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2012-07-01 11:11:10 AM  

coeyagi: skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Derp session? From liberals? Dude, the 2010 house got elected on the theme of fiscal responsibility and they've done nothing but tout social issues. Talk about derp, you asshole.

Yes, despite your best try at a very poor deflection, this thread is full of liberal derp.

How is it full of derp? Yes, a few people think they can't opt out, most of us DO realize Florida can opt out but the question is whether he will or not?

So... you lied. It is not full of derp, because again the vast majority of us libs realize he can opt out.

Or, you're a troll then or unable to keep track of the thread.


No, it's full of derp based on the liberal perceived double standard of the headline.

I'm betting you just figured out they could opt out about twenty minutes ago.

/but you aren't honest enough to admit to it
//that would ruin your fark street cred
 
2012-07-01 11:12:23 AM  
God, why are Republicans so butthurt over this?
 
2012-07-01 11:13:28 AM  

skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Derp session? From liberals? Dude, the 2010 house got elected on the theme of fiscal responsibility and they've done nothing but tout social issues. Talk about derp, you asshole.

Yes, despite your best try at a very poor deflection, this thread is full of liberal derp.

How is it full of derp? Yes, a few people think they can't opt out, most of us DO realize Florida can opt out but the question is whether he will or not?

So... you lied. It is not full of derp, because again the vast majority of us libs realize he can opt out.

Or, you're a troll then or unable to keep track of the thread.

No, it's full of derp based on the liberal perceived double standard of the headline.

I'm betting you just figured out they could opt out about twenty minutes ago.

/but you aren't honest enough to admit to it
//that would ruin your fark street cred


You sound like the kind of guy who bets on the Pirates and Orioles a lot.
 
2012-07-01 11:14:38 AM  

coeyagi: skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Derp session? From liberals? Dude, the 2010 house got elected on the theme of fiscal responsibility and they've done nothing but tout social issues. Talk about derp, you asshole.

Yes, despite your best try at a very poor deflection, this thread is full of liberal derp.

How is it full of derp? Yes, a few people think they can't opt out, most of us DO realize Florida can opt out but the question is whether he will or not?

So... you lied. It is not full of derp, because again the vast majority of us libs realize he can opt out.

Or, you're a troll then or unable to keep track of the thread.

No, it's full of derp based on the liberal perceived double standard of the headline.

I'm betting you just figured out they could opt out about twenty minutes ago.

/but you aren't honest enough to admit to it
//that would ruin your fark street cred

You sound like the kind of guy who bets on the Pirates and Orioles a lot.


Hey watch it pal.

This is definitely the Pirates year!

/not really
 
2012-07-01 11:15:36 AM  

coeyagi: skipjack: keylock71: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Want to bet that Florida ends up taken all the Federal money they can get their wrinkled, old arthritic hands on despite the gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair from the GOP?


GOP: Like petulant children who have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table to eat their broccoli.

Probably so...which has nothing to do with what I said.

The fact remains that Florida can opt out if they want because that's what the law of the land says. That's the fun of hook-line-sinker headlines on fark that snag liberals. It shows just how uninformed they really are and just how much partisan hackery they are willing to engage in to protect their precious meme's about what they believe.

/meme's like "petulant children who have to be dragged kicking and screaming"
//but i'm sure you aren't engaging in that sort of behavior at all.

Fox News viewers are the most uninformed, bro. Several studies to back that. Who do you think watches that? Latte-sipping hipsters from Williamsburg?


The study you are referencing is rather old and cable/network news along with newspapers don't do a good job of informing their users. The most informed go seek information...unless you're liberal you seek confirmation bias.

/hence the liberal derp session i referenced in this thread
 
2012-07-01 11:15:46 AM  

coeyagi: Tor_Eckman: coeyagi: skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Derp session? From liberals? Dude, the 2010 house got elected on the theme of fiscal responsibility and they've done nothing but tout social issues. Talk about derp, you asshole.

