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(Yahoo)   ...and then they went after the churches   (ca.news.yahoo.com) divider line 157
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2012-06-30 11:10:48 AM  
Good, shine a big bright light on all of them.

Then the churches... Long overdue.
 
2012-06-30 11:21:19 AM  
Finally!
 
2012-06-30 11:35:01 AM  
Hallelujah!
 
2012-06-30 11:38:14 AM  

HakunaMatata: shine a big bright light on all of them.


ALL of them?
 
2012-06-30 11:43:49 AM  
Can't happen soon enough.
 
2012-06-30 11:47:38 AM  
If they haven't done anything wrong, then they have nothing to fear.
 
2012-06-30 11:48:06 AM  
Why should churches be tax exempt in the first farking place?
 
2012-06-30 11:56:42 AM  
Conservatives are always biatching about Obama not creating any jobs.

Now he will unleash an army of newly employed auditors to collect that holy cash.

God, I love this president.
 
2012-06-30 11:59:07 AM  
Subby, nowhere in that article does it mention churches. Unless you're implying that this will be the IRS's NEXT target.

/I'm OK with this
 
2012-06-30 12:03:38 PM  
Dammit, subby. It was cruel of you to get my hopes up like that

Errk: Why should churches be tax exempt in the first farking place?


And This^
 
2012-06-30 12:06:33 PM  
They should be all over these groups and any other "charitable" groups in the advocacy business.
 
2012-06-30 12:07:40 PM  

Errk: Why should churches be tax exempt in the first farking place?


Ain't that the trillion dollar question
 
2012-06-30 12:38:38 PM  
Praise the...

Churches do charitable work. The feed people, clothe people, pay them off for remaining silent about what Father Transferredtoanotherparish did to them, so they wouldn't have to admit that the church did anything wrong.

Besides. Free market and all. You can't get to be one of the wealthiest land owners if you're forced to pay in to the socialists' agenda, y'know.
 
2012-06-30 12:46:53 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: Errk: Why should churches be tax exempt in the first farking place?

Ain't that the trillion dollar question


I suspect it's linked in with "freedom of religion". Also, that they can be taxed if they get involved in politics is probably part of that whole "separation of church and state" thing. IANAL, so I can't say for sure. It's just a guess.

With that having been said, I see nothing wrong with taxing churches. Small churches can get exemptions & stuff because they probably wouldn't be able to afford the extra burden. F*ck the megachurches, though...
 
2012-06-30 12:47:49 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Praise the...

Churches do charitable work. The feed people, clothe people, pay them off for remaining silent about what Father Transferredtoanotherparish did to them, so they wouldn't have to admit that the church did anything wrong.

Besides. Free market and all. You can't get to be one of the wealthiest land owners if you're forced to pay in to the socialists' agenda, y'know.


Don't forget - churches helpfully advise parishioners about which political candidates to vote for - an indispensable community service they're only too happy to provide.
 
2012-06-30 12:50:42 PM  
You know how much more difficult it's going to be to keep covering the costs of relocating and shielding pedophiles from prosecution, as well as paying for expensive defenses of the ones who do get caught if they have to pay their taxes? Paying taxes might make it just a tiny bit more difficult for these folks to anally rape children with impunity. They really need that cash.
 
2012-06-30 12:53:40 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: You know how much more difficult it's going to be to keep covering the costs of relocating and shielding pedophiles from prosecution, as well as paying for expensive defenses of the ones who do get caught if they have to pay their taxes? Paying taxes might make it just a tiny bit more difficult for these folks to anally rape children with impunity. They really need that cash.


Right. And why should they have to foot the bill for everything when it's the damn children who are to blame.
 
2012-06-30 01:10:26 PM  
They've been practicing on the mosques for a decade; they got skillz now.
 
2012-06-30 01:11:41 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Doctor Funkenstein: You know how much more difficult it's going to be to keep covering the costs of relocating and shielding pedophiles from prosecution, as well as paying for expensive defenses of the ones who do get caught if they have to pay their taxes? Paying taxes might make it just a tiny bit more difficult for these folks to anally rape children with impunity. They really need that cash.

Right. And why should they have to foot the bill for everything when it's the damn children who are to blame.


Seriously. Did you ever try to catch one while wearing a longass robe, a funny hat and a bunch of bling? Cornholin' ain't easy business, man.
 
2012-06-30 01:22:06 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Churches should be doing charitable work.


FIFY

I've been a member of 3 churches in my life (I got better); the only thing that the churches organized and solicited for was fundraisers for "newer facilities", or the "building fund". They'd have a bake sale, but the proceeds went to the "facility". If there was a sick member of the congregation, a request would go out for someone to help prepare meals, but I consider that more 'friends-helping-friends' than true outreach.

