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2012-07-01 12:36:11 PM

Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


Again, I'm sure you have a long list of examples of such places you can share with us so we can all learn by their examples. Please post it.
 
2012-07-01 12:37:06 PM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

The fact you actually believe this makes me laugh and sad at the same time.

Um, it's the LAW ... Y'know, the one we're talking about?

Tell me, what can I expect if I (A) don't buy the state-mandated insurance plan, or any other one, and (B) refuse to pay the tax for not doing so, or (C) lie to the IRS about having insurance?


(A) What state-mandated plan? Where do I sign up?
(B) The same thing that happens when you refuse to pay the tax for not taking out a loan to buy a primary home.
(C) The same thing that happens when you lie to the IRS about having a mortgage
 
2012-07-01 12:39:07 PM

DarwiOdrade: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

Again, I'm sure you have a long list of examples of such places you can share with us so we can all learn by their examples. Please post it.


He won't.

Because only naive people think a world like that can exist. In reality, we realize that there are assholes in the world. And unless those assholes are kept in check, they will just take advantage of people and the people being taken advantage can do nothing about it since they've got very little to protect them.

People need to realize that we live in a SOCIETY and that we're all in this together. Unless you live in a shack in the Colorado mountains.

Actually, with the wildfires going on there, people are depending on (you guessed it), the government to put out those fires for them.
 
2012-07-01 12:44:13 PM

KiplingKat872: hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.

I marched in two of the protests against the the invasion of Iraq, had a political blog, albeit one that did not get much attention, speaking out against the Bush administration, and apologized to people in other countries when we could not defeat the massive derpitude running rampant in this country in 2004.

So even by your self-righteous standards, which seem to bypass that whole "free speech" thing, I have earned the right to speak in favor of this ruling.

Just because you sat on your arse for eight years, that doesn't mean we all did.


You did more than I did. With actions. Good for you, sincerely.
 
2012-07-01 12:45:29 PM

Lernaeus: KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.

And all the "little dictators" you are so scared of in a government bueraucracy? Try living in a place with an ineffectual government with warlords controlling the countryside.

No, thanks.

How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


How do you plan on doing that with no streets, state, or interstate highways?

If one of your shipping trucks gets hit by a drunk driver with no insurance, are you prepared to just eat that loss?

If your kid gets diptheria in school because vaccinations are not mandated, are you prepared to pay for their medical care out of pocket?

Do you have any idea what medical care costs in this country? You want to talk about "ruining one's life?" Trying paying for an operation and subsequent radiation/chemo treatments.

My sister and her husband both have well-paying jobs and are fully insured. She had a very rough delivery of their first child. She told me even with their insurance, it would take them a year to pay off the medical bills.

Now imagine a Walmart employee facing those bills with no insurance to help them.

That is a life ruined.
 
2012-07-01 12:48:12 PM

hinten: KiplingKat872: hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.

I marched in two of the protests against the the invasion of Iraq, had a political blog, albeit one that did not get much attention, speaking out against the Bush administration, and apologized to people in other countries when we could not defeat the massive derpitude running rampant in this country in 2004.

So even by your self-righteous standards, which seem to bypass that whole "free speech" thing, I have earned the right to speak in favor of this ruling.

Just because you sat on your arse for eight years, that doesn't mean we all did.

You did more than I did. With actions. Good for you, sincerely.


Pax. :)
 
2012-07-01 12:53:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

You mean fantasy?


He means Eldorado:

Up a seashell mountain,
Across a primrose sea,
To a jungle fountain
High up in a tree;
Then down a primrose mountain
Across a seashell sea
To a land of happy people
Just and kind and bold and free.
CHORUS: to Eldorado, to Eldorado.
They bathe each dawn in a golden lake,
Emeralds hang upon the vine.
All is there for all to take,
Food and god and books and wine.
They have no words for fear and greed,
For lies and war, revenge and rage.
They sing and dance and think and read.
They live in peace and die of age.
CHORUS: in Eldorado, in Eldorado.
 
2012-07-01 01:13:20 PM

Lorelle: born_yesterday: From what I understand, he's fairly certain God told him to do it. You know, because he's so righteous.

Oh, of course.

This puzzled me for a moment...

I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment .

...until I read the comments. Apparently he meant MRSA.