Yes, despite your best try at a very poor deflection, this thread is full of liberal derp.

How is it full of derp? Yes, a few people think they can't opt out, most of us DO realize Florida can opt out but the question is whether he will or not?

So... you lied. It is not full of derp, because again the vast majority of us libs realize he can opt out.

Or, you're a troll then or unable to keep track of the thread.

Let's be clear about this: States can decide only to opt out of expanding Medicaid to their lower-income residents that aren't eligible for it now. SCOTUS said that they cannot be penalized via lower levels of the federal money for Medicaid that they would get normally if they decide not to expand it. That is all.

States must still comply with the remainder of the law, or the federal government will step in and make them compliant. There is no opt-out.

Yes, we know it's opt-out of expanding medicaid only, I was being very brief as I was responding to a troll and not willing to exert much energy.


Well it's an important distinction. Scott saying he will not expand Medicaid is one thing. He is allowed by law to do that without penalty. But he says he isn't going to do anything to comply with the new law. This is not allowed by law and is akin to saying he will not comply with the civil rights act or the emancipation proclamation or any federal law for that matter. We know how that turned out in the states where it actually happened.
 
2012-07-01 11:17:14 AM  

skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: keylock71: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Want to bet that Florida ends up taken all the Federal money they can get their wrinkled, old arthritic hands on despite the gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair from the GOP?


GOP: Like petulant children who have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table to eat their broccoli.

Probably so...which has nothing to do with what I said.

The fact remains that Florida can opt out if they want because that's what the law of the land says. That's the fun of hook-line-sinker headlines on fark that snag liberals. It shows just how uninformed they really are and just how much partisan hackery they are willing to engage in to protect their precious meme's about what they believe.

/meme's like "petulant children who have to be dragged kicking and screaming"
//but i'm sure you aren't engaging in that sort of behavior at all.

Fox News viewers are the most uninformed, bro. Several studies to back that. Who do you think watches that? Latte-sipping hipsters from Williamsburg?

The study you are referencing is rather old and cable/network news along with newspapers don't do a good job of informing their users. The most informed go seek information...unless you're liberal you seek confirmation bias.

/hence the liberal derp session i referenced in this thread


Confirmation bias? 7 studies, dumbass, not 1.

Link
 
2012-07-01 11:17:44 AM  

coeyagi: Tor_Eckman: coeyagi: skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Derp session? From liberals? Dude, the 2010 house got elected on the theme of fiscal responsibility and they've done nothing but tout social issues. Talk about derp, you asshole.

Yes, despite your best try at a very poor deflection, this thread is full of liberal derp.

How is it full of derp? Yes, a few people think they can't opt out, most of us DO realize Florida can opt out but the question is whether he will or not?

So... you lied. It is not full of derp, because again the vast majority of us libs realize he can opt out.

Or, you're a troll then or unable to keep track of the thread.

Let's be clear about this: States can decide only to opt out of expanding Medicaid to their lower-income residents that aren't eligible for it now. SCOTUS said that they cannot be penalized via lower levels of the federal money for Medicaid that they would get normally if they decide not to expand it. That is all.

States must still comply with the remainder of the law, or the federal government will step in and make them compliant. There is no opt-out.

Yes, we know it's opt-out of expanding medicaid only, I was being very brief as I was responding to a troll and not willing to exert much energy.


If you disagree with a fark liberal...you're automatically a troll.

/one of my more favorite meme's
 
2012-07-01 11:18:10 AM  

skipjack: The study you are referencing is rather old and cable/network news along with newspapers don't do a good job of informing their users. The most informed go seek information...unless you're liberal you seek confirmation bias.

/hence the liberal derp session i referenced in this thread


Yet here you are trying to spread the lie that what Scott is suggesting is perfectly legal.

Or maybe you can quote the part of the majority opinion that says that states can opt out of the entire law.
 
2012-07-01 11:18:36 AM  

skipjack: The most informed go seek information...unless you're liberal you seek confirmation bias.


