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2012-06-30 07:18:21 AM
I wonder why it is in the middle of the stairs.

At least if it was at the bottom or the top, people would expect a change of some sort.
 
2012-06-30 07:23:00 AM
They should charge $1 to exit through the "gate of mystery", have a spring loaded ghost set to go off when someone tripped, thus heightening their experience.
 
2012-06-30 07:38:19 AM

Slaxl: They should charge $1 to exit through the "gate of mystery", have a spring loaded ghost set to go off when someone tripped, thus heightening their experience.


And dry ice.

Dry ice running down the steps.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-30 07:41:13 AM
That tall step may be illegal. I know there's a standard but I forget whether it's in ADA rules (binding on MTA) or building codes which the government can ignore.
 
2012-06-30 07:45:37 AM

ZAZ: That tall step may be illegal. I know there's a standard but I forget whether it's in ADA rules (binding on MTA) or building codes which the government can ignore.


Huh. So the American Dental Association has rules on stair height.

I learned something today.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-30 07:48:10 AM
Huh. So the American Dental Association has rules on stair height.

If you trip and fall on your face, you might break a tooth.
 
2012-06-30 08:02:40 AM

ZAZ: Huh. So the American Dental Association has rules on stair height.

If you trip and fall on your face, you might break a tooth.


Especially if a ghost jumps out at you just as you trip.
 
2012-06-30 08:30:23 AM
New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

Wtf, a tape measure and 30 seconds.
 
2012-06-30 08:42:58 AM

PreMortem: New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

Wtf, a tape measure and 30 seconds.


Yeah, that was probably worded wrong. I think that they meant that it is closed while they figure out if they need to do anything about it.
 
2012-06-30 09:17:46 AM
New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

So... thanks for farking up everyone's commute, Mr. Curious Eagle-eyed Filmmaker Guy?
 
2012-06-30 09:21:47 AM

namegoeshere: New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

So... thanks for farking up everyone's commute, Mr. Curious Eagle-eyed Filmmaker Guy?


People could have easily gotten hurt.
 
2012-06-30 10:23:32 AM

namegoeshere: New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

So... thanks for farking up everyone's commute, Mr. Curious Eagle-eyed Filmmaker Guy?


Seriously. Spray-paint the step bright yellow and call it a day.
 
2012-06-30 10:26:01 AM

Ed Finnerty: namegoeshere: New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

So... thanks for farking up everyone's commute, Mr. Curious Eagle-eyed Filmmaker Guy?

Seriously. Spray-paint the step bright yellow and call it a day.


I'm betting it'll end in a complete tear out and rebuild
 
2012-06-30 10:31:47 AM

Ed Finnerty: namegoeshere: New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

So... thanks for farking up everyone's commute, Mr. Curious Eagle-eyed Filmmaker Guy?

Seriously. Spray-paint the step bright yellow and call it a day.


Then put a layer of Nerf over the stairway, then call it day.
 
2012-06-30 10:32:31 AM

miss diminutive: Ed Finnerty: namegoeshere: New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

So... thanks for farking up everyone's commute, Mr. Curious Eagle-eyed Filmmaker Guy?

Seriously. Spray-paint the step bright yellow and call it a day.

Then put a layer of Nerf over the stairway, then call it day.


And issue helmets and elbow pads at the top and bottom to everyone.
 
2012-06-30 10:34:35 AM

Grables'Daughter: miss diminutive: Ed Finnerty: namegoeshere: New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

So... thanks for farking up everyone's commute, Mr. Curious Eagle-eyed Filmmaker Guy?

Seriously. Spray-paint the step bright yellow and call it a day.

Then put a layer of Nerf over the stairway, then call it day.

And issue helmets and elbow pads at the top and bottom to everyone.


And give everyone over-sized Q-tips and let them battle for the privilege of taking the stairs.

www.eventsandtents.com
 
2012-06-30 10:34:55 AM
Sounds like a psychology experiment gone wrong.
 
2012-06-30 10:35:25 AM

Archie Goodwin: Sounds like a psychology experiment gone wrong fun.

 
2012-06-30 11:43:41 AM
CSB:

On the Carnival Glory the steps on the balcony of the theater go from top to bottom short-short-long. That's two regular sized steps, then a slightly longer one that would catch your toe as you thought you were stepping over the edge. I almost fell down the stairs twice within a couple minutes on the same step. Another time we were sitting right next to the step and we watched six consecutive people trip on the step. Everyone is usually holding on to the railing so nobody falls all the way, but I'm surprised nobody took a dixie.
 
2012-06-30 11:55:08 AM
Good excuse to get some nice cleavage shots, Mr. Videographer Dude.
 
2012-06-30 11:56:25 AM
That is what you get when you don't pay any attention to where/how you're walking.

/fark NYC
 
2012-06-30 11:57:00 AM
Stairs can be between 7 and 8 1/2 inches high depending on how far it is from one floor to the next in order to divide the steps evenly. The steps are supposed to be completely uniform in height ( +- 1/8" for human error) anything more you are out of code in California anyway.
 
