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2012-06-30 03:16:24 AM

esteban9: Obryn: randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.

Jesus farkin' Christ!

It's Colorado Springs, which is basically Texas in Colorado.

Yes, with multi-million dollar homes instead of trailers.


Plenty of trailers. Not like we're talking about Aspen or Boulder...

Trust me.
 
2012-06-30 03:16:30 AM

thisispete: Shouldn't there be regular controlled burn offs to prevent this sort of thing happening and promote new growth? Or is there too much forest, scrubland and unpredictable weather patterns to keep any burn off contained and under control?


The North Fork Fire earlier in spring was caused by a controlled burn. Since then, the governor has banned them until we get more rain.
 
2012-06-30 03:16:49 AM
This all happened after he left. Coincidence?

www.evangelicaloutreach.org
 
2012-06-30 03:17:14 AM

bugmn99: Yep. Here comes big government to put out all of the fires that the local residents can't or choose not to put out for themselves. HOW WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER LEARN TO PUT OUT FIRES, POOPBAMA?!?!


Residents should contract with private companies for firefighting and emergency services. This will reduce costs and improve service. People who don't pay will have to watch their homes and businesses burn down. Free markets FTW!
 
2012-06-30 03:19:41 AM

BronyMedic: I don't think they're going to be equipping AC-130s with anything but large caliber, direct fire weapons.


Those could be used to destroy home and businesses for fire breaks before real 'Mericans home catch fire.
 
2012-06-30 03:25:20 AM
The real heroes are the Colorado Springs evangelicals who don't hold a grudge against Jesus while he incinerates their McMansion.
 
2012-06-30 03:26:44 AM
Back in 1980, I was living in the mountaintop tourist community of Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino in Southern California. In November of 1980, a couple of days before Thanksgiving, one of the worst wildfires in California broke out. It was called the Panorama fire, and 286 houses and four lives were lost.

My family and I tried to leave the mountain as quickly as possible. But my mother flatly refused. She wanted to stand her ground. While my stepfather, stepsister and I loaded up the pickup trucks, she sat and watched TV and drank herself nearly blind. Some sheriff deputies finally showed up and told us to bug out. Trying to drive down the Rim highway was an ordeal. It felt like it took a million years and we didn't get that far. There was smoke and ash and embers fling everywhere. The fire was trying to jump the highway and into the community where it would've been impossible to stop.

The only thing holding back the fire was a line of firefighters. There were a few places where the highway narrowed, and you could look over the side, and down below there were the firefighters who looked like a gang of Archangel Micheal's mates holding the line against the forces of Hell.

We finally got to Crestline, and we were told that we couldn't go any farther and we couldn't go back. If the firefighters couldn't hold the line, we were pretty much boned. My mom owned a little soup and sandwich in Crestline, so we had a place to be. The rest of the town was pretty much abandoned. So I decided to walk down main street and see what else was going on.

I ended up at the bowling alley. There were only two other people there: The manager and a female cashier. They had waited too long too. I wasn't much for bowling, but they did have a great arcade. I got a couple of rolls of quarters and started playing, Just as I finished off the last roll of quarters, a firefighter bust in through bowling alley's doors.

He was missing his headgear, along with half the hair on top of his head and and an eyebrow. You could barely tell what color his firefighting outfit was. And I swear to God that his ax was smoking. He then looks around, sees the female cashier, and walks up to her with a swagger that would make John Wayne envious.

"Fire's contained," he says to the girl, "Let's go get married."

And out of the bowling alley they ran.

A couple hours later, the fire emergency was over for us, and a couple more hours later, we were sleeping in our own beds.
 
2012-06-30 03:32:29 AM
If Romney were astute,
he would have been there before Obama


No rule says that a candidate can't visit areas in need...
 
2012-06-30 03:44:33 AM

Smeggy Smurf: One is about saving lives due to external forces, one is about using taxation to change behavior. They are vastly different subjects. Subjects that I have no doubt will be debated (hopefully with integrity on both sides, especially mine) over the coming months and likely years.


Did you note the post that showed your claims about the cuts in airplanes is completely incorrect? You should really apologize for making that claim, if you are serious about caring.
 
