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2012-07-01 10:23:44 AM
If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."
 
2012-07-01 10:41:21 AM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."


Yeah! I was unfairly obliged to help fund a morally reprehensible war in Iraq that killed thousands of innocent people. This war was imposed on me against my wishes, thus violating my rights. I was not given the opportunity to decide how each dollar I paid in taxes was allocated. I was shackled to the tyrannical war machine! This is slave labor!

And as if that weren't enough, I was arbitrarily obliged to not go faster than 65 on the freeway yesterday! Who the Hell gave people the right to impose this restriction on my liberty?
 
2012-07-01 10:48:57 AM
I'm not particularly interested in subsidizing certain persons' access to the internet, either.
 
2012-07-01 10:56:55 AM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."


In florida, they spent something like $21 million to catch a few thousand in fraud. Oh and the money went to a friend of the governor.

That makes sense to you?
 
2012-07-01 11:08:08 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."

In florida, they spent something like $21 million to catch a few thousand in fraud. Oh and the money went to a friend of the governor.

That makes sense to you?


The problem is with the program existing at all.

No, it doesn't make sense to spend that amount of money to catch that few people, but the program shouldn't be in place to start with. Problem solved.
 
2012-07-01 11:08:46 AM
I really do enjoy my state wasting the precious few dollars they get, since all we have are regressive sales taxes that are highly volatile in incoming value as the economy changes. Not to mention they've cut services everywhere, so clearly the solution is to now waste money. I suppose it could be worse; nobody has found out that Haslam has set up a direct subsidy to himself yet, or declared all gas stations except Pilot subject to extra taxes or anything retarded like that. Of course, that's hard to tell since the very first thing he did as governor was to trash all the regulations on reporting income for himself and his staff.
 
2012-07-01 11:20:04 AM

Silly Jesus: The problem is with the program existing at all.

No, it doesn't make sense to spend that amount of money to catch that few people, but the program shouldn't be in place to start with. Problem solved


Why not? Cash assistance isn't even a very large part of the federal budget, and it helps a lot of people. Abuse of the system is actually very low. I'm having a hard time figuring out why we shouldn't have it.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-07-01 11:28:26 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Why not? Cash assistance isn't even a very large part of the federal budget, and it helps a lot of people. Abuse of the system is actually very low. I'm having a hard time figuring out why we shouldn't have it.


Because he read Atlas Shrugged or some other Ayn Rand novel and now he thinks poor people need to be rounded up and killed so that the rich can survive, or some bullshiat like that.
 
2012-07-01 11:30:45 AM

MBK: cameroncrazy1984: Why not? Cash assistance isn't even a very large part of the federal budget, and it helps a lot of people. Abuse of the system is actually very low. I'm having a hard time figuring out why we shouldn't have it.

Because he read Atlas Shrugged or some other Ayn Rand novel and now he thinks poor people need to be rounded up and killed so that the rich can survive, or some bullshiat like that.


Yep, that sounds about right.
 
2012-07-01 12:16:41 PM
I still say we pick one state and let the tards do whatever they want with it. Make it a glorious cultural metropolis that the other 49 (or 56 if you want to take a clever AND original jab at the President) states will be envious of.
 
2012-07-01 12:24:52 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I still say we pick one state and let the tards do whatever they want with it. Make it a glorious cultural metropolis that the other 49 (or 56 if you want to take a clever AND original jab at the President) states will be envious of.


I thought that was Arizona?
 
2012-07-01 12:25:40 PM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."


"'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.'"

God wants you to be a slave!
 
2012-07-01 12:42:34 PM
Not this is a crap again.
 
2012-07-01 12:45:16 PM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."


We have a concept in the US called the "social contract". The quid pro quo of this contract reads roughly that for value received of not starving to death in the streets and generally having a slightly better than subsistence level of existing, the poor covenant not to rise up en masse to burn, loot and murder the wealthy.

Don't like it? Move to Somalia and live in a fortress.
 
2012-07-01 12:48:32 PM
The modern GOP, ladies and gentlemen. Wasting tax money to punish people that they don't like.
 
