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2012-06-30 02:59:26 PM
As someone who's had family members die from cancer, fark you.
 
2012-06-30 03:04:34 PM
The stupid...it hurts.

Also, fu.

/lost brother to pancreatic cancer
 
2012-06-30 03:07:51 PM
With regards to wishing cancer on members of the nation's highest court, Malzone told the Patch that he's not a hateful person

i think I would respect these hideous human beings more if they could at least just own up to their own crap. Look buddy, it's right there in black-and-white. You wished colon cancer on people. This is not the wish of a sane, logical, loving man. It is a hateful, spiteful thing to say. You god damn coward.
 
2012-06-30 03:12:11 PM
If it was pre-existing, at least he'd be covered now.
 
2012-06-30 03:13:24 PM
Why colon cancer? It that where the Tea Party thinks higher-order thinking comes from?
 
2012-06-30 03:13:27 PM
Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.
 
2012-06-30 03:17:39 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.


True, but at least Democrats distance themselves from those people. Can't say the same about the GOP.
 
2012-06-30 03:21:53 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.


Hey look! Both sides are bad.
 
2012-06-30 03:27:36 PM
He's a Republican official. I think we should be shocked he was thinking THAT about man ass.
 
2012-06-30 03:30:35 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.


You're right. Which Democratic leaders do this again?

Oh wait. None of them.
 
2012-06-30 03:36:16 PM
So much for being "pro-life," asshole.

Damn Teabaggers.
 
2012-06-30 03:36:18 PM
Here's teh Merrimack Teabaggers' Facebook page. Feel free to leave them some healthy wishes for the future. Bonus - They have the 'Obama standing on the Constitution' picture up there. Nice touch, retards.
 
2012-06-30 03:37:55 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-06-30 03:38:45 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.


Y'know, when the Democrats reach GOP-levels of terribleness in a comparable number of instances then you can talk about how BSAB. Until then - STFU.
 
2012-06-30 03:43:38 PM
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Man, Leonard Nimoy's later years have NOT been treating him well...
 
2012-06-30 03:44:16 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: Here's teh Merrimack Teabaggers' Facebook page...


The FB post that caused all the ruckus:

Today the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Obama care ,and the American people won`t do crap about it . I`am so angry today as I bust my balls working in the heat so I can buy butts for people on the dole . Now I have to buy farking health insurance for the illegals that Obama let in the other day .I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment . I`am fed up with farking government scum bags stealing from hard working Americans . I`m done ,I`m done working ,I`m done paying my bills . Were is our free shiat asshole ! What I don`t get any cause what ????? Pussy fat soft Americans won`t do shiat as your sodomized by your government as long you got cable alls good right . Yah go ahead censor me . One hundred senators ,435 congressmen,one president,and 9 Supreme Court Justices is 545 people farking things up for 300 million .They are directly responsible ,legally,morally and individually for the problems of this country .We don`t write the tax code ,congress does .We don`t propose a federal budget ,the president does .We do not authorize appropriations , the house does .And now you want me to pay more for the problems YOU 545 people created .To my friends at Merrimack Tea ,I apologize for my language . I have never sworn on this forum before . To those 545 people who have ruined America and our way of live ,fark you with no apology .

Wow.

/and some people wonder why I call them Damn Teabaggers
//Damn Teabaggers
 
2012-06-30 03:45:45 PM
"Pseudoconservativism is among other things a disorder in relation to authority, characterized by an inability to find other modes for human relationship than those of more or less complete domination or submission. . . . The pseudo-conservative is a man who, in the name of upholding traditional American values and institutions and defending them against more or less fictitious dangers, consciously or unconsciously aims at their abolition. . . . [He] sees his own country as being so weak that it is constantly about to fall victim to subversion; and yet he feels that it is so all-powerful that any failure it may experience in getting its way in the world . . . cannot possibly be due to its limitations but must be attributed to its having been betrayed."

Richard Hofstadter, The Paranoid Style in American Politics and Other Essays, 1965.
 
2012-06-30 03:47:51 PM

Lorelle: Doctor Funkenstein: Here's teh Merrimack Teabaggers' Facebook page...

The FB post that caused all the ruckus:

Today the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Obama care ,and the American people won`t do crap about it . I`am so angry today as I bust my balls working in the heat so I can buy butts for people on the dole . Now I have to buy farking health insurance for the illegals that Obama let in the other day .I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment . I`am fed up with farking government scum bags stealing from hard working Americans . I`m done ,I`m done working ,I`m done paying my bills . Were is our free shiat asshole ! What I don`t get any cause what ????? Pussy fat soft Americans won`t do shiat as your sodomized by your government as long you got cable alls good right . Yah go ahead censor me . One hundred senators ,435 congressmen,one president,and 9 Supreme Court Justices is 545 people farking things up for 300 million .They are directly responsible ,legally,morally and individually for the problems of this country .We don`t write the tax code ,congress does .We don`t propose a federal budget ,the president does .We do not authorize appropriations , the house does .And now you want me to pay more for the problems YOU 545 people created .To my friends at Merrimack Tea ,I apologize for my language . I have never sworn on this forum before . To those 545 people who have ruined America and our way of live ,fark you with no apology .

Wow.

/and some people wonder why I call them Damn Teabaggers
//Damn Teabaggers


This person is considering running for congress.

Republicans, really, is this what you stand for now?
 
2012-06-30 03:48:42 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: Here's teh Merrimack Teabaggers' Facebook page. Feel free to leave them some healthy wishes for the future. Bonus - They have the 'Obama standing on the Constitution' picture up there. Nice touch, retards.


The Infamous Post:

Today the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Obama care ,and the American people won`t do crap about it . I`am so angry today as I bust my balls working in the heat so I can buy butts for people on the dole . Now I have to buy farking health insurance for the illegals that Obama let in the other day .I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment . I`am fed up with farking government scum bags stealing from hard working Americans . I`m done ,I`m done working ,I`m done paying my bills . Were is our free shiat asshole ! What I don`t get any cause what ????? Pussy fat soft Americans won`t do shiat as your sodomized by your government as long you got cable alls good right . Yah go ahead censor me . One hundred senators ,435 congressmen,one president,and 9 Supreme Court Justices is 545 people farking things up for 300 million .They are directly responsible ,legally,morally and individually for the problems of this country .We don`t write the tax code ,congress does .We don`t propose a federal budget ,the president does .We do not authorize appropriations , the house does .And now you want me to pay more for the problems YOU 545 people created .To my friends at Merrimack Tea ,I apologize for my language . I have never sworn on this forum before . To those 545 people who have ruined America and our way of live ,fark you with no apology .

i.qkme.me
 
2012-06-30 03:49:07 PM
Sometimes the people who most need a mental health evaluation and a lifetime supply of Thorazine just out themselves, and it's amazing. Thankfully with the Affordable Care Act, he'll get the help he so desperately needs.
 
2012-06-30 03:49:26 PM

clancifer: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

Hey look! Both sides are bad.


But which side should I vote for?
 
2012-06-30 03:49:26 PM

Bontesla: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

Y'know, when the Democrats reach GOP-levels of terribleness in a comparable number of instances then you can talk about how BSAB. Until then - STFU.


Well that was civil, and poor vocabulary in one post. I'm usually the one accomplishing that. Well done.
 
2012-06-30 03:50:56 PM

Lorelle: The FB post that caused all the ruckus:


Mother of fark. I hadn't actually read the whole post. That's some high quality, undistilled, mountain fresh derp.
 
2012-06-30 03:52:25 PM

FloydA: This person is considering running for congress.


Another bigoted, willfully ignorant conservative fool is running for Congress?? Well, isn't that a surprise?
 
2012-06-30 03:53:24 PM

Lorelle: FloydA: This person is considering running for congress.


Another bigoted, willfully ignorant conservative fool is running for Congress?? Well, isn't that a surprise?


From what I understand, he's fairly certain God told him to do it. You know, because he's so righteous.
 
2012-06-30 03:55:04 PM
Because that's what Jesus would have wished for.
 
2012-06-30 03:55:40 PM

Relatively Obscure: The Infamous Post:


And sadly there wasn't anyone calling him out until the media picked up on it.
 
2012-06-30 03:56:00 PM
From another article:



The short answer? It's because you're a farking dumbass that pissed away his time running for city council (and lost) and decided to waste more time being the head of the Teabag organization in NH.


I run into these types all of the time. People I've known for years. Inevitably, they ask how my business is doing and if I'm suffering "because of the economy". Honestly, it's almost like they wish for others to do worse.
 
2012-06-30 03:56:11 PM
Mercer?
 
2012-06-30 03:57:41 PM
Dammit. Let's try this quote again from him:

"He questioned why he works seven days a week, and his wife six, just to barely make ends meet. "

/short answer: he's still a dumbass
 
2012-06-30 03:57:49 PM

born_yesterday: From what I understand, he's fairly certain God told him to do it. You know, because he's so righteous.


Oh, of course.

This puzzled me for a moment...

I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment .

...until I read the comments. Apparently he meant MRSA.

/won't be surprised to see that on Teabagger protest signs in the future
 
2012-06-30 03:59:30 PM
Well, at least we can be sure that the Justices won't get dropped by their insurance for getting cancer.

(Remember, all of this anger is because more people get to see the doctor now.)
 
2012-06-30 04:00:24 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Bontesla: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

Y'know, when the Democrats reach GOP-levels of terribleness in a comparable number of instances then you can talk about how BSAB. Until then - STFU.

Well that was civil, and poor vocabulary in one post. I'm usually the one accomplishing that. Well done.


How good of you to avoid the point entirely and wrap yourself in undeserved self-righteousness.

Civil and well-spoken enough for you?
 
2012-06-30 04:02:22 PM

Lorelle: born_yesterday: From what I understand, he's fairly certain God told him to do it. You know, because he's so righteous.

Oh, of course.

This puzzled me for a moment...

I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment .

...until I read the comments. Apparently he meant MRSA.

/won't be surprised to see that on Teabagger protest signs in the future


mer·cer·ize (mûrs-rz)
tr.v. mer·cer·ized, mer·cer·iz·ing, mer·cer·iz·es
To treat (cotton thread) with sodium hydroxide so as to shrink the fiber and increase its luster and affinity for dye.


He was saying they should be splashed with lye. I personally think that's a threat of violence, and Facebook should probably be notified. And the Secret Service.

/not intended to be a factual statement
 
2012-06-30 04:02:54 PM

MorrisBird: Mercer?


Yeah, I noticed that, too. What's up with that? His tirade covers all the teabagger classics: Fartbongo, SCOTUS, illegal immigrants and poor people getting stuff he's paying for, getting "sodomized" by the gub'mint somehow. Then from out of nowhere...Mercer!!11!1!ELEVENTY!!
 
2012-06-30 04:04:54 PM

MorrisBird: Mercer?


I saw that too. I looked it up, and apparently it is considered another name for MRSA used by some people. Probably by people like this dude, but it was listed in a few places.
 
2012-06-30 04:05:25 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.


Yeah, I guess you're ri-- wait a goddamn second, that's stinkiest piece of bullshiat I've read all week.
 
2012-06-30 04:05:50 PM

Lorelle: Doctor Funkenstein: Here's teh Merrimack Teabaggers' Facebook page...

The FB post that caused all the ruckus:

Today the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Obama care ,and the American people won`t do crap about it . I`am so angry today as I bust my balls working in the heat so I can buy butts for people on the dole . Now I have to buy farking health insurance for the illegals that Obama let in the other day .I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment . I`am fed up with farking government scum bags stealing from hard working Americans . I`m done ,I`m done working ,I`m done paying my bills . Were is our free shiat asshole ! What I don`t get any cause what ????? Pussy fat soft Americans won`t do shiat as your sodomized by your government as long you got cable alls good right . Yah go ahead censor me . One hundred senators ,435 congressmen,one president,and 9 Supreme Court Justices is 545 people farking things up for 300 million .They are directly responsible ,legally,morally and individually for the problems of this country .We don`t write the tax code ,congress does .We don`t propose a federal budget ,the president does .We do not authorize appropriations , the house does .And now you want me to pay more for the problems YOU 545 people created .To my friends at Merrimack Tea ,I apologize for my language . I have never sworn on this forum before . To those 545 people who have ruined America and our way of live ,fark you with no apology .

Wow.

/and some people wonder why I call them Damn Teabaggers
//Damn Teabaggers



And he was holding back.
 
2012-06-30 04:07:58 PM
Were is our free shiat asshole !

This post is still cracking me up.
 
2012-06-30 04:08:11 PM

dahmers love zombie: mer·cer·ize (mûrs-rz)
tr.v. mer·cer·ized, mer·cer·iz·ing, mer·cer·iz·es
To treat (cotton thread) with sodium hydroxide so as to shrink the fiber and increase its luster and affinity for dye.

He was saying they should be splashed with lye. I personally think that's a threat of violence, and Facebook should probably be notified. And the Secret Service.

/not intended to be a factual statement


I found this on another website:

Mercer Staph infection is also described with phrases like "Staph Superbug" and "MRSA Staph infection. All of these phrases refer to the same infection and medical condition. Mercer, or MRSA is an infection with the bacteria Staph aureus that is resistant to many antibiotics and Mercer can be a very serious or life-threatening infection.

I had never heard of "mercer" before, but apparently the term is quite common in some areas.

/ya learn something new every day
//Damn Teabaggers
 
2012-06-30 04:10:11 PM

Relatively Obscure: MorrisBird: Mercer?

I saw that too. I looked it up, and apparently it is considered another name for MRSA used by some people. Probably by people like this dude, but it was listed in a few places.


I think you're right. Apparently, it's some sort of drug resistant bacterial infection. Nice touch on his part. I thought he meant these guys and got really confused.
 
2012-06-30 04:12:30 PM
Oh, I know what MRSA is. That would be methacillin resistant staphococcus aureus. But, I think the only excuse for "mercer" is blatant ignorance.
 
2012-06-30 04:14:27 PM
Did he just scrub it?
 
2012-06-30 04:14:57 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Bontesla: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

Y'know, when the Democrats reach GOP-levels of terribleness in a comparable number of instances then you can talk about how BSAB. Until then - STFU.

Well that was civil, and poor vocabulary in one post. I'm usually the one accomplishing that. Well done.


When you suggest that the behavior of Democrats are comparable to the behavior of Republicans and use this as an example - there is no particular need for discourse. You've shown a complete disregard for the facts. You've expressed that your contributions to the conversation will be rooted in fantasy.

Perhaps if you wanted to participate in a civil, adult conversation then you should have signaled that intent by appearing reasonable.

This isn't a BSAB issue. This is a miserable human being saying something miserable because SCOTUS didn't rule their way. There is absolutely no defense to be mounted for their behavior.