You're implying that conservatives seek information and not confirmation bias?

That's hysterical and quite easily the funniest post of the week.

/funny'd
 
2012-07-01 11:19:39 AM  

skipjack: coeyagi: Tor_Eckman: coeyagi: skipjack: coeyagi: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Derp session? From liberals? Dude, the 2010 house got elected on the theme of fiscal responsibility and they've done nothing but tout social issues. Talk about derp, you asshole.

Yes, despite your best try at a very poor deflection, this thread is full of liberal derp.

How is it full of derp? Yes, a few people think they can't opt out, most of us DO realize Florida can opt out but the question is whether he will or not?

So... you lied. It is not full of derp, because again the vast majority of us libs realize he can opt out.

Or, you're a troll then or unable to keep track of the thread.

Let's be clear about this: States can decide only to opt out of expanding Medicaid to their lower-income residents that aren't eligible for it now. SCOTUS said that they cannot be penalized via lower levels of the federal money for Medicaid that they would get normally if they decide not to expand it. That is all.

States must still comply with the remainder of the law, or the federal government will step in and make them compliant. There is no opt-out.

Yes, we know it's opt-out of expanding medicaid only, I was being very brief as I was responding to a troll and not willing to exert much energy.

If you disagree with a fark liberal...you're automatically a troll.

/one of my more favorite meme's


If you just go on a tirade about "liberal derp" without actually providing evidence to back it, you may be a troll. But thanks for rewriting history.
 
2012-07-01 11:20:20 AM  
By the way, skipjack, when you pluralize something, you don't use an apostrophe. You misinformed dumbass.
 
2012-07-01 11:20:25 AM  

skipjack: If you disagree with a fark liberal...you're automatically a troll.

/one of my more favorite meme's


You are either ignorant of what the SCOTUS actually said, or a troll. It's has to be one of the other, or both.

So you tell us.
 
2012-07-01 11:21:06 AM  

Cataholic: The headline is accurate.


No, it's not.

comply: to conform, submit, or adapt (as to a regulation or to another's wishes) as required or requested

Rick Scott is going to comply with the law in that he has the option to forego creation of insurance exchanges and, according to the SCOTUS ruling, he won't lose Medicare funding by not expanding (which option was already part of the law). So by definition, he will comply, though his compliance will be without full participation.
 
2012-07-01 11:23:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: you can COBRA your last job till you get a new one. Why would you NOT HAVE IT?? unless you couldn't get it?


COBRA from my last job would have cost $1,100 per month. I don't have a spare $1,100 per month..
 
2012-07-01 11:24:09 AM  

DarwiOdrade: Cataholic: The headline is accurate.

No, it's not.

comply: to conform, submit, or adapt (as to a regulation or to another's wishes) as required or requested

Rick Scott is going to comply with the law in that he has the option to forego creation of insurance exchanges and, according to the SCOTUS ruling, he won't lose Medicare funding by not expanding (which option was already part of the law). So by definition, he will comply, though his compliance will be without full participation.


OK - Rick Scott actually did use those words, but Rick Scott is just blustering and will, in fact, implement the PPACA in every required fashion.
 
2012-07-01 11:25:48 AM  

DarwiOdrade: Cataholic: The headline is accurate.

No, it's not.

comply: to conform, submit, or adapt (as to a regulation or to another's wishes) as required or requested

Rick Scott is going to comply with the law in that he has the option to forego creation of insurance exchanges and, according to the SCOTUS ruling, he won't lose Medicare funding by not expanding (which option was already part of the law). So by definition, he will comply, though his compliance will be without full participation.


Really?

"Florida is not going to implement Obamacare. We are not going to expand Medicaid and we're not going to implement exchanges," Scott's spokesman Lane Wright told The Associated Press on Saturday. Wright stressed that the governor would work to make sure the law is repealed.

Seems you have been misinformed regarding Governor Scott's intentions. SCOTUS only said that he can't be punished for not expanding Medicaid. He must comply with the rest of the law, including setting up exchanges.
 