2012-06-30 03:50:13 AM
What a silly waste of time and resources. If fartbamao wants to act presidential, he should wait several days while 1500 Americans die then fly over the disaster area to send the media photos of him looking out of an airplane window with a somewhat concerned look on his face!

Hell, Obama didn't even roll up his shirt sleeves!
 
2012-06-30 03:59:39 AM

bugmn99: Yep. Here comes big government to put out all of the fires that the local residents can't or choose not to put out for themselves. HOW WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER LEARN TO PUT OUT FIRES, POOPBAMA?!?!


Your sarcasm isn't even coming close to the level of Weapons Grade Derp in our local papers here. There have been some lovely observations in the opinion columns lately about, among other things;
1) how the firefighters are parasitic leeches sucking on big governments teat,
2) the fire should be taken care of by the private sector,
3) people whose homes were in danger deserved to lose them for having put their houses there in the first place, and that resources should not be wasted saving those who were so 'liberal' as to just expect the government would come save them.
4) how the fires were, for various ill-defined reasons, directly and personally Obama's fault, and
5) (and my favorite) that fighting the fire is a blasphemous and presumptuous liberal attempt to try to alter 'God's Will', and that he chose to start the fires to punish us and he will choose when they end.

I shiat you not. Some letters are a combination of two or three of these tropes. Its like a whole mental wing of a retirement home got a writing assignment.
 
2012-06-30 04:02:42 AM

Jesterling: What a silly waste of time and resources. If fartbamao wants to act presidential, he should wait several days while 1500 Americans die then fly over the disaster area to send the media photos of him looking out of an airplane window with a somewhat concerned look on his face!


www.huffingtonpost.com

what a concerned look might look like.
 
2012-06-30 04:11:00 AM
In 2010 I seem to recall Colorado Springs drastically cut their public services budget including fire, police and public spaces?

I guess that is working out for them then.
 
2012-06-30 04:45:55 AM
Let's also be clear as to what else they are... they're 12.00 an hour seasonal federal employees with no health insurance... and Mitt Romney thinks the lesson we should learn from Wisconsin is that we just have too darned many firefighters.
 
2012-06-30 04:46:52 AM

gothelder: In 2010 I seem to recall Colorado Springs drastically cut their public services budget including fire, police and public spaces?

I guess that is working out for them then.


Be that as it may, the fire started and exploded in size on federal park lands... by the time it reached the springs, it wouldn't matter if they had a thousand firefighters or a hundred thousand... sometimes nature just wont take no for an answer.
 
2012-06-30 04:49:00 AM

Coelacanth: Back in 1980, I was living in the mountaintop tourist community of Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino in Southern California. In November of 1980, a couple of days before Thanksgiving, one of the worst wildfires in California broke out. It was called the Panorama fire, and 286 houses and four lives were lost.

My family and I tried to leave the mountain as quickly as possible. But my mother flatly refused. She wanted to stand her ground. While my stepfather, stepsister and I loaded up the pickup trucks, she sat and watched TV and drank herself nearly blind. Some sheriff deputies finally showed up and told us to bug out. Trying to drive down the Rim highway was an ordeal. It felt like it took a million years and we didn't get that far. There was smoke and ash and embers fling everywhere. The fire was trying to jump the highway and into the community where it would've been impossible to stop.

The only thing holding back the fire was a line of firefighters. There were a few places where the highway narrowed, and you could look over the side, and down below there were the firefighters who looked like a gang of Archangel Micheal's mates holding the line against the forces of Hell.

We finally got to Crestline, and we were told that we couldn't go any farther and we couldn't go back. If the firefighters couldn't hold the line, we were pretty much boned. My mom owned a little soup and sandwich in Crestline, so we had a place to be. The rest of the town was pretty much abandoned. So I decided to walk down main street and see what else was going on.

I ended up at the bowling alley. There were only two other people there: The manager and a female cashier. They had waited too long too. I wasn't much for bowling, but they did have a great arcade. I got a couple of rolls of quarters and started playing, Just as I finished off the last roll of quarters, a firefighter bust in through bowling alley's doors.

He was missing his headgear, along with half the hair on top of his he ...


For size comparison, the one that only burned 275 homes here is still the "less destructive" fire... and that's just for june... it's gonna be a rough patch through winter.
 