Instead of letting their behavior stand alone as something to be condemned, you wanted to interject in a way that distracts from the issue at hand. I'm not required to be civil.
 
2012-06-30 04:17:18 PM
I think the post is gone. Anyone catch a screenshot?
 
2012-06-30 04:20:19 PM
Oooh Wishes!

www.politifake.org
 
2012-06-30 04:20:20 PM

MorrisBird: Oh, I know what MRSA is. That would be methacillin resistant staphococcus aureus. But, I think the only excuse for "mercer" is blatant ignorance.


Has a sad:
www.johnnymercer.com
 
2012-06-30 04:26:22 PM
If you ask one of these people why, exactly, they're so upset, most won't be able to articulate anything that's, well, articulate.

The rest will babble on about things that are outright false.

These people simply cannot be reasoned with -- because reason has nothing whatever to do with their views and beliefs. And, that's scary because they're recruiting other weak minded people to their line of paranoia.

We're coming to a point where nearly half the country is completely misinformed and living in a near-constant state of paranoid delusion.
 
2012-06-30 04:34:07 PM

MorrisBird: Mercer?


i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-30 05:01:17 PM

eraser8: If you ask one of these people why, exactly, they're so upset, most won't be able to articulate anything that's, well, articulate.

The rest will babble on about things that are outright false.

These people simply cannot be reasoned with -- because reason has nothing whatever to do with their views and beliefs. And, that's scary because they're recruiting other weak minded people to their line of paranoia.

We're coming to a point where nearly half the country is completely misinformed and living in a near-constant state of paranoid delusion.


The good news is that they'll have affordable care when their hearts finally protest the spikes in pressure...
 
2012-06-30 05:03:17 PM

hubiestubert: eraser8: If you ask one of these people why, exactly, they're so upset, most won't be able to articulate anything that's, well, articulate.

The rest will babble on about things that are outright false.

These people simply cannot be reasoned with -- because reason has nothing whatever to do with their views and beliefs. And, that's scary because they're recruiting other weak minded people to their line of paranoia.

We're coming to a point where nearly half the country is completely misinformed and living in a near-constant state of paranoid delusion.

The good news is that they'll have affordable care when their hearts finally protest the spikes in pressure...


Good news for them, maybe. Not for the rest of us.
 
2012-06-30 05:03:58 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.


[citation needed]
 
2012-06-30 05:09:51 PM
I like that this is going to go green right before the server outage and all the froth the trolls can come up with will have a lot of time to be stewed on, should be some gems just ready to paste out of notepad later when everybody is good and drunk
 
2012-06-30 05:12:03 PM
It's truly incredible how much people who seemed just fine with Citizens United are freaking out. Poor people getting healthcare will destroy America, but unlimited money from anonymous sources is fine.

Fkn backward-ass retards.
 
2012-06-30 05:36:02 PM

ThrnPhl: The stupid...it hurts.

Also, fu.

/lost brother to pancreatic cancer

/just lost mom to pancan
/if only there were some kind of stake we could tie this guy to and then start a fire under it.
/He's a WITCH!
 
2012-06-30 05:38:55 PM

markie_farkie: Why colon cancer? It that where the Tea Party thinks higher-order thinking comes from?


Teabaggers are obsessed with anuses. And what goes in and out of them during hot ghey buttsex.
 
2012-06-30 05:41:25 PM

namatad: ThrnPhl: The stupid...it hurts.

Also, fu.

/lost brother to pancreatic cancer
/just lost mom to pancan
/if only there were some kind of stake we could tie this guy to and then start a fire under it.
/He's a WITCH!


But does he weigh as much as a duck?
 
2012-06-30 05:43:37 PM

namatad: /if only there were some kind of stake we could tie this guy to and then start a fire under it.


Stakes also attach people pretty firmly to anthills. Coating of honey adds a final touch.

/Just sayin'
 
2012-06-30 05:45:56 PM

Lionel Mandrake: It's truly incredible how much people who seemed just fine with Citizens United are freaking out. Poor people getting healthcare will destroy America, but unlimited money from anonymous sources is fine.

Fkn backward-ass retards.


It's not odd that TEAtards love CU but not this ruling. Remember, CU is a greater boon to conservatives, generally speaking. Therefore, it is the correct ruling. Yesterday's decision benefits regular people, which means they hate it.

But you are definitely correct about the "destroy America" part. CU is incredibly dangerous, infinitely more than the mandate. "Destroy America" is just histrionic b*tch-speak for "I don't like it." It wasn't "destroying America" when the GOP had the same basic idea; suddenly the flags on the porch are at half-mast and people are posting stupid pics of Obama burning the Constitution.
 
2012-06-30 05:46:50 PM
If this guy ends up getting colon cancer, I'm visiting him in the hospital so I can laugh and laugh and laugh in his face.
 
2012-06-30 05:48:32 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.


So Sarah Palin is automatically President now?
 
2012-06-30 05:53:01 PM
He sounds mad. Bros.
 
2012-06-30 05:53:44 PM
Thank you, so much Supreme Court.... The next few months are going to be hilarious as the GOP twists their panties into knots over this ruling like they did during the passing of the bill. The insane, unhinged GOP base is going to let loose a daily tirade of stupidity and righteous indignation that will be epic. And if Obama wins reelection, these people are going to go absolutely ape shiat. It's going to be great!
 
2012-06-30 06:01:58 PM
Mercer?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-30 06:02:51 PM
Look, you teatards, I tolerated your shenanigans for the most part because I found you to be the loopy brethren of some backwoods hick-family. But this is beyond low for you. You actually believe it's immoral to give someone access to affordable healthcare? Really? What the hell is wrong with you? Most of you have access to Social Security and Medicare, both of which are government programs, but when the government wants to help those that aren't you to get similar access to health, you want to deny them? What part of your bible to you not understand? The whole helping your fellow man thing? You want to believe that you're a stand-up moral do gooder of justice, then grow a farking pair and actually support better access to basic health needs, not because you benefit from them but because it's the right thing to do.

Without this law, I'd be denied coverage (most likely) outside of MA because I have an increased risk of developing MS. And you bastards want to deny me the ability to live outside of my state because of that? Don't deny me the freedom to live and actually live a life outside the state where I can actually afford to see a doctor without selling off my first-born. So riddle me this, oh great moral compasses of our time, why should you deny us the right to affordable medical care when you'd get pissy if we did the same to you? What makes you better, more deserving people? Nothing? Then fark off you hover-round freeloaders

/white, straight, Liberal-moderate republican, upper middle class
//and you lot still piss me off
 
2012-06-30 06:05:46 PM

Karma Chameleon: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

So Sarah Palin is automatically President now?


Well no, but you can have Joe Biden if you like.
 
2012-06-30 06:06:10 PM
So, I'm still a little lost here. Isn't the main thrust of the initiative (or bill or whatever it is) to require everyone to have health insurance? I'm sure there is plenty of extra stuff in there, and from one of the other threads, I know that there are some tax things too, but the main bit is the one that I'd like to ask you Farkers more knowledgeable about this than I am.

How would the supreme court's overturning of it have denied healthcare to anyone? I mean, is there a segment of the poplulation somewhere that gets told "No" at the ER or at the doctor's office (aside from payment issues at the Dr office)

How does the supreme court's upholding of it give healthcare to the poor (disadvantaged, underemployed whatever)? I haven't seen anything that said that now every poor homeless person will be able to get free checkups twice a year.

Third, where can one find what the real practical effects of this might be? I'm frankly a little tired of the "Obama just SAVED AMERICA!!!" from the left and the opposing "Obama just DESTROYED AMERICA!!!" from the right. Those are all that my searches seem to turn up. I'm not sure that reading the actual text of the bill would do more than confuse and annoy me just as much.

\I'm not the brightest bulb in this sack of hammers.
\\thanks, smart Farkers.
 
2012-06-30 06:09:12 PM
And republicans cheered.

My father had colon cancer, so this asshole can go fark himself with a broken bottle.

/He beat it too.
 
2012-06-30 06:20:33 PM
...they're breaking me, they're breaking me down."

Sounds like you're having a breakdown. Hope you have good HC insurance.

Hyperbolic, puling teatard who still thinks letting the economy collapse due to a debt ceiling default was a pretty good idea needs to enjoy a steaming mug of SFTU, possibly to help wash down some new anti-psychotic meds.

Speaking of psychos...

Glenn Beck has taken to selling Chief Justice John Roberts T-shirts that say "Coward" on his website ($30 plus shipping and handling).

Oh, FFS. These people need help.
 
2012-06-30 06:23:13 PM
To the Tea Party leader, the Supreme Court ruling was a personal breaking point. "I'm so fed up, I'll do anything for anybody," he said, "but they're breaking me, they're breaking me down."

Yeah, it's all about you, Mr Paranoid Narcissist.
 
2012-06-30 06:23:35 PM
God, how I love to make fun of the ass puppets of the rich!
 
2012-06-30 06:24:48 PM
FTA: "No one cares about me, they all make their promises and then go do what they goddamn feel."

What, suddenly you're running things now? I missed that bit, you know, where YOU were in control of everything in the world.

It's kind of interesting that he's not framing this in the sense of how it affects America in general, but what it means for him personally. True, the only rhetoric you'll hear about how this hurts Americans is "This is tyranny" and "Socialisms" and other soundbites from the AM radio spectrum, but at least that implies that they're wiling to cast a veneer of selflessness over their rejection of reform. This person only cares about what it means for his own wallet.

Trouble with democracy is that you don't always get what you want.

I took a tour of Freeperville - okay, I admit it, it was a very visceral day for me. Nuanced opinion: "Well I don't really like the decision but given the choice between nothing whatsoever and Obamacare I guess I'll take Obamacare since it's still an improvement over the system we have." Then I spent half the day wandering websites for the redstate reaction. "Let us now go to American Thinker; they do amuse me so." I don't really like admitting that since it puts me on the same level as people who vote for idiots because those idiots "piss off the Liberals," but I'm only human.

Anywho, I stumbled upon this post from some guy who said that there was no way he could possibly afford health insurance for himself and his wife and that over four years Obama had taken everything he'd ever had away from him. You could practically see the tears sprinkled upon the paper. The Courts made a decision regarding health care distribution and these people are _mourning the fall of a nation._

This isn't a huge surprise. These people have been hearing for the last three years that Obamacare will be the end of the Republic and the gateway to a new era of government intrusion. They are absolutely convinced of that. And not only did they pin all their hopes on the Supreme Court decision, they were certain that decision was going to fall their way. In this alternate-universe construct they've created for themselves, they literally have no country to call their own anymore.

If I woke up tomorrow and discovered that my country had been invaded by totalitarians that had burned Washington, leveled our largest cities, set fire to the cornfields of Nebraska, and set up a military dictatorship, I'd probably shed a tear, too. To them, it's the same thing. They literally see no difference between an insurance mandate and an invasion by the Soviets. Which explains all these calls for violent armed rebellion.

Dear conservatives: You're absolutely right. I don't give a damn about you. I don't care about your whining or your tears or your assurances that the collapse of Western Civilization is right around the corner. I don't think you guys have the slightest clue what "freedom" means and I think you should try exploring a world broader than a fourth-grade social studies textbook for awhile.

You didn't get what you wanted this time. Tough beans. It happens.

Me, I'm going to study this decision, find out what it means to me, determine the least expensive way to remain in compliance, and ensure that my records are up-to-date. You know. Like civic-minded grownups with a sense of personal responsibility tend to do.

...So, nyah. :P
 
2012-06-30 06:25:09 PM

Wyalt Derp: To the Tea Party leader, the Supreme Court ruling was a personal breaking point. "I'm so fed up, I'll do anything for anybody," he said, "but they're breaking me, they're breaking me down."

Yeah, it's all about you, Mr Paranoid Narcissist.


ANYTHING!
 
2012-06-30 06:25:15 PM
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R.I.P MERCER IN THE ARSENAL
 
2012-06-30 06:27:43 PM

Chevello: So, I'm still a little lost here. Isn't the main thrust of the initiative (or bill or whatever it is) to require everyone to have health insurance? I'm sure there is plenty of extra stuff in there, and from one of the other threads, I know that there are some tax things too, but the main bit is the one that I'd like to ask you Farkers more knowledgeable about this than I am.

How would the supreme court's overturning of it have denied healthcare to anyone? I mean, is there a segment of the poplulation somewhere that gets told "No" at the ER or at the doctor's office (aside from payment issues at the Dr office)

How does the supreme court's upholding of it give healthcare to the poor (disadvantaged, underemployed whatever)? I haven't seen anything that said that now every poor homeless person will be able to get free checkups twice a year.

Third, where can one find what the real practical effects of this might be? I'm frankly a little tired of the "Obama just SAVED AMERICA!!!" from the left and the opposing "Obama just DESTROYED AMERICA!!!" from the right. Those are all that my searches seem to turn up. I'm not sure that reading the actual text of the bill would do more than confuse and annoy me just as much.

\I'm not the brightest bulb in this sack of hammers.
\\thanks, smart Farkers.


Well, it doesn't get EVERYBODY, obviously: It's not single-payer. What it DOES do is make insurance cheaper, keeps insurance companies from dropping you for bullshiat reasons, gets rid of "lifetime care limits", eliminates the "pre-existing condition" bullshiat, and mandates that everyonewho can afford it buy health insurance, or face a penalty. And that's the nutshell version. The full version would be a GWOT that I honestly don't have the entirety of, and I also don't have the patience to type in what I DO have.

Hell, read this reddit post for a GREAT explanation.
 
2012-06-30 06:29:52 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: Here's teh Merrimack Teabaggers' Facebook page. Feel free to leave them some healthy wishes for the future. Bonus - They have the 'Obama standing on the Constitution' picture up there. Nice touch, retards.


You, sir, continue to do God and the FSM's work
 
2012-06-30 06:30:07 PM
I'd hope that he gets brain cancer, but that would require a brain.
 
2012-06-30 06:31:51 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Man, Leonard Nimoy's later years have NOT been treating him well...


actually I'd say he looks more like Tim Cowlishaw.
 
2012-06-30 06:32:31 PM
Heh, "Workaholics" most recent episode included the hashtag #butthurt for the show. Of course the boys were using it among people around the office who weren't quite sure what it meant.
 
2012-06-30 06:33:07 PM

Chevello: So, I'm still a little lost here. Isn't the main thrust of the initiative (or bill or whatever it is) to require everyone to have health insurance? I'm sure there is plenty of extra stuff in there, and from one of the other threads, I know that there are some tax things too, but the main bit is the one that I'd like to ask you Farkers more knowledgeable about this than I am.