2012-07-01 11:30:57 AM  

Shaggy_C: pxsteel: The baby is sick allot, we realy need the healthcare.

Point was, move or not, you're already getting a pretty farking good deal. I'm surprised the ACA doesn't already cover you; as far as I can tell the only people who would risk having no healthcare and having to pay the penalty are solidly middle class.


In defense of Florida, the "Florida Kid's Care" insurance plan provides major medical/dental/vision for Floridians up to 18 YO. Premiums are on a sliding scale depending on income and range from about $10 per month to $120. Co-Pays are generally $0

Basically it's ObamaCare for kids, and it's been on the books in Fl for about 10 years. I'm not sure where the Obama butt-hurt is coming from other than he's black. I'm betting if you named it "RomneyCare", and wrapped it in the same package that it would be lauded as a brilliant plan.
 
2012-07-01 11:32:42 AM  

skipjack: Probably so...


Glad you agree the GOP's bloviating is little more than a dog and pony show for the morons who make up he base.

But you keep tilting at those liberal windmills, Mr. Quixote.
 
2012-07-01 11:36:32 AM  
What's amusing to me is that if GOP governors do as Rick Scott is threatening to do, and what Bachmann and DeMint are urging them to do, then the insurance exchanges in all those states will be created by the federal government, effectively expanding the role of the feds within their states. So the people who keep complaining about the size and power of the federal government would rather expand the its power than create their own insurance exchanges.
 
2012-07-01 11:38:30 AM  

Tor_Eckman: Wright stressed that the governor would work to make sure the law is repealed.


There's not a large population of seniors in Florida who would be adversely affected by the reinstatement of the donut hole or anything.
 
2012-07-01 11:43:35 AM  

DarwiOdrade: What's amusing to me is that if GOP governors do as Rick Scott is threatening to do, and what Bachmann and DeMint are urging them to do, then the insurance exchanges in all those states will be created by the federal government, effectively expanding the role of the feds within their states. So the people who keep complaining about the size and power of the federal government would rather expand the its power than create their own insurance exchanges.


It's so freaking asinine...

The Health Connector here in Massachusetts is amazingly easy to navigate and anyone who is living above the poverty line can find a plan to suit them easily.

We've got our health insurance through the Commonwealth and it's better in many ways than the plan we had through my wife's previous employer (I'm self-employed). First, it's cheaper. It has dental and eye coverage which our previously plan didn't even offer. And the prescription plan is amazing. I went from paying $50/ month for one of my medications (Advair) to paying $3.65/month.

This is why I'm laughing at all the Chicken Littles in these threads claiming the Republic as we know it is doomed.
 
2012-07-01 11:47:58 AM  

feckingmorons: If people want to be willfully ignorant and think a factual response to a nonsense headline is politically motivated there is nothing I can do about that. The state's can't lose Medicaid funding because they don't want to expand Medicaid. That is not a matter of opinion, it is the decision of the Supreme Court. It can be read at the link I provided above.



Somewhat wrong. The state cannot lose the amount of Medicaid funding currently allotted to it. However they can lose any additional funds for Medicaid which may be allotted in the future. So increases in future years so the state can maintain the current level of service would be in jeopardy. Considering the state in question is Florida that is a serious problem for them.
 
2012-07-01 11:48:01 AM  

skipjack: keylock71: skipjack: The law of the land says Florida can opt out.

/can't let facts get in the way of a good ole liberal derp session.

Want to bet that Florida ends up taken all the Federal money they can get their wrinkled, old arthritic hands on despite the gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair from the GOP?


GOP: Like petulant children who have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table to eat their broccoli.

Probably so...which has nothing to do with what I said.

The fact remains that Florida can opt out if they want because that's what the law of the land says. That's the fun of hook-line-sinker headlines on fark that snag liberals. It shows just how uninformed they really are and just how much partisan hackery they are willing to engage in to protect their precious meme's about what they believe.