2012-07-01 12:50:00 PM
It won't save any money but if it humiliates someone down on their luck, it is worth it. When Jesus separated the fish and the bread, I think there was something about shoving it their face first and calling them losers.
 
2012-07-01 12:53:02 PM
I know I personally just can't start my day out right unless I humiliate a poor person.
 
2012-07-01 12:53:10 PM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."


Worm-farming is a can't-fail, highly profitable business.
And I can prove it.
On paper.
 
2012-07-01 12:53:41 PM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor.


1) that's phrased with weasely intent
2) it's false, because the "slave" can quit, or leave for Somalia (which I urge you to do now)
3) you're a tard
4) I railed your mother.
 
2012-07-01 12:54:01 PM
every american knows that drugs are, like, cool.
 
2012-07-01 12:54:28 PM
Isn't there a way to test their fingertips for Cadillac residue?
 
2012-07-01 12:56:32 PM
Good. They should be thrown in jail if they fail, too.
 
2012-07-01 12:57:28 PM

Shaggy_C: Good. They should be thrown in jail if they fail, too.


Wank wank wank.
 
2012-07-01 12:58:29 PM
3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: Gee, sorry, but your mom takes drugs, so you don't get any food money.

3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: You should have thought of that before you decided to be born to a druggie! Go get a job! Be bootstrappy!
 
2012-07-01 12:58:56 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: I know I personally just can't start my day out right unless I humiliate a poor person.


A bill in the Alabama state house says they have to balance their food on their nose until someone who works for a living tells them to eat it.
 
2012-07-01 12:59:17 PM
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2012-07-01 12:59:52 PM

GAT_00: I really do enjoy my state wasting the precious few dollars they get, since all we have are regressive sales taxes that are highly volatile in incoming value as the economy changes. Not to mention they've cut services everywhere, so clearly the solution is to now waste money. I suppose it could be worse; nobody has found out that Haslam has set up a direct subsidy to himself yet, or declared all gas stations except Pilot subject to extra taxes or anything retarded like that. Of course, that's hard to tell since the very first thing he did as governor was to trash all the regulations on reporting income for himself and his staff.


fark Bill Haslam. I remember when that hurricane hit the refineries in texas a couple years ago and gas prices in Knoxville jumped up to $5 a gallon the NEXT farkING DAY even though the Pilot tanks on middlebrook were full of farking gas that had come through the pipeline in the past week. fark that price gouging motherfarker. That shiat with the city credit cards being misused when he was mayor of knoxville was rediculous too. "Oh i didn't know anything about my staff misusing credit cards" Why the fark not, you incompetent twat? You either knew that there were using them wrong and were accomplice to the fact or you were so goddamn incompetent you had no idea how they were spending the money in your OWN GODDAMN OFFICE that you were supposed to be in charge of. You can't have it both ways!! If he got hit with a bus tomorrow I would dance in the street.

/fark bill haslam
//rant end.
 
2012-07-01 01:00:45 PM

Shaggy_C: Good. They should be thrown in jail if they fail, too.


Why? So you can complain about your tax dollars going to pay for their weight-training and cable TV?
 
2012-07-01 01:01:11 PM
It's immoral and doesn't save money. What's the upside again?
 
2012-07-01 01:02:10 PM

Silly Jesus: cameroncrazy1984: Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."

In florida, they spent something like $21 million to catch a few thousand in fraud. Oh and the money went to a friend of the governor.

That makes sense to you?

The problem is with the program existing at all.


Says someone who lived through a period without it. That was known as the Great Depression. Food riots were common in those days.
 
2012-07-01 01:03:27 PM

MBK: cameroncrazy1984: Why not? Cash assistance isn't even a very large part of the federal budget, and it helps a lot of people. Abuse of the system is actually very low. I'm having a hard time figuring out why we shouldn't have it.

Because he read Atlas Shrugged or some other Ayn Rand novel and now he thinks poor people need to be rounded up and killed so that the rich can survive, or some bullshiat like that.


If he actually read any Ayn Rand and thinks that, then he didn't understand her at all.
 
2012-07-01 01:03:39 PM

DarwiOdrade: Why? So you can complain about your tax dollars going to pay for their weight-training and cable TV?