/won't be surprised to see that on Teabagger protest signs in the future


As someone who has been fighting "mercer" and just lost more foot to the bone infection that won't go away I would like to tell Mike Malzone that he is free to EABOD and DIAF.

Seriously, fark him in his stupid ass face. Fark him hard and go in dry.
 
2012-07-01 01:27:09 PM
That facebook page is on a post deletin' frenzy. Heh.
 
2012-07-01 01:34:21 PM

bgddy24601: Lorelle: born_yesterday: From what I understand, he's fairly certain God told him to do it. You know, because he's so righteous.

Oh, of course.

This puzzled me for a moment...

I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment .

...until I read the comments. Apparently he meant MRSA.

/won't be surprised to see that on Teabagger protest signs in the future

As someone who has been fighting "mercer" and just lost more foot to the bone infection that won't go away I would like to tell Mike Malzone that he is free to EABOD and DIAF.

Seriously, fark him in his stupid ass face. Fark him hard and go in dry.


Damn. I hope things go better for you soon.
 
2012-07-01 01:43:32 PM

Lernaeus: KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.

And all the "little dictators" you are so scared of in a government bueraucracy? Try living in a place with an ineffectual government with warlords controlling the countryside.

No, thanks.

How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


Now I know you are probably typing furiously to your facebook pals about us socialist libtards over here on Fark that love big government, but let me disabuse you of some notions you have.

You are correct that there are some corrupt, villainous scum inhabiting our government. We get that. Most of us call them Republicans.

Liberals (at least the ones I know) do not love "big" government. But we also do not have a raging hardon for "small" government either. We would like effective government. The size is not relevant. "Small" government gave us things like slavery, segregation, the great depression, and the almost second great depression. Bigger government gave us things like social security, medicare, clean food and water and air, electricity, the internet, civil rights laws, an interstate highway system, a space program, etc. Prohibition of both alcohol and drugs are two examples where bigger government has overreached, but I'd say in general the balance sheet overwhelmingly favors more regulation (bigger govt) over less (smaller govt).

I hope this helps you understand reality a little bit better.
 
2012-07-01 01:53:40 PM

Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


Where the sun is always shining and the air smells like warm root beer?
And the towels are oh so fluffy?
Where the shriners and the lepers play their ukuleles all day long?
And anyone on the street will glady shave your back for a nickel?

/wacka wacka doodoo yeah
 
2012-07-01 02:02:53 PM

bgddy24601: As someone who has been fighting "mercer" and just lost more foot to the bone infection that won't go away I would like to tell Mike Malzone that he is free to EABOD and DIAF.


I am so sorry to hear that. :(

/not the EABOD and DIAF part, though
 
2012-07-01 02:21:05 PM

Tor_Eckman: "Small" government gave us things like slavery, segregation, the great depression, and the almost second great depression.


Not to mention the recent deluge of laws against gay rights ("Small government" intruding into the Equal Protection Clause) and abortion ("Small government" intruding into Roe v. Wade).
 
2012-07-01 02:24:27 PM
Don't worry folks, fostering hyperbolic, vitriolic rhetoric is just harmless politics. There's no way it could result in people becoming so deranged that they actually start believing that health care reform is on par with a brutal, repressive regime taking over our government.

People are too smart to fall for that.
 
2012-07-01 02:24:43 PM
Well if they do at least now they wouldn't have to worry about being denied coverage, and dying without any recourse.

Just sayin

Hypnozombie
 
2012-07-01 02:43:54 PM

Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


That was the idea

Fluorescent Testicle: Not to mention the recent deluge of laws against gay rights ("Small government" intruding into the Equal Protection Clause) and abortion ("Small government" intruding into Roe v. Wade).


Big government is responsible for the erosion of gay rights. Think about it. Without a vast and expansive tax code full of preferences and penalties for various groups, there is no reason for the state to define marriage. Two people can walk into a courthouse and merge property, assets as well as willing assets to each other upon death. If everyone paid a percentage of their income regardless of whether or not they had a mortgage, kids, spouse, student loan, or solar panels on their freaking roof then gay marriage wouldn't be an issue. Of course, this also involves the government getting out of the way of private transactions such as companies hiring individuals and their selection of healthcare.

Jorn the Younger: Medical treatment is a finite resource?

