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2012-06-30 10:43:07 AM
Not as long as they have the Federal government to fall back on. Because that's what all bootstrappy conservatives do.
 
2012-06-30 10:45:41 AM

Dinki: Not as long as they have the Federal government to fall back on. Because that's what all bootstrappy conservatives do.


That. They got HALF of all NPS firefighters to help save their town. They didn't do shiat for themselves.
 
2012-06-30 10:46:00 AM

Dinki: Not as long as they have the Federal government to fall back on. Because that's what all bootstrappy conservatives do.


Does sort of cast Mitt's statements about firefighters and police into perspective though, don't it?
 
2012-06-30 10:48:01 AM
It's mostly state and federal crews fighting those large fires.
 
2012-06-30 10:49:35 AM

GAT_00: Dinki: Not as long as they have the Federal government to fall back on. Because that's what all bootstrappy conservatives do.

That. They got HALF of all NPS firefighters to help save their town. They didn't do shiat for themselves.


And you can bet the city politicians will be sitting around come November complaining about the Federal budget deficit and how we need to cut spending across the board (except the military, of course).
 
2012-06-30 10:49:51 AM
Damn that Obama, cutting their firefighters like that!
 
2012-06-30 10:50:38 AM
Good government costs up to 20% of GDP. The results of skimping on government can be seen clearly in Afghanistan, Somalia, and Colorado Springs.
 
2012-06-30 10:53:03 AM
TFA: Fire squad 108 loses three firefighters.
 
2012-06-30 10:53:26 AM
Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as "Ferrari"-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

$89,000 per middle manager? (plus benefits, I presume)

No wonder the city is cash poor.
 
2012-06-30 11:00:37 AM

Dinki: GAT_00: Dinki: Not as long as they have the Federal government to fall back on. Because that's what all bootstrappy conservatives do.

That. They got HALF of all NPS firefighters to help save their town. They didn't do shiat for themselves.

And you can bet the city politicians will be sitting around come November complaining about the Federal budget deficit and how we need to cut spending across the board (except the military, of course).


The mayor also said he was going to openly ask for cash.

I think we shouldn't give them shiat. They want to be bootstrappy? Be bootstrappy. No aid, and you get to pay for the help you got.
 
2012-06-30 11:01:37 AM

miss diminutive: Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as "Ferrari"-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

$89,000 per middle manager? (plus benefits, I presume)

No wonder the city is cash poor.


If standard Republican budgetary math holds true, his pension he'll get in 20 years is factored into that cost. You know, the pension he's paying for out of his own salary.
 
2012-06-30 11:05:52 AM

miss diminutive: Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as "Ferrari"-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

$89,000 per middle manager? (plus benefits, I presume)

No wonder the city is cash poor.


Given that the median household income in Colorado Springs is $52,984, I'd say Mr. Bartolin is a cheap ass boss. Or he employes a lot of imported labor.
 
2012-06-30 11:21:44 AM
Just smother the fire with bootstraps.
 
2012-06-30 11:29:36 AM

Dinki: miss diminutive: Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as "Ferrari"-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

$89,000 per middle manager? (plus benefits, I presume)

No wonder the city is cash poor.

Given that the median household income in Colorado Springs is $52,984, I'd say Mr. Bartolin is a cheap ass boss. Or he employes a lot of imported labor.


Another cheap-labor conservative who uses shaky math when describing public employees and underpays his staff.

I wouldn't work for that guy with your back.
 
2012-06-30 11:30:47 AM

Errk: It's mostly state and federal crews fighting those large fires.


It's mostly fires that have started on state and federal lands. In other words, their fires are burning down homes on other peoples private properties.
 
2012-06-30 11:41:43 AM

Dinki: miss diminutive: Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as "Ferrari"-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

$89,000 per middle manager? (plus benefits, I presume)

No wonder the city is cash poor.

Given that the median household income in Colorado Springs is $52,984, I'd say Mr. Bartolin is a cheap ass boss. Or he employes a lot of imported labor.


it also ignores an obvious difference in employee mix. while they might have similar headcount, you can't really compare dishwashers and seasonal workers to white collar government workers. i'd also be willing to bet he's giving salary costs for his employees and comparing them to fully loaded costs for the city government.
 
2012-06-30 11:50:29 AM
Most city firefighters are not trained to fight a forest wildfire, unless they first started fighting fires for the FS. Also, would those few extra Colorado Springs firefighters have been out on state and federal land with a wood chipper taking out all the down wood and thinning the forest? Can't let a crisis go to waste, eh submitter?
 
2012-06-30 11:50:34 AM

miss diminutive: Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as "Ferrari"-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

$89,000 per middle manager? (plus benefits, I presume)

No wonder the city is cash poor.