How would the supreme court's overturning of it have denied healthcare to anyone? I mean, is there a segment of the poplulation somewhere that gets told "No" at the ER or at the doctor's office (aside from payment issues at the Dr office)

How does the supreme court's upholding of it give healthcare to the poor (disadvantaged, underemployed whatever)? I haven't seen anything that said that now every poor homeless person will be able to get free checkups twice a year.

Third, where can one find what the real practical effects of this might be? I'm frankly a little tired of the "Obama just SAVED AMERICA!!!" from the left and the opposing "Obama just DESTROYED AMERICA!!!" from the right. Those are all that my searches seem to turn up. I'm not sure that reading the actual text of the bill would do more than confuse and annoy me just as much.

\I'm not the brightest bulb in this sack of hammers.
\\thanks, smart Farkers.


Reddit thread that another Farker linked to. Good 101 overview of the bill.
Hope that begins to help.

/not a smart Farker
//would be a stoned Farker if that guy in the other thread would tell me where he gets his stash.
 
2012-06-30 06:33:11 PM

Relatively Obscure: Were is our free shiat asshole !

This post is still cracking me up.


I also enjoyed... "ruining our way of live"

Mercer?

ravinrants.files.wordpress.com

/Getting a kick, oblig, hot, all that.
 
2012-06-30 06:33:40 PM
He deleted his old post and replaced it with this:

At this time I am publicly retracting the statements I made concerning the Supreme Court in the wake of their verdict regarding health care.
I am retracting them because they do not reflect my true feelings about the Supreme Court Justices. They were made in the heat of the moment fueled by anger and frustration. I vented my anger without thinking and the result were hurtful remarks which I didn't believe then and don't believe now. I do not wish anything bad on the Supreme Court Justices or anyone else and never have. I deeply regret my inability to properly convey my frustration or control my anger. My behavior was wrong and inexcusable. I take 100% responsibility for my actions and realize I am accountable for them.
I believe the Supreme Court's verdict was incorrect and will bestow excessive taxation and hardship to millions of Americans but instead of explaining why they were wrong, I through my thoughtless statements, provided fodder for those who oppose the Tea Party. My words were mine alone and in no way representative of the Tea Party. I deeply regret that my actions will be used to attack individuals who work so hard to ensure that the values of the framers of the constitution continue to be adhered to and followed. The members of the Tea Party are thoughtful caring individuals I am sorry that my thoughtless words are being used to weave everyone one together but I am sure we will persevere because the Tea Party Message is consistent with the visions of the founders of our country.
This is my final statement on the issue. You can't unring a bell and I will move forward. I am humbled and have learned a valuable lesson. In the future I will use better judgment and will continue to work hard to preserve the values and principles of our constitution.

Michael Malzone
Merrimack NH



Well, it's not the worst political apology I've read, anyway.
 
2012-06-30 11:44:18 PM
Fark these people.
 
2012-06-30 11:47:11 PM
Oh are you making fun of the Tea Party again? How did that work out for you last time? A near record breaking defeat for Democrats nation wide you say?
 
2012-06-30 11:50:34 PM

randomjsa: Oh are you making fun of the Tea Party again? How did that work out for you last time? A near record breaking defeat for Democrats nation wide you say?


How completely unsurprising. A teabagger wishes cancer on people and you go out of your way to defend him lthe hero you consider him to be for doing so. You are without a doubt one of the most hateful people on this site, and probably the biggest coward to boot.
 
2012-06-30 11:56:52 PM

randomjsa: Oh are you making fun of the Tea Party again? How did that work out for you last time? A near record breaking defeat for Democrats nation wide you say?


I bet if you took a blacklight into your mother's basement you'd find approximately 15 gallons of semen speared on your posters of Reagan, Norquist and Oliver North.

And..... 0/10.
 
2012-06-30 11:57:29 PM

coeyagi: randomjsa: Oh are you making fun of the Tea Party again? How did that work out for you last time? A near record breaking defeat for Democrats nation wide you say?

I bet if you took a blacklight into your mother's basement you'd find approximately 15 gallons of semen spearedsmeared on your posters of Reagan, Norquist and Oliver North.

And..... 0/10.


FTFM
 
2012-06-30 11:58:25 PM

Relatively Obscure: He deleted his old post and replaced it with this:

At this time I am publicly retracting the statements I made concerning the Supreme Court in the wake of their verdict regarding health care.
I am retracting them because they do not reflect my true feelings about the Supreme Court Justices. They were made in the heat of the moment fueled by anger and frustration. I vented my anger without thinking and the result were hurtful remarks which I didn't believe then and don't believe now. I do not wish anything bad on the Supreme Court Justices or anyone else and never have. I deeply regret my inability to properly convey my frustration or control my anger. My behavior was wrong and inexcusable. I take 100% responsibility for my actions and realize I am accountable for them.
I believe the Supreme Court's verdict was incorrect and will bestow excessive taxation and hardship to millions of Americans but instead of explaining why they were wrong, I through my thoughtless statements, provided fodder for those who oppose the Tea Party. My words were mine alone and in no way representative of the Tea Party. I deeply regret that my actions will be used to attack individuals who work so hard to ensure that the values of the framers of the constitution continue to be adhered to and followed. The members of the Tea Party are thoughtful caring individuals I am sorry that my thoughtless words are being used to weave everyone one together but I am sure we will persevere because the Tea Party Message is consistent with the visions of the founders of our country.
This is my final statement on the issue. You can't unring a bell and I will move forward. I am humbled and have learned a valuable lesson. In the future I will use better judgment and will continue to work hard to preserve the values and principles of our constitution.

Michael Malzone
Merrimack NH


Well, it's not the worst political apology I've read, anyway.


I'm guessing his lawyer typed that up for him. Must've gotten a little call from the secret service.
 
2012-07-01 12:02:41 AM

born_yesterday: clancifer: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

Hey look! Both sides are bad.

But which side should I vote for?


www.thechoad.com
I'd pick the side most likely to leave us in peace when the dust settles.

(Hint: it won't be the republicans to leave us in peace when the dust settles)
 
2012-07-01 12:04:21 AM

Hobodeluxe: Relatively Obscure: Well, it's not the worst political apology I've read, anyway.

I'm guessing his lawyer typed that up for him ...


I was thinking that same thing - his "true feelings" were more along the lines of, "ohshiat ohshiat ohshiat, please don't arrest me and send me to Gitmo as a terrorist..."
 
2012-07-01 12:05:47 AM
I do not get these people, these tea baggers. The have to be certifiably insane to say such things.
 
2012-07-01 12:08:17 AM
I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...
 
2012-07-01 12:09:58 AM
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This is the face of the Republican base: crazy eyes that house a brain that does not live in this reality, pasty white skin, and a look of quiet desperation. It's the face of a hick begging for real-life drama to avoid the voices in his brain that try to make him see sense and ask him what the fark he's doing in life combined with the ones on the television telling him that America--the one that only exists in black and white reruns--is under threat and that he can be a big hero if he just stands up for whatever issue pisses him off. It's the face of a man who is brave enough to completely destroy his credibility yet not brave enough to make changes in his life that he so desperately wants: the Republican brand of cowardice that does everything in its power, no matter how mindless except the one that makes them live the lives they want instead of forcing reality to fit their sad, pathetic mold.

Hobodeluxe: I'm guessing his lawyer typed that up for him. Must've gotten a little call from the secret service.


He probably got a call from the Party, telling him to shut the fark up because he'll lose his cherry job. Then again, this is yet another Republican way of saying shiat and then backing away from any responsibility from it. You know, the same responsibility that they slap people around with and then avoid at the next opportunity.
 
2012-07-01 12:13:21 AM

Hobodeluxe: I'm guessing his lawyer typed that up for him.


You may not be too far off. It's the only post I've noticed without completely WTF punctuation style.
 
2012-07-01 12:13:55 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: He probably got a call from the Party, telling him to shut the fark up because he'll lose his cherry job.


I'm almost willing to bet that the New Hampshire Tea Party Chairman job is a volunteer position. But I could be wrong.
 
2012-07-01 12:15:26 AM

quatchi: Relatively Obscure: Were is our free shiat asshole !

This post is still cracking me up.

I also enjoyed... "ruining our way of live"

Mercer?

[ravinrants.files.wordpress.com image 405x300]

/Getting a kick, oblig, hot, all that.


Heh, my first thought was that it would be hilarious if Rick Mercer called him up and said "Dude, I hear you're wishing me on people you're mad at. What's up with that?"
 
2012-07-01 12:20:22 AM

Relatively Obscure: He deleted his old post and replaced it with this:

... I do not wish anything bad on the Supreme Court Justices or anyone else and never have.


LIAR!

...My words were mine alone and in no way representative of the Tea Party. I deeply regret that my actions will be used to attack individuals who work so hard to ensure that the values of the framers of the constitution continue to be adhered to and followed. The members of the Tea Party are thoughtful caring individuals...

Bullpoop. I couldn't help noticing that following this jerk's rant were numerous comments by other Teabaggers who wholeheartedly agreed with him and cheered him on.
 
2012-07-01 12:23:54 AM
So "epilepsy meds" is the new "booze?"

I'm just trying to keep up.
 
2012-07-01 12:25:26 AM
One thing I find most hilarious about Teabaggers (and conservatives in general) is all their talk about "damn gubmint taking mah money and giving it to poor people" (etc.). All their OUTRAGE. Where the hell is their outrage at a $600 billion "defense" budget? From $1800 hammers in the 80s to the $30,000 engine drip pan (with gaskets!) for helicopters in the 00s.

What a bunch of scum.

I don't think there's really a lower form of socio-cultural-political nitwits than conservatives.
 
2012-07-01 12:26:55 AM

Coco LaFemme: Sometimes the people who most need a mental health evaluation and a lifetime supply of Thorazine just out themselves, and it's amazing. Thankfully with the Affordable Care Act, he'll get the help he so desperately needs.


I'm not so sure about that. I'll bet that people like this guy are unlikely to seek out treatment for mental health issues, and unless he commits some sort of crime, he won't be getting any...
 
2012-07-01 12:26:59 AM

Lorelle: Relatively Obscure: He deleted his old post and replaced it with this:

... I do not wish anything bad on the Supreme Court Justices or anyone else and never have.

LIAR!

...My words were mine alone and in no way representative of the Tea Party. I deeply regret that my actions will be used to attack individuals who work so hard to ensure that the values of the framers of the constitution continue to be adhered to and followed. The members of the Tea Party are thoughtful caring individuals...

Bullpoop. I couldn't help noticing that following this jerk's rant were numerous comments by other Teabaggers who wholeheartedly agreed with him and cheered him on.


True dat.

But, I guess at least his apology wasn't "I'm sure sorry you guys somehow misunderstood what I said," which is what I've come to expect.
 
2012-07-01 12:38:27 AM

Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...


Watch out, you could pull a muscle stretching like that.
 
2012-07-01 12:41:13 AM
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Mercer?
 
2012-07-01 12:41:44 AM

Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...


lolwut
 
2012-07-01 12:45:58 AM

Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...


You misunderstand. When liberals refer to teabaggers suffering from butthurt, we're talking about the consequence of their rectocranial inversion.
 
2012-07-01 12:47:04 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: [img809.imageshack.us image 615x345]

Man, Leonard Nimoy's later years have NOT been treating him well...


See, I was more thinking "Ron Perlman, WHY?!?!?"

/oh and way to show those damn, dirty LIBS how to keep it classy...
 
2012-07-01 12:51:02 AM

Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...


Jeez...everything always comes down to anal rape for you guys, doesn't it?
 
2012-07-01 01:02:00 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

Jeez...everything always comes down to anal rape for you guys, doesn't it?


It's either anal rape or something "jammed down our throats."
 
2012-07-01 01:11:01 AM
Well, I hope he gets raped.
 
2012-07-01 01:12:35 AM
Wow, I posted my last comment without even realizing how rapey the thread already was. Diseased minds must think alike.
 
2012-07-01 01:22:38 AM
My mother died of colon cancer when I was 15, so it really hurts that there exists a person so low as to wish colon cancer on anyone, let alone people who are championing the very health care that could give early detection to colon cancer.
 
2012-07-01 01:29:59 AM

Primum: One thing I find most hilarious about Teabaggers (and conservatives in general) is all their talk about "damn gubmint taking mah money and giving it to poor people" (etc.). All their OUTRAGE. Where the hell is their outrage at a $600 billion "defense" budget? From $1800 hammers in the 80s to the $30,000 engine drip pan (with gaskets!) for helicopters in the 00s.

What a bunch of scum.

I don't think there's really a lower form of socio-cultural-political nitwits than conservatives.


And a good number of 'em are over 65, meaning of course that they're recipients of Social Security and Medicare, which makes them the biggest beneficiaries of socialism in the nation. This, along with their shiatty driving is why I hate old people
 
2012-07-01 01:36:35 AM

cmb53208: And a good number of 'em are over 65, meaning of course that they're recipients of Social Security and Medicare, which makes them the biggest beneficiaries of socialism in the nation.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-01 01:40:42 AM

themindiswatching: Relatively Obscure: The Infamous Post:

And sadly there wasn't anyone calling him out until the media picked up on it.


Then he provided them with this gem:

"I didn't wish for anyone to die, but I said I do wish for them to feel our pain," he said. "No one cares about me, they all make their promises and then go do what they goddamn feel."

Wahh! wahh! wahh! They don't care about me, and they PROMISED!! I think I'll go eat a worm.
 
2012-07-01 01:48:20 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Guntram Shatterhand: He probably got a call from the Party, telling him to shut the fark up because he'll lose his cherry job.

I'm almost willing to bet that the New Hampshire Tea Party Chairman job is a volunteer position. But I could be wrong.


Even still, it's a political leadership position, and has some benefits to it (such as a forum to make an ass out of yourself). Given the small town mindset of these fools, being slapped down from an unpaid position would probably make this loser spin even quicker to avoid just being another redneck douchebag.
 
2012-07-01 01:49:02 AM
Thank god we have people like this to remind us how classless the president is.
 
2012-07-01 01:55:31 AM

apoptotic: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

You misunderstand. When liberals refer to teabaggers suffering from butthurt, we're talking about the consequence of their rectocranial inversion.


But I don't get it ...

This legislation was passed in the sleaziest way possible: greased with lies about there bring no tax penalties, and behind a flimsy cover of a budget bill, and defended tooth and nail as a "commerce clause power," despite incredible opposition.

The defense tactic didn't work out, and SCOTUS made the President and Congress look like a pack of liars and/or completely incompetent, and basically demolished the legitimacy of all three branches of government, not to mention the Constution and, in effect, *hundreds* of years if contract law (after all, if contracts are now subject to legislative compulsion, then contracts - i.e. voluntary agreements - have no legal protection, as they are now at the mercy of political whim).