/meme's like "petulant children who have to be dragged kicking and screaming"
//but i'm sure you aren't engaging in that sort of behavior at all.


Just so I'm clear, you're only saying that Florida can opt out of the Medicare expansion part, right?
 
2012-07-01 11:49:30 AM  

DarwiOdrade: What's amusing to me is that if GOP governors do as Rick Scott is threatening to do, and what Bachmann and DeMint are urging them to do, then the insurance exchanges in all those states will be created by the federal government, effectively expanding the role of the feds within their states. So the people who keep complaining about the size and power of the federal government would rather expand the its power than create their own insurance exchanges.


That's crazy talk! That's as crazy and impossible at happening like soneone protesting against government expanding and then in the next sentence demanding that the government controls what people do in their bedroom.
 
2012-07-01 11:51:59 AM  
No state is going to opt out of Obamacare. Every one of these Governors that are screaming about it and threatening to opt out are just throwing tantrums to get attention and are going to continue to do so until it is time for them to sign it into state law, which they will because they know it would be disastrous for them if they didn't.

Just imagine this situation. You have two family members, one living in a state that opted in and one not. Now before Obamacare was signed into law they used to call each other once or twice a month and during that call they would sometimes talk about all of their ailments and how crappy their health was. Now after the law is implemented during that call the one in a state that opted out starts talking about how crappy she feels, but the one in the state that implemented Obamacare starts talking about how she is feeling better because she now is able to regularly see a doctor, and because of that the doctor found a few things and prescribed her medicine that has her feeling much better. Now when the cousin in the state that opted out starts asking the other cousin how could she afford all of this, the other cousin tells her all she had to do was fill out some paper work with the board of health and she was all set. Now the cousin in the state that opted out decides she is going to go down to her board of health to get her healthcare set up so she can get her healthcare set up like her cousin did, but she is told that because the state opted out of Obamacare it isn't available to her. Now take this situation and multiply it a few million times and anyone can see how this will turn into disaster for the governors in the states that opted out.
 
2012-07-01 11:52:12 AM  

skipjack: The study you are referencing is rather old and cable/network news along with newspapers don't do a good job of informing their users. The most informed go seek information...unless you're liberal you seek confirmation bias.



What exactly does that mean? How exactly do you seek a bias?
 
2012-07-01 11:55:11 AM  

JK47: skipjack: The study you are referencing is rather old and cable/network news along with newspapers don't do a good job of informing their users. The most informed go seek information...unless you're liberal you seek confirmation bias.


What exactly does that mean? How exactly do you seek a bias?


Shhh - don't you know he's better infromed than you damn hippie libs!
 
2012-07-01 11:56:46 AM  
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2012-07-01 12:08:50 PM  

feckingmorons: Did you not see the part of the decision where the states don't have to expand Medicaid.


the medicaid expansion will take place with federal funding. States will get money above and beyond their state budgets to expand medicaid coverage.

if a state basically refuses to cover poor, uninsured people with free money from the federal government, they are monumentally stupid. Now, I realize that this is a possibility given the average intellect of today's registered republicans, but my guess is that they're going to be all talk for the next few months and then when the money comes in, they'll STFU. If they don't, they'll face the wrath of people who will have to pay a fine cuz they're uninsured, can't afford healthcare cuz they're poor, but are not covered under the expansion. that sounds like a small group, but it's not, and despite the propensity for florida derp to vote against their interests, it'll be a bit hard to do that when people realize they have a clothespin on each shoulder and are hanging from a line in the backyard on a sunny day.

they'll take the money, and expand medicaid. watch.
 
2012-07-01 12:13:29 PM  
Apparently the new repub plaint--I heard it from a repub Senator on Face the Nation this morning and from my hyper-conservative brother who's on the Talking Point Mailing List--is, "Why can't we eliminate the government and the insurance companies from the health care equation? Why can't people just deal with their doctors directly?" So, you know, when Bessie comes down with the croup you just call ol' Doc Johnson on the party line and he gets into his buggy and drops by with some ipecac and maybe some leeches if'n she needs bleedin'.Because the solution to all our problems is to go back a hundred years and if we just get rid of malpractice insurance doctors will be willing to do their jobs for a ten dollar gold piece and a basket full of eggs.
 