2012-06-30 11:57:45 AM
Looks like a class action lawsuit for anyone who had ever been on that stairway.
Lawyers, sharpen your pencils, there's millions to be made here.
 
2012-06-30 11:58:13 AM

Archie Goodwin: Sounds like a psychology experiment gone wrong.


On a scale of 1 to Stanford prison experiment, this is about a 4.
 
2012-06-30 12:00:03 PM
The power of the intertubes. Already fixed.

Sheldon nods head.
 
2012-06-30 12:00:34 PM

cig-mkr: Looks like a class action lawsuit for anyone who had ever been on that stairway.
Lawyers, sharpen your pencils, there's millions to be made here.


And everyone that is in the lawsuit would get a quarter!
 
2012-06-30 12:03:10 PM
Just pick your feet up. Allow me to demonstrate...

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-30 12:03:58 PM

titwrench: Stairs can be between 7 and 8 1/2 inches high depending on how far it is from one floor to the next in order to divide the steps evenly. The steps are supposed to be completely uniform in height ( +- 1/8" for human error) anything more you are out of code in California anyway.


Correction I rechecked code (it's been a while) it's 5-7 3/4" rise with 7" being ideal the rest is correct.
 
Rat
2012-06-30 12:04:32 PM
This is not 'Nam. This is commuting. There are rules.

©
 
2012-06-30 12:06:14 PM
They already fixed it.
Apparently, the defective step was just over the legal limit of 3/8" variation.
more
 
2012-06-30 12:07:37 PM

Grables'Daughter: ZAZ: That tall step may be illegal. I know there's a standard but I forget whether it's in ADA rules (binding on MTA) or building codes which the government can ignore.

Huh. So the American Dental Association has rules on stair height.

I learned something today.


Well they do get some say in bridge design...
 
2012-06-30 12:07:41 PM

titwrench: Stairs can be between 7 and 8 1/2 inches high depending on how far it is from one floor to the next in order to divide the steps evenly. The steps are supposed to be completely uniform in height ( +- 1/8" for human error) anything more you are out of code in California anyway.


ADA regs prefer a 7" riser. Most codes prohibit a variation of more than 3/16" of variation. This is no joke.
 
2012-06-30 12:08:36 PM

cig-mkr: Looks like a class action lawsuit for anyone who had ever been on that stairway.
Lawyers, sharpen your pencils, there's millions to be made here.


Probably a lawsuit is why, after all these years of the steps being farked up, they responded to the video. The guy with the kid who tripped on that wasn't funny. And from this story it looks like the entire stairway will be replaced.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-30 12:09:01 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm betting it'll end in a complete tear out and rebuild

From mgary's link: "The MTA said Thursday that the work had begun and involves the replacement of the entire stairway."
 
2012-06-30 12:09:09 PM

titwrench: titwrench: Stairs can be between 7 and 8 1/2 inches high depending on how far it is from one floor to the next in order to divide the steps evenly. The steps are supposed to be completely uniform in height ( +- 1/8" for human error) anything more you are out of code in California anyway.

Correction I rechecked code (it's been a while) it's 5-7 3/4" rise with 7" being ideal the rest is correct.


According to the article I linked above, the NY MTA standard for stairs is 6-7" with a maximum of 3/8" variation allowed.
 
2012-06-30 12:09:43 PM

namegoeshere: New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority has since closed the station entrance to investigate the offensive step further.

So... thanks for farking up everyone's commute, Mr. Curious Eagle-eyed Filmmaker Guy?


It's New York, don't they have subway entrances at every corner?
 
2012-06-30 12:09:56 PM
hmm, a video of people not watching where they're going. This guy has evidence that people get confused when all the stairs are not the same. But I don't buy it, from the different camera angles you can't always see the travelers feet, to see where they tripped. This could also just be montage of trip clips from a 3 year period.
 
2012-06-30 12:10:47 PM

Grables'Daughter: ZAZ: That tall step may be illegal. I know there's a standard but I forget whether it's in ADA rules (binding on MTA) or building codes which the government can ignore.

Huh. So the American Dental Association has rules on stair height.


Yeah, and they should have their own schools
/Anti-Dentite
 
2012-06-30 12:10:54 PM

titwrench: titwrench: Stairs can be between 7 and 8 1/2 inches high depending on how far it is from one floor to the next in order to divide the steps evenly. The steps are supposed to be completely uniform in height ( +- 1/8" for human error) anything more you are out of code in California anyway.

Correction I rechecked code (it's been a while) it's 5-7 3/4" rise with 7" being ideal the rest is correct.


Does this mean you're not allowed to have an infinite number of steps, each half the height of the last?
 
2012-06-30 12:11:32 PM
How do you mess up building stairs? I mean, I assume if everyone else who builds stairs can get all the steps the same height, there's some kind of plan to make sure this exact thing doesn't happen, right?
 
2012-06-30 12:16:27 PM
Jesus. Lazy foot-draggers.