This is Cheney-level corruption and a PATRIOT Act-like rights violation sold with promises of cheap health care (instead of national security) by people who have demonstrated less trustworthiness than a liquor store patron wearing a ski mask, and people are *gloating* about this being some kind of victory.

This is truly a surreal time we live in.
 
2012-07-01 02:00:44 AM

Lernaeus: apoptotic: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

You misunderstand. When liberals refer to teabaggers suffering from butthurt, we're talking about the consequence of their rectocranial inversion.

But I don't get it ...

This legislation was passed in the sleaziest way possible: greased with lies about there bring no tax penalties, and behind a flimsy cover of a budget bill, and defended tooth and nail as a "commerce clause power," despite incredible opposition.

The defense tactic didn't work out, and SCOTUS made the President and Congress look like a pack of liars and/or completely incompetent, and basically demolished the legitimacy of all three branches of government, not to mention the Constution and, in effect, *hundreds* of years if contract law (after all, if contracts are now subject to legislative compulsion, then contracts - i.e. voluntary agreements - have no legal protection, as they are now at the mercy of political whim).

This is Cheney-level corruption and a PATRIOT Act-like rights violation sold with promises of cheap health care (instead of national security) by people who have demonstrated less trustworthiness than a liquor store patron wearing a ski mask, and people are *gloating* about this being some kind of victory.

This is truly a surreal time we live in.


Where did this decision implicate the Contract Clause? I missed that part.
 
2012-07-01 02:37:45 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Bontesla: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

Y'know, when the Democrats reach GOP-levels of terribleness in a comparable number of instances then you can talk about how BSAB. Until then - STFU.

Well that was civil, and poor vocabulary in one post. I'm usually the one accomplishing that. Well done.


Nice grammar.
 
2012-07-01 02:44:23 AM

Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...


You are dumb as a brick. I am not sure how you enjoy anything.
 
2012-07-01 02:45:17 AM

Smackledorfer: TheDumbBlonde: Bontesla: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

Y'know, when the Democrats reach GOP-levels of terribleness in a comparable number of instances then you can talk about how BSAB. Until then - STFU.

Well that was civil, and poor vocabulary in one post. I'm usually the one accomplishing that. Well done.

Nice grammar.


She is really dumb. It is cool she is honest with her handle.
 
2012-07-01 03:26:49 AM
Ha ha

I feed off the tears and impotent rage of desperately losing fascist scum.
 
2012-07-01 03:40:11 AM
And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.
 
2012-07-01 04:00:53 AM

farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.


Ozone?
Ringtone?
Boss-tone?
 
2012-07-01 04:19:40 AM

Gyrfalcon: farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.

Ozone?
Ringtone?
Boss-tone?


Mal-bone. Kinda French-American.
 
2012-07-01 04:33:59 AM

farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.


Alone.
 
2012-07-01 04:36:31 AM

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.

Alone.


Well, crap, that was easy.
 
2012-07-01 04:37:07 AM

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.

Alone.


Although Cal and a don't rhyme. At least in my region.
 
2012-07-01 04:43:13 AM

Sabyen91: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.

Alone.

Although Cal and a don't rhyme. At least in my region.


Pal-zone? Like the friend-zone, but worse?
 
2012-07-01 04:49:20 AM

Jorn the Younger: Sabyen91: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.

Alone.

Although Cal and a don't rhyme. At least in my region.

Pal-zone? Like the friend-zone, but worse?


Oh, good word. Bad place to be.
 
2012-07-01 04:55:51 AM

Sabyen91: Jorn the Younger: Sabyen91: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.

Alone.

Although Cal and a don't rhyme. At least in my region.

Pal-zone? Like the friend-zone, but worse?

Oh, good word. Bad place to be.


Wait, is it cal-zown or cal-zown-ee?
 
2012-07-01 05:05:33 AM
I remember when Republicans were people who wanted the same things as anyone else* - peace, prosperity, freedom, happiness - they just disagreed about the best way to achieve those goals. You could have a rational discussion with a Republican, and even if you disagreed you didn't feel the need to wash your hands (or check your wallet) when you were done.

Those days are gone. Republicans are lunatics, and the exceptions are few and far between enough to ignore.

* I also remember Michael Jackson's original nose

P.S. I have to admit his apology is far more gracious and sincere than I expected.
 
2012-07-01 05:12:27 AM

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Sabyen91: Jorn the Younger: Sabyen91: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: farkityfarker: And all this time I thought there wasn't a word that rhymes with calzone.

Alone.

Although Cal and a don't rhyme. At least in my region.

Pal-zone? Like the friend-zone, but worse?

Oh, good word. Bad place to be.

Wait, is it cal-zown or cal-zown-ee?


Well, as a Wisconsinite I vote no ee at the end.
 
2012-07-01 05:53:23 AM

The Why Not Guy: I remember when Republicans were people who wanted the same things as anyone else* - peace, prosperity, freedom, happiness - they just disagreed about the best way to achieve those goals. You could have a rational discussion with a Republican, and even if you disagreed you didn't feel the need to wash your hands (or check your wallet) when you were done.

Those days are gone. Republicans are lunatics, and the exceptions are few and far between enough to ignore.

* I also remember Michael Jackson's original nose

P.S. I have to admit his apology is far more gracious and sincere than I expected.


Michael Jackson's original nose? Wow, you are old.
 
2012-07-01 06:11:02 AM

Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: I remember when Republicans were people who wanted the same things as anyone else* - peace, prosperity, freedom, happiness - they just disagreed about the best way to achieve those goals. You could have a rational discussion with a Republican, and even if you disagreed you didn't feel the need to wash your hands (or check your wallet) when you were done.

Those days are gone. Republicans are lunatics, and the exceptions are few and far between enough to ignore.

* I also remember Michael Jackson's original nose

P.S. I have to admit his apology is far more gracious and sincere than I expected.

Michael Jackson's original nose? Wow, you are old.


It's bad, you know it...

/old
 
2012-07-01 06:44:08 AM

themindiswatching: As someone who's had family members die from cancer, fark you.


You're probably going to be one of the first people to try a work-around when the board denies you treatment.

Every country which operates with some sort of social medicine structure has rationing panels. Lets face it, your 84 year old mom who just got diagnosed with cancer just isn't worth it. But OMG. Death Panels!!
 
2012-07-01 06:57:35 AM

Lionel Mandrake: It's truly incredible how much people who seemed just fine with Citizens United are freaking out. Poor people getting healthcare will destroy America, but unlimited money from anonymous sources is fine.

Fkn backward-ass retards.


Nobody "gets" healthcare as government owns no resources on its own. In order to provide healthcare to someone, government has to take it away from someone else. It only works if you raise the prices on the young and healthy to cover the already sick.
 
2012-07-01 07:05:12 AM
What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.
 
2012-07-01 07:05:42 AM
I can promise you this nutjob is a Howie Carr listener (680 Boston). Carr could have written that screed. Off the chart hate speech.

I love the "code" they speak too. "WE'RE GONNA HAFTA WAIT 4 MONTHS TO SEE A DOCTOR NOW!" Oh, and why is that? Oh yea, because people who are now suffering & dying at home will be able to go to the doctor now.

But rush & howie and their ilk are always touting how good the health care system is, and that NOBODY is refused medical care in this country. If that were true, why are the doctor's offices going to be suddenly filled to the brim?

They scream about how now we are going to have "rationed" care.

NEWSFLASH!!! We have rationed care now. If you have insurance, you get care. If you don't, you can just stay home and die.

/funny how they aren't concerned with the trillion+ dollars we've wasted in the middle east, or the thousands of lives lost.
 
2012-07-01 07:18:32 AM

o5iiawah: themindiswatching: As someone who's had family members die from cancer, fark you.

You're probably going to be one of the first people to try a work-around when the board denies you treatment.

Every country which operates with some sort of social medicine structure has rationing panels. Lets face it, your 84 year old mom who just got diagnosed with cancer just isn't worth it. But OMG. Death Panels!!


You idiots are hilarious with your uninformed rants and paranoid delusions.

The funny part is, it's unhinged whackadoos, like yourself, that are going to hand this election to Obama.

That's the great thing about the freedom of speech... It permits the mental midgets amongst us to make themselves well-known and easy to identify. Smart men, those Founding Fathers.
 
2012-07-01 07:36:26 AM

o5iiawah: Lionel Mandrake: It's truly incredible how much people who seemed just fine with Citizens United are freaking out. Poor people getting healthcare will destroy America, but unlimited money from anonymous sources is fine.

Fkn backward-ass retards.

Nobody "gets" healthcare as government owns no resources on its own. In order to provide healthcare to someone, government has to take it away from someone else. It only works if you raise the prices on the young and healthy to cover the already sick.


Medical treatment is a finite resource?

Is that really the argument we're going with now?
 
2012-07-01 07:36:36 AM

o5iiawah: themindiswatching: As someone who's had family members die from cancer, fark you.

You're probably going to be one of the first people to try a work-around when the board denies you treatment.

Every country which operates with some sort of social medicine structure has rationing panels. Lets face it, your 84 year old mom who just got diagnosed with cancer just isn't worth it. But OMG. Death Panels!!


We already have death panels. They're called Blue Cross and Blue Shield.
 
2012-07-01 08:29:35 AM
Question to Conservatives:

If the United States of America is the strongest, smartest and best country in the world, how is it always on the verge of being "destroyed" by things like Universal Health Care, guys in caves wearing turbans 3000 miles away, women deciding to abort their unwanted pregnancies, black presidents being elected, regulation of trillion-dollar industries, environmental groups, etc.

I mean, how can you still be the strongest if every little thing brings your country to the "brink of chaos"?

God help you if you ever faced any ACTUAL threats, like massive civil unrest, a terrible natural disaster, or a military coup.
 
2012-07-01 08:40:08 AM

clancifer: TheDumbBlonde: Wishing cancer and organ failure on others isn't limited to one political party.

Hey look! Both sides are bad.


So vote Republican!
 
2012-07-01 08:44:10 AM
Mercer?
He's *obviously* a Philip K. Dick aficionado...
Get that man an Empathy Box.
 
2012-07-01 09:04:51 AM

The Why Not Guy: I remember when Republicans were people who wanted the same things as anyone else* - peace, prosperity, freedom, happiness - they just disagreed about the best way to achieve those goals. You could have a rational discussion with a Republican, and even if you disagreed you didn't feel the need to wash your hands (or check your wallet) when you were done.

Those days are gone. Republicans are lunatics, and the exceptions are few and far between enough to ignore.

* I also remember Michael Jackson's original nose

P.S. I have to admit his apology is far more gracious and sincere than I expected.


Considering that it's his second try, after "I want them to hurt like we hurt", I'm not all that impressed
 
2012-07-01 09:09:07 AM

Sabyen91: She is really dumb. It is cool she is honest with her handle.


TheCowardlyPartisan also works. Too terrified to ever call the tea party or GOP out and immediately runs under the 'Both sides are bad' cover.
 
2012-07-01 09:16:28 AM

friday13:

Well, it doesn't get EVERYBODY, obviously: It's not single-payer. What it DOES do is make insurance cheaper, keeps insurance companies from dropping you for bullshiat reasons, gets rid of "lifetime care limits", eliminates the "pre-existing condition" bullshiat, and mandates that everyonewho can afford it buy health insurance, or face a penalty. And that's the nutshell version. The full version would be a GWOT that I honestly don't have the entirety of, and I also don't have the patience to type in what I DO have.

Hell, read this reddit post for a GREAT explanation.


SixPaperJoint:

Reddit thread that another Farker linked to. Good 101 overview of the bill.
Hope that begins to help.

/not a smart Farker
//would be a stoned Farker if that guy in the other thread would tell me where he gets his stash.


You guys rock. Thanks. I'm sure I'll enjoy the details as I need them. Hopefully not for colon cancer.

Oh, and back on topic: It sounds like this guy has never had to deal with any real health issues in his family. He should try on someone else's shoes once.
 
2012-07-01 09:20:30 AM
What bothers me more than this turd, who holds some position of authority in his derp club, are the hundreds or thousands of people also in that club so bereft of intelligence and critical thinking skills that would say "this guy, he represents me perfectly!' Anyone who reads this guy's writing can tell that if given the chance to lead it all would be a tyrant to rival the worst. If you think this guy wouldn't grudge fark everyone he disagreed with ideologically you aren't thinking.
 
2012-07-01 09:28:30 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-01 09:36:46 AM

rudemix: What bothers me more than this turd, who holds some position of authority in his derp club, are the hundreds or thousands of people also in that club so bereft of intelligence and critical thinking skills that would say "this guy, he represents me perfectly!' Anyone who reads this guy's writing can tell that if given the chance to lead it all would be a tyrant to rival the worst. If you think this guy wouldn't grudge fark everyone he disagreed with ideologically you aren't thinking.


The Right has the amazing ability to protest something and claiming the other side will do while they welcome that same thing they protest into their side with open arms.
 
2012-07-01 09:37:38 AM

hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.


Who are you talking to, exactly?
 
2012-07-01 10:12:53 AM

keylock71: o5iiawah: themindiswatching: As someone who's had family members die from cancer, fark you.

You're probably going to be one of the first people to try a work-around when the board denies you treatment.

Every country which operates with some sort of social medicine structure has rationing panels. Lets face it, your 84 year old mom who just got diagnosed with cancer just isn't worth it. But OMG. Death Panels!!

You idiots are hilarious with your uninformed rants and paranoid delusions.

The funny part is, it's unhinged whackadoos, like yourself, that are going to hand this election to Obama.

That's the great thing about the freedom of speech... It permits the mental midgets amongst us to make themselves well-known and easy to identify. Smart men, those Founding Fathers.


*AHEM*

They prefer the term "mental little people".
 
2012-07-01 10:14:27 AM

Lernaeus: apoptotic: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

You misunderstand. When liberals refer to teabaggers suffering from butthurt, we're talking about the consequence of their rectocranial inversion.

But I don't get it ...

This legislation was passed in the sleaziest way possible: greased with lies about there bring no tax penalties, and behind a flimsy cover of a budget bill, and defended tooth and nail as a "commerce clause power," despite incredible opposition.

The defense tactic didn't work out, and SCOTUS made the President and Congress look like a pack of liars and/or completely incompetent, and basically demolished the legitimacy of all three branches of government, not to mention the Constution and, in effect, *hundreds* of years if contract law (after all, if contracts are now subject to legislative compulsion, then contracts - i.e. voluntary agreements - have no legal protection, as they are now at the mercy of political whim).

This is Cheney-level corruption and a PATRIOT Act-like rights violation sold with promises of cheap health care (instead of national security) by people who have demonstrated less trustworthiness than a liquor store patron wearing a ski mask, and people are *gloating* about this being some kind of victory.