Don't be ridiculous. The threat of punishment is supposed to encourage positive behavior. You can't get a well-paying job if you can't pass a drug test.
 
2012-07-01 01:03:52 PM

microman: the Mom spent the money on drugs. Do you really think the kid got a meal from the welfare check? Are you that stupid? Yes you are?


Are you aware that the poor buy foods with EBT cards, not welfare checks?

For a right winger obsessed with those lucky poors getting to eat food, I would think you would know the basics of how that works.
 
2012-07-01 01:05:14 PM
I understand that states pass stupid laws all the time, but when they pass an obviously unconstitutional law...I just don't get it.
 
2012-07-01 01:05:26 PM

Shaggy_C: DarwiOdrade: Why? So you can complain about your tax dollars going to pay for their weight-training and cable TV?

Don't be ridiculous. The threat of punishment is supposed to encourage positive behavior. You can't get a well-paying job if you can't pass a drug test.


You can't get a well-paying job if you're "thrown in jail" either, genius.
 
2012-07-01 01:06:08 PM

microman: Ozarkhawk: 3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: Gee, sorry, but your mom takes drugs, so you don't get any food money.

3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: You should have thought of that before you decided to be born to a druggie! Go get a job! Be bootstrappy!

the Mom spent the money on drugs. Do you really think the kid got a meal from the welfare check? Are you that stupid? Yes you are?


I figured the point would be lost on you. Just not that fast.

Most people - even druggies - still eat. A kid in a a home with money has a better chance of eating than a kid in a home with no money, regardless of drugs. Punishing children for the sins of their parents isn't the answer.
 
2012-07-01 01:06:19 PM

microman: Ozarkhawk: 3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: Gee, sorry, but your mom takes drugs, so you don't get any food money.

3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: You should have thought of that before you decided to be born to a druggie! Go get a job! Be bootstrappy!

the Mom spent the money on drugs. Do you really think the kid got a meal from the welfare check? Are you that stupid? Yes you are?


Because everyone on welfare is a druggie. No matter what. In fact, you get a free 8-ball when you sign up, just to keep the sterotype going.
 
2012-07-01 01:07:36 PM

Silly Jesus: cameroncrazy1984: Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."

In florida, they spent something like $21 million to catch a few thousand in fraud. Oh and the money went to a friend of the governor.

That makes sense to you?

The problem is with the program existing at all.

No, it doesn't make sense to spend that amount of money to catch that few people, but the program shouldn't be in place to start with. Problem solved.


In order to come to this conclusion of yours, one must first either ignore the history behind programs such as these altogether, or, barring that, take significant measures to rewrite the historical narrative behind the development of these programs.

You, sir, whether by accident of design, are a conduit for lies.

The economists of the likes of the Hoover Institute, The American Enterprise Institute, The Reason Foundation, The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute are not arriving at their opinions which you echo, trough empirical analysis of policy. They get their by first staking our a moral position and cherry picking analysis to FIT this moral position.

These professionals are not economists. They may be trained in economics, but first and foremost, they are moralists.

And as such, no longer qualify as scientific analysts of economic policy and should be ignored at all cost.
 
2012-07-01 01:07:45 PM

DarwiOdrade: You can't get a well-paying job if you're "thrown in jail" either, genius.


At least in jail you can't really continue breaking the law...
 
2012-07-01 01:08:53 PM

Shaggy_C: DarwiOdrade: You can't get a well-paying job if you're "thrown in jail" either, genius.

At least in jail you can't really continue breaking the law...


But then you're paying for their weight-training and cable TV.
 
2012-07-01 01:09:22 PM

Shaggy_C: DarwiOdrade: You can't get a well-paying job if you're "thrown in jail" either, genius.

At least in jail you can't really continue breaking the law...


You're the worst troll ever, Towlie.

Yeah, I know.
 
2012-07-01 01:09:51 PM

microman: Ozarkhawk: 3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: Gee, sorry, but your mom takes drugs, so you don't get any food money.

3 year old: I'm hungry!

