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(The Tennessean)   Never having heard of Florida, new Tennessee law requires welfare recipients to undergo drug testing   (tennessean.com) divider line 228
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2012-07-01 01:16:41 PM

Ozarkhawk: 3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: Gee, sorry, but your mom takes drugs, so you don't get any food money.

3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: You should have thought of that before you decided to be born to a druggie! Go get a job! Be bootstrappy!


Foster and feed the kid, and let mom starve.
 
2012-07-01 01:17:56 PM

DarwiOdrade: But then you're paying for their weight-training and cable TV.


Weight training is self-improvement at least. Jail sucks, the point is that it's a deterrent.
 
2012-07-01 01:18:05 PM
Silly Jesus:

Remember, voting your own posts as "smart" will give you credibility.
 
2012-07-01 01:18:37 PM

Shaggy_C: DarwiOdrade: You can't get a well-paying job if you're "thrown in jail" either, genius.

At least in jail you can't really continue breaking the law...


Not sure if trolling or just really dumb.
 
2012-07-01 01:19:21 PM
The right-wing is struggling today with what they believe in. I'd like to think that Romney's appointment to be their candidate was a big factor, but they've been struggling about what their platform is for at least a decade now. The only issue is that they were able to ignore that when they had power from 2002-2006 and now are ripping at the seams.

They desperately want to use their innate power to back a status quo to work when that status quo really doesn't exist. Republicans are very prone to media manipulation and they really don't know the world around them. The insularity of the Republican base is one of the main reasons they're no longer being taken seriously as a political ideology anymore: they have narrowed down their entire reason for being as a pure opposition party. That's the only thing they can agree on, outside of some nebulous terminology that has been co-opted to vote more Republicans into office. Note how many Republicans you see today who sort to a pathetic sort of name-calling when they don't get their way, and how many of those names came from the Reagan Era that have now lost all of their venomous meaning or are so over-the-top that they can't even be taken a joke as much as an old joke.

The Republican Base is fighting a War on Reality. They're not governing, they're slowly finding out that the world they were told about does not exist, and they're not in a rush to find out and change their ways. They're just going to go around wasting everybody's time while rocking the faux outrage until, one day, the dumbasses figure out they've been conned. And they're not adverse to wasting money in the long run to help with their insane faith-based reasoning that, so far, has shown how stupid they really are.
 
2012-07-01 01:19:56 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: And then when her kids steal food, throw *them* in jail.


Children of drug addicts should be taken from the home and placed with a state agency until such time that the parents are capable of being guardians.
 
2012-07-01 01:21:06 PM
Having read the article (I know, I'm a terrible Farker), this new law sounds ... less terrible. It is at least more well thought out than the Florida version. It's not a blanket drug test; new welfare applicants are screened and only the suspicious cases are tested -- although granted, this could be abused. Also the ones who do test positive are supposed to be given a chance at treatment.

So it seems they're actually going with "some people are abusing the system and we should discourage that" and attempting to do so in a sane way, as opposed to Florida's "poors are evil" crap.

/still think it's probably a waste of money
 
2012-07-01 01:23:14 PM

Shaggy_C: DarwiOdrade: But then you're paying for their weight-training and cable TV.

Weight training is self-improvement at least. Jail sucks, the point is that it's a deterrent.


My point is, it doesn't suck enough anymore to be an effective deterrent, and the less it sucks the more it costs us.
 
2012-07-01 01:23:29 PM

Shaggy_C: Lenny_da_Hog: And then when her kids steal food, throw *them* in jail.

Children of drug addicts should be taken from the home and placed with a state agency until such time that the parents are capable of being guardians.


That's not enough punishment.

More punishment! Can someone be fired over this! Heads will roll! Bonk, bonk on the head!
 
2012-07-01 01:24:57 PM

Shaggy_C: Lenny_da_Hog: And then when her kids steal food, throw *them* in jail.

Children of drug addicts should be taken from the home and placed with a state agency until such time that the parents are capable of being guardians.


Placing kids at the hands of the governmnent.

What kind of monster are you. That'll just indoctrinate them into socialism or something.
 
2012-07-01 01:25:33 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: That's not enough punishment.


It's not punishment at all for the drug-addled parents. No kids to worry about? Woohoo!