That would include benefits. that's how that particular sleight of hand works when calculating government salary. Calculate the Bateman minimum cost for the private sector, then calculate the theoretical maximum for the public sector. Sometimes they even count accidental death insurance to bump those "cadillac" numbers up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the city isn't typically hiring el salvadoran housekeepers to run their police department.
 
2012-06-30 12:13:31 PM

EnviroDude: Errk: It's mostly state and federal crews fighting those large fires.

It's mostly fires that have started on state and federal lands. In other words, their fires are burning down homes on other peoples private properties.


I think you are unclear on the definition of the word "public".
 
2012-06-30 12:38:47 PM
You get what you pay for.
 
2012-06-30 12:43:23 PM
Why not just build stuff that doesn't burn!

That's a win-win!

Surely science has gotten to the point where they can grow non-flammable trees.

/thinking outside the asbestos box.
 
2012-06-30 01:04:13 PM
Sounds like an awesome conservative paradise.
 
2012-06-30 01:12:59 PM

Errk: It's mostly state and federal crews fighting those large fires.


Seasonal Feds... on the hand crews

With no health coverage for their families.
 
2012-06-30 01:14:17 PM

violentsalvation: Most city firefighters are not trained to fight a forest wildfire, unless they first started fighting fires for the FS


Structural guys are trained up on it, and have their yellows.

Type 1 engines can provide important support for threatened structures.
 
2012-06-30 01:21:55 PM

hubiestubert: Dinki: Not as long as they have the Federal government to fall back on. Because that's what all bootstrappy conservatives do.

Does sort of cast Mitt's statements about firefighters and police into perspective though, don't it?


Mother Nature has a liberal bias.
 
2012-06-30 01:23:18 PM

SilentStrider: hubiestubert: Dinki: Not as long as they have the Federal government to fall back on. Because that's what all bootstrappy conservatives do.

Does sort of cast Mitt's statements about firefighters and police into perspective though, don't it?

Mother Nature has a liberal bias.


Apparently God wanted those towns to burn.

WHY IS OBAMA AND THE FED DENYING OUR CREATOR HIS CLEANSING OF THE WICKED?
 
2012-06-30 01:26:59 PM

Party Boy: violentsalvation: Most city firefighters are not trained to fight a forest wildfire, unless they first started fighting fires for the FS

Structural guys are trained up on it, and have their yellows.

Type 1 engines can provide important support for threatened structures.


I'm sure those 3 firefighters would have made all the difference when over 1000 wildland firefighters assisted by slurry bombers and helicopters couldn't keep the fire out of town.
 
2012-06-30 01:28:45 PM
Welcome to Galt's Gulch!
 
2012-06-30 01:31:31 PM

violentsalvation: I'm sure those 3 firefighters would have made all the difference when over 1000 wildland firefighters assisted by slurry bombers and helicopters couldn't keep the fire out of town.


You ever been part of a type two or type 1 incident?

I'm not about to even argue this with someone who is going to talk out of their ass.
 
2012-06-30 01:45:17 PM
Having a few more firefighters on hand may have saved a few more of these

wrcb.images.worldnow.com

Let's see, $60K salary * 3 = $180K. That's the replacement cost of one 3-4 bedroom in CO Springs.

It'd be better to give 3 guys a job than have to sacrifice one house.
 
2012-06-30 01:47:58 PM

Party Boy: violentsalvation: I'm sure those 3 firefighters would have made all the difference when over 1000 wildland firefighters assisted by slurry bombers and helicopters couldn't keep the fire out of town.

You ever been part of a type two or type 1 incident?

I'm not about to even argue this with someone who is going to talk out of their ass.


And who covers the town while the townie firefighters are out in the woods putting out a forest fire?
 
2012-06-30 01:49:04 PM

miss diminutive: Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as "Ferrari"-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

$89,000 per middle manager? (plus benefits, I presume)

No wonder the city is cash poor.


How much of that $89,000/year goes to health insurance, retirement benefits, Social Security, etc.? Employees cost more than just their salaries.
 
2012-06-30 01:49:51 PM
Yes, but I'm sure there was a tax somewhere that was kept a tenth of a percentage point lower. Think of the damage that could've caused.
 
2012-06-30 01:51:22 PM

Giltric: And who covers the town while the townie firefighters are out in the woods putting out a forest fire?


There is, literally, a shiat load of things the structural guys can do to assist in a large incident like this.

Godddamnit if i gotta hear about some farktard talking about their ass on this.
 
2012-06-30 01:51:49 PM
You guys are funny. All those firefighters are Union racking up huge amounts of overtime while Colorado Springs burns and people die.

Just so you know, this private company, owned by a bootstrappy Conservative, was told to stand down. They've only been fighting fires for 30+ years and spent 50 million of their own money developing a fleet of 747 super tankers that can put that fire OUT.