Is that really the argument we're going with now?


The Medical industry, like all others is constrained by the means people have to afford the services. With the already sick now covered, lifetime coverage caps lifted and more services offered by fiat, there had better be an injection of capital into the healthcare market to offset the inevitable cost increases. You can either:

-Raise taxes/costs on the young and healthy to pay for the unwell
- print money and pay doctors with it,
- borrow money and pay doctors with it
-ration care
-de-fund other areas of healthcare like research and device manufacture.
- Or the de-factor raise taxes on the 1% which seems to be the progressive solution for everything.

If I missed something, feel free to correct.
 
2012-07-01 03:03:02 PM

o5iiawah: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

That was the idea


Oh good - Lernaeus wasn't able to come up with any such place so that we could learn by their example, so he ran away. I'm sure you have an extensive list of such places you can share with us. We're all eagerly waiting.
 
2012-07-01 03:05:09 PM

DarwiOdrade: o5iiawah: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

That was the idea

Oh good - Lernaeus wasn't able to come up with any such place so that we could learn by their example, so he ran away. I'm sure you have an extensive list of such places you can share with us. We're all eagerly waiting.


i2.listal.com
 
2012-07-01 03:07:42 PM
These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.
 
2012-07-01 03:11:28 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.


Not going to ignore you, we'll keep working you until you realize that BSAB but one side is worse. The GOP doesn't have to be. They chose to be. Even your own called it:

2.bp.blogspot.com

And until the GOP electorate stops following the party of the reactionary cliff of shiat REAGAN wouldn't approve of 30 years ago, you get stereotyped because you have almost no moderates left in the party.

You have.... f*cking David Frum. THAT's IT. And sometimes George Will.
 
2012-07-01 03:39:59 PM

o5iiawah: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

That was the idea

Fluorescent Testicle: Not to mention the recent deluge of laws against gay rights ("Small government" intruding into the Equal Protection Clause) and abortion ("Small government" intruding into Roe v. Wade).

Big government is responsible for the erosion of gay rights. Think about it. Without a vast and expansive tax code full of preferences and penalties for various groups, there is no reason for the state to define marriage. Two people can walk into a courthouse and merge property, assets as well as willing assets to each other upon death. If everyone paid a percentage of their income regardless of whether or not they had a mortgage, kids, spouse, student loan, or solar panels on their freaking roof then gay marriage wouldn't be an issue. Of course, this also involves the government getting out of the way of private transactions such as companies hiring individuals and their selection of healthcare.

Jorn the Younger: Medical treatment is a finite resource?

Is that really the argument we're going with now?

The Medical industry, like all others is constrained by the means people have to afford the services. With the already sick now covered, lifetime coverage caps lifted and more services offered by fiat, there had better be an injection of capital into the healthcare market to offset the inevitable cost increases. You can either:

-Raise taxes/costs on the young and healthy to pay for the unwell
- print money and pay doctors with it,
- borrow money and pay doctors with it
-ration care
-de-fund other areas of healthcare like research and device manufacture.
- Or the de-factor raise taxes on the 1% which seems to be the progressive solution for everything.

If I missed something, feel free to correct.


But the other side of your first argument is to eliminate the civil rights act and any anti-discrimination laws. A business owner can refuse to hire or serve someone based on their sexual orientation, religion, or skin tone. Without "big government," a lot of places would still become "WASP Heteros Only, Men First."

I think that getting the government out of marriage is an idea worth exploring, though a host of new laws would have to be implemented to cover child custody and property rights, etc.

But "big government" protects the rights of minorities when the "free market" won't.

And medical services are constrained by the cost of those services. Do you think MRI's are cheap? Surgeons could cost less to train if we had 100% state funded universities, but we don't so they cost about $100,000 to $150,000.

So it's not simply a matter of "what the market will bear."

The problem with the system we have is the amount of money that is eaten up insurance administrative costs, something this law addressed.
 
