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2012-07-01 09:36:46 AM

rudemix: What bothers me more than this turd, who holds some position of authority in his derp club, are the hundreds or thousands of people also in that club so bereft of intelligence and critical thinking skills that would say "this guy, he represents me perfectly!' Anyone who reads this guy's writing can tell that if given the chance to lead it all would be a tyrant to rival the worst. If you think this guy wouldn't grudge fark everyone he disagreed with ideologically you aren't thinking.


The Right has the amazing ability to protest something and claiming the other side will do while they welcome that same thing they protest into their side with open arms.
 
2012-07-01 09:37:38 AM

hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.


Who are you talking to, exactly?
 
2012-07-01 10:12:53 AM

keylock71: o5iiawah: themindiswatching: As someone who's had family members die from cancer, fark you.

You're probably going to be one of the first people to try a work-around when the board denies you treatment.

Every country which operates with some sort of social medicine structure has rationing panels. Lets face it, your 84 year old mom who just got diagnosed with cancer just isn't worth it. But OMG. Death Panels!!

You idiots are hilarious with your uninformed rants and paranoid delusions.

The funny part is, it's unhinged whackadoos, like yourself, that are going to hand this election to Obama.

That's the great thing about the freedom of speech... It permits the mental midgets amongst us to make themselves well-known and easy to identify. Smart men, those Founding Fathers.


*AHEM*

They prefer the term "mental little people".
 
2012-07-01 10:14:27 AM

Lernaeus: apoptotic: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

You misunderstand. When liberals refer to teabaggers suffering from butthurt, we're talking about the consequence of their rectocranial inversion.

But I don't get it ...

This legislation was passed in the sleaziest way possible: greased with lies about there bring no tax penalties, and behind a flimsy cover of a budget bill, and defended tooth and nail as a "commerce clause power," despite incredible opposition.

The defense tactic didn't work out, and SCOTUS made the President and Congress look like a pack of liars and/or completely incompetent, and basically demolished the legitimacy of all three branches of government, not to mention the Constution and, in effect, *hundreds* of years if contract law (after all, if contracts are now subject to legislative compulsion, then contracts - i.e. voluntary agreements - have no legal protection, as they are now at the mercy of political whim).

This is Cheney-level corruption and a PATRIOT Act-like rights violation sold with promises of cheap health care (instead of national security) by people who have demonstrated less trustworthiness than a liquor store patron wearing a ski mask, and people are *gloating* about this being some kind of victory.

This is truly a surreal time we live in.


Yup, you're right.

You don't get it.

NEXT!
 
2012-07-01 10:46:58 AM

Sabyen91: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

You are dumb as a brick..


How?

Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Explain to me how they're totally telling the truth this time when they swear this program will remain affordable, despite the fact that every other "we swear, it'll only cost you a little!" promise made since 1913 has been broken, shredded, set on fire, and dissolved in acid.

You know who's dumb as a brick?

People that trust the government and believe what these non-entity politicians say; that's who.

Sabyen91: I am not sure how you enjoy anything


There are lots of things I enjoy. I like reading, playing in my band, making show posters, teaching music theory, building websites, watching cult movies, making pretty girls laugh, micro-brew beers, smart TV shows, designing music instruments and accessories, and so on.

Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.
 
2012-07-01 10:48:59 AM

Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.


Because you've done it before.
 
2012-07-01 10:50:45 AM

Lernaeus: Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.


This 'fact', and many others you posted, are lies.
 
2012-07-01 10:55:54 AM

hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.


I marched in two of the protests against the the invasion of Iraq, had a political blog, albeit one that did not get much attention, speaking out against the Bush administration, and apologized to people in other countries when we could not defeat the massive derpitude running rampant in this country in 2004.

So even by your self-righteous standards, which seem to bypass that whole "free speech" thing, I have earned the right to speak in favor of this ruling.

Just because you sat on your arse for eight years, that doesn't mean we all did.
 
2012-07-01 11:00:40 AM

KiplingKat872: hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.

I marched in two of the protests against the the invasion of Iraq, had a political blog, albeit one that did not get much attention, speaking out against the Bush administration, and apologized to people in other countries when we could not defeat the massive derpitude running rampant in this country in 2004.

So even by your self-righteous standards, which seem to bypass that whole "free speech" thing, I have earned the right to speak in favor of this ruling.

Just because you sat on your arse for eight years, that doesn't mean we all did.


I did the same. I was in the Peace Corps RIGHT after 9/11, realizing it was as important as everything else to let the world know that American people != American government.
 
2012-07-01 11:01:13 AM

Lernaeus: Sabyen91: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

You are dumb as a brick..

How?

Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Explain to me how they're totally telling the truth this time when they swear this program will remain affordable, despite the fact that every other "we swear, it'll only cost you a little!" promise made since 1913 has been broken, shredded, set on fire, and dissolved in acid.

You know who's dumb as a brick?

People that trust the government and believe what these non-entity politicians say; that's who.

Sabyen91: I am not sure how you enjoy anything

There are lots of things I enjoy. I like reading, playing in my band, making show posters, teaching music theory, building websites, watching cult movies, making pretty girls laugh, micro-brew beers, smart TV shows, designing music instruments and accessories, and so on.

Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.


Trust the government to do what exactly?

This is not government run healthcare.
 
2012-07-01 11:05:11 AM

Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.


If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.
 
2012-07-01 11:07:00 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: libertarian paradise


Man if that isn't an oxymoron, I don't know what is.
 
2012-07-01 11:07:26 AM

MorrisBird: Mercer?


I saw that too. I can only assume he means MRSA.
 
2012-07-01 11:28:56 AM

Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.


Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.
 
2012-07-01 11:32:34 AM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.


I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian
 
2012-07-01 11:38:18 AM
it looks like he's dilating and about to drop a monster Turd.
 
2012-07-01 11:39:24 AM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.


Do you wear a seatbelt? When someone runs into your car, are you glad they have insurance? Are you glad that you have a police force and fire departments? Did you attend public school? If you live in a city, your taxes also pay for waste disposal, both trash and sewage. Taxes also help build water treatment plants and power stations. If you live in the country, taxes paid for rural electrification so you can be on your computer whinging about the government now. Back in the 1940's taxes built (but did not run) county hospitals around the nation, ensuring everyone was in physical reach of adequate healthcare, so if, like me, you were born in one you can thank the governmemt.
 
2012-07-01 11:48:53 AM

hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.


Quite a few of us were around, pointing out how flawed the logic in the war was, how crooked Florida politics was, and how criminal Cheney was and what the hell happened to America. Along with the usual mockery of stupidity everywhere in America. I don't know why this matters to you, but you asked. Seems like you might be white-knighting the dumbasses a little bit, but thats your right, its right there next to keep and bear arms.
 
2012-07-01 11:49:34 AM

coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian


Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.
 
2012-07-01 11:50:43 AM

Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.


You're also being forced to do other things.

For example, if you rent you get his with a tax that people who purchase capital to buy a home do not. So you are being forced to buy a home with borrowed money. If you don't, you pay more in taxes than someone who does. You're even paying more in taxes if you buy a home with cash. No, you have to borrow the money, or else you pay the extra taxes.

And there's nowhere in the US where it's legal to be a squatter, so merely existing in the US means either breaking the law, renting + tax penalty, owning a home outright + tax penalty, or borrowing money to purchase a home.
 
2012-07-01 11:53:43 AM

KiplingKat872: coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian

Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.


Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.
 
2012-07-01 11:56:47 AM

Alphax: Lernaeus: Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

This 'fact', and many others you posted, are lies.


No, they're not.

Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

I'd expect that naïveté from a child, but not from an adult with working eyes, ears, and a brain.
 
2012-07-01 11:59:35 AM

DarwiOdrade: Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.


The GOP's motto is 'Government can only fail. It cannot help you, only harm. Elect us and we will f*cking prove it!'
 
2012-07-01 12:00:24 PM

DarwiOdrade: KiplingKat872: coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian

Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.

Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.


...Well, I never *liked* my state mandated school vaccinations that ensured that I would not catch mumps, measels, diptheria, rubella, TB, etc.,

;)
 
2012-07-01 12:01:56 PM

Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.


It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.
 
2012-07-01 12:02:54 PM

KiplingKat872: DarwiOdrade: KiplingKat872: coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian

Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.

Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.

...Well, I never *liked* my state mandated school vaccinations that ensured that I would not catch mumps, measels, diptheria, rubella, TB, etc.,

;)


My state forces me to have car insurance if I want to drive.

Now I know how the Jews in Poland felt in the 1930's.
 
2012-07-01 12:05:13 PM

Mrtraveler01: My state forces me to have car insurance if I want to drive.

Now I know how the Jews in Poland felt in the 1930's.


Really? Mine, too!

Now I know how George Washington felt when he surrendered Fort Necessity to the French in 1754.
 
2012-07-01 12:06:14 PM

Mrtraveler01: It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.


On the bright side, every time one of these clueless ass nuggets dares to poke their head out, it gives me an excuse to post this:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-01 12:06:25 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.

If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.


I'm not an anarchist.

I simply believe that the institution We the People entrust with a monopoly on military and police force should be confined to military and police activities, and not use that power to compell people to live according to the rules of pull-peddlers who either can't thrive on their own productive merits, or who can't mind their own goddamned business.

