machine gun around. I had the pportunity to fire a MG42. Truly an amazing weapon. Burned through $200 worth of ammo in nanoseconds.


i15.photobucket.com>

OH?!

/Hot like Sascha's barrels.
 
2012-07-01 04:16:46 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: We have absolutely no reason to get involved. There is nothing to gain from it.


Well, if Turkey plays the NATO card...
 
2012-07-01 04:37:06 PM  

Gleeman: Well that and all the extra barrels you had to carry.


And ammo. Don't forget that ammo is heavy. If you are carrying the gun, you (and your a-gunner, and the rest of your squad) are also carrying many, many rounds.

The MG42 was the mechanical predecessor of the US M60, but one of the things that we did tone down was the cyclic rate of fire. In an infantry environment, ridiculously high rates of fire are not a good idea.
 
2012-07-01 04:46:26 PM  

The WindowLicker: The MG42 was the mechanical predecessor of the US M60


No it wasn't.

We copied part of the belt-feed mechanism from the MG42, but that's it. MG42 is short recoil operated, M60 is gas operated. That's like the difference between a piston engine and a turboprop.
 
2012-07-01 04:50:41 PM  
War.
 
2012-07-01 04:55:19 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: War.


War never changes.
 
2012-07-01 05:08:23 PM  

Studio Ghibli: Did anyone else see Batman?


It's my favorite name of a city EVER.
 
2012-07-01 05:10:08 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: We will stay the hell out of this


Uh no we won't because we have strategic military bases in Turkey. If we want to keep them we will help. Which is the whole issue with Syria in the first place and Russia. It's never just "that" simple ever.
 
2012-07-01 05:18:53 PM  

rhiannon: Daedalus27: Gyrfalcon: Let Turkey take care of Syria. They can do it handily, plus they have a vested interest in the region we don't have.

It might be better if a Middle Eastern nation was taken down by one of its neighbors instead of the US, you know?

Turkey can't take care of Syria on its own. Yes, they have lots of ground forces and a decent air force. but they lack significant assets. They aren't designed to operate alone in a campaign of any significance. Beating up on Kurdish rebels isn't the same as attacking another modern nation. They don't have to alone given they are part of NATO and can draw the US, UK, France, and all the rest who want to join.

For all those thinking this is just another Libya situation, it isn't. Syria has a larger military with better equipment. There is a larger population spread over a larger area. Syria has chemical weapons which may be utilized given the leadership has little to lose given the attorcities and vengence that will be sought by those he is oppressing. Yes, a large enough force could conduct a campaign, but it would be much more difficult and involve casualties even if WMDs were not used by Syria.

Attorcities and vengence aside, I say the US invades. There's not a lot going on right now.


Can we get everyone out of Afghanistan first? Sun Tzu advised against protracted wars and all that.
 
2012-07-01 05:19:45 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: Tat'dGreaser: We will stay the hell out of this

Uh no we won't because we have strategic military bases in Turkey. If we want to keep them we will help. Which is the whole issue with Syria in the first place and Russia. It's never just "that" simple ever.


With the closing of Field Station Sinop, I think we've just got Incirlik AFB left in Turkey, plus a VLF transmitter facility for submarine communications.
 
2012-07-01 05:25:39 PM  

Gyrfalcon: rhiannon: Daedalus27: Gyrfalcon: Let Turkey take care of Syria. They can do it handily, plus they have a vested interest in the region we don't have.

It might be better if a Middle Eastern nation was taken down by one of its neighbors instead of the US, you know?

Turkey can't take care of Syria on its own. Yes, they have lots of ground forces and a decent air force. but they lack significant assets. They aren't designed to operate alone in a campaign of any significance. Beating up on Kurdish rebels isn't the same as attacking another modern nation. They don't have to alone given they are part of NATO and can draw the US, UK, France, and all the rest who want to join.

For all those thinking this is just another Libya situation, it isn't. Syria has a larger military with better equipment. There is a larger population spread over a larger area. Syria has chemical weapons which may be utilized given the leadership has little to lose given the attorcities and vengence that will be sought by those he is oppressing. Yes, a large enough force could conduct a campaign, but it would be much more difficult and involve casualties even if WMDs were not used by Syria.

Attorcities and vengence aside, I say the US invades. There's not a lot going on right now.

Can we get everyone out of Afghanistan first? Sun Tzu advised against protracted wars and all that.


Well, no, it's a great place to set up camp. Sorta like a Mars colony, only more dangerous.
 
2012-07-01 05:26:09 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: War.


What is it good for?
 
2012-07-01 06:16:41 PM  

Daedalus27: Gyrfalcon: Let Turkey take care of Syria. They can do it handily, plus they have a vested interest in the region we don't have.

It might be better if a Middle Eastern nation was taken down by one of its neighbors instead of the US, you know?

Turkey can't take care of Syria on its own. Yes, they have lots of ground forces and a decent air force. but they lack significant assets. They aren't designed to operate alone in a campaign of any significance. Beating up on Kurdish rebels isn't the same as attacking another modern nation. They don't have to alone given they are part of NATO and can draw the US, UK, France, and all the rest who want to join.

For all those thinking this is just another Libya situation, it isn't. Syria has a larger military with better equipment. There is a larger population spread over a larger area. Syria has chemical weapons which may be utilized given the leadership has little to lose given the attorcities and vengence that will be sought by those he is oppressing. Yes, a large enough force could conduct a campaign, but it would be much more difficult and involve casualties even if WMDs were not used by Syria.


Huh? The Turkish Air Force has more 4th generation fighters than Syria (like 200 to 60) and the Turkish Army has about 250,000 more active duty soldiers than Syria.
 
2012-07-01 07:07:46 PM  
Are they wanting to invoke article 5?
 
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