2012-07-01 03:51:32 PM

Hobodeluxe: Relatively Obscure: He deleted his old post and replaced it with this:

At this time I am publicly retracting the statements I made concerning the Supreme Court in the wake of their verdict regarding health care.
I am retracting them because they do not reflect my true feelings about the Supreme Court Justices. They were made in the heat of the moment fueled by anger and frustration. I vented my anger without thinking and the result were hurtful remarks which I didn't believe then and don't believe now. I do not wish anything bad on the Supreme Court Justices or anyone else and never have. I deeply regret my inability to properly convey my frustration or control my anger. My behavior was wrong and inexcusable. I take 100% responsibility for my actions and realize I am accountable for them.
I believe the Supreme Court's verdict was incorrect and will bestow excessive taxation and hardship to millions of Americans but instead of explaining why they were wrong, I through my thoughtless statements, provided fodder for those who oppose the Tea Party. My words were mine alone and in no way representative of the Tea Party. I deeply regret that my actions will be used to attack individuals who work so hard to ensure that the values of the framers of the constitution continue to be adhered to and followed. The members of the Tea Party are thoughtful caring individuals I am sorry that my thoughtless words are being used to weave everyone one together but I am sure we will persevere because the Tea Party Message is consistent with the visions of the founders of our country.
This is my final statement on the issue. You can't unring a bell and I will move forward. I am humbled and have learned a valuable lesson. In the future I will use better judgment and will continue to work hard to preserve the values and principles of our constitution.

Michael Malzone
Merrimack NH


Well, it's not the worst political apology I've read, anyway.

I'm guessing his lawyer typed that up for him ...


Oh, wow. Yeah, it doesn't take a literary critic to tell that the person who wrote the first one did not write the second.
 
2012-07-01 03:55:46 PM
That's another point too: The government protects children through laws against abuse and child labor.

The government is not perfect, the people in it are far from perfect, but I would far rather have the government we have involved then have the decriminatory, uncaring, dog eat dog world libertarians suggest.
 
2012-07-01 03:57:11 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.


You say "of late" yet I have been a regular here for the past four years and I don't remember ever seeing you before the last few days.

Why is that?
 
2012-07-01 04:00:35 PM

KiplingKat872: Damn. I hope things go better for you soon.


Lorelle: I am so sorry to hear that. :(


Thanks. It has been a rough few years. Coma and about 15 surgeries now. I was told recently that I have now lost enough foot that reconstruction surgery is next in line, once we are sure that the infection has been fully cut out. Of course, Percocet helps :P

I have taken to calling it my Civil War Weight Loss Program. Of course I have been pumped so full of meds and antibiotics that I am now bloated to over 100 lbs heavier than I ever had been. It is tough to work out when you can't use your legs and you keep getting nauseous.

I miss scotch.
 
2012-07-01 04:07:06 PM

Tor_Eckman: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.

You say "of late" yet I have been a regular here for the past four years and I don't remember ever seeing you before the last few days.

Why is that?


I lurk more than post, generally. You'll usually find me in deer hunting threads--which, IMHO, there aren't nearly enough of.
 
2012-07-01 04:20:26 PM

parkthebus: Tor_Eckman: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.

You say "of late" yet I have been a regular here for the past four years and I don't remember ever seeing you before the last few days.

Why is that?

I lurk more than post, generally. You'll usually find me in deer hunting threads--which, IMHO, there aren't nearly enough of.


I hope you add something of value to those threads. You just spew the same old debunked, right-wing nutjob derp over here.

Feel free to add me to your list now.
 
2012-07-01 04:41:05 PM
These threads are the best way to separate the decent human beings from the scum who don't give a shiat about their fellow man.
 
2012-07-01 04:42:18 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to.


You're certainly welcome to provide examples when they are not doing one of those 3 things you mentioned.

I'm guessing you can't, though.
 
2012-07-01 04:46:23 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.


When all we hear from your side is how they keep trying to treat women, homosexuals, minorities, and the poor and homeless as sub-human, throwing science and history out of school in favor of creationism and Bible study, and wanting to turn America into a Christian theocracy, what else are we supposed to think?

Maybe not all Republicans are insane, but the ones who are have the voice and power. Maybe you and your more-sane comrades should do something about them.
 
2012-07-01 04:55:14 PM

whidbey: You're certainly welcome to provide examples when they are not doing one of those 3 things you mentioned.


To be fair, sometimes they sleep for a few hours.
 
2012-07-01 05:00:19 PM

Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.


Do you already have health insurance?

Then you're NOT BEING FORCED to do anything, are you?