Tennessee: You should have thought of that before you decided to be born to a druggie! Go get a job! Be bootstrappy!

the Mom spent the money on drugs. Do you really think the kid got a meal from the welfare check? Are you that stupid? Yes you are?


How do EBT cards work?
 
2012-07-01 01:10:10 PM
Wow, Ayn Rand trolled this thread pretty hard.
 
2012-07-01 01:10:16 PM

andersoncouncil42: It's immoral and doesn't save money. What's the upside again?


It punishes poor people. Poor people who might be Democrats, or worse, might be brown.
 
2012-07-01 01:11:02 PM

X-boxershorts: The economists of the likes of the Hoover Institute, The American Enterprise Institute, The Reason Foundation, The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute are not arriving at their opinions which you echo, trough empirical analysis of policy. They get their by first staking our a moral position and cherry picking analysis to FIT this moral position.

These professionals are not economists. They may be trained in economics, but first and foremost, they are moralists.


No. If they were true moralists, the policies they backed would have a track record of reducing the behavior they claim is wrong. Instead, time and again, their policies only truly have a track record of enriching those that need enriching the least at the expense of those that need it most.

These people know what they're doing, and know it hurts society more than it helps. But they do it anyway, to keep themselves on top of the mountain.
 
2012-07-01 01:11:50 PM

Shaggy_C: DarwiOdrade: You can't get a well-paying job if you're "thrown in jail" either, genius.

At least in jail you can't really continue breaking the law...


And then when her kids steal food, throw *them* in jail.

Jail, jail for everyone! Punishment is fun.
 
2012-07-01 01:13:11 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Shaggy_C: DarwiOdrade: You can't get a well-paying job if you're "thrown in jail" either, genius.

At least in jail you can't really continue breaking the law...

And then when her kids steal food, throw *them* in jail.

Jail, jail for everyone! Punishment is fun.


Well, at least then they can get their GEDs through taxpayer-funded educational programs.
 
2012-07-01 01:13:57 PM

IlGreven: X-boxershorts: The economists of the likes of the Hoover Institute, The American Enterprise Institute, The Reason Foundation, The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute are not arriving at their opinions which you echo, trough empirical analysis of policy. They get their by first staking our a moral position and cherry picking analysis to FIT this moral position.

These professionals are not economists. They may be trained in economics, but first and foremost, they are moralists.

No. If they were true moralists, the policies they backed would have a track record of reducing the behavior they claim is wrong. Instead, time and again, their policies only truly have a track record of enriching those that need enriching the least at the expense of those that need it most.

These people know what they're doing, and know it hurts society more than it helps. But they do it anyway, to keep themselves on top of the mountain.


I never said they were honest or consistent moralists. Only that their every argument against the social safety net programs comes from a position of morality and not from dispassioned scientific analysis of empirical evidence...(empirical evidence which, is often ignored if it doesn't fit their moral perspective)
 
2012-07-01 01:14:16 PM
Well, they MUST be lazy, or on drugs, or something, since they're poor. I mean, it HAS to be their fault. Nothing like that could happen to someone that works hard, who tries hard, right? 'Cause that would me it could happen to me, and I don't like to think about that.
 
2012-07-01 01:15:55 PM

Silly Jesus: If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."


Look, I appreciate this type of argument, and understand that it is all part of the push and pull of living in a democracy, but you guys miss the greater point sometimes. No one anywhere is ever truly pulling his own weight. Even if you are John Galt himself, you owe some part of your existence to the choices/sacrifices/discoveries/largesse/hard work of other people. (and even animlas, ffs)

Given that, and the fact that the line between being one of the capable and one of the less fortunate is essentially having the ability to pick your parents wisely, (and hard work, luck, etc) I just don't understand how people can have so little compassion for the less fortunate.

Oh, and I hate paying my taxes and wish the government was more efficient and transparent, but at the end of the day, taxes buy me civilization. I don't want to live in a world where the unlucky/needy/lesser-abled/vulnerable are left to rot and die. (I might end up like one of them one day) I'd rather chip in a little and try to create a country that works for as many people as possible.

It seems that most of our fellow citizens agree, which is probably why we have the govenerment we have today.
 
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