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(BBC)   In addition to having a high-vi$ibility ve$t and warning triangle, French motori$t$ mu$t now have two breathalyzer kit$ in their car$ at all time$ or risk an immediate fine   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 88
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2012-07-01 01:40:35 PM  
I honestly wish I had a brethalyser for my car. It'd take the guesswork out of that grey area where I had a few beers an hour ago. Am I legal or not?

Kind of like driving without a speedometer, if you ask me.
 
2012-07-01 01:44:13 PM  
drivers' groups opposing the measure say it has been foisted on France by clever industry lobbying.

Do ya think?

Some high government officials go some major 'gifts' to even consider that legislation.

And this in a nation which raises it's people on wine from infancy. At least it pleases me to know that the US hasn't the only governing body which can be bought and paid for.
 
2012-07-01 01:44:24 PM  
I'm 46 year-old Frenchie and I started drinking wine at age nine!!!
 
2012-07-01 02:08:06 PM  

Trackball: Tell me why alcohol is a legal substance again? If it causes so many deaths why isn't it banned?


No no no, alcohol doesn't cause death, it's CARS. Cars should be banned.
 
2012-07-01 02:09:42 PM  

Gig103: I don't think requiring it in the car will make anyone use them. Until they are pulled over and now the police can save resources by using the driver's.

It's a stupid law, probably enacted because someone who makes those devices has a friend in high places.

Meanwhile, I had to but a high vis jacket when driving in Austria but the ones they sold never would have fit a fat American like myself if I needed it.


They said the same thing when seatbelt laws were first being discussed.
 
2012-07-01 02:09:53 PM  
So I go out, have a couple of drinks. Being the conscientiously minded person that I am, I decide to use one of my breathalysers to make sure I'm below the legal BAC level. I'm below the legal limit, so off I go.
On my way home I get pulled over. Now, the officer is going to check if I have my compulsory 2 breathalysers. Well, now I only have one because I used one to test myself.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
2012-07-01 02:14:07 PM  

Alphakronik: They said the same thing when seatbelt laws were first being discussed.


please elaborate on how this is equivalent to seatbelt laws.
 
2012-07-01 02:17:50 PM  
The Frenchies need something to help fund all the riot control they need. But if they really wanted all the rioting to stop, they could ask one of the neighboring countries to declare war on them. All the rioters would disappear.
 
2012-07-01 02:23:46 PM  
Can we just make cars harder to use? More complicated controls, seatbelts that strangle you if your reflexes aren't catlike, etc.
 
2012-07-01 02:24:03 PM  

camaroash: And in Ireland you'll be similarly fined if you're not carrying two pints of Guinness.*

* A bottle of Bailey's is also acceptable.


My first thought was, "Why does the ostrich have a clitellum?"
 
2012-07-01 02:28:55 PM  

Gig103: I don't think requiring it in the car will make anyone use them. Until they are pulled over and now the police can save resources by using the driver's.

It's a stupid law, probably enacted because someone who makes those devices has a friend in high places.

Meanwhile, I had to but a high vis jacket when driving in Austria but the ones they sold never would have fit a fat American like myself if I needed it.


Yeah, it's not like drunks don't know they're drunk.

Besides, it's totally unfair to those of us who don't drink, period.
 
2012-07-01 02:31:22 PM  

Posh Naranek: Can we just make cars harder to use? More complicated controls, seatbelts that strangle you if your reflexes aren't catlike, etc.


Which will give us:
emywinchester.files.wordpress.com
Warning, catlike driving detected.
 
2012-07-01 02:33:02 PM  

SithLord: Compulsory purchases. Surely that can't happen in America, amirite?


we are all welcome to live lives free of personal possessions, monetary wealth, living quarters and sustenance.

no car in france = no buy breathylzer kits

no money in america = no you don't have to buy obamacare or anything else
 
2012-07-01 02:41:18 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: An €11 fine, thiz iz outrageous!

/imagine that in a bad French accent.


im.glogster.com
 
2012-07-01 02:43:34 PM  
The NWO motto: "Intimidate and control."
 
2012-07-01 02:46:04 PM  

bmihura: 1. You think you own a house? Paid it off? Try missing your property taxes for one year, then see who owns it.