And if you don't, then why have you not opted to do so before now?
 
2012-07-01 05:06:55 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Do you already have health insurance?

Then you're NOT BEING FORCED to do anything, are you?

And if you don't, then why have you not opted to do so before now?


I'm guessing it's because although health care isn't a right, he HAS the right to make the system more expensive for everyone else. Because that's freedom, buddy.

It's MY choice to be an uninsured f*ck-up.

*Red White And Blue Eagle Fireworks*
 
2012-07-01 05:35:20 PM

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Do you already have health insurance?

Then you're NOT BEING FORCED to do anything, are you?

And if you don't, then why have you not opted to do so before now?

I'm guessing it's because although health care isn't a right, he HAS the right to make the system more expensive for everyone else. Because that's freedom, buddy.

It's MY choice to be an uninsured f*ck-up.

*Red White And Blue Eagle Fireworks*


Oh, right. My bad.

Sparkly eagle w/tear.
 
2012-07-01 06:20:37 PM

wyltoknow: With regards to wishing cancer on members of the nation's highest court, Malzone told the Patch that he's not a hateful person

i think I would respect these hideous human beings more if they could at least just own up to their own crap. Look buddy, it's right there in black-and-white. You wished colon cancer on people. This is not the wish of a sane, logical, loving man. It is a hateful, spiteful thing to say. You god damn coward.


And Julianne Malveaux wished Clarence Thomas a speedy death from heart disease. Nina Totenberg thought retributive justice for Jesse Helms would be for him to contract AIDS. Ed Schultz wished Rush Limbaugh would be taken by the Lord. Sean Penn hoped his critics would die screaming from rectal cancer. Dan Savage, gay sex advice columnist, wished Republicans "were all f**king dead". Welcome to modern American political debate.
 
2012-07-01 07:03:12 PM
Here is the latest Trump-Koch Borthers propaganda that's making it around the Facebook walls of the pants-on-the-head retarded regressives I know:

farm8.staticflickr.com

When i see shiat like this it shows that the person posting it has a fundamental lack of understanding that the PPACA was passed so we could go from a country with no healthcare system except for the elderly, veterans and workers with good benefits to a country that has KIND of a healthcare system.

Respondig with the Politifact debunking of this lie usually does no good but here it is anyway:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/11/chain -e mail/64000-question-e-mail-says-congress-exempt-health-/

Nobody is exempted from the "Health Care Reform Plan". It AMAZES me that so many red-staters firmly believe that PPACA created some evil-shadowy government health-plan that evrybody will be forced to join.

When I point out that the PPACA simply says that if you can afford to buy PRIVATE health insurance then you have to buy it. This was the Republican "personal responsibility" Mandate idea to eliminate free-riders that that the Republicans were pushing until the exact second that Obama supported it. Then it became an EEEEVIL gub'mint take over of the health-care system.

Maybe if a few states go single-payer the rest of the country will start to see that is the better way to go.

If ll else fails I like responding with this baby:

farm9.staticflickr.com

And I never get tired of this one as well:

farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-01 07:12:19 PM

acefox1: Here is the latest Trump-Koch Borthers propaganda that's making it around the Facebook walls of the pants-on-the-head retarded regressives I know:

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x524]

When i see shiat like this it shows that the person posting it has a fundamental lack of understanding that the PPACA was passed so we could go from a country with no healthcare system except for the elderly, veterans and workers with good benefits to a country that has KIND of a healthcare system.

Respondig with the Politifact debunking of this lie usually does no good but here it is anyway:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/11/chain -e mail/64000-question-e-mail-says-congress-exempt-health-/

Nobody is exempted from the "Health Care Reform Plan". It AMAZES me that so many red-staters firmly believe that PPACA created some evil-shadowy government health-plan that evrybody will be forced to join.

When I point out that the PPACA simply says that if you can afford to buy PRIVATE health insurance then you have to buy it. This was the Republican "personal responsibility" Mandate idea to eliminate free-riders that that the Republicans were pushing until the exact second that Obama supported it. Then it became an EEEEVIL gub'mint take over of the health-care system.

Maybe if a few states go single-payer the rest of the country will start to see that is the better way to go.

If ll else fails I like responding with this baby:

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 320x240]

And I never get tired of this one as well:

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 500x500]


I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that there are people out there who don't want health insurance. WHY THE F*CK NOT?!?!?
 