This is truly a surreal time we live in.


Yup, you're right.

You don't get it.

NEXT!
 
2012-07-01 10:46:58 AM

Sabyen91: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

You are dumb as a brick..


How?

Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Explain to me how they're totally telling the truth this time when they swear this program will remain affordable, despite the fact that every other "we swear, it'll only cost you a little!" promise made since 1913 has been broken, shredded, set on fire, and dissolved in acid.

You know who's dumb as a brick?

People that trust the government and believe what these non-entity politicians say; that's who.

Sabyen91: I am not sure how you enjoy anything


There are lots of things I enjoy. I like reading, playing in my band, making show posters, teaching music theory, building websites, watching cult movies, making pretty girls laugh, micro-brew beers, smart TV shows, designing music instruments and accessories, and so on.

Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.
 
2012-07-01 10:48:59 AM

Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.


Because you've done it before.
 
2012-07-01 10:50:45 AM

Lernaeus: Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.


This 'fact', and many others you posted, are lies.
 
2012-07-01 10:55:54 AM

hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.


I marched in two of the protests against the the invasion of Iraq, had a political blog, albeit one that did not get much attention, speaking out against the Bush administration, and apologized to people in other countries when we could not defeat the massive derpitude running rampant in this country in 2004.

So even by your self-righteous standards, which seem to bypass that whole "free speech" thing, I have earned the right to speak in favor of this ruling.

Just because you sat on your arse for eight years, that doesn't mean we all did.
 
2012-07-01 11:00:40 AM

KiplingKat872: hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.

I marched in two of the protests against the the invasion of Iraq, had a political blog, albeit one that did not get much attention, speaking out against the Bush administration, and apologized to people in other countries when we could not defeat the massive derpitude running rampant in this country in 2004.

So even by your self-righteous standards, which seem to bypass that whole "free speech" thing, I have earned the right to speak in favor of this ruling.

Just because you sat on your arse for eight years, that doesn't mean we all did.


I did the same. I was in the Peace Corps RIGHT after 9/11, realizing it was as important as everything else to let the world know that American people != American government.
 
2012-07-01 11:01:13 AM

Lernaeus: Sabyen91: Lernaeus: I'm enjoying that liberals imply with the word "butthurt" that they've sponsored a legislative anal rape.

I guess in some ways, "no" does mean "yes" ...

You are dumb as a brick..

How?

Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Explain to me how they're totally telling the truth this time when they swear this program will remain affordable, despite the fact that every other "we swear, it'll only cost you a little!" promise made since 1913 has been broken, shredded, set on fire, and dissolved in acid.

You know who's dumb as a brick?

People that trust the government and believe what these non-entity politicians say; that's who.

Sabyen91: I am not sure how you enjoy anything

There are lots of things I enjoy. I like reading, playing in my band, making show posters, teaching music theory, building websites, watching cult movies, making pretty girls laugh, micro-brew beers, smart TV shows, designing music instruments and accessories, and so on.

Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.


Trust the government to do what exactly?

This is not government run healthcare.
 
2012-07-01 11:05:11 AM

Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.


If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.
 
2012-07-01 11:07:00 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: libertarian paradise


Man if that isn't an oxymoron, I don't know what is.
 
2012-07-01 11:07:26 AM

MorrisBird: Mercer?


I saw that too. I can only assume he means MRSA.
 
2012-07-01 11:28:56 AM

Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.


Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.
 
2012-07-01 11:32:34 AM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.


I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian
 
2012-07-01 11:38:18 AM
it looks like he's dilating and about to drop a monster Turd.
 
2012-07-01 11:39:24 AM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.


Do you wear a seatbelt? When someone runs into your car, are you glad they have insurance? Are you glad that you have a police force and fire departments? Did you attend public school? If you live in a city, your taxes also pay for waste disposal, both trash and sewage. Taxes also help build water treatment plants and power stations. If you live in the country, taxes paid for rural electrification so you can be on your computer whinging about the government now. Back in the 1940's taxes built (but did not run) county hospitals around the nation, ensuring everyone was in physical reach of adequate healthcare, so if, like me, you were born in one you can thank the governmemt.
 
2012-07-01 11:48:53 AM

hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.


Quite a few of us were around, pointing out how flawed the logic in the war was, how crooked Florida politics was, and how criminal Cheney was and what the hell happened to America. Along with the usual mockery of stupidity everywhere in America. I don't know why this matters to you, but you asked. Seems like you might be white-knighting the dumbasses a little bit, but thats your right, its right there next to keep and bear arms.
 
2012-07-01 11:49:34 AM

coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian


Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.
 
2012-07-01 11:50:43 AM

Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.


You're also being forced to do other things.

For example, if you rent you get his with a tax that people who purchase capital to buy a home do not. So you are being forced to buy a home with borrowed money. If you don't, you pay more in taxes than someone who does. You're even paying more in taxes if you buy a home with cash. No, you have to borrow the money, or else you pay the extra taxes.

And there's nowhere in the US where it's legal to be a squatter, so merely existing in the US means either breaking the law, renting + tax penalty, owning a home outright + tax penalty, or borrowing money to purchase a home.
 
2012-07-01 11:53:43 AM

KiplingKat872: coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian

Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.


Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.
 
2012-07-01 11:56:47 AM

Alphax: Lernaeus: Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

This 'fact', and many others you posted, are lies.


No, they're not.

Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

I'd expect that naïveté from a child, but not from an adult with working eyes, ears, and a brain.
 
2012-07-01 11:59:35 AM

DarwiOdrade: Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.


The GOP's motto is 'Government can only fail. It cannot help you, only harm. Elect us and we will f*cking prove it!'
 
2012-07-01 12:00:24 PM

DarwiOdrade: KiplingKat872: coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian

Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.

Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.


...Well, I never *liked* my state mandated school vaccinations that ensured that I would not catch mumps, measels, diptheria, rubella, TB, etc.,

;)
 
2012-07-01 12:01:56 PM

Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.


It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.
 
2012-07-01 12:02:54 PM

KiplingKat872: DarwiOdrade: KiplingKat872: coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian

Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.

Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.

...Well, I never *liked* my state mandated school vaccinations that ensured that I would not catch mumps, measels, diptheria, rubella, TB, etc.,

;)


My state forces me to have car insurance if I want to drive.

Now I know how the Jews in Poland felt in the 1930's.
 
2012-07-01 12:05:13 PM

Mrtraveler01: My state forces me to have car insurance if I want to drive.

Now I know how the Jews in Poland felt in the 1930's.


Really? Mine, too!

Now I know how George Washington felt when he surrendered Fort Necessity to the French in 1754.
 
2012-07-01 12:06:14 PM

Mrtraveler01: It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.


On the bright side, every time one of these clueless ass nuggets dares to poke their head out, it gives me an excuse to post this:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-01 12:06:25 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.

If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.


I'm not an anarchist.

I simply believe that the institution We the People entrust with a monopoly on military and police force should be confined to military and police activities, and not use that power to compell people to live according to the rules of pull-peddlers who either can't thrive on their own productive merits, or who can't mind their own goddamned business.

I don't understand how anyone can trust an institution whose ultimate argument is not reason, bu instead "we've got the guns and prisons; do as we say ... or else."

Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

Your great political victory has been won at gunpoint.

Perhaps it's you who'd enjoy Somalia; there, you can get your way without the tedium of legislative process.
 
2012-07-01 12:07:31 PM

Mrtraveler01: KiplingKat872: DarwiOdrade: KiplingKat872: coeyagi: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Explain why I should trust the government to do this one thing right, despite the fact that everything else it does is corrupt.

Because you've done it before.

Hmm, let me think ...

No, I definitely never trusted the government, and have never been happy about anything it *made* me do.

I guess those turnpikes that cost money - you were never happy to pay your taxes or pay your toll.
i.e., you must have a flying Delorian

Yup, street maintance, traffic signals, building state and interstate highways. Then there is the FAA which guarntees that we have a far less chance of dying when we fly somewhere. The FDA which makes sure our food and drugs will not kill us. I'm looking at my dogs right now, both of which are fully vaccinated as per county law. We have leash laws in this city which ensure thousands of dogs are not just roaming loose.

Yeah, the government is really horrible.

Well, sure, the government does all these good things to protect people and improve commerce, but that doesn't mean you have to like them.

...Well, I never *liked* my state mandated school vaccinations that ensured that I would not catch mumps, measels, diptheria, rubella, TB, etc.,

;)

My state forces me to have car insurance if I want to drive.

Now I know how the Jews in Poland felt in the 1930's.


I lol'd.

+1 intranets.
 
2012-07-01 12:12:43 PM
Takes a lot for me to passionate hate someone; but this jabroni and the NH Tea Party just fulfilled that requirement. Congrats you asshat.

/fark the Tea Party
 
2012-07-01 12:13:39 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird: And republicans cheered.

My father had colon cancer, so this asshole can go fark himself with a broken bottle.

/He beat it too.


My dad is starting chemo for colon cancer on Tuesday. God willing he'll have the same good fortune yours did...
 
2012-07-01 12:14:29 PM

Lernaeus: Fluorescent Testicle: Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.

If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.

I'm not an anarchist.

I simply believe that the institution We the People entrust with a monopoly on military and police force should be confined to military and police activities, and not use that power to compell people to live according to the rules of pull-peddlers who either can't thrive on their own productive merits, or who can't mind their own goddamned business.

I don't understand how anyone can trust an institution whose ultimate argument is not reason, bu instead "we've got the guns and prisons; do as we say ... or else."

Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

Your great political victory has been won at gunpoint.

Perhaps it's you who'd enjoy Somalia; there, you can get your way without the tedium of legislative process.


That last part just made no sense.

Our political victory has been won by the proper legislative process.

Did you never see the "I'm Just a Bill" School House Rock?

Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.
 
2012-07-01 12:14:41 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.


Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.
 
2012-07-01 12:15:58 PM

DarwiOdrade: Mrtraveler01: My state forces me to have car insurance if I want to drive.

Now I know how the Jews in Poland felt in the 1930's.

Really? Mine, too!

Now I know how George Washington felt when he surrendered Fort Necessity to the French in 1754.


I love how Ft. Necessity is the size of a dorm suite, if that.
 
2012-07-01 12:21:07 PM

KiplingKat872: Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.


I have to laugh whenever I see these "rugged individualist" types complaining about the government over the internet that was developed at the taxpayer-funded Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, using electricity from the grid that was subsidized in-part by taxes.
 
2012-07-01 12:23:19 PM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.


If you actually break a law that is powerful enough to "ruin your life" because you were ignorant of it, you're an idiot.

Paying a fine for burning trash inside city limits when you did not know it was outlawed is not going to ruin your life.

But if you get sent to prison for dealing drugs and claim you didn't know it was against the law, everyone in the courtroom is going to call you the farking moran that you are.

If you haven't paid property taxes in 20 years and the IRS catches up to you, there is no excuse. Everyone knows homeowners pay property taxes.
 
2012-07-01 12:25:26 PM

DarwiOdrade: KiplingKat872: Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.

I have to laugh whenever I see these "rugged individualist" types complaining about the government over the internet that was developed at the taxpayer-funded Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, using electricity from the grid that was subsidized in-part by taxes.


Extactly.

I could not remember which agency it was that developed it.
 
2012-07-01 12:26:18 PM

Lernaeus: Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.


The fact you actually believe this makes me laugh and sad at the same time.
 
2012-07-01 12:26:37 PM

KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Fluorescent Testicle: Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.

If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.

I'm not an anarchist.

I simply believe that the institution We the People entrust with a monopoly on military and police force should be confined to military and police activities, and not use that power to compell people to live according to the rules of pull-peddlers who either can't thrive on their own productive merits, or who can't mind their own goddamned business.

I don't understand how anyone can trust an institution whose ultimate argument is not reason, bu instead "we've got the guns and prisons; do as we say ... or else."

Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

Your great political victory has been won at gunpoint.

Perhaps it's you who'd enjoy Somalia; there, you can get your way without the tedium of legislative process.

That last part just made no sense.

Our political victory has been won by the proper legislative process.

Did you never see the "I'm Just a Bill" School House Rock?

Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.


Yes, I know how a bill becomes law. I also know that it's a bad idea to:

(A) Lie about the bill's contents;
(B) Defend it on grounds that aren't Constitutional, and in spite of a clearly spelled-out explanation of the cited clause by its author(s);
(C) Force the bill through legislation despite massive opposition;
(D) Call it a "budget" bill, when it's clearly not one;
(E) Make privileged people exempt from it; and
(F) Encourage it's signing by politicians who don't read it.

As for those "perks" of "developed, first world nation(s)", they can exist and be beneficial aspects of modern civilization without the state controlling them. And the "dues" one pays for them should be voluntarily purchased in an open marketplace full of multiple options.
 
2012-07-01 12:27:40 PM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.


I hear Kroger is having a huge sale on tinfoil this weekend.

Publix may be having it too but I didn't look at the circular yet.
 
2012-07-01 12:27:44 PM

Supes: Bill Murray said I was weird: And republicans cheered.

My father had colon cancer, so this asshole can go fark himself with a broken bottle.

/He beat it too.

My dad is starting chemo for colon cancer on Tuesday. God willing he'll have the same good fortune yours did...


Best of luck to your dad. My mom beat colon cancer and I took care of her during chemo. A few words of advice. If he gets diarrhea from the chemo (I'm not sure everybody does) have him drink some Kefir everyday. That stuff was a life saver. It's great for replacing gut flora after the chemo kills it. Also, the chemo gave my mom arthritis (she never had it before) and a shot of apple cider vinegar in hot water everyday cleared it up. Again, best of luck.
 
2012-07-01 12:29:07 PM

Lernaeus: As for those "perks" of "developed, first world nation(s)", they can exist and be beneficial aspects of modern civilization without the state controlling them. And the "dues" one pays for them should be voluntarily purchased in an open marketplace full of multiple options.


I'm sure you have lots of examples of developed, first world nations where these perks exist without the state controlling them. Please post a list so we can all learn from their examples.
 
2012-07-01 12:29:15 PM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.


And all the "little dictators" you are so scared of in a government bueraucracy? Try living in a place with an ineffectual government with warlords controlling the countryside.
 
2012-07-01 12:30:55 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

The fact you actually believe this makes me laugh and sad at the same time.


Um, it's the LAW ... Y'know, the one we're talking about?

Tell me, what can I expect if I (A) don't buy the state-mandated insurance plan, or any other one, and (B) refuse to pay the tax for not doing so, or (C) lie to the IRS about having insurance?
 
2012-07-01 12:32:19 PM

Lernaeus: Tell me, what can I expect if I (A) don't buy the state-mandated insurance plan, or any other one, and (B) refuse to pay the tax for not doing so, or (C) lie to the IRS about having insurance?


You get arrested.