You don't pay property taxes to own a home, you pay property taxes for the benefits living in your community confers such as a local school, police, firefighters, roads, etc. All this also applies to your #3, of course. If you don't like it, there are Utopian regions of this planet where you can eschew all these things and not have to pay the associated taxes. I have no idea, however, if it costs more or less to hire and maintain your own small personal army of mercs for protection in those places.

2. You think you own a car? Try not paying your registration fees, insurance, inspection tag, etc., then see who owns it.

You will. You don't lose your car for not paying any of those things, you lose your privilege to use it on public roads. Lots of people own cars they don't have to pay any of those things on, they just can't take them on public roads.

4. You think you can breathe air for free? OK that is still free for now. :)

No, not really it's not. Thanks to more than a century of strong pollution there are plenty of regulations aimed at trying to keep that air healthy. You pay for them both through your taxes and as an increase in the cost of some products and services you buy.
 
2012-07-01 03:02:25 PM  
I have a cousin who lives near St. Brieuc in Brittany. A few years ago we went to a birthday party with my cousin and at the end of the night I said I would walk back to his house as I had been drinking. The father of the birthday girl offered to drive me and my cousin back. He had drank about 2 bottles of wine and several beers, and thought I was being 'too British' because I didn't want to drink-drive. He was also the local mayor and a retired chief of police. Most of the guests at the party were coppers too, and they all drove home too, nobody thought anything of it. It's a quiet area they live in, and it was around 4am so nobody about, but still, it's farking dangerous.
 
2012-07-01 03:19:53 PM  

Posh Naranek: Posh Naranek: Can we just make cars harder to use? More complicated controls, seatbelts that strangle you if your reflexes aren't catlike, etc.

Which will give us:
[emywinchester.files.wordpress.com image 560x372]
Warning, catlike driving detected.


Catbus?

home.comcast.net
 
2012-07-01 03:20:07 PM  

violentsalvation: I predict a rise in fatal alcohol poisonings after people hold drinking competitions with the fun little breathalyzers located everywhere, and alcohol-related automotive accidents will stay about the same.


The last time I was in Paris (about 4 years ago) they had breathalyser machines in most of the bars I went in.
 
2012-07-01 03:23:36 PM  
Utterly pointless and stupid, all it does is make money for the makers of the breathalyzers and that is it.

People will buy them and keep them in their car because they have to, much like an insurance card it will be tucked away in the glove box or perhaps the trunk until the police officer ask to see that you have one.

They will not use one, why would a drunk who is going to drive bother with testing him self for alcohol level?
 
2012-07-01 03:25:47 PM  

vpb: 11 Euro fine? That's like $15, who is going to worry about that? Although it IS France, so the law makes sense.


Well, they probably won't be paying in Euros anymore soon, if this PIIGS bailout crap continues...
 
2012-07-01 03:25:57 PM  
There is this thing called the EU. I do not see how this is legal.
 
2012-07-01 03:32:24 PM  

Trackball: Tell me why alcohol is a legal substance again? If it causes so many deaths why isn't it banned?


Where are you going with this, exactly? Driving while stoned is also dangerous. So I guess your point is that pot should remain illegal and that alcohol should also be illegal?
Guns are also dangerous and kill people regularly. Should they also be banned? Where would you propose it end? I'm just confused about what your point is.
 
2012-07-01 03:44:55 PM  

Jument: Trackball: Tell me why alcohol is a legal substance again? If it causes so many deaths why isn't it banned?

Where are you going with this, exactly? Driving while stoned is also dangerous. So I guess your point is that pot should remain illegal and that alcohol should also be illegal?
Guns are also dangerous and kill people regularly. Should they also be banned? Where would you propose it end? I'm just confused about what your point is.


Some people can't chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. I suggest we next make bubble gum illegal. That or kill their parents.
 
2012-07-01 03:52:57 PM  
Odd, they vote in a socialist and 1 month later they start in with the nanny state crazyness. Honestly this would piss me off. I don't drink at all and so why should i buy something to prove to me that Im not drunk?
 
2012-07-01 03:55:51 PM  
it's BS cause i can drive with alcohol in me
and the tests will say i'm "too drunk to drive, even though i'm not"
 
2012-07-01 04:07:39 PM  

FarkerinMN: Odd, they vote in a socialist and 1 month later they start in with the nanny state crazyness. Honestly this would piss me off. I don't drink at all and so why should i buy something to prove to me that Im not drunk?