2012-07-01 12:13:59 PM  
Sure, Rick Scott will tell the derpers in Florida that he won't let the PPACA be enacted in the state. Then while he's doing that he'll be sending off the email to the state treasurer to go ahead and endorse that federal check for Medicaid.

The point is, Teatards, you've already shown you'll howl and moan about federal government money and states rights and then take the money anyway. The stimulus, remember? Jindal, Christie, Scott, Perry, they all moaned and b*tched about the stimulus package. Then they took the money anyway, and obeyed all the provisions with it.

It'll happen just like this with the PPACA, so let these idiots do whatever dick-dance they have to do to save face, and then wait about a month and enjoy your new benefits under PPACA in your derp state.
 
2012-07-01 12:14:45 PM  
I'm okay with red states refusing to comply - my state covers its citizens, and the idiots who voted in Republicans stay uninsured, so it doesn't come out of my pocket. There should be a cost for voting against one's own interests.
 
2012-07-01 12:16:45 PM  

bujin: I'm okay with red states refusing to comply - my state covers its citizens, and the idiots who voted in Republicans stay uninsured, so it doesn't come out of my pocket. There should be a cost for voting against one's own interests.


There is a cost for voting against your interests. It's called stagnant wages, outsourcing, higher debt to income ratio, and no healthcare coverage.
 
2012-07-01 12:17:52 PM  

verbaltoxin: bujin: I'm okay with red states refusing to comply - my state covers its citizens, and the idiots who voted in Republicans stay uninsured, so it doesn't come out of my pocket. There should be a cost for voting against one's own interests.

There is a cost for voting against your interests. It's called stagnant wages, outsourcing, higher debt to income ratio, and no healthcare coverage.


I.E., Republicans.
 
2012-07-01 12:20:24 PM  
Love how the Republitards in the thread are now pointing to nuisance changes from one point in time to the next but Obama lied in 2009 about taxes.

Republicans gonna derp.

Forever
 
2012-07-01 12:20:50 PM  
Add me into the "family making less than 40k total each year" group , yea go ahead and snicker. 2 kids, one 14 and "Autistic" (schizophrenic) to the point of being a danger to himself if left unsupervised. Both children are covered under medicare in Texas already. Which has been a huge stress reliever and the only reason we can even stay in this state (oldest ones medical bills range well past both our salaries).
This pisses some of you off, we know. You can wish for a Death Panel all you want to take my oldest son off the roster that is sucking your money away in Taxes, hey maybe you'll get lucky.

Now you can add my wife and I to that list in a few years, a fact that has surprised us as much as anybody. Forget anti-depressants (wouldn't you be?), I'm going to finally be able to get my Gal-Bladder taken out when I get my next attack from the gal-stones making it all fun and plugged up. Haven't been able to afford that in 13 years. It sure would be nice to get that problem taken care of instead of loading up on penicillin and painkillers while praying for death. Yay us.

Keep pushing on the republicans, i'm sure they can get some "death panels" to Fix Us up.
 
2012-07-01 12:23:27 PM  
Red States will refuse the money, which is good because they don't deserve it. Blue states will take care of their citizens, and continue to live in the civilized world, and finally get back what they pay into the government, while the south continues to slide further and further into an uninhabitable shiat-hole.
 
2012-07-01 12:23:38 PM  

feckingmorons: kingoomieiii: feckingmorons: Well the Court ruled that it was not the law of the land. Did you not read the decision subby?

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You just can't stop, can you?

Did you not see the part of the decision where the states don't have to expand Medicaid.


Liberals aren't the smartest people. Wait until they find out states don't have to implement the healthcare exchanges either. The law states both dont have to be implemented by states.
 