But to say those are fascist thug tactics is an incredibly stupid thing to say even by libertarian standards.
 
2012-07-01 12:32:24 PM
I wonder if this vitreol is going to have an impression on Roberts and maybe push him to the left. That would be funny.
 
2012-07-01 12:33:43 PM

KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.

And all the "little dictators" you are so scared of in a government bueraucracy? Try living in a place with an ineffectual government with warlords controlling the countryside.


No, thanks.

How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?
 
2012-07-01 12:34:47 PM

Lernaeus: KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Fluorescent Testicle: Lernaeus: Also, living my own f*cking life on my own f*cking terms is something I enjoy. At least, to the extent that I'm allowed by a paternalist state run by useless, skill-less people who have nothing to contribute outside of their worthless opinions on how other people should behave.

If you want to live in a libertarian paradise, I'd be happy to donate a one-way ticket to Somalia.

I'm not an anarchist.

I simply believe that the institution We the People entrust with a monopoly on military and police force should be confined to military and police activities, and not use that power to compell people to live according to the rules of pull-peddlers who either can't thrive on their own productive merits, or who can't mind their own goddamned business.

I don't understand how anyone can trust an institution whose ultimate argument is not reason, bu instead "we've got the guns and prisons; do as we say ... or else."

Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

Your great political victory has been won at gunpoint.

Perhaps it's you who'd enjoy Somalia; there, you can get your way without the tedium of legislative process.

That last part just made no sense.

Our political victory has been won by the proper legislative process.

Did you never see the "I'm Just a Bill" School House Rock?

Those taxes you decry allow you to be online right now whining about taxes. If you want to live in a developed, first world nation and enjoy it's perks, like public education, safe streets, disease not running rampant through the populace, etc. you pay your dues.

Yes, I know how a bill becomes law. I also know that it's a bad idea to:

(A) Lie about the bill's contents;
(B) Defend it on grounds that aren't Constitutional, and in spite of a clearly spelled-out explanation of the cited clause by its author(s);
(C) Force the bill through legislation despite massive opposition;
(D) Call it a "budget" bill, when it's clearly not one;
(E) Make privileged people exempt from it; and
(F) Encourage it's signing by politicians who don't read it.

As for those "perks" of "developed, first world nation(s)", they can exist and be beneficial aspects of modern civilization without the state controlling them. And the "dues" one pays for them should be voluntarily purchased in an open marketplace full of multiple options.


And stop whining about "lied about it's contents," A. The GOP pulls that shiat all the times, including the "Death Panels!" campaign against this bill. B. The bill was avaible for everyone to read, and something this high profile, you can bet they read it.

As for "forcing it through," they got the votes. Boo farking hoo. That's the way it works.

And what "privilaged people" are exempt?
 
2012-07-01 12:35:06 PM

Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


You mean fantasy?
 
2012-07-01 12:36:11 PM

Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


Again, I'm sure you have a long list of examples of such places you can share with us so we can all learn by their examples. Please post it.
 
2012-07-01 12:37:06 PM

Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Because, in the end, anyone who refuses to participate in the PPACA and pay the tax penalties for that refusal is subject to the same fascist thug tactics the IRS uses to deal with other tax evaders: fines, forfeiture of personal assets, and/or imprisonment.

The fact you actually believe this makes me laugh and sad at the same time.

Um, it's the LAW ... Y'know, the one we're talking about?

Tell me, what can I expect if I (A) don't buy the state-mandated insurance plan, or any other one, and (B) refuse to pay the tax for not doing so, or (C) lie to the IRS about having insurance?


(A) What state-mandated plan? Where do I sign up?
(B) The same thing that happens when you refuse to pay the tax for not taking out a loan to buy a primary home.
(C) The same thing that happens when you lie to the IRS about having a mortgage
 
2012-07-01 12:39:07 PM

DarwiOdrade: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

Again, I'm sure you have a long list of examples of such places you can share with us so we can all learn by their examples. Please post it.


He won't.

Because only naive people think a world like that can exist. In reality, we realize that there are assholes in the world. And unless those assholes are kept in check, they will just take advantage of people and the people being taken advantage can do nothing about it since they've got very little to protect them.

People need to realize that we live in a SOCIETY and that we're all in this together. Unless you live in a shack in the Colorado mountains.

Actually, with the wildfires going on there, people are depending on (you guessed it), the government to put out those fires for them.
 
2012-07-01 12:44:13 PM

KiplingKat872: hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.

I marched in two of the protests against the the invasion of Iraq, had a political blog, albeit one that did not get much attention, speaking out against the Bush administration, and apologized to people in other countries when we could not defeat the massive derpitude running rampant in this country in 2004.

So even by your self-righteous standards, which seem to bypass that whole "free speech" thing, I have earned the right to speak in favor of this ruling.

Just because you sat on your arse for eight years, that doesn't mean we all did.


You did more than I did. With actions. Good for you, sincerely.
 
2012-07-01 12:45:29 PM

Lernaeus: KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.

And all the "little dictators" you are so scared of in a government bueraucracy? Try living in a place with an ineffectual government with warlords controlling the countryside.

No, thanks.

How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


How do you plan on doing that with no streets, state, or interstate highways?

If one of your shipping trucks gets hit by a drunk driver with no insurance, are you prepared to just eat that loss?

If your kid gets diptheria in school because vaccinations are not mandated, are you prepared to pay for their medical care out of pocket?

Do you have any idea what medical care costs in this country? You want to talk about "ruining one's life?" Trying paying for an operation and subsequent radiation/chemo treatments.

My sister and her husband both have well-paying jobs and are fully insured. She had a very rough delivery of their first child. She told me even with their insurance, it would take them a year to pay off the medical bills.

Now imagine a Walmart employee facing those bills with no insurance to help them.

That is a life ruined.
 
2012-07-01 12:48:12 PM

hinten: KiplingKat872: hinten: What I find interesting is that this has been going on since 9/11. No, really. All the xenophobic, racist, pseudo-patriotic, marginalizing of otherness was right there.
All you Farkers now claiming to be superior to these mouth breathers were nowhere to be found back then.
Where were you when the majority of Americans voted for Bush? Twice?
Where were you when any voice expressing doubt about the general wisdom of the day was slapped down was called out?
Now, that the tide seems to be turning and the crazies are being marginalized and you are in the majority, you're suddenly tough enough and stand up to what has been going on for years. My, how tough we are.

I marched in two of the protests against the the invasion of Iraq, had a political blog, albeit one that did not get much attention, speaking out against the Bush administration, and apologized to people in other countries when we could not defeat the massive derpitude running rampant in this country in 2004.

So even by your self-righteous standards, which seem to bypass that whole "free speech" thing, I have earned the right to speak in favor of this ruling.

Just because you sat on your arse for eight years, that doesn't mean we all did.

You did more than I did. With actions. Good for you, sincerely.


Pax. :)
 
2012-07-01 12:53:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

You mean fantasy?


He means Eldorado:

Up a seashell mountain,
Across a primrose sea,
To a jungle fountain
High up in a tree;
Then down a primrose mountain
Across a seashell sea
To a land of happy people
Just and kind and bold and free.
CHORUS: to Eldorado, to Eldorado.
They bathe each dawn in a golden lake,
Emeralds hang upon the vine.
All is there for all to take,
Food and god and books and wine.
They have no words for fear and greed,
For lies and war, revenge and rage.
They sing and dance and think and read.
They live in peace and die of age.
CHORUS: in Eldorado, in Eldorado.
 
2012-07-01 01:13:20 PM

Lorelle: born_yesterday: From what I understand, he's fairly certain God told him to do it. You know, because he's so righteous.

Oh, of course.

This puzzled me for a moment...

I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment .

...until I read the comments. Apparently he meant MRSA.

/won't be surprised to see that on Teabagger protest signs in the future


As someone who has been fighting "mercer" and just lost more foot to the bone infection that won't go away I would like to tell Mike Malzone that he is free to EABOD and DIAF.

Seriously, fark him in his stupid ass face. Fark him hard and go in dry.
 
2012-07-01 01:27:09 PM
That facebook page is on a post deletin' frenzy. Heh.
 
2012-07-01 01:34:21 PM

bgddy24601: Lorelle: born_yesterday: From what I understand, he's fairly certain God told him to do it. You know, because he's so righteous.

Oh, of course.

This puzzled me for a moment...

I hope the ( 5 supreme s) get colon cancer,and then get mercer after their treatment .

...until I read the comments. Apparently he meant MRSA.

/won't be surprised to see that on Teabagger protest signs in the future

As someone who has been fighting "mercer" and just lost more foot to the bone infection that won't go away I would like to tell Mike Malzone that he is free to EABOD and DIAF.

Seriously, fark him in his stupid ass face. Fark him hard and go in dry.


Damn. I hope things go better for you soon.
 
2012-07-01 01:43:32 PM

Lernaeus: KiplingKat872: Lernaeus: Mrtraveler01: Lernaeus: Look, the government is not some benevolent gathering of altruistic idealists seeking to make a better world for you and me by passing laws that are in our collective interests. That's the sales pitch, but you're buying a bill of goods.

It's also not an evil sinister entity that tries to control every aspect of our lives like the sales pitch that you're trying to sell to us as well.

Like others have said, you deal with government in your lives every day whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. So you can drop the BS, "I'm my own man, I don't depend on the government for nuthin' " narrative that the libertarians are always trying to push on us.

It's funny, but it gets old after a while debunking that all the time.

Perhaps it's not the Legion of Doom ... But it is a breeding ground for thousands of little dictators that *do* collectively control every aspect of one's life. We all live under layers of laws at multiple jurisdictions, any one of which we can break without even knowing we did it (remember, ignorance of a million volumes of vaguely-worded law only an attorney you can't afford can understand is no excuse!), and the maximum penalties harsh enough to ruin one's life.

Add to that corrupt, militia-trained cops that act with complete impunity and I-don't-like-your-hippie-face judges and you've got real cause to be concerned at the massive power the state has.

And all the "little dictators" you are so scared of in a government bueraucracy? Try living in a place with an ineffectual government with warlords controlling the countryside.

No, thanks.

How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


Now I know you are probably typing furiously to your facebook pals about us socialist libtards over here on Fark that love big government, but let me disabuse you of some notions you have.

You are correct that there are some corrupt, villainous scum inhabiting our government. We get that. Most of us call them Republicans.

Liberals (at least the ones I know) do not love "big" government. But we also do not have a raging hardon for "small" government either. We would like effective government. The size is not relevant. "Small" government gave us things like slavery, segregation, the great depression, and the almost second great depression. Bigger government gave us things like social security, medicare, clean food and water and air, electricity, the internet, civil rights laws, an interstate highway system, a space program, etc. Prohibition of both alcohol and drugs are two examples where bigger government has overreached, but I'd say in general the balance sheet overwhelmingly favors more regulation (bigger govt) over less (smaller govt).

I hope this helps you understand reality a little bit better.
 
2012-07-01 01:53:40 PM

Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


Where the sun is always shining and the air smells like warm root beer?
And the towels are oh so fluffy?
Where the shriners and the lepers play their ukuleles all day long?
And anyone on the street will glady shave your back for a nickel?

/wacka wacka doodoo yeah
 
2012-07-01 02:02:53 PM

bgddy24601: As someone who has been fighting "mercer" and just lost more foot to the bone infection that won't go away I would like to tell Mike Malzone that he is free to EABOD and DIAF.


I am so sorry to hear that. :(

/not the EABOD and DIAF part, though
 
2012-07-01 02:21:05 PM

Tor_Eckman: "Small" government gave us things like slavery, segregation, the great depression, and the almost second great depression.


Not to mention the recent deluge of laws against gay rights ("Small government" intruding into the Equal Protection Clause) and abortion ("Small government" intruding into Roe v. Wade).
 
2012-07-01 02:24:27 PM
Don't worry folks, fostering hyperbolic, vitriolic rhetoric is just harmless politics. There's no way it could result in people becoming so deranged that they actually start believing that health care reform is on par with a brutal, repressive regime taking over our government.

People are too smart to fall for that.
 
2012-07-01 02:24:43 PM
Well if they do at least now they wouldn't have to worry about being denied coverage, and dying without any recourse.

Just sayin

Hypnozombie
 
2012-07-01 02:43:54 PM

Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?


That was the idea

Fluorescent Testicle: Not to mention the recent deluge of laws against gay rights ("Small government" intruding into the Equal Protection Clause) and abortion ("Small government" intruding into Roe v. Wade).


Big government is responsible for the erosion of gay rights. Think about it. Without a vast and expansive tax code full of preferences and penalties for various groups, there is no reason for the state to define marriage. Two people can walk into a courthouse and merge property, assets as well as willing assets to each other upon death. If everyone paid a percentage of their income regardless of whether or not they had a mortgage, kids, spouse, student loan, or solar panels on their freaking roof then gay marriage wouldn't be an issue. Of course, this also involves the government getting out of the way of private transactions such as companies hiring individuals and their selection of healthcare.

Jorn the Younger: Medical treatment is a finite resource?

Is that really the argument we're going with now?


The Medical industry, like all others is constrained by the means people have to afford the services. With the already sick now covered, lifetime coverage caps lifted and more services offered by fiat, there had better be an injection of capital into the healthcare market to offset the inevitable cost increases. You can either:

-Raise taxes/costs on the young and healthy to pay for the unwell
- print money and pay doctors with it,
- borrow money and pay doctors with it
-ration care
-de-fund other areas of healthcare like research and device manufacture.
- Or the de-factor raise taxes on the 1% which seems to be the progressive solution for everything.

If I missed something, feel free to correct.
 
2012-07-01 03:03:02 PM

o5iiawah: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

That was the idea


Oh good - Lernaeus wasn't able to come up with any such place so that we could learn by their example, so he ran away. I'm sure you have an extensive list of such places you can share with us. We're all eagerly waiting.
 
2012-07-01 03:05:09 PM

DarwiOdrade: o5iiawah: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

That was the idea

Oh good - Lernaeus wasn't able to come up with any such place so that we could learn by their example, so he ran away. I'm sure you have an extensive list of such places you can share with us. We're all eagerly waiting.


i2.listal.com
 
2012-07-01 03:07:42 PM
These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.
 
2012-07-01 03:11:28 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.


Not going to ignore you, we'll keep working you until you realize that BSAB but one side is worse. The GOP doesn't have to be. They chose to be. Even your own called it:

2.bp.blogspot.com

And until the GOP electorate stops following the party of the reactionary cliff of shiat REAGAN wouldn't approve of 30 years ago, you get stereotyped because you have almost no moderates left in the party.

You have.... f*cking David Frum. THAT's IT. And sometimes George Will.
 