I don't understand how anyone can trust an institution whose ultimate argument is not reason, bu instead "we've got the guns and prisons; do as we say ... or else."

Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

Your great political victory has been won at gunpoint.

Perhaps it's you who'd enjoy Somalia; there, you can get your way without the tedium of legislative process.
 
2012-07-01 12:07:31 PM

Mrtraveler01: KiplingKat872: DarwiOdrade: KiplingKat872: coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian

Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.

Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.

...Well, I never *liked* my state mandated school vaccinations that ensured that I would not catch mumps, measels, diptheria, rubella, TB, etc.,

;)

My state forces me to have car insurance if I want to drive.

Now I know how the Jews in Poland felt in the 1930's.


I lol'd.

+1 intranets.
 
2012-07-01 12:12:43 PM
Takes a lot for me to passionate hate someone; but this jabroni and the NH Tea Party just fulfilled that requirement. Congrats you asshat.

/fark the Tea Party
 
2012-07-01 12:13:39 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird: And republicans cheered.

My father had colon cancer, so this asshole can go fark himself with a broken bottle.

/He beat it too.


My dad is starting chemo for colon cancer on Tuesday. God willing he'll have the same good fortune yours did...
 
2012-07-01 12:14:29 PM

Lernaeus: Fluorescent Testicle: Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.

If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.

I'm not an anarchist.

I simply believe that the institution We the People entrust with a monopoly on military and police force should be confined to military and police activities, and not use that power to compell people to live according to the rules of pull-peddlers who either can't thrive on their own productive merits, or who can't mind their own goddamned business.

I don't understand how anyone can trust an institution whose ultimate argument is not reason, bu instead "we've got the guns and prisons; do as we say ... or else."

Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

Your great political victory has been won at gunpoint.

Perhaps it's you who'd enjoy Somalia; there, you can get your way without the tedium of legislative process.


That last part just made no sense.

Our political victory has been won by the proper legislative process.

Did you never see the "I'm Just a Bill" School House Rock?

Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.
 
2012-07-01 12:14:41 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.


Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.
 
2012-07-01 12:15:58 PM

DarwiOdrade: Mrtraveler01: My state forces me to have car insurance if I want to drive.

Now I know how the Jews in Poland felt in the 1930's.

Really? Mine, too!

Now I know how George Washington felt when he surrendered Fort Necessity to the French in 1754.


I love how Ft. Necessity is the size of a dorm suite, if that.
 
2012-07-01 12:21:07 PM

KiplingKat872: Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.


I have to laugh whenever I see these "rugged individualist" types complaining about the government over the internet that was developed at the taxpayer-funded Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, using electricity from the grid that was subsidized in-part by taxes.
 
2012-07-01 12:23:19 PM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.


If you actually break a law that is powerful enough to "ruin your life" because you were ignorant of it, you're an idiot.

Paying a fine for burning trash inside city limits when you did not know it was outlawed is not going to ruin your life.

But if you get sent to prison for dealing drugs and claim you didn't know it was against the law, everyone in the courtroom is going to call you the farking moran that you are.

If you haven't paid property taxes in 20 years and the IRS catches up to you, there is no excuse. Everyone knows homeowners pay property taxes.
 
2012-07-01 12:25:26 PM

DarwiOdrade: KiplingKat872: Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.

I have to laugh whenever I see these "rugged individualist" types complaining about the government over the internet that was developed at the taxpayer-funded Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, using electricity from the grid that was subsidized in-part by taxes.


Extactly.

I could not remember which agency it was that developed it.
 
2012-07-01 12:26:18 PM

Lernaeus: Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.


The fact you actually believe this makes me laugh and sad at the same time.
 
2012-07-01 12:26:37 PM

KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Fluorescent Testicle: Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.

If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.

I'm not an anarchist.

I simply believe that the institution We the People entrust with a monopoly on military and police force should be confined to military and police activities, and not use that power to compell people to live according to the rules of pull-peddlers who either can't thrive on their own productive merits, or who can't mind their own goddamned business.

I don't understand how anyone can trust an institution whose ultimate argument is not reason, bu instead "we've got the guns and prisons; do as we say ... or else."

Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

Your great political victory has been won at gunpoint.

Perhaps it's you who'd enjoy Somalia; there, you can get your way without the tedium of legislative process.

That last part just made no sense.

Our political victory has been won by the proper legislative process.

Did you never see the "I'm Just a Bill" School House Rock?

Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.


Yes, I know how a bill becomes law. I also know that it's a bad idea to:

(A) Lie about the bill's contents;
(B) Defend it on grounds that aren't Constitutional, and in spite of a clearly spelled-out explanation of the cited clause by its author(s);
(C) Force the bill through legislation despite massive opposition;
(D) Call it a "budget" bill, when it's clearly not one;
(E) Make privileged people exempt from it; and
(F) Encourage it's signing by politicians who don't read it.