Yeah, really odd, since according to TFA, it was Sarkozy's conservative government that put all this in to place.

But yeah, it's always socialists that do this. Conservatives NEVER pass asinine laws. Nope. Not at all.
 
2012-07-01 04:17:00 PM  

SithLord: Compulsory purchases. Surely that can't happen in America, amirite?


Obama Care was found to be constitutionally legal.
 
2012-07-01 04:24:21 PM  

oxycodon: SithLord: Compulsory purchases. Surely that can't happen in America, amirite?

Obama Care was found to be constitutionally legal.


By a herd of liberals ruling on a liberal's wet dream. There's nothing more liberals like more than fascism. Unless we're talking about killing the unborn.
 
2012-07-01 04:28:32 PM  

bmihura: Bio-nic: Now that the government of the US can mandate that we purchase things, how long before we get this?

The government of the US has always mandated that we purchase things, they're just piling more on to the stack as usual.

Examples:

1. You think you own a house? Paid it off? Try missing your property taxes for one year, then see who owns it.

True.

2. You think you own a car? Try not paying your registration fees, insurance, inspection tag, etc., then see who owns it.


Actually, many people do just that. You can't drive them on public roads like that, but there are plenty of motor vehicles that don't have registration, insurance, or inspections. Generally, they are things like off-road only vehicles, like race cars, pure dirt bikes, farm trucks, etc.
 
2012-07-01 04:38:41 PM  

KrispyKritter: SithLord: Compulsory purchases. Surely that can't happen in America, amirite?

we are all welcome to live lives free of personal possessions, monetary wealth, living quarters and sustenance.

no car in france = no buy breathylzer kits

no money in america = no you don't have to buy obamacare or anything else


" If an individual chooses not to purchase health insurance they will be fined $95 per person/per year and for the family whatever is greater: up to $285 or 1% of the household taxable income."

Someone is wrong on the internet!
 
2012-07-01 06:05:01 PM  

Norfolking Chance: For example bikers must now have at least 150cm^3 of reflective material on their clothes.


So, would 2/3 cup of silver paint be enough?
 
2012-07-01 06:13:57 PM  

serial_crusher: You spelled €ars wrong, subby. They probably don't have to buy all that stuff in USD.


Cam€ her€ to say this.
 
2012-07-01 06:20:04 PM  
We need more French stupidity.. That article alone makes me wanna have a French tag to compete with the Florida tag.. ;-)



TorqueToad: "If an individual chooses not to purchase health insurance they will be fined $95 per person/per year and for the family whatever is greater: up to $285 or 1% of the household taxable income."

Someone is wrong on the internet!


The monthly penalty amount is the greater of 1/12 of a, per person, flat dollar amount, ($95 for 2014, $325 for 2015, $695, indexed for inflation for 2016 and following), or a small percentage of the amount by which the taxpayer's household income exceeds gross income.

They weren't the only one.
 
2012-07-01 06:44:58 PM  

lunkhed: The French government hopes that with breathalysers in every car, drivers who suspect they may be over the limit can test themselves and if necessary refrain from taking the wheel.

Having used the test, the driver will no longer have a breathalyser kit available in the car and will then be unable to drive.


This is where jerks like me would try and probably push things. If the law doesn't specifically state that you have to have a working and/or unused kit, then I can see someone buying one, using it and then tossing it in the back seat. Then, when they get stopped they can say, "Sure officer, I've got one."

Assuming that wouldn't fly, I guess motorists would need two. That way, if they use one, they still have one to show if they get stopped. Well, that or buy one and never use it, regardless of how much you've had to drink.
 
2012-07-01 07:49:36 PM  

Rik01: drivers' groups opposing the measure say it has been foisted on France by clever industry lobbying.


I imagine industry is visiting MADD over the weekend while the rest of us kill time here.
 
2012-07-01 10:29:29 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: An €11 fine, thiz iz outrageous!

/imagine that in a bad French accent.


Fire le missiles!
 
2012-07-02 10:40:10 AM  
the if it only saves one life types to descend soon......
 
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