Oh, and there's no derp like Yahoo comment derp. Holy hell- I want to pay someone to develop a browser plugin that administers a shock through the keyboard when I scroll down that far!
 
2012-06-30 01:22:13 PM  
Long overdue. Why the hell do these outfits enjoy such a competitive advantage over other businesses to begin with?
 
2012-06-30 02:23:25 PM  

doyner: Long overdue. Why the hell do these outfits enjoy such a competitive advantage over other businesses to begin with?


Because it's supposed to keep them out of politics, to a degree. They get tax exempt status, and in return they don't explicitly use the power of the church to tell people to vote one way or the other.

That's all going to shiat now, because people all over are forgetting just why it is we have these nice little separations between church and state. We're going to relive a bunch of garbage that was supposed to be settled a long time ago because people think their pet causes and religions are somehow special and not like all the ones that came before.
 
2012-06-30 02:24:59 PM  
Go after the Churches? Sounds good to me.
Too bad it's not what TFA talks about.
 
2012-06-30 02:25:52 PM  
Is the headline a test to see who RTFA?
 
2012-06-30 02:26:31 PM  
Finally! farkers want to involve themselves in politics, they can pay their taxes like the rest of us.
 
2012-06-30 02:28:41 PM  

penthesilea: Is the headline a test to see who RTFA?


Well the article doesn't mention churches per say, but they do mention "groups that have tax-exempt status for social work" that are delving a bit too much into the political realm of things. Apparently, it's okay for churches to come out on an issue, but not to start endorsing candidates.
 
2012-06-30 02:28:41 PM  
If the IRS goes after the churches that preach politics, I will be MUCH happier with the IRS. I might even send them a gift basket or something.
 
2012-06-30 02:29:38 PM  

doyner: Long overdue. Why the hell do these outfits enjoy such a competitive advantage over other businesses to begin with?


I agree. They should compete in the free market like everyone else, because a tax exemption = government subsidy. Why is government getting involved with religion anyway?

/sarcasm
//not really
 
2012-06-30 02:32:00 PM  

Errk: Why should churches be tax exempt in the first farking place?


==============

So the Pope (and other church leaders) can live in luxury, surrounded by millions of dollars worth of art and property, while people starve.

/don't forget to send your money to the church and not to the people that need it.
//The Pope needs to keep up his living standards
 
2012-06-30 02:32:16 PM  

Daveism: Oh, and there's no derp like Yahoo comment derp. Holy hell- I want to pay someone to develop a browser plugin that administers a shock through the keyboard when I scroll down that far!


The sad thing is:

"There are no penalties that will be enforced thru this act. Just a new talking point to scare americans from something good for them. If the republicans had anything better than this bill, they would have put it out there, but they know the Ryan's budget and what it plans to do would lose the election for them. They do not want you to know what harm it will bring to everyone except the 1%"

that comment was downvoted 95 times that they had to hide it.

Farking retards, the whole lot of them
 
2012-06-30 02:32:29 PM  
Thanks Citizens United for creating such a shiatstorm.
 
2012-06-30 02:33:10 PM  

GhostFish: doyner: Long overdue. Why the hell do these outfits enjoy such a competitive advantage over other businesses to begin with?

Because

the founders knew they'd dry up naturally when people stopped giving them money. But they did not realize Americans would so easily find themselves enslaved by debt again, exactly the reason behind the Revolutionary war.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches." Ben Franklin
"Make the most of Indian hemp seed and sow it everywhere." George Washington
"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch with my Hoener harmonica and smoking a pipe of sweet hemp." Abe Lincoln
 
2012-06-30 02:33:58 PM  

GhostFish: Because it's supposed to keep them out of politics, to a degree. They get tax exempt status, and in return they don't explicitly use the power of the church to tell people to vote one way or the other.


That was part of the original understanding. Some churches appear to be trying to altar the deal.
 
2012-06-30 02:34:05 PM  

xanadian: Lor M. Ipsum: Errk: Why should churches be tax exempt in the first farking place?

Ain't that the trillion dollar question

I suspect it's linked in with "freedom of religion". Also, that they can be taxed if they get involved in politics is probably part of that whole "separation of church and state" thing. IANAL, so I can't say for sure. It's just a guess.

With that having been said, I see nothing wrong with taxing churches. Small churches can get exemptions & stuff because they probably wouldn't be able to afford the extra burden. F*ck the megachurches, though...


If you're talking about the 501(c)(3) exemptions, the reason appears to be that the US government considers the following things to be charitable and as such beneficial to society, enough so that they should be subsidized in that manner:

...relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erecting or maintaining public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening neighborhood tensions; eliminating prejudice and discrimination; defending human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.