As for those "perks" of "developed, first world nation(s)", they can exist and be beneficial aspects of modern civilization without the state controlling them. And the "dues" one pays for them should be voluntarily purchased in an open marketplace full of multiple options.
 
2012-07-01 12:27:40 PM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.


I hear Kroger is having a huge sale on tinfoil this weekend.

Publix may be having it too but I didn't look at the circular yet.
 
2012-07-01 12:27:44 PM

Supes: Bill Murray said I was weird: And republicans cheered.

My father had colon cancer, so this asshole can go fark himself with a broken bottle.

/He beat it too.

My dad is starting chemo for colon cancer on Tuesday. God willing he'll have the same good fortune yours did...


Best of luck to your dad. My mom beat colon cancer and I took care of her during chemo. A few words of advice. If he gets diarrhea from the chemo (I'm not sure everybody does) have him drink some Kefir everyday. That stuff was a life saver. It's great for replacing gut flora after the chemo kills it. Also, the chemo gave my mom arthritis (she never had it before) and a shot of apple cider vinegar in hot water everyday cleared it up. Again, best of luck.
 
2012-07-01 12:29:07 PM

Lernaeus: As for those "perks" of "developed, first world nation(s)", they can exist and be beneficial aspects of modern civilization without the state controlling them. And the "dues" one pays for them should be voluntarily purchased in an open marketplace full of multiple options.


I'm sure you have lots of examples of developed, first world nations where these perks exist without the state controlling them. Please post a list so we can all learn from their examples.
 
2012-07-01 12:29:15 PM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.


And all the "little dictators" you are so scared of in a government bueraucracy? Try living in a place with an ineffectual government with warlords controlling the countryside.
 
2012-07-01 12:30:55 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

The fact you actually believe this makes me laugh and sad at the same time.


Um, it's the LAW ... Y'know, the one we're talking about?

Tell me, what can I expect if I (A) don't buy the state-mandated insurance plan, or any other one, and (B) refuse to pay the tax for not doing so, or (C) lie to the IRS about having insurance?
 
2012-07-01 12:32:19 PM

Lernaeus: Tell me, what can I expect if I (A) don't buy the state-mandated insurance plan, or any other one, and (B) refuse to pay the tax for not doing so, or (C) lie to the IRS about having insurance?


You get arrested.

But to say those are fascist thug tactics is an incredibly stupid thing to say even by libertarian standards.
 
2012-07-01 12:32:24 PM
I wonder if this vitreol is going to have an impression on Roberts and maybe push him to the left. That would be funny.
 
2012-07-01 12:33:43 PM

KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.

And all the "little dictators" you are so scared of in a government bueraucracy? Try living in a place with an ineffectual government with warlords controlling the countryside.


No, thanks.

How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?
 
2012-07-01 12:34:47 PM

Lernaeus: KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Fluorescent Testicle: Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.

If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.

I'm not an anarchist.

I simply believe that the institution We the People entrust with a monopoly on military and police force should be confined to military and police activities, and not use that power to compell people to live according to the rules of pull-peddlers who either can't thrive on their own productive merits, or who can't mind their own goddamned business.

I don't understand how anyone can trust an institution whose ultimate argument is not reason, bu instead "we've got the guns and prisons; do as we say ... or else."

Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

Your great political victory has been won at gunpoint.

Perhaps it's you who'd enjoy Somalia; there, you can get your way without the tedium of legislative process.

That last part just made no sense.

Our political victory has been won by the proper legislative process.

Did you never see the "I'm Just a Bill" School House Rock?

Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.

Yes, I know how a bill becomes law. I also know that it's a bad idea to:

(A) Lie about the bill's contents;
(B) Defend it on grounds that aren't Constitutional, and in spite of a clearly spelled-out explanation of the cited clause by its author(s);
(C) Force the bill through legislation despite massive opposition;
(D) Call it a "budget" bill, when it's clearly not one;
(E) Make privileged people exempt from it; and
(F) Encourage it's signing by politicians who don't read it.

As for those "perks" of "developed, first world nation(s)", they can exist and be beneficial aspects of modern civilization without the state controlling them. And the "dues" one pays for them should be voluntarily purchased in an open marketplace full of multiple options.


And stop whining about "lied about it's contents," A. The GOP pulls that shiat all the times, including the "Death Panels!" campaign against this bill. B. The bill was avaible for everyone to read, and something this high profile, you can bet they read it.

As for "forcing it through," they got the votes. Boo farking hoo. That's the way it works.

And what "privilaged people" are exempt?
 
2012-07-01 12:35:06 PM

Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


You mean fantasy?
 
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