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(KATU)   The reason the Mariners suck at home? Seattle's June weather. Evidently the temperature, humidity, barometric pressure and wind are different during the bottom half of innings   (katu.com) divider line 31
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2012-06-30 08:58:14 AM
Raging debate here, should we move in the fences and start losing 10-8 instead of losing 5-2.

Started, or more likely popularized, by some whining one of the local 'hitters' . Locally we know which one it was. (last name rhymes with "Joke.") As he's one of the guys management has pinned their hopes of rebuilding on, the idea caught on and has been repeated a lot in the last 3 weeks or so. We gotta move in the fences, we're never going to attract free agents here without it.

and yes, as subby points out, the visiting team seems less damaged by hitting in this park than the home team does.
 
2012-06-30 09:22:39 AM
All of this is why Ross parked one in the upper deck last night, first ball I've seen up there.
 
2012-06-30 09:26:04 AM
Yeah, I have been seeing a lot of "Move the Fences In" talk lately. Wasn't a problem when they had hitters. But this lineup is joke, and that rhymes with Smoak.

This team has 99 problems, and deep fences ain't one.
 
2012-06-30 09:35:02 AM
 
2012-06-30 09:36:25 AM
I used to go to a lot of Mariners games when I lived in Seattle. Never seemed like the visiting team had a problem. Also, as of today- 2012 Mariners home winning percentage: 39%. 2012 Mariners road winning percentage: 44%. I'm too lazy to do a hypothesis test to see if that difference is statistically significant, but the eye test suggests that the Mariners' biggest problem is that they just aren't that good.
 
2012-06-30 09:40:05 AM
And just to clarify, I'm not saying that Safeco doesn't have a huge park effect, because it does. I'm just saying that it's not a valid excuse for the Mariners' record.
 
2012-06-30 09:47:08 AM
A little quick calculation (assuming I got it right) shows the M's have been outscored by 19 runs during June 2012 home games.

I think they just suck.
 
2012-06-30 12:40:25 PM
If you're 33-46 and 16.5 back, you might just suck. And moving fences in isn't going to help. You'll get beat 10 to 2, especially against division rivals with loaded line-ups. But the DisAstros are joining the AL West next year, which gives you hope of not being dead last.

/you are what you are
//you is what you is
 
2012-06-30 12:45:54 PM
So opposing teams adjust and Seattle doesn't? Seems legit.
 
2012-06-30 12:56:30 PM
The 2001 Mariners were 57-24 in that stadium.
 
2012-06-30 01:30:17 PM

Palmer Eldritch: And just to clarify, I'm not saying that Safeco doesn't have a huge park effect, because it does. I'm just saying that it's not a valid excuse for the Mariners' record.


You're supposed to build your team to make those "quirks" work to your advantage.
 
2012-06-30 01:38:42 PM
People who bet on baseball use a lot of stuff from that article. That's one of the best ones I've seen and actually has substance.
 
2012-06-30 01:52:15 PM
The M's suck, but Safeco is destroying all offense this year, even more than usual.
 
2012-06-30 02:01:28 PM
We just need guys that can hit.

/BTW Figgins complains about the temperature all the time. That is his "excuse".
 
2012-06-30 02:20:43 PM
We should find the team that won the most games in American League history and configure the park like those dudes had it.

/ Then we should fire Wedge and trade this bunch of whiners for a sandwich and a pickle.
 
2012-06-30 03:22:08 PM
The Mariners are an embarrassment to all of humanity. Not just to Seattle or the Northwest. We should all be embarrassed about their existence.

/Fan since 1990, I'm afraid
 
2012-06-30 03:37:43 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: The 2001 Mariners were 57-24 in that stadium.


Yeah, but since they have all the same players those guys are all between 35 and 50 now and are much older and the weather has a greater impact on them than it used to.

/oh, wait
 
2012-06-30 04:22:31 PM
I really liked Smoak when he first came into the league and got really excited when he got traded to Seattle. Still waiting for him to turn the corner and start producing. You'd think an over-hyped prospect would do well in a smaller market where there isn't as much national pressure from the media.
 
2012-06-30 05:02:35 PM

mr_a: A little quick calculation (assuming I got it right) shows the M's have been outscored by 19 runs during June 2012 home games.