2012-07-01 12:24:33 PM  
randomjsa: I also think its funny that is the ruling that people decided was the end of freedom in this country. I said that about the change to imminent domain we got several years ago, also thanks to the liberals on the SCOTUS.

That would be "domain" that's likely to occur at any moment, right, genius?
 
2012-07-01 12:25:56 PM  

MyRandomName: Liberals aren't the smartest people.


Says the guy who is always right.
 
2012-07-01 12:34:45 PM  

Turbo Cojones: Gyrfalcon: you can COBRA your last job till you get a new one. Why would you NOT HAVE IT?? unless you couldn't get it?

COBRA from my last job would have cost $1,100 per month. I don't have a spare $1,100 per month..


Try buying COBRA with cancer as a preexisting condition. $1,800 per month with a $5,000 deductible, and that doesn't cover the meds. What's that? You can't afford $1,200 per month for meds? You shouldn't have chosen to get laid off. I'll never understand why our ability to get healthcare is tied to employment.
 
2012-07-01 12:34:58 PM  

microman: what are you smoking? The Federal Gov did not pony up all the money needed. You can't be that stupid? Or are you?


Surely you can provide some information to support this assertion?
 
2012-07-01 12:36:14 PM  

microman: Medicare, Medicaid, and SS all going bankrupt, says they are.


If only there was some way to prevent that...
 
2012-07-01 12:38:08 PM  
Why would any Republican gov. refuse to set up the insurance exchanges? They are intended to allow their citizens to shop around and get the best medical insurance available in their state, including private insurance. What a stupid thing to fight against.
 
2012-07-01 12:39:16 PM  

microman: Superjew: MyRandomName: Liberals aren't the smartest people.

Says the guy who is always right.

Medicare, Medicaid, and SS all going bankrupt, says they are.


Must be some of those Republican-only facts. Other people know better.
 
2012-07-01 12:40:20 PM  

RyogaM: Why would any Republican gov. refuse to set up the insurance exchanges? They are intended to allow their citizens to shop around and get the best medical insurance available in their state, including private insurance. What a stupid thing to fight against.


It's almost like they would rather act like spoiled children having a tantrum than serve the citizens who elected them. Whodathunkit?
 
2012-07-01 12:41:04 PM  

clambam: Apparently the new repub plaint--I heard it from a repub Senator on Face the Nation this morning and from my hyper-conservative brother who's on the Talking Point Mailing List--is, "Why can't we eliminate the government and the insurance companies from the health care equation? Why can't people just deal with their doctors directly?" So, you know, when Bessie comes down with the croup you just call ol' Doc Johnson on the party line and he gets into his buggy and drops by with some ipecac and maybe some leeches if'n she needs bleedin'.Because the solution to all our problems is to go back a hundred years and if we just get rid of malpractice insurance doctors will be willing to do their jobs for a ten dollar gold piece and a basket full of eggs.


Some Conservative pundit on CNN this morning was proposing health care base on a 1950's free market model. No joke.
 
2012-07-01 12:41:06 PM  

microman: Superjew: MyRandomName: Liberals aren't the smartest people.

Says the guy who is always right.

Medicare, Medicaid, and SS all going bankrupt, says they are.


They've been saying that since 1969. One of these days you'll be right about something. Keep trying.
 
2012-07-01 12:42:39 PM  

RyogaM: Why would any Republican gov. refuse to set up the insurance exchanges? They are intended to allow their citizens to shop around and get the best medical insurance available in their state, including private insurance. What a stupid thing to fight against.


Because people are going to like them. They hope to delay implementation until after the election in the vain hope they'll get that White House, House, Senate trifecta, and can repeal it.

What they're not seeing is that unless they abolish the filibuster at the outset of the next session, they can't repeal most of Obamacare without a Senate supermajority. The odds of that are pretty long.

Given their vehement defense of the filibuster in the past four years, I don't see them abolishing the filibuster either. Not that I think consistency of thought matters in the slightest to a Republican. But because I think they would fear the political blowback from such a baldy partisan move.
 
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