2012-06-30 04:52:49 AM

propasaurus: Damn Obama politicizing the tragedy in Colorado for his own ego. He's just grandstanding. He should have just stayed home instead of just showing up for a photo op. His being there diverts needed resources from the firefighters, so he's just making things worse by being there.


It's the first time in decades a sitting president has directly ordered the FAA not to clear airspace overhead... firefighting operations went on as planned... he got an escort of a dozen or so paper pushers from the park service and interior, but wasn't really pulling extra emergency services... it was remarkably easy security, given that he was right next to the Air Force Academy and the area he was touring was still evacuated, so there wasn't much of anyone to protect him from.
 
2012-06-30 05:06:34 AM

ZeroPly: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that.

So when you save a million dollar house built in the wilderness from fire it's "general well being", but when you provide free medical care for someone with cancer it's "socialism"? Yeah, I'm starting to see how this whole "libertarian" thing works...


Simple: Things I approve of are "for the general welfare" - things I don't like are "transfer of wealth schemes". It's easy once you get the lingo down.
In in the innterest of the general welfare to prevent rich people from dying in fires. It's a transfer of wealth scheme to keep poor people from dying of hunger or exposure or lack of medical care.
Libertarianism: Autism expressed as a political philosophy.
 
2012-06-30 05:14:13 AM

Obryn: esteban9: Obryn: randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.

Jesus farkin' Christ!

It's Colorado Springs, which is basically Texas in Colorado.

Yes, with multi-million dollar homes instead of trailers.

Plenty of trailers. Not like we're talking about Aspen or Boulder...

Trust me.


Anyone who'd pay a million to live in Colorado Springs should be committed to a mental hospital. Pike's Peak notwithstanding, it may well be the blandest city in the West.
 
2012-06-30 05:16:30 AM
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2012-06-30 05:55:31 AM
You guys need a few of these:

upload.wikimedia.org

CL-215 Scooper water bomber. 1,400 gallons per drop, and it refills by skimming a lake... takes 10 seconds to fill it.

/brought you by the gay-loving, abortion-loving, free-healthcare socialist to your north.
 
2012-06-30 06:05:00 AM

Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.


Well, if only it turned out that the exact same number of firefighting planes are in the air as would be had another man been elected. If only it turned out that you were full of hot air.
 
2012-06-30 06:07:24 AM
It's all Bush's fault.
 
2012-06-30 06:08:44 AM

randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.


You are truly retarded if you think Farkers want wildfires, anywhere, to spread mayhem and destruction.

Then again, it's randomjsa .

/I shouldn't make fun of the mentally challenged.
 
2012-06-30 06:10:40 AM

Smeggy Smurf: ZeroPly: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that.

So when you save a million dollar house built in the wilderness from fire it's "general well being", but when you provide free medical care for someone with cancer it's "socialism"? Yeah, I'm starting to see how this whole "libertarian" thing works...

One is about saving lives due to external forces, one is about using taxation to change behavior. They are vastly different subjects. Subjects that I have no doubt will be debated (hopefully with integrity on both sides, especially mine) over the coming months and likely years.


That's a completely arbitrary distinction.

What's the difference between losing my home to a wildfire and losing my skin to a wildfire?
 
2012-06-30 06:41:39 AM
Smeggy Smurf
2012-06-30 02:10:04 AM
If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

\
This was an insult to the hard working firefighters that this so-called "President" showed up only to try to grab some of the limelight for himself. This worst President in History belongs in a jail cell instead of behind a podium.
 
2012-06-30 06:48:59 AM

LavenderWolf: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.

Well, if only it turned out that the exact same number of firefighting planes are in the air as would be had another man been elected. If only it turned out that you were full of hot air.


Don't sweat it... he's libertarian, and hopefully just smart enough to know that Romney is just as much pro-big government as Obama ever was, except he wants to help rich people instead of the poor and middle class. There's one or two straggler libertarians around, but I'd be ticked off if I was one... the Goldwater wing of the Republican party died with the inclusion of the Moral Majority people... libertarians are probably the second most underrepresented demographic segment in congress, second only to people with ethics.
 