2012-07-01 07:37:34 PM
Keizer_Ghidorah:

Maybe not all Republicans are insane, but the ones who are have the voice and power. Maybe you and your more-sane comrades should do something about them.

Therein lies the problem. Either side can trot out crazies which represent a tiny percentage of our respective political sides. The media, of course, puts this stuff out front and center and we eat it up and spit it back righteously on threads like this. I suppose it's just plain poetic that we see this constantly on Fark threads. It fits in pretty darn well with the reason why this website started in the first place.

If any of us (either side) had a lick of sense we'd knock off the sterotyping and be a lot more understanding and civil.
 
2012-07-01 07:43:32 PM

parkthebus: Keizer_Ghidorah:

Maybe not all Republicans are insane, but the ones who are have the voice and power. Maybe you and your more-sane comrades should do something about them.

Therein lies the problem. Either side can trot out crazies which represent a tiny percentage of our respective political sides. The media, of course, puts this stuff out front and center and we eat it up and spit it back righteously on threads like this. I suppose it's just plain poetic that we see this constantly on Fark threads. It fits in pretty darn well with the reason why this website started in the first place.

If any of us (either side) had a lick of sense we'd knock off the sterotyping and be a lot more understanding and civil.


Except your "crazies" are the primary drivers of your party. They are not just front, they are center. Voted into power by a constituency that is either as crazy as they are, or blind "straight ticket" sheep. Either one or the other. No true classic small government, fiscal conservative wants anything to do with the Republican Party anymore.
 
2012-07-01 07:44:37 PM

Gyrfalcon: acefox1: Here is the latest Trump-Koch Borthers propaganda that's making it around the Facebook walls of the pants-on-the-head retarded regressives I know:

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x524]

When i see shiat like this it shows that the person posting it has a fundamental lack of understanding that the PPACA was passed so we could go from a country with no healthcare system except for the elderly, veterans and workers with good benefits to a country that has KIND of a healthcare system.

Respondig with the Politifact debunking of this lie usually does no good but here it is anyway:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/11/chain -e mail/64000-question-e-mail-says-congress-exempt-health-/

Nobody is exempted from the "Health Care Reform Plan". It AMAZES me that so many red-staters firmly believe that PPACA created some evil-shadowy government health-plan that evrybody will be forced to join.

When I point out that the PPACA simply says that if you can afford to buy PRIVATE health insurance then you have to buy it. This was the Republican "personal responsibility" Mandate idea to eliminate free-riders that that the Republicans were pushing until the exact second that Obama supported it. Then it became an EEEEVIL gub'mint take over of the health-care system.

Maybe if a few states go single-payer the rest of the country will start to see that is the better way to go.

If ll else fails I like responding with this baby:

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 320x240]

And I never get tired of this one as well:

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 500x500]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that there are people out there who don't want health insurance. WHY THE F*CK NOT?!?!?


Because it's GOVERNMENT!!, and GOVERNMENT!! is evil! Plus it's DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL GOVERNMENT!!, so it's trying to destroy them and all they hold dear! And it benefits everybody, not just and only them, so it's TERRIBLE!! "I have to pay small amounts of money so my fellow Americans can stay safe and healthy?! EVIL LIBERALS SUCKING ME DRY AND LETTING ALL THE LAZY FREELOADERS LIVE OFF MY HARD-EARNED CASH!!!!"

"Uh, your side proposed the exact same thing a few years ago-"

EEEEEEEEEVIL DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AFTER MY MONEY!!!1!1one!!1"
 
2012-07-01 07:47:18 PM

parkthebus: Keizer_Ghidorah:

Maybe not all Republicans are insane, but the ones who are have the voice and power. Maybe you and your more-sane comrades should do something about them.

Therein lies the problem. Either side can trot out crazies which represent a tiny percentage of our respective political sides. The media, of course, puts this stuff out front and center and we eat it up and spit it back righteously on threads like this. I suppose it's just plain poetic that we see this constantly on Fark threads. It fits in pretty darn well with the reason why this website started in the first place.

If any of us (either side) had a lick of sense we'd knock off the sterotyping and be a lot more understanding and civil.