For the children it is. Unfortunately, they haven't (usually) done anything wrong.
 
2012-07-01 01:26:11 PM

dlp211: microman: Ozarkhawk: 3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: Gee, sorry, but your mom takes drugs, so you don't get any food money.

3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: You should have thought of that before you decided to be born to a druggie! Go get a job! Be bootstrappy!

the Mom spent the money on drugs. Do you really think the kid got a meal from the welfare check? Are you that stupid? Yes you are?

How do EBT cards work?


The cash benefit (TANF) portion works just like a debit card. You can get cash at an ATM and buy drugs instead of diapers.

The "food stamp" portion works like this: "Yo, man, I'll buy you $100 worth of food if you give me $50 cash for my drugs."
 
2012-07-01 01:26:39 PM

hawcian: Having read the article (I know, I'm a terrible Farker), this new law sounds ... less terrible. It is at least more well thought out than the Florida version. It's not a blanket drug test; new welfare applicants are screened and only the suspicious cases are tested -- although granted, this could be abused. Also the ones who do test positive are supposed to be given a chance at treatment.

So it seems they're actually going with "some people are abusing the system and we should discourage that" and attempting to do so in a sane way, as opposed to Florida's "poors are evil" crap.

/still think it's probably a waste of money


It does seem that way, which is somewhat reasonable.

But considering this is Tennessee that we're talking about, I'm sure they'll find a way to fark it up Florida-style.
 
2012-07-01 01:27:55 PM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."


I'll take my $700 billion bail-out in small, unmarked bills... slave
 
2012-07-01 01:28:10 PM
Smoke weed? You deserve to lose your job, your family and your life.

This is what morons actually believe.
 
2012-07-01 01:28:17 PM
If you're on welfare, it's a stupid idea to spend money on drugs. You have better things to spend your money on. Let those with means waste their bodies away
 
2012-07-01 01:28:59 PM

DarwiOdrade: Lenny_da_Hog: That's not enough punishment.

It's not punishment at all for the drug-addled parents. No kids to worry about? Woohoo!

For the children it is. Unfortunately, they haven't (usually) done anything wrong.


My mother was an alcoholic and downer freak. I ate. I escaped it.

Thank you, Welfare and Basic Educational Opportunity Grants, and Comprehensive Employment and Training Act, and National Direct Student Loan Program.
 
2012-07-01 01:29:24 PM

Ozarkhawk: microman: Ozarkhawk: 3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: Gee, sorry, but your mom takes drugs, so you don't get any food money.

3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: You should have thought of that before you decided to be born to a druggie! Go get a job! Be bootstrappy!

the Mom spent the money on drugs. Do you really think the kid got a meal from the welfare check? Are you that stupid? Yes you are?

I figured the point would be lost on you. Just not that fast.

Most people - even druggies - still eat. A kid in a a home with money has a better chance of eating than a kid in a home with no money, regardless of drugs. Punishing children for the sins of their parents isn't the answer.


Foster care and sterilization are the answers.
 
2012-07-01 01:30:06 PM
But remember: this is not class warfare.

/it would be if they started testing their elected officials
//which they should, what with them using taxdollars and all...
 
2012-07-01 01:30:22 PM

gilgigamesh: Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."

We have a concept in the US called the "social contract". The quid pro quo of this contract reads roughly that for value received of not starving to death in the streets and generally having a slightly better than subsistence level of existing, the poor covenant not to rise up en masse to burn, loot and murder the wealthy.

Don't like it? Move to Somalia and live in a fortress.


I like that the only justification for your social "contract" is rooted in extortion.
 
2012-07-01 01:30:22 PM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."


Love this part of the GOP argument, and it's spreading like a FUNGUS.

It sort of implies that they're fine with being robbed as long as the burglars are doing something they like with the money. It isn't actually theft until the burglars spend the cash somewhere they disapprove. One of these days I'm going to rob the Koch Brothers' mansion and invest the money in a short-term interest-bearing brokerage account that includes stock from several Republican-leaning corporations. They'll never be able to touch me. "Well, we'd press charges, but he's being so SENSIBLE with it..."
 
2012-07-01 01:30:25 PM

hawcian: So it seems they're actually going with "some people are abusing the system and we should discourage that" and attempting to do so in a sane way, as opposed to Florida's "poors are evil" crap.