I cringed when I saw the dude with the baby. Ack! Don't drop it!
 
2012-06-30 12:16:36 PM
The opening titile sequence was astonshingly prolix. Cudda said the same thing in 50% less fewer words. And why no measurements, something like, "there are twenty-three steps, twenty-two measure 7 inches tall, with the 15th at nearly eight inches"?

"Vigorous writing is concise", Strunk and White
 
2012-06-30 12:16:42 PM

mgary: titwrench: titwrench: Stairs can be between 7 and 8 1/2 inches high depending on how far it is from one floor to the next in order to divide the steps evenly. The steps are supposed to be completely uniform in height ( +- 1/8" for human error) anything more you are out of code in California anyway.

Correction I rechecked code (it's been a while) it's 5-7 3/4" rise with 7" being ideal the rest is correct.

According to the article I linked above, the NY MTA standard for stairs is 6-7" with a maximum of 3/8" variation allowed.


I can only speak to my code book. 3/8" is quite a variance. I can only assume they allow that because there are a lot more older buildings opening themselves up for ADA compliance lawsuits. I couldn't imagine having to retrofit a city of that size for every tiny violation. Cheaper to have a bigger tolerance. I am just speculating.
 
2012-06-30 12:23:02 PM
Not sure about New York, but in Ontario all steps must be the same height, you are not allowed any variation at all.
 
2012-06-30 12:27:34 PM

titwrench: mgary: titwrench: titwrench: Stairs can be between 7 and 8 1/2 inches high depending on how far it is from one floor to the next in order to divide the steps evenly. The steps are supposed to be completely uniform in height ( +- 1/8" for human error) anything more you are out of code in California anyway.

Correction I rechecked code (it's been a while) it's 5-7 3/4" rise with 7" being ideal the rest is correct.

According to the article I linked above, the NY MTA standard for stairs is 6-7" with a maximum of 3/8" variation allowed.

I can only speak to my code book. 3/8" is quite a variance. I can only assume they allow that because there are a lot more older buildings opening themselves up for ADA compliance lawsuits. I couldn't imagine having to retrofit a city of that size for every tiny violation. Cheaper to have a bigger tolerance. I am just speculating.


One way to get a height variance is when the stairs are already framed and someone decides after the fact (or in a remodel) that they want tile below and carpet on the stairs - screws up the landing heights. But one the middle steps? Someone gets a spankin' for that.
 
2012-06-30 12:30:41 PM
Not at all surprised they will replace the entire staircase. This is the MTA. They will close that entrance for at least 3 months and spend $2 million to have 8 guys staring around at all times watching 2 other guys do the work. When they put it back together they will use tile that gets slippery when wet or make it wrong again anyhow because they don't know how to measure.

Why not just add 1/8 of inch to the stair below it so that the rise would be within limits? Bolting a sheet of steel on shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.
 
2012-06-30 12:32:17 PM

Thelyphthoric: titwrench: mgary: titwrench: titwrench: Stairs can be between 7 and 8 1/2 inches high depending on how far it is from one floor to the next in order to divide the steps evenly. The steps are supposed to be completely uniform in height ( +- 1/8" for human error) anything more you are out of code in California anyway.

Correction I rechecked code (it's been a while) it's 5-7 3/4" rise with 7" being ideal the rest is correct.

According to the article I linked above, the NY MTA standard for stairs is 6-7" with a maximum of 3/8" variation allowed.

I can only speak to my code book. 3/8" is quite a variance. I can only assume they allow that because there are a lot more older buildings opening themselves up for ADA compliance lawsuits. I couldn't imagine having to retrofit a city of that size for every tiny violation. Cheaper to have a bigger tolerance. I am just speculating.

One way to get a height variance is when the stairs are already framed and someone decides after the fact (or in a remodel) that they want tile below and carpet on the stairs - screws up the landing heights. But one the middle steps? Someone gets a spankin' for that.


Generally you account for flooring when cutting the base of the stringer and a smart contractor will allow 3/4 inch float from rough floor so if flooring types change you have that variance to account for changes.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-30 12:37:39 PM
From Cork on Fork's measurement link: "If it wasn't this, it might have been something else and it might have been serious," said MTA Chariman [sic] Dale Hemmerdinger.

Mr. Hemmerdinger seems to think the MTA has a quota of mistakes.
 
2012-06-30 12:38:23 PM

crazypete: hmm, a video of people not watching where they're going. This guy has evidence that people get confused when all the stairs are not the same. But I don't buy it, from the different camera angles you can't always see the travelers feet, to see where they tripped. This could also just be montage of trip clips from a 3 year period.


I can't remember which thread this is from, and it is driving me crazy.
 
2012-06-30 12:39:05 PM

Grables'Daughter: cig-mkr: Looks like a class action lawsuit for anyone who had ever been on that stairway.
Lawyers, sharpen your pencils, there's millions to be made here.

And everyone that is in the lawsuit would get a quarter!


But the lawyers would make millions!
And let's be generous and give the folks a token for the subway.
 
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