Here's the difference: liberals generally try to keep their crazies sat down and shut up. Conservatives vote them into positions of power and cheer for them.
 
2012-07-01 09:07:39 PM

Kevin72: My mother died of colon cancer when I was 15, so it really hurts that there exists a person so low as to wish colon cancer on anyone, let alone people who are championing the very health care that could give early detection to colon cancer.


Speaking as someone whom:

a) Has had several family members with colon cancer, one of whom died of it before I was ever born
b) Has had precancerous polyps removed (fortunately before they got to the point of frank colon cancer) thanks to discovery on a colonoscopy
c) Pretty much has explicitly told my gastroenterologist that I was very reluctant to get genetic screening for what is (very probably) Lynch syndrome until I was sure Obamacare would pass Supreme Court muster AND that the part banning insurance companies from dropping you for "pre-existing conditions" stayed intact (so I could at least keep getting the colonoscopies)...
d) Has had similar conversations with other doctors about screening for genes linked to hereditary diabetes syndromes (affecting pretty much my entire maternal side of the family and including cases of adult-onset type I--in our case, it's not on account of being fatty-boombaladdys, the adult-onset type I diabetics in the family tend to be the skinny ones) due to similar fear of losing coverage if/when my genetics rolled snake eyes
e) Having spent the last week in the farking hospital with my significant other whom was quite ill with an infection that there was a real concern could have been MRSA
f) Still has this worry in the back of my head that someday the insurance might not want to pay for $200 of asthma meds a month, even if it keeps me from paying about as much in doctor's visits and other prescriptions monthly

...let's just say this is one of the times I hope that the Wiccans are right about there being some threefold law where everything you wish to someone (positive or negative) comes back three times. :P

As for me...ironically, I found out that Obamacare has passed constitutional muster just after getting out of the gastroenterologist and upon visiting the SO in the hospital right across the walkway...I literally wept with happy because that took a very, very serious load off my mind.

/And as to y'all who think I should be bootstrappy...Show me where I can get a genetic engineering kit and/or the ability to choose my parents' genetics prior to conception, and we'll work on that bootstrappy. :D Otherwise, keep farking that chicken, because pretty much all of the medical Damocles' swords that hang over my head are the result of genetic diseases I can't really do Jack and Shiat about other than preventative screening, living as if I HAD the conditions (for the shiat that hasn't yet manifested), and paying a usurious amount a month for medications that allow me to breathe and keep me out of the emergency room.
//Have I mentioned that pretty much I always spend a goodly chunk of the year in a lovely deductible hole where I pay the full cost of medical crap despite having insurance?
///And thank goodness I have insurance through the SO; I suspect just from the asthma alone I'd be considered uninsurable pre-Obamacare
////2014 Cannot. Come. Fast. Enough
 
2012-07-01 10:01:59 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Because it's GOVERNMENT!!, and GOVERNMENT!! is evil! Plus it's DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL GOVERNMENT!!, so it's trying to destroy them and all they hold dear! And it benefits everybody, not just and only them, so it's TERRIBLE!! "I have to pay small amounts of money so my fellow Americans can stay safe and healthy?! EVIL LIBERALS SUCKING ME DRY AND LETTING ALL THE LAZY FREELOADERS LIVE OFF MY HARD-EARNED CASH!!!!"

"Uh, your side proposed the exact same thing a few years ago-"

EEEEEEEEEVIL DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AFTER MY MONEY!!!1!1one!!1"



Oh, okay. I knew there was a rational reason.

/+ one, still giggling.
 
2012-07-01 10:02:36 PM

jjorsett: wyltoknow: With regards to wishing cancer on members of the nation's highest court, Malzone told the Patch that he's not a hateful person

i think I would respect these hideous human beings more if they could at least just own up to their own crap. Look buddy, it's right there in black-and-white. You wished colon cancer on people. This is not the wish of a sane, logical, loving man. It is a hateful, spiteful thing to say. You god damn coward.

And Julianne Malveaux wished Clarence Thomas a speedy death from heart disease. Nina Totenberg thought retributive justice for Jesse Helms would be for him to contract AIDS. Ed Schultz wished Rush Limbaugh would be taken by the Lord. Sean Penn hoped his critics would die screaming from rectal cancer. Dan Savage, gay sex advice columnist, wished Republicans "were all f**king dead". Welcome to modern American political debate.