Sure. The only problem is that the supposed "abuse" of the "system" in this case is really just a bunch of ill-defined, highly moralized irrationality.
 
2012-07-01 01:30:46 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Foster care and sterilization are the answers.


Bigger government is always the answer.
 
2012-07-01 01:30:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Foster care and sterilization are the answers.


Can I be in your cadre of brown-shirts that collect the undesireables for forced sterilization?

/ do you drug test?
 
2012-07-01 01:31:45 PM

Shaggy_C: Lenny_da_Hog: And then when her kids steal food, throw *them* in jail.

Children of drug addicts should be taken from the home and placed with a state agency until such time that the parents are capable of being guardians.


Sounds expensive, they will have to raise taxes. I'm sure knowing they are helping out the poor and doing the right thing will let those tax hikes pass easily.
 
2012-07-01 01:32:08 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Foster care and sterilization are the answers.


Just ask the party of "small government".
 
2012-07-01 01:32:26 PM

Chameleon: Wow, Ayn Rand trolled this thread pretty hard.


Fun Fact about Ayn Rand. She spent her last remaining years on public aid.

Truly an inspiration on being bootstrappy.
 
2012-07-01 01:33:55 PM
FTA: "If somebody next door to you loses their check and food stamps, what do you think they're going to do?" asked Brown, who lives in a housing project with her four children. "They still got to eat, feed their kids. You're going to have a lot more crime."

Finally, someone speaks the truth: welfare is just protection money.
 
2012-07-01 01:34:48 PM

Mrtraveler01: hawcian: Having read the article (I know, I'm a terrible Farker), this new law sounds ... less terrible. It is at least more well thought out than the Florida version. It's not a blanket drug test; new welfare applicants are screened and only the suspicious cases are tested -- although granted, this could be abused. Also the ones who do test positive are supposed to be given a chance at treatment.

So it seems they're actually going with "some people are abusing the system and we should discourage that" and attempting to do so in a sane way, as opposed to Florida's "poors are evil" crap.

/still think it's probably a waste of money

It does seem that way, which is somewhat reasonable.

But considering this is Tennessee that we're talking about, I'm sure they'll find a way to fark it up Florida-style.


Number 2: You have the right to food money

Providing of course you
Don't mind a little
Humiliation, investigation
And if you cross your fingers
Rehabilitation
 
2012-07-01 01:35:37 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Finally, someone speaks the truth: welfare is just protection money.


Account created: 2012-03-04 23:18:14.
 
2012-07-01 01:36:09 PM

Shaggy_C: Good. They should be thrown in jail if they fail, too.


Great, that way we can hear you biatch about all those free bologna sandwiches the poors are eating on your dime
 
2012-07-01 01:37:39 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: BarkingUnicorn: Finally, someone speaks the truth: welfare is just protection money.

Account created: 2012-03-04 23:18:14.


Well..that totally invalidates anything that person has to say!
 
2012-07-01 01:39:24 PM

Cataholic: Fluorescent Testicle: BarkingUnicorn: Finally, someone speaks the truth: welfare is just protection money.

Account created: 2012-03-04 23:18:14.

Well..that totally invalidates anything that person has to say!


If you have to make an alt to get around the fact that everyone has your old account on ignore, you have nothing valid to say. You are merely contributing to the collective effort to tank the signal-to-noise ratio.
 
2012-07-01 01:39:30 PM
You guys know that the OP is quoting Ayn Rand's The Virtue of Selfishness, right? This isn't Rand-esque thinking but specifically Rand's words.
 
2012-07-01 01:40:25 PM

microman: druggies, and thieves, they will all vote for Obama

so who cares? its the Democrat way of life.


Rush Limbaugh and Rick Scott voted for Obama?
 
2012-07-01 01:40:30 PM
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2012-07-01 01:40:42 PM

microman:

the Mom spent the money on drugs. Do you really think the kid got a meal from the welfare check? Are you that stupid? Yes you are?


Let us examine your proposal in detail. As we who are intelligent all know, druggies always fail to feed their children, preferring to spend their money on drugs, no matter how much money they get. As a consequence, their children all starve to death. This means that the genetic propensity to use drugs has now died out, ushering in a golden age of drug-free life for all true Americans.