Evergreen super tanker

Oh wait, they're non union. Go figure.
 
2012-06-30 01:53:26 PM
Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

I would also like my civic institutions to be staffed by caddies and busboys.
 
2012-06-30 01:54:00 PM

make me some tea: Having a few more firefighters on hand may have saved a few more of these

[wrcb.images.worldnow.com image 600x450]

Let's see, $60K salary * 3 = $180K. That's the replacement cost of one 3-4 bedroom in CO Springs.

It'd be better to give 3 guys a job than have to sacrifice one house.


Not the way that fire came raining down the mountain on Tuesday. I'm shocked that so many homes were actually saved. I thought for sure my entire neighborhood was going to be ashes.
 
2012-06-30 01:54:19 PM
Sew the wind, reap the whirlwind firestorm.
 
2012-06-30 01:55:28 PM
They were talking in the article about how the grass on the medians won't be watered, and the lawn crews will only mow every other week... Reminds me of here in this loony bin of a state, Florida, where they will put the residents on "water days" where you can only water your lawns on so many days a week, or whatever, when the sprinklers for our medians will be on for over an hour, EVERY stinking night...

And yes, I fully realize why there's a Florida tag...
 
2012-06-30 01:57:24 PM

Spare Me: You guys are funny. All those firefighters are Union racking up huge amounts of overtime while Colorado Springs burns and people die.

Just so you know, this private company, owned by a bootstrappy Conservative, was told to stand down. They've only been fighting fires for 30+ years and spent 50 million of their own money developing a fleet of 747 super tankers that can put that fire OUT.

Evergreen super tanker

Oh wait, they're non union. Go figure.


Contract crews come with their own issues.

One of which is the amount they cost. Do you know what those fees are in comparison? Nope.

Keep complaining about "unions," though.
 
2012-06-30 01:58:54 PM
By Subby's logic, border cities should hire standing armies.

Without knowing the exact makeup of the city's workforce, $89k might not be horrible.

The low end drones are usually the ones that cost way more than they should.
 
2012-06-30 01:58:54 PM

Spare Me: You guys are funny. All those firefighters are Union racking up huge amounts of overtime while Colorado Springs burns and people die.

Just so you know, this private company, owned by a bootstrappy Conservative, was told to stand down. They've only been fighting fires for 30+ years and spent 50 million of their own money developing a fleet of 747 super tankers that can put that fire OUT.

Evergreen super tanker

Oh wait, they're non union. Go figure.


Oh look, no citation. Go figure.
 
2012-06-30 01:58:56 PM

Dinodork: Not the way that fire came raining down the mountain on Tuesday. I'm shocked that so many homes were actually saved. I thought for sure my entire neighborhood was going to be ashes.


Did your house survive?

You don't think that having more boots and engines on the ground would've helped save more homes?
 
2012-06-30 02:00:01 PM
I always wonder why they dont use something other than water. I saw this a long time ago. It makes a goo that you can coat your house with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNL5aC4RHlk&feature=youtube_gdata_play e r
 
2012-06-30 02:00:11 PM

SilentStrider: hubiestubert: Dinki: Not as long as they have the Federal government to fall back on. Because that's what all bootstrappy conservatives do.

Does sort of cast Mitt's statements about firefighters and police into perspective though, don't it?

Mother Nature has a liberal bias.


Backwards. What we are seeing is a bootstrappy fire exploiting an open window in the free market. Typical liberal commie federal firefighters being sent in to squash the Real American Fire.
 
2012-06-30 02:00:13 PM
Baggers think that is is God's will if your house burns down anyway, your "relationship with God" was just not good enough and you deserve it. Because having a common fire protection service is socialism. Let 'em burn I say.
 
2012-06-30 02:00:18 PM

Dinodork: I'm shocked that so many homes were actually saved. I thought for sure my entire neighborhood was going to be ashes.


Youll be more shocked to find the large swaths of seasonal guys who busted their ass to save your neighborhood don't have insurance for their families.
 
2012-06-30 02:00:27 PM
Is this the same anti-government, bootstrappy town that is now whining that Obama didn't bring in enough federal firefighting support to save their selfish, short-sighted asses?
 
2012-06-30 02:00:48 PM

Party Boy: Giltric: And who covers the town while the townie firefighters are out in the woods putting out a forest fire?

There is, literally, a shiat load of things the structural guys can do to assist in a large incident like this.

Godddamnit if i gotta hear about some farktard talking about their ass on this.


So you don't have an answer?
 
2012-06-30 02:01:59 PM
Cutting taxes isn't even in the same neighborhood as making government efficient. But it sure is a lot easier. Between putting politics above good policy and the "fark this I'll just be a stripper" mentality, it's no wonder our government is so broken.
 
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