My even quicker calculation shows that the opposing team has to hit during the same time of day/night as the Mariners do.

I hate weather being blamed for *one* team's failures or successes.

Wrigley having too many day games, "Bear weather". All total BS.
 
2012-06-30 05:51:43 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: The 2001 Mariners were 57-24 in that stadium.


Yeah, well, 'roid up this lineup and these guys could be 57-24, too.

/Okay, maybe not...
 
2012-07-01 12:02:23 AM

jfurdell: The Mariners are an embarrassment to all of humanity. Not just to Seattle or the Northwest. We should all be embarrassed about their existence.

/Fan since 1990, I'm afraid


They really do suck. I actually read some of this article while at work the other day and wasn't surprised by this derp.

I watch the M's, go to a couple games per year, and really it's just background noise to me. Granted, I moved to Seattle a couple years after the last time they were good (2004) but they've been awful ever since. A bad club top to bottom (always with a good player or two on the roster like Ichiro and Felix, but it makes no real impact). Inept.

/the 13Ks the other night were pretty cool though...but it makes no difference.
//they just got 2 runs as I'm typing...suck it, Boston.
 
2012-07-01 01:18:50 AM
9 million dollars worth of lead off batting in the ninth inning of a tie ball game. All for a pop up in the infield
 
2012-07-01 06:29:21 AM
Okay, i'm not making excuses for the Mariners obviously (in fact baseball to me is so freaking slow it's unbearable to watch), but we here in western Washington are complete foreigners when it comes to humid heat. It might be 'normal' to people from like Florida and whatnot, but when your main weather patterns include just rain and fairly cool/mild temperatures it's murder.
 
2012-07-01 11:24:45 AM
It takes a Mariner to blame the building for not doing their job.

/ what happened to you guys; you were so fun to watch ten years ago
 
2012-07-01 06:06:48 PM

funktilious_j: Yeah, I have been seeing a lot of "Move the Fences In" talk lately. Wasn't a problem when they had hitters. But this lineup is joke, and that rhymes with Smoak.

This team has 99 problems, and deep fences ain't one.


No shiat. They won 116 games in that stadium about a decade ago. And unless I'm mistaken don't both teams have to hit there for m's home games?
 
2012-07-01 09:48:56 PM

JohnBigBootay: And unless I'm mistaken don't both teams have to hit there for m's home games?


You're mistaken. Only away teams have to hit there.

/ It takes a Mariner to blame a building for the inability to hit a ball with a stick
 
2012-07-01 10:00:00 PM
Yikes, here's what they've been doing lately:
6/24 L, 0-2
6/25 L, 0-1
6/26 W, 3-2
6/27 L, 1-2
6/28 W, 1-0
6/29 L, 0-5
6/30 W, 3-2
7/01 L, 1-2

The M's have had worse eight-game stretches than 3-5, but. . . that's nine runs in eight games. If it wasn't for some awesome pitching and some awful competition. . . ugh, I can't finish this sentence.
 
2012-07-02 12:28:19 AM
Didn't they just give up four homeruns in one game recently? At home? It isn't the park, it's their shiatty lineup.
 
2012-07-02 05:46:15 PM

jfurdell: The Mariners are an embarrassment to all of humanity. Not just to Seattle or the Northwest. We should all be embarrassed about their existence.

/Fan since 1990, I'm afraid


So you got hit with #9 huh?

IIRC they said they same thing about the Kingdome

/or maybe it was the fences were to close
//but they baitched about the fences
 
2012-07-02 07:23:23 PM

relaxitsjustme: IIRC they said they same thing about the Kingdome

/or maybe it was the fences were to close


They biatched about the turf. If the current crop of losers have anything to protest, I propose having Jay Buhner work them in a parking lot until their knees literally grow mouths so they can scream.
 
2012-07-02 09:03:42 PM

dragonchild: relaxitsjustme: IIRC they said they same thing about the Kingdome

/or maybe it was the fences were to close

They biatched about the turf. If the current crop of losers have anything to protest, I propose having Jay Buhner work them in a parking lot until their knees literally grow mouths so they can scream.


The person I feel badly for is Ichiro. Dude has a HOF career and sticks it out with the M's out of some Japanese misguided sense of loyalty. When it became obvious he was never going to get a shot at a World Series with the current management he should have jumped ship and tried for a ring with a contender
 
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