You are so smart.
 
2012-07-01 01:41:09 PM

BarkingUnicorn: FTA: "If somebody next door to you loses their check and food stamps, what do you think they're going to do?" asked Brown, who lives in a housing project with her four children. "They still got to eat, feed their kids. You're going to have a lot more crime."

Finally, someone speaks the truth: welfare is just protection money.


DUUUURRRR. Haven't you ever read any history? France ringing a bell? When poor people can't take anymore, they start killing and eating the rich.
 
2012-07-01 01:41:22 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Foster care and sterilization are the answers.


For somebody with no imagination, maybe.
 
2012-07-01 01:42:18 PM
It's not about right or wrong, it's about punishing black people until they leave your state. Everyone should be able to agree to that.
 
2012-07-01 01:44:18 PM
You have to be a 21 to gamble or drink. If you want to buy a lottery ticket, go to a casino, or buy alcohol you should have to swipe your ID. If it comes back saying you're unemployed you are denied.
 
2012-07-01 01:46:16 PM

jj325: You have to be a 21 to gamble or drink. If you want to buy a lottery ticket, go to a casino, or buy alcohol you should have to swipe your ID. If it comes back saying you're unemployed you are denied.


Why do you want to punish businesses? It's not the liquor store or casino's responsibility to make sure people make good decisions.
 
2012-07-01 01:46:17 PM

jj325: You have to be a 21 to gamble or drink. If you want to buy a lottery ticket, go to a casino, or buy alcohol you should have to swipe your ID. If it comes back saying you're unemployed you are denied.


What if I'm unemployed because I'm rich and spending my trust fund?
 
2012-07-01 01:46:33 PM

hawcian: Having read the article (I know, I'm a terrible Farker), this new law sounds ... less terrible. It is at least more well thought out than the Florida version. It's not a blanket drug test; new welfare applicants are screened and only the suspicious cases are tested -- although granted, this could be abused. Also the ones who do test positive are supposed to be given a chance at treatment.


And what's the criteria for being suspicious of using drugs, though? Maybe all the case workers will be given one of those paint color charts.
 
2012-07-01 01:46:34 PM

jj325: You have to be a 21 to gamble or drink. If you want to buy a lottery ticket, go to a casino, or buy alcohol you should have to swipe your ID. If it comes back saying you're unemployed you are denied.


I guess Mitt Romney won't have to worry; even though he's currently between jobs, he doesn't gamble or drink anyway.
 
2012-07-01 01:47:56 PM

Satanic_Hamster: And what's the criteria for being suspicious of using drugs, though?


Living in Tennessee.
 
2012-07-01 01:49:28 PM

Cataholic: Fluorescent Testicle: BarkingUnicorn: Finally, someone speaks the truth: welfare is just protection money.

Account created: 2012-03-04 23:18:14.

Well..that totally invalidates anything that person has to say!


Never trust anyone over 30!
 
2012-07-01 01:49:50 PM

MBK: cameroncrazy1984: Why not? Cash assistance isn't even a very large part of the federal budget, and it helps a lot of people. Abuse of the system is actually very low. I'm having a hard time figuring out why we shouldn't have it.

Because he read Atlas Shrugged or some other Ayn Rand novel and now he thinks poor people need to be rounded up and killed so that the rich can survive, or some bullshiat like that.


You are onto something, let's do some brainstorming and hammer out the details. I'm confident we can destroy poverty in your lifetime
 
2012-07-01 01:50:45 PM
I was having a conversation with a guy I know Friday. Runs a home care thing, supplies CNA to watch the disabled. He's all whiny because is employees are eligible for food stamps and so forth. Pays like $9 an hour. They also have a high absentee/late rate, and he's always having to pay time-and-a-half to cover for them.

I suggested that maybe if he paid them more, they wouldn't be eligible for the assistance, AND he could get a better class of worker creating higher levels of customer satisfaction while reducing the frequency with which he has to deal with the problems, and eliminating overtime.

No. Way.
 
2012-07-01 01:50:46 PM

MrEricSir: Satanic_Hamster: And what's the criteria for being suspicious of using drugs, though?

Living in Tennessee.


That seems like a fair criteria to me.
 
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