Translation: Our good, christian, republican hatred of everyone else is justified! Yours isn't!
 
2012-07-01 10:03:57 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to.


Ok, then where are the non-evil, not-racist and non-stupid Republicans? Degree of difficulty: in elected office, voting on laws and actually making a difference. You personally might be a great person but the people you're electing to office are lunatics.

If that puts me on your ignore list? I'll just have to muddle through somehow.
 
2012-07-01 11:49:44 PM

The Why Not Guy: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to.

Ok, then where are the non-evil, not-racist and non-stupid Republicans? Degree of difficulty: in elected office, voting on laws and actually making a difference. You personally might be a great person but the people you're electing to office are lunatics.


Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention to national politicians to create a bibliography for you. I know a few local (non-lunatic) Republicans in small offices, whom I've worked with in jobs that were unrelated to politics--but I don't think anyone outside of my immediate geographical area would know who they are. It is the broad-brushing I object too. The constant evil/racist/stupid refrain is no different than any other ignorant stereotype.
 
2012-07-02 12:22:42 AM

coeyagi: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.

Not going to ignore you, we'll keep working you until you realize that BSAB but one side is worse. The GOP doesn't have to be. They chose to be. Even your own called it:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]

And until the GOP electorate stops following the party of the reactionary cliff of shiat REAGAN wouldn't approve of 30 years ago, you get stereotyped because you have almost no moderates left in the party.

You have.... f*cking David Frum. THAT's IT. And sometimes George Will.


I like that Goldwater quote, but it only tells half the story. It's not just that the religious cannot compromise. The Church is interested in maintaining the status quo. When they're in charge, they like to keep things that way, and progress is squelched. Remember the Dark Ages? That's what happens when the Church runs things. It was only when people started learning and exploring on their own, against the will of the Church, that we moved towards Enlighenment.

Because the Church is the Christian church*and Christianity is a slave religion. Put up with your miserable lot in life, working not for your own benefit but for the benefit of your masters, and you'll be rewarded with a paradise after you die. (No, really, we promise. No, we can't prove it. Believe it anyway) and that really only works when people are dumb, scared, and miserable. And this is why we have seen the Republican party become, under the influence of the religious, not Conservative but Regressive. They want to drag this country backwards, back to a time when the Church had more power.

That shouldn't be allowed to happen. America isn't perfect, but all things considered, it's pretty awesome. But to remain awesome, it needs to be able to adapt to an ever changing world. If the Church runs things, it wont- it will stagnate and die.

I'm not anti-conservative. Conservatives serve as an important balance against Progressives, to ensure that growth happens at a managed pace, at a rate people can handle. I'm anti-regressive.

And many who call themselves Republicans complain about being painted with the brush of derpitude, who maintain that not all Republicans are like that. Yes they are. If you're not like the rest of them, you're not a Republican anymore, the party left you behind on its march to far right extremest regressivism, but since you're all caught up in the team sport that Politics has devolved into, you can't imagine that you now have more in common philosophically and politically with Moderate Democrats because they're the "other team" or even the "bad guys"

Governing is not a team sport, and when it's treated like one, when politicians "play to win" everybody loses.

*though in other parts of the world it's the Islamic church, which is basically the same thing, with different window dressing and less subtle brainwashing techniques

/Sorry, kind of went off on a bit of a rant there
 
2012-07-02 12:25:03 AM

parkthebus: The Why Not Guy: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to.

Ok, then where are the non-evil, not-racist and non-stupid Republicans? Degree of difficulty: in elected office, voting on laws and actually making a difference. You personally might be a great person but the people you're electing to office are lunatics.

Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention to national politicians to create a bibliography for you. I know a few local (non-lunatic) Republicans in small offices, whom I've worked with in jobs that were unrelated to politics--but I don't think anyone outside of my immediate geographical area would know who they are. It is the broad-brushing I object too. The constant evil/racist/stupid refrain is no different than any other ignorant stereotype.


Here's a thought: Pay more attention to what the voice of the modern Republican party is saying, and consider maybe you're not a Republican anymore.
 
2012-07-02 12:46:51 AM
[creeps into thread to /tailhug bgddy24601 and Great Porn Dragon]

[creeps back out]
 
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