2012-07-01 03:39:59 PM

o5iiawah: Lernaeus: How about living in a place where criminals are kept at bay, but the state leaves people alone to live and trade with each other in peace?

That was the idea

Fluorescent Testicle: Not to mention the recent deluge of laws against gay rights ("Small government" intruding into the Equal Protection Clause) and abortion ("Small government" intruding into Roe v. Wade).

Big government is responsible for the erosion of gay rights. Think about it. Without a vast and expansive tax code full of preferences and penalties for various groups, there is no reason for the state to define marriage. Two people can walk into a courthouse and merge property, assets as well as willing assets to each other upon death. If everyone paid a percentage of their income regardless of whether or not they had a mortgage, kids, spouse, student loan, or solar panels on their freaking roof then gay marriage wouldn't be an issue. Of course, this also involves the government getting out of the way of private transactions such as companies hiring individuals and their selection of healthcare.

Jorn the Younger: Medical treatment is a finite resource?

Is that really the argument we're going with now?

The Medical industry, like all others is constrained by the means people have to afford the services. With the already sick now covered, lifetime coverage caps lifted and more services offered by fiat, there had better be an injection of capital into the healthcare market to offset the inevitable cost increases. You can either:

-Raise taxes/costs on the young and healthy to pay for the unwell
- print money and pay doctors with it,
- borrow money and pay doctors with it
-ration care
-de-fund other areas of healthcare like research and device manufacture.
- Or the de-factor raise taxes on the 1% which seems to be the progressive solution for everything.

If I missed something, feel free to correct.


But the other side of your first argument is to eliminate the civil rights act and any anti-discrimination laws. A business owner can refuse to hire or serve someone based on their sexual orientation, religion, or skin tone. Without "big government," a lot of places would still become "WASP Heteros Only, Men First."

I think that getting the government out of marriage is an idea worth exploring, though a host of new laws would have to be implemented to cover child custody and property rights, etc.

But "big government" protects the rights of minorities when the "free market" won't.

And medical services are constrained by the cost of those services. Do you think MRI's are cheap? Surgeons could cost less to train if we had 100% state funded universities, but we don't so they cost about $100,000 to $150,000.

So it's not simply a matter of "what the market will bear."

The problem with the system we have is the amount of money that is eaten up insurance administrative costs, something this law addressed.
 
2012-07-01 03:51:32 PM

Hobodeluxe: Relatively Obscure: He deleted his old post and replaced it with this:

At this time I am publicly retracting the statements I made concerning the Supreme Court in the wake of their verdict regarding health care.
I am retracting them because they do not reflect my true feelings about the Supreme Court Justices. They were made in the heat of the moment fueled by anger and frustration. I vented my anger without thinking and the result were hurtful remarks which I didn't believe then and don't believe now. I do not wish anything bad on the Supreme Court Justices or anyone else and never have. I deeply regret my inability to properly convey my frustration or control my anger. My behavior was wrong and inexcusable. I take 100% responsibility for my actions and realize I am accountable for them.
I believe the Supreme Court's verdict was incorrect and will bestow excessive taxation and hardship to millions of Americans but instead of explaining why they were wrong, I through my thoughtless statements, provided fodder for those who oppose the Tea Party. My words were mine alone and in no way representative of the Tea Party. I deeply regret that my actions will be used to attack individuals who work so hard to ensure that the values of the framers of the constitution continue to be adhered to and followed. The members of the Tea Party are thoughtful caring individuals I am sorry that my thoughtless words are being used to weave everyone one together but I am sure we will persevere because the Tea Party Message is consistent with the visions of the founders of our country.
This is my final statement on the issue. You can't unring a bell and I will move forward. I am humbled and have learned a valuable lesson. In the future I will use better judgment and will continue to work hard to preserve the values and principles of our constitution.

Michael Malzone
Merrimack NH


Well, it's not the worst political apology I've read, anyway.

I'm guessing his lawyer typed that up for him ...


Oh, wow. Yeah, it doesn't take a literary critic to tell that the person who wrote the first one did not write the second.
 
2012-07-01 03:55:46 PM
That's another point too: The government protects children through laws against abuse and child labor.

The government is not perfect, the people in it are far from perfect, but I would far rather have the government we have involved then have the decriminatory, uncaring, dog eat dog world libertarians suggest.
 
2012-07-01 03:57:11 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.


You say "of late" yet I have been a regular here for the past four years and I don't remember ever seeing you before the last few days.

Why is that?
 
2012-07-01 04:00:35 PM

KiplingKat872: Damn. I hope things go better for you soon.


Lorelle: I am so sorry to hear that. :(


Thanks. It has been a rough few years. Coma and about 15 surgeries now. I was told recently that I have now lost enough foot that reconstruction surgery is next in line, once we are sure that the infection has been fully cut out. Of course, Percocet helps :P

I have taken to calling it my Civil War Weight Loss Program. Of course I have been pumped so full of meds and antibiotics that I am now bloated to over 100 lbs heavier than I ever had been. It is tough to work out when you can't use your legs and you keep getting nauseous.

I miss scotch.
 
2012-07-01 04:07:06 PM

Tor_Eckman: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.

You say "of late" yet I have been a regular here for the past four years and I don't remember ever seeing you before the last few days.

Why is that?


I lurk more than post, generally. You'll usually find me in deer hunting threads--which, IMHO, there aren't nearly enough of.
 
2012-07-01 04:20:26 PM

parkthebus: Tor_Eckman: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.

You say "of late" yet I have been a regular here for the past four years and I don't remember ever seeing you before the last few days.

Why is that?

I lurk more than post, generally. You'll usually find me in deer hunting threads--which, IMHO, there aren't nearly enough of.


I hope you add something of value to those threads. You just spew the same old debunked, right-wing nutjob derp over here.

Feel free to add me to your list now.
 
2012-07-01 04:41:05 PM
These threads are the best way to separate the decent human beings from the scum who don't give a shiat about their fellow man.
 
2012-07-01 04:42:18 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to.


You're certainly welcome to provide examples when they are not doing one of those 3 things you mentioned.

I'm guessing you can't, though.
 
2012-07-01 04:46:23 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.


When all we hear from your side is how they keep trying to treat women, homosexuals, minorities, and the poor and homeless as sub-human, throwing science and history out of school in favor of creationism and Bible study, and wanting to turn America into a Christian theocracy, what else are we supposed to think?

Maybe not all Republicans are insane, but the ones who are have the voice and power. Maybe you and your more-sane comrades should do something about them.
 
2012-07-01 04:55:14 PM

whidbey: You're certainly welcome to provide examples when they are not doing one of those 3 things you mentioned.


To be fair, sometimes they sleep for a few hours.
 
2012-07-01 05:00:19 PM

Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.


Do you already have health insurance?

Then you're NOT BEING FORCED to do anything, are you?

And if you don't, then why have you not opted to do so before now?
 
2012-07-01 05:06:55 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Do you already have health insurance?

Then you're NOT BEING FORCED to do anything, are you?

And if you don't, then why have you not opted to do so before now?


I'm guessing it's because although health care isn't a right, he HAS the right to make the system more expensive for everyone else. Because that's freedom, buddy.

It's MY choice to be an uninsured f*ck-up.

*Red White And Blue Eagle Fireworks*
 
2012-07-01 05:35:20 PM

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: Lernaeus: Explain to me why I should be happy about getting forced to do something against my will.

Do you already have health insurance?

Then you're NOT BEING FORCED to do anything, are you?

And if you don't, then why have you not opted to do so before now?

I'm guessing it's because although health care isn't a right, he HAS the right to make the system more expensive for everyone else. Because that's freedom, buddy.

It's MY choice to be an uninsured f*ck-up.

*Red White And Blue Eagle Fireworks*


Oh, right. My bad.

Sparkly eagle w/tear.
 
2012-07-01 06:20:37 PM

wyltoknow: With regards to wishing cancer on members of the nation's highest court, Malzone told the Patch that he's not a hateful person

i think I would respect these hideous human beings more if they could at least just own up to their own crap. Look buddy, it's right there in black-and-white. You wished colon cancer on people. This is not the wish of a sane, logical, loving man. It is a hateful, spiteful thing to say. You god damn coward.


And Julianne Malveaux wished Clarence Thomas a speedy death from heart disease. Nina Totenberg thought retributive justice for Jesse Helms would be for him to contract AIDS. Ed Schultz wished Rush Limbaugh would be taken by the Lord. Sean Penn hoped his critics would die screaming from rectal cancer. Dan Savage, gay sex advice columnist, wished Republicans "were all f**king dead". Welcome to modern American political debate.
 
2012-07-01 07:03:12 PM
Here is the latest Trump-Koch Borthers propaganda that's making it around the Facebook walls of the pants-on-the-head retarded regressives I know:

farm8.staticflickr.com

When i see shiat like this it shows that the person posting it has a fundamental lack of understanding that the PPACA was passed so we could go from a country with no healthcare system except for the elderly, veterans and workers with good benefits to a country that has KIND of a healthcare system.

Respondig with the Politifact debunking of this lie usually does no good but here it is anyway:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/11/chain -e mail/64000-question-e-mail-says-congress-exempt-health-/

Nobody is exempted from the "Health Care Reform Plan". It AMAZES me that so many red-staters firmly believe that PPACA created some evil-shadowy government health-plan that evrybody will be forced to join.

When I point out that the PPACA simply says that if you can afford to buy PRIVATE health insurance then you have to buy it. This was the Republican "personal responsibility" Mandate idea to eliminate free-riders that that the Republicans were pushing until the exact second that Obama supported it. Then it became an EEEEVIL gub'mint take over of the health-care system.

Maybe if a few states go single-payer the rest of the country will start to see that is the better way to go.

If ll else fails I like responding with this baby:

farm9.staticflickr.com

And I never get tired of this one as well:

farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-01 07:12:19 PM

acefox1: Here is the latest Trump-Koch Borthers propaganda that's making it around the Facebook walls of the pants-on-the-head retarded regressives I know:

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x524]

When i see shiat like this it shows that the person posting it has a fundamental lack of understanding that the PPACA was passed so we could go from a country with no healthcare system except for the elderly, veterans and workers with good benefits to a country that has KIND of a healthcare system.

Respondig with the Politifact debunking of this lie usually does no good but here it is anyway:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/11/chain -e mail/64000-question-e-mail-says-congress-exempt-health-/

Nobody is exempted from the "Health Care Reform Plan". It AMAZES me that so many red-staters firmly believe that PPACA created some evil-shadowy government health-plan that evrybody will be forced to join.

When I point out that the PPACA simply says that if you can afford to buy PRIVATE health insurance then you have to buy it. This was the Republican "personal responsibility" Mandate idea to eliminate free-riders that that the Republicans were pushing until the exact second that Obama supported it. Then it became an EEEEVIL gub'mint take over of the health-care system.

Maybe if a few states go single-payer the rest of the country will start to see that is the better way to go.

If ll else fails I like responding with this baby:

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 320x240]

And I never get tired of this one as well:

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 500x500]


I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that there are people out there who don't want health insurance. WHY THE F*CK NOT?!?!?
 
2012-07-01 07:37:34 PM
Keizer_Ghidorah:

Maybe not all Republicans are insane, but the ones who are have the voice and power. Maybe you and your more-sane comrades should do something about them.

Therein lies the problem. Either side can trot out crazies which represent a tiny percentage of our respective political sides. The media, of course, puts this stuff out front and center and we eat it up and spit it back righteously on threads like this. I suppose it's just plain poetic that we see this constantly on Fark threads. It fits in pretty darn well with the reason why this website started in the first place.

If any of us (either side) had a lick of sense we'd knock off the sterotyping and be a lot more understanding and civil.
 
2012-07-01 07:43:32 PM

parkthebus: Keizer_Ghidorah:

Maybe not all Republicans are insane, but the ones who are have the voice and power. Maybe you and your more-sane comrades should do something about them.

Therein lies the problem. Either side can trot out crazies which represent a tiny percentage of our respective political sides. The media, of course, puts this stuff out front and center and we eat it up and spit it back righteously on threads like this. I suppose it's just plain poetic that we see this constantly on Fark threads. It fits in pretty darn well with the reason why this website started in the first place.

If any of us (either side) had a lick of sense we'd knock off the sterotyping and be a lot more understanding and civil.


Except your "crazies" are the primary drivers of your party. They are not just front, they are center. Voted into power by a constituency that is either as crazy as they are, or blind "straight ticket" sheep. Either one or the other. No true classic small government, fiscal conservative wants anything to do with the Republican Party anymore.
 
2012-07-01 07:44:37 PM

Gyrfalcon: acefox1: Here is the latest Trump-Koch Borthers propaganda that's making it around the Facebook walls of the pants-on-the-head retarded regressives I know:

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x524]

When i see shiat like this it shows that the person posting it has a fundamental lack of understanding that the PPACA was passed so we could go from a country with no healthcare system except for the elderly, veterans and workers with good benefits to a country that has KIND of a healthcare system.

Respondig with the Politifact debunking of this lie usually does no good but here it is anyway:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/11/chain -e mail/64000-question-e-mail-says-congress-exempt-health-/

Nobody is exempted from the "Health Care Reform Plan". It AMAZES me that so many red-staters firmly believe that PPACA created some evil-shadowy government health-plan that evrybody will be forced to join.

When I point out that the PPACA simply says that if you can afford to buy PRIVATE health insurance then you have to buy it. This was the Republican "personal responsibility" Mandate idea to eliminate free-riders that that the Republicans were pushing until the exact second that Obama supported it. Then it became an EEEEVIL gub'mint take over of the health-care system.

Maybe if a few states go single-payer the rest of the country will start to see that is the better way to go.

If ll else fails I like responding with this baby:

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 320x240]

And I never get tired of this one as well:

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 500x500]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that there are people out there who don't want health insurance. WHY THE F*CK NOT?!?!?


Because it's GOVERNMENT!!, and GOVERNMENT!! is evil! Plus it's DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL GOVERNMENT!!, so it's trying to destroy them and all they hold dear! And it benefits everybody, not just and only them, so it's TERRIBLE!! "I have to pay small amounts of money so my fellow Americans can stay safe and healthy?! EVIL LIBERALS SUCKING ME DRY AND LETTING ALL THE LAZY FREELOADERS LIVE OFF MY HARD-EARNED CASH!!!!"

"Uh, your side proposed the exact same thing a few years ago-"

EEEEEEEEEVIL DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AFTER MY MONEY!!!1!1one!!1"
 
2012-07-01 07:47:18 PM

parkthebus: Keizer_Ghidorah:

Maybe not all Republicans are insane, but the ones who are have the voice and power. Maybe you and your more-sane comrades should do something about them.