2012-06-30 06:58:41 AM

Lord Dimwit: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

Except that the fleet of AC-130s equipped to handle firefighting using the necessary equipment before the budget cuts numbered...wait for it...eight. In other words, the same number of planes would be fighting the fire right now regardless of the cuts.

Oh, and the cuts haven't actually happened yet. Also, it cut 65 planes from a total of something like 400.


Just so we're clear... AC-130s don't fight fires, they just fight... The USAF has an abundance of C-130s they neither want nor need, mostly because they're built in Georgia as pork instead of building the planes we actually frickin need. If we were serious about aerial firefighting, we'd be buying a dozen and a half Bombardier 415s (previous gens weren't bad either) instead of trying to bastardize old planes and put firefighters needlessly in danger. The last thing Colorado needs right now is a repeat of this:

cellar.org

That thing under the plane there that's on fire... that's it's wing... and that's a C-130, and that's what happens when we try to make a cargo plane do high-performance, high-stress operations on a routine basis... structural failure resulting in death of crew and even bigger fire. They're an ok stopgap, but there are planes made to actually do a great job firefighting... so instead of just handing out more pork and putting everyone's life on the line, and despite John McCains hate of all things Canadian (he sure does hate that canadian bus chassis)... we should actually focus on using our money to save lives and fight fires efficiently. I think Smeggy's heart is in the right place... and you can't blame people for not being experts in everything... but he's just a little off the mark on this one... and to be fair to him, the story has been grossly misrepresented in some of the more "conservative" media that is pushing for this pork.
 
2012-06-30 07:05:48 AM

Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.


I'm not trying to pick on ya, but the C-130 program is total pork to Georgia... it's all about loading the USAF with 40 year old tech that it doesn't want any more because it's "bringing home the bacon." The DoD is not a jobs plan for the various states. What we need to fight fires is actual firefighting aircraft... it's sad that the best ones are made in Canada, not the US... but maybe if we would stop being dicks to our neighbor, they might cut us a good deal on them. I'm sure if congress had its way, to preserve American jobs, we could sink a few billion into a research program and contract bidfest between US manufacturers, and in 10-15 short years for barely 10x the price, we could get something nearly 85% as functional... but the reality is if you want government money to be spent efficiently, for firefighting anyways, go with the Bombardier 415s....

As for the "readily available" network of firebreaks... it's a cool idea, but mother nature is just kind of a biatch sometimes... that's the world we live in... earthquakes, floods, fires, hurricanes, droughts, and in some places, volcanos... our country is part of a magnificent and constantly changing Earth, and as such, shiats just going to happen sometimes.
 
2012-06-30 07:14:59 AM

firefly212: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.

I'm not trying to pick on ya, but the C-130 program is total pork to Georgia... it's all about loading the USAF with 40 year old tech that it doesn't want any more because it's "bringing home the bacon." The DoD is not a jobs plan for the various states. What we need to fight fires is actual firefighting aircraft... it's sad that the best ones are made in Canada, not the US... but maybe if we would stop being dicks to our neighbor, they might cut us a good deal on them. I'm sure if congress had its way, to preserve American jobs, we could sink a few billion into a research program and contract bidfest between US manufacturers, and in 10-15 short years for barely 10x the price, we could get something nearly 85% as functional... but the reality is if you want government money to be spent efficiently, for firefighting anyways, go with the Bombardier 415s....

As for the "readi ...


Canada and the US are in a fantastic position to help each other, in so many ways, but in general the populations of both refuse to see it.
 
2012-06-30 08:11:56 AM

anderseb2010: Obama wants more firefighters! The private sector is doing fine, okay! Obama is responsible for not spending enough on firefighting planes! Radical, socialist, communist, Marxist, Obamacare, blah-blah-blah...

But seriously, cheers to these guys. Obama's no gem, but you don't see Romney rushing to the scene (if only for a photo op). But what does it matter when you can just terrify the middle with millions and millions of dollars worth of ads?



Obama hadn't even spoken with CO's governor in over two weeks until a reporter asked him about it on Tuesday. Obama made the trip, not because of concern, but because CO is a swing state.

Using your logic, Obama helpedthe situation by showing up for a photo-op.
 
2012-06-30 08:15:53 AM

downpaymentblues: Did you note the post that showed your claims about the cuts in airplanes is completely incorrect? You should really apologize for making that claim, if you are serious about caring.


You do know that he's joking, parodying the nonsensically reactionist right-wingers who'd race to resurrect Hitler if Obama said Nazism was bad, yes?
 
2012-06-30 08:24:06 AM

coffee smells good: anderseb2010: Obama wants more firefighters! The private sector is doing fine, okay! Obama is responsible for not spending enough on firefighting planes! Radical, socialist, communist, Marxist, Obamacare, blah-blah-blah...

But seriously, cheers to these guys. Obama's no gem, but you don't see Romney rushing to the scene (if only for a photo op). But what does it matter when you can just terrify the middle with millions and millions of dollars worth of ads?


Obama hadn't even spoken with CO's governor in over two weeks until a reporter asked him about it on Tuesday. Obama made the trip, not because of concern, but because CO is a swing state.

Using your logic, Obama helpedthe situation by showing up for a photo-op.


Nothing personal, but our governor has been kind of busy anyways... he was making rounds in his own car handing out cases of water to firefighters with no media present... FEMA reviewed and accepted our application for emergency aid in less than 9 hours, and though they did not talk (apparently), the Federal Disaster Declaration from President Obama came less than two hours after our Governor sent it to the White House. Obama even made it clear (eventually he ordered the FAA not to clear the airspace) that he wouldn't come if it would, in any way, impede actual firefighting efforts. There's nothing anyone is going to say that could appease your cynicism, but sometimes, like this... you can't possibly grasp the scale of the destruction from our several fires without actually seeing them... Colorado has lost enough acreage to fire already (July isn't even here yet) to cover some of the smaller states. He came, and it was good... but don't kid yourself about any chance of Colorado swinging to Romney now... while our state was burning, he said the lesson from Wisconsin was that we didn't need so many firefighters... these kids are out there battling fires for 12 bucks an hour and no health insurance at all, trying their best to save half-million dollar homes, and the only salute they could get from the national GOP was of the one finger variety. Coloradans may love pot, jesus, and guns... but we're not dumb enough to fall for that farkwit.
 
2012-06-30 08:31:35 AM
Let's think about this:

Boulder, one of the most leftist cities in the country has a fire start closer than the fire in The Springs but is stopped and no damage is done.

CO Springs, one the most far right and religious cities, loses 350 homes and at least 2 people.

How did the hippies and left-over-Californians of Boulder escape while the Mexicans and God-fearin' people of The Springs not?
 
2012-06-30 08:40:46 AM

A Day Older than Yesterday: Let's think about this:

Boulder, one of the most leftist cities in the country has a fire start closer than the fire in The Springs but is stopped and no damage is done.

CO Springs, one the most far right and religious cities, loses 350 homes and at least 2 people.

How did the hippies and left-over-Californians of Boulder escape while the Mexicans and God-fearin' people of The Springs not?


An interesting theory that leaves out the fact that (fairly liberal) Fort Collins had more than 270 homes burn in the High Park fire.

Your question is, in principle, flawed though... Mother Nature destroys whatever she damn well pleases, rich, poor, religious, atheist... she pays no mind to our little labels, they all burn equally well.
 
2012-06-30 08:41:33 AM

A Day Older than Yesterday: Let's think about this:

Boulder, one of the most leftist cities in the country has a fire start closer than the fire in The Springs but is stopped and no damage is done.

CO Springs, one the most far right and religious cities, loses 350 homes and at least 2 people.

How did the hippies and left-over-Californians of Boulder escape while the Mexicans and God-fearin' people of The Springs not?


It's obvious. The heathens in Boulder were given belt buckles that said, "Gott Mit Uns." That Natzi/Soshulist stuff always trumps homo-closeted, pseudo-Christian "prayers".

/Wut?
 
2012-06-30 08:52:10 AM
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Nero fiddles while Rome burns...
 
2012-06-30 08:57:52 AM

firefly212: coffee smells good:

Obama hadn't even spoken with CO's governor in over two weeks until a reporter asked him about it on Tuesday. Obama made the trip, not because of concern, but because CO is a swing state.

Using your logic, Obama helpedthe situation by showing up for a photo-op.



Nothing personal, but our governor has been kind of busy anyways... he was making rounds in his own car handing out cases of water to firefighters with no media present... FEMA reviewed and accepted our application for emergency aid in less than 9 hours, and though they did not talk (apparently), the Federal Disaster Declaration from President Obama came less than two hours after our Governor sent it to the White House. Obama even made it clear (eventually he ordered the FAA not to clear the airspace) that he wouldn't come if it would, in any way, impede actual firefighting efforts. There's nothing anyone is going to say that could appease your cynicism, but sometimes, like this... you can't possibly grasp the scale of the destruction from our several fires without actually seeing them... Colorado has lost enough acreage to fire already (July isn't even here yet) to cover some of the smaller states. He came, and it was good... but don't kid yourself about any chance of Colorado swinging to Romney now... while our state was burning, he said the lesson from Wisconsin was that we didn't need so many firefighters... these kids are out there battling fires for 12 bucks an hour and no health insurance at all, trying their best to save h ...



Note to self mark firefly212 as potentially paid BHO apologist. Well written, well articulate response almost immediately on a Saturday morning.

But for anyone who isn't aware, the original poster is correct. At the morning press briefing it was pointed out that Obama had not had contact with Hickenlooper in over two weeks. There was some media clammering that morning until The President's schedule was quickly changed and the trip was announced.
And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.
 
2012-06-30 09:22:36 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x406]

Nero fiddles while Rome burns...


I like how you posted that on the same page as Bush with the guitar during Katrina. It's like you wanted everyone to see your fail in high definition.
 
2012-06-30 09:23:47 AM

coffee smells good: Obama made the trip, not because of concern, but because CO is a swing state


FTFA: "Already, Mr Obama also has walked tornado-stricken streets in Missouri and Alabama, and met with flood victims in Tennessee, all states that voted against him in the 2008 presidential election".
 
2012-06-30 09:37:50 AM

patent holder: And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.


[citation needed]
 
2012-06-30 09:43:44 AM
"he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

Is this Mitt Romney's Bobby Jindal "Volcano monitoring" moment? You know, when they say we don't need something, then shiat blows up, and maybe that thing they just said we don't need is very much needed? Something like a month after Jindal's volcano monitoring statement one blew up in Alaska. Earlier this month, Romney said the above, and now Colorado is being torched.
 
2012-06-30 09:58:39 AM

Zalan: "he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

Is this Mitt Romney's Bobby Jindal "Volcano monitoring" moment? You know, when they say we don't need something, then shiat blows up, and maybe that thing they just said we don't need is very much needed? Something like a month after Jindal's volcano monitoring statement one blew up in Alaska. Earlier this month, Romney said the above, and now Colorado is being torched.


That's because he's an idiot.
McCain/Palin was a circus and a joke but Romney is embarrassing.
Mitt's the best you got GOP?
 
2012-06-30 10:36:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x406]

Nero fiddles while Rome burns...

I like how you posted that on the same page as Bush with the guitar during Katrina. It's like you wanted everyone to see your fail in high definition.


Except Bush isn't in office anymore, your dear sosholist leader is and he's not one damn bit better in a situation like this. Political grandstanding in a swing state while Colo burns. Fartbongo should stick to playing golf. It's all he's good for.
 
2012-06-30 10:44:04 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Except Bush isn't in office anymore, your dear sosholist leader is and he's not one damn bit better in a situation like this. Political grandstanding in a swing state while Colo burns. Fartbongo should stick to playing golf. It's all he's good for.


Uh huh. Guess you didn't like being called out for your inept comparison, eh? Obama is there as the fires are still raging. Bush flew over Katrina.

Are you going to whine at me again about golf? Cause that would be hilarious.
 
2012-06-30 11:03:59 AM
How can the private sector be doing fine IF IT'S ON FIRE
 
2012-06-30 11:10:18 AM

firefly212: It's the first time in decades a sitting president has directly ordered the FAA not to clear airspace overhead.


Wait, what? They still put out a TFR for his visit. Unless it was greatly reduced from the standard one...


FAA TO ESTABLISH TFR OVER COLORADO SPRINGS, CO ON FRIDAY, JUNE 29
A NOTAM