One of these things, of course, is not like the others.
 
2012-06-30 02:34:44 PM  
Good! Stick that in your pope and smoke it!
 
2012-06-30 02:35:44 PM  
Grrr! Why are you persecuting me by making sure I play by the rules I agreed to when I registered for tax-exempt status? You big meanie poopoo head!
 
2012-06-30 02:36:31 PM  
If the Christian church survived it's followers being fed to the lions during the Roman era, they can survive either a) losing a tax-exempt status, or b) being tax-exempt and concentrating on, you know, actual religious activity.

Or maybe we can bring back the lion-feeding. You know, go back to the basics. That was the time of their greatest expansion, right?
 
2012-06-30 02:37:17 PM  

doyner: Long overdue.


Took the words right out of my mouth so...

www.theage.com.au
 
2012-06-30 02:38:31 PM  
Wow...some of those comments should trigger the Secret Service to pay a few visits. These people are farking scary.
 
2012-06-30 02:39:20 PM  
Tax the PACs?

A Wall Street Journal report on Wednesday indicated that an IRS probe was under way for large conservative tax-exempt groups such as Crossroads and Americans for Prosperity, which is funded in part by the oil and gas tycoons David and Charles Koch.

[okaywiththis]

"Press reports (Wednesday) are completely misleading and inaccurate," the IRS's Lemons said, adding that the agency's examination of tax-exempt groups is likely to include nonprofits, trade groups and labor unions.

Also okay with this.

Taxing churches who've crossed the line separating church and state by becoming actively involved with promoting one party over another?

Really okay with that.
 
2012-06-30 02:43:54 PM  
The rules have been there forever. If you don't want to pay taxes, keep politics off the pulpit. Why is that so difficult for these morons to understand?
 
2012-06-30 02:44:18 PM  

T-Servo: doyner: Long overdue. Why the hell do these outfits enjoy such a competitive advantage over other businesses to begin with?

I agree. They should compete in the free market like everyone else, because a tax exemption = government subsidy. Why is government getting involved with religion anyway?

/sarcasm
//not really


When they decide they're going to be a business venture and try to shape government policy like Exxon, then they're just another corporation.
 
2012-06-30 02:44:22 PM  
images.clipartof.com

So, anybody got a link that'll work from a phone?
 
2012-06-30 02:45:17 PM  

urban.derelict: GhostFish: doyner: Long overdue. Why the hell do these outfits enjoy such a competitive advantage over other businesses to begin with?

Because the founders knew they'd dry up naturally when people stopped giving them money. But they did not realize Americans would so easily find themselves enslaved by debt again, exactly the reason behind the Revolutionary war.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches." Ben Franklin
"Make the most of Indian hemp seed and sow it everywhere." George Washington
"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch with my Hoener harmonica and smoking a pipe of sweet hemp." Abe Lincoln


================

So Abe was a stoner and a vampire killer?

/How did he ever have time to win the Civil War and save the Union?
 
2012-06-30 02:46:12 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: HakunaMatata: shine a big bright light on all of them.

ALL of them?


Yes, ALL of them.
 
2012-06-30 02:47:03 PM  

Errk: Why should churches be tax exempt in the first farking place?


My sentiments exactly. A hearty THIS THIS THIS ^^^
 
2012-06-30 02:47:36 PM  

penthesilea: Is the headline a test to see who RTFA?


Where's the fun in that, Mr Buzzkillington?

/Chemtrails! Fiat currency! ATF's Fast and Furious! Sasquatch!
 
2012-06-30 02:47:49 PM  
Reading Fark I often feel a little bit better about politics because most people seem to be fairly rational with the exception of a few well-known trolls/GOP/tea party whatever you want to call them. However, reading the comments for this article definitely puts it into perspective that perhaps we're the minority. Gosh I hope not.

Sorry but I can't feel the slightest bit sorry for churches, charities, or any of those "Americans for" or "Family" organizations who's sole purpose it is to push their backwards political agenda losing their tax-exempt status if they are abusing that status.

While it's not necessarily the point of this article, fark anyone who gets rich off of a church or charity under the guise that they are do-gooders.
 
2012-06-30 02:48:20 PM  

abb3w: GhostFish: Because it's supposed to keep them out of politics, to a degree. They get tax exempt status, and in return they don't explicitly use the power of the church to tell people to vote one way or the other.

That was part of the original understanding. Some churches appear to be trying to altar the deal.


Should we pray that they don't altar it further?
 
2012-06-30 02:51:43 PM  
...and I said nothing because it was way overdue.
 
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