Therein lies the problem. Either side can trot out crazies which represent a tiny percentage of our respective political sides. The media, of course, puts this stuff out front and center and we eat it up and spit it back righteously on threads like this. I suppose it's just plain poetic that we see this constantly on Fark threads. It fits in pretty darn well with the reason why this website started in the first place.

If any of us (either side) had a lick of sense we'd knock off the sterotyping and be a lot more understanding and civil.


Here's the difference: liberals generally try to keep their crazies sat down and shut up. Conservatives vote them into positions of power and cheer for them.
 
2012-07-01 09:07:39 PM

Kevin72: My mother died of colon cancer when I was 15, so it really hurts that there exists a person so low as to wish colon cancer on anyone, let alone people who are championing the very health care that could give early detection to colon cancer.


Speaking as someone whom:

a) Has had several family members with colon cancer, one of whom died of it before I was ever born
b) Has had precancerous polyps removed (fortunately before they got to the point of frank colon cancer) thanks to discovery on a colonoscopy
c) Pretty much has explicitly told my gastroenterologist that I was very reluctant to get genetic screening for what is (very probably) Lynch syndrome until I was sure Obamacare would pass Supreme Court muster AND that the part banning insurance companies from dropping you for "pre-existing conditions" stayed intact (so I could at least keep getting the colonoscopies)...
d) Has had similar conversations with other doctors about screening for genes linked to hereditary diabetes syndromes (affecting pretty much my entire maternal side of the family and including cases of adult-onset type I--in our case, it's not on account of being fatty-boombaladdys, the adult-onset type I diabetics in the family tend to be the skinny ones) due to similar fear of losing coverage if/when my genetics rolled snake eyes
e) Having spent the last week in the farking hospital with my significant other whom was quite ill with an infection that there was a real concern could have been MRSA
f) Still has this worry in the back of my head that someday the insurance might not want to pay for $200 of asthma meds a month, even if it keeps me from paying about as much in doctor's visits and other prescriptions monthly

...let's just say this is one of the times I hope that the Wiccans are right about there being some threefold law where everything you wish to someone (positive or negative) comes back three times. :P

As for me...ironically, I found out that Obamacare has passed constitutional muster just after getting out of the gastroenterologist and upon visiting the SO in the hospital right across the walkway...I literally wept with happy because that took a very, very serious load off my mind.

/And as to y'all who think I should be bootstrappy...Show me where I can get a genetic engineering kit and/or the ability to choose my parents' genetics prior to conception, and we'll work on that bootstrappy. :D Otherwise, keep farking that chicken, because pretty much all of the medical Damocles' swords that hang over my head are the result of genetic diseases I can't really do Jack and Shiat about other than preventative screening, living as if I HAD the conditions (for the shiat that hasn't yet manifested), and paying a usurious amount a month for medications that allow me to breathe and keep me out of the emergency room.
//Have I mentioned that pretty much I always spend a goodly chunk of the year in a lovely deductible hole where I pay the full cost of medical crap despite having insurance?
///And thank goodness I have insurance through the SO; I suspect just from the asthma alone I'd be considered uninsurable pre-Obamacare
////2014 Cannot. Come. Fast. Enough
 
2012-07-01 10:01:59 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Because it's GOVERNMENT!!, and GOVERNMENT!! is evil! Plus it's DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL GOVERNMENT!!, so it's trying to destroy them and all they hold dear! And it benefits everybody, not just and only them, so it's TERRIBLE!! "I have to pay small amounts of money so my fellow Americans can stay safe and healthy?! EVIL LIBERALS SUCKING ME DRY AND LETTING ALL THE LAZY FREELOADERS LIVE OFF MY HARD-EARNED CASH!!!!"

"Uh, your side proposed the exact same thing a few years ago-"

EEEEEEEEEVIL DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AFTER MY MONEY!!!1!1one!!1"



Oh, okay. I knew there was a rational reason.

/+ one, still giggling.
 
2012-07-01 10:02:36 PM

jjorsett: wyltoknow: With regards to wishing cancer on members of the nation's highest court, Malzone told the Patch that he's not a hateful person

i think I would respect these hideous human beings more if they could at least just own up to their own crap. Look buddy, it's right there in black-and-white. You wished colon cancer on people. This is not the wish of a sane, logical, loving man. It is a hateful, spiteful thing to say. You god damn coward.

And Julianne Malveaux wished Clarence Thomas a speedy death from heart disease. Nina Totenberg thought retributive justice for Jesse Helms would be for him to contract AIDS. Ed Schultz wished Rush Limbaugh would be taken by the Lord. Sean Penn hoped his critics would die screaming from rectal cancer. Dan Savage, gay sex advice columnist, wished Republicans "were all f**king dead". Welcome to modern American political debate.


Translation: Our good, christian, republican hatred of everyone else is justified! Yours isn't!
 
2012-07-01 10:03:57 PM

parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to.


Ok, then where are the non-evil, not-racist and non-stupid Republicans? Degree of difficulty: in elected office, voting on laws and actually making a difference. You personally might be a great person but the people you're electing to office are lunatics.

If that puts me on your ignore list? I'll just have to muddle through somehow.
 
2012-07-01 11:49:44 PM

The Why Not Guy: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to.

Ok, then where are the non-evil, not-racist and non-stupid Republicans? Degree of difficulty: in elected office, voting on laws and actually making a difference. You personally might be a great person but the people you're electing to office are lunatics.


Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention to national politicians to create a bibliography for you. I know a few local (non-lunatic) Republicans in small offices, whom I've worked with in jobs that were unrelated to politics--but I don't think anyone outside of my immediate geographical area would know who they are. It is the broad-brushing I object too. The constant evil/racist/stupid refrain is no different than any other ignorant stereotype.
 
2012-07-02 12:22:42 AM

coeyagi: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to. Politics are far more diverse and nuanced than that and neither side helps with stereotypes. I was welcomed to Fark a long time ago so I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed. Sure, go ahead and ignore me too.

Not going to ignore you, we'll keep working you until you realize that BSAB but one side is worse. The GOP doesn't have to be. They chose to be. Even your own called it:

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And until the GOP electorate stops following the party of the reactionary cliff of shiat REAGAN wouldn't approve of 30 years ago, you get stereotyped because you have almost no moderates left in the party.

You have.... f*cking David Frum. THAT's IT. And sometimes George Will.


I like that Goldwater quote, but it only tells half the story. It's not just that the religious cannot compromise. The Church is interested in maintaining the status quo. When they're in charge, they like to keep things that way, and progress is squelched. Remember the Dark Ages? That's what happens when the Church runs things. It was only when people started learning and exploring on their own, against the will of the Church, that we moved towards Enlighenment.

Because the Church is the Christian church*and Christianity is a slave religion. Put up with your miserable lot in life, working not for your own benefit but for the benefit of your masters, and you'll be rewarded with a paradise after you die. (No, really, we promise. No, we can't prove it. Believe it anyway) and that really only works when people are dumb, scared, and miserable. And this is why we have seen the Republican party become, under the influence of the religious, not Conservative but Regressive. They want to drag this country backwards, back to a time when the Church had more power.

That shouldn't be allowed to happen. America isn't perfect, but all things considered, it's pretty awesome. But to remain awesome, it needs to be able to adapt to an ever changing world. If the Church runs things, it wont- it will stagnate and die.

I'm not anti-conservative. Conservatives serve as an important balance against Progressives, to ensure that growth happens at a managed pace, at a rate people can handle. I'm anti-regressive.

And many who call themselves Republicans complain about being painted with the brush of derpitude, who maintain that not all Republicans are like that. Yes they are. If you're not like the rest of them, you're not a Republican anymore, the party left you behind on its march to far right extremest regressivism, but since you're all caught up in the team sport that Politics has devolved into, you can't imagine that you now have more in common philosophically and politically with Moderate Democrats because they're the "other team" or even the "bad guys"

Governing is not a team sport, and when it's treated like one, when politicians "play to win" everybody loses.

*though in other parts of the world it's the Islamic church, which is basically the same thing, with different window dressing and less subtle brainwashing techniques

/Sorry, kind of went off on a bit of a rant there
 
2012-07-02 12:25:03 AM

parkthebus: The Why Not Guy: parkthebus: These political threads of late are really filling my ignore list. Anyone broad-brushing all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid isn't worth listening to.

Ok, then where are the non-evil, not-racist and non-stupid Republicans? Degree of difficulty: in elected office, voting on laws and actually making a difference. You personally might be a great person but the people you're electing to office are lunatics.

Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention to national politicians to create a bibliography for you. I know a few local (non-lunatic) Republicans in small offices, whom I've worked with in jobs that were unrelated to politics--but I don't think anyone outside of my immediate geographical area would know who they are. It is the broad-brushing I object too. The constant evil/racist/stupid refrain is no different than any other ignorant stereotype.


Here's a thought: Pay more attention to what the voice of the modern Republican party is saying, and consider maybe you're not a Republican anymore.
 
2012-07-02 12:46:51 AM
[creeps into thread to /tailhug bgddy24601 and Great Porn Dragon]

[creeps back out]
 
2012-07-02 12:52:33 AM

parkthebus: Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention


Well, there's your problem.
 
2012-07-02 01:34:40 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: parkthebus: Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention

Well, there's your problem.


Needs to be a bumper sticker.
 
2012-07-02 02:10:52 AM

parkthebus: Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention to national politicians


Perhaps you should start before whining that my portrayal of national level GOP lawmakers is unfair.
 
2012-07-02 03:31:14 AM

Jorn the Younger: Pay more attention to what the voice of the modern Republican party is saying, and consider maybe you're not a Republican anymore.


I don't know - his "I admit I know nothing about the topic but I won't let that stop me from taking whatever position is opposite what the Libs say" routine is textbook Republican.
 
2012-07-02 07:41:36 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: parkthebus: Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention

Well, there's your problem.


Gee, I feel like a misquoted politician now. The point of my statement was that I can't collate a bunch of names for you as I don't pay overmuch attention to national politicians. It doesn't mean I don't pay attention locally, which is the arena where I'm more likely to make a difference.

What I object to is the broad-brush stereotyping of all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid.
 
2012-07-02 07:43:11 AM

parkthebus: What I object to is the broad-brush stereotyping of all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid.


Maybe if Republicans stopped reinforcing the stereotype everyday, then they might not be labeled as such.
 
2012-07-02 08:16:44 AM

parkthebus: Keizer_Ghidorah: parkthebus: Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention

Well, there's your problem.

Gee, I feel like a misquoted politician now. The point of my statement was that I can't collate a bunch of names for you as I don't pay overmuch attention to national politicians. It doesn't mean I don't pay attention locally, which is the arena where I'm more likely to make a difference.

What I object to is the broad-brush stereotyping of all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid.


If you don't want to be painted by that brush, you need to stop calling yourself a Republican, because that's who the Republicans are now. I'm not saying that's you, I'm saying they took that name away from you. It belongs to them now.

You don't have to become a democrat, but if you don't want to be associated with stupid evil racists, you should stop associating yourself with them.
 
2012-07-02 08:44:00 AM

themindiswatching: As someone who's had family members die from cancer, fark you.


Awwwwww don't cry!
 
2012-07-02 09:26:50 AM

TIKIMAN87: themindiswatching: As someone who's had family members die from cancer, fark you.

Awwwwww don't cry!


Thaaaaaat's it. *plonk*
 
2012-07-02 10:28:26 AM

Great Porn Dragon: //Have I mentioned that pretty much I always spend a goodly chunk of the year in a lovely deductible hole where I pay the full cost of medical crap despite having insurance?
///And thank goodness I have insurance through the SO; I suspect just from the asthma alone I'd be considered uninsurable pre-Obamacare
////2014 Cannot. Come. Fast. Enough


1) I am right there with you. $3000 combined for Wifey and me, not $1500 each
2) Shiatty insurance is still insurance, I guess
3) Amen. I just want to last long enough for the good stuff to kick in

/Saying a prayer for you and your SO.
 
2012-07-02 11:29:31 AM

parkthebus: Gee, I feel like a misquoted politician now.


Who misquoted you and where? Be specific, please, because I cut and paste "quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention" directly from your post so that couldn't be what you're referring to.
 
2012-07-02 01:33:01 PM

The Why Not Guy: parkthebus: Gee, I feel like a misquoted politician now.

Who misquoted you and where? Be specific, please, because I cut and paste "quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention" directly from your post so that couldn't be what you're referring to.


He means "politician who inadvertently spoke his mind in a public forum and now must claim he was misquoted in order to save face."
 
2012-07-02 01:34:16 PM

parkthebus: Keizer_Ghidorah: parkthebus: Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention

Well, there's your problem.

Gee, I feel like a misquoted politician now. The point of my statement was that I can't collate a bunch of names for you as I don't pay overmuch attention to national politicians. It doesn't mean I don't pay attention locally, which is the arena where I'm more likely to make a difference.

What I object to is the broad-brush stereotyping of all Republicans as evil/racist/stupid.


So you only care about what happens immediately around you, and not what's going on in the rest of the country.
 
2012-07-02 01:53:52 PM
For cripes sake, neither you nor I can know everything about everything. Can't we just agree that stereotyping is wrong? Hasn't it always been?

Parse my words all you like, I suppose.
 
2012-07-02 09:46:49 PM

parkthebus: Parse my words all you like, I suppose.


Parse your words? You said - and this is a direct quote, not a "misquote" as you claim - "quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention." That's a fairly simple, direct statement. Not much ambiguity or room for misinterpretation there. I don't see how that's us parsing your words.

It's also kind of funny how your admitted ignorance and unwillingness to stand by your statement (instead trying to blame everyone else) doesn't exactly prove my description of Republicans wrong.
 
2012-07-02 11:43:53 PM

The Why Not Guy: parkthebus: Parse my words all you like, I suppose.

Parse your words? You said - and this is a direct quote, not a "misquote" as you claim - "quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention." That's a fairly simple, direct statement. Not much ambiguity or room for misinterpretation there. I don't see how that's us parsing your words.

It's also kind of funny how your admitted ignorance and unwillingness to stand by your statement (instead trying to blame everyone else) doesn't exactly prove my description of Republicans wrong.


"...quite honestly, I don't pay much attention..." was a just a fragment of the sentence "Quite honestly, I don't pay that much attention to national politicians to create a bibliography for you." I know that reading is hard, etc., but if anyone is showing ignorance and unwillingness to see the truth it is those who refuse to eschew stereotyping.
 
2012-07-03 12:06:34 AM

parkthebus: I know that reading is hard, etc., but if anyone is showing ignorance and unwillingness to see the truth it is those who refuse to eschew stereotyping.


I gave you the opportunity to prove my description wrong. You were unable or unwilling to do that, so I'll stick with what I see every day in the news.
 
2012-07-03 12:07:35 AM
(unlike you, I'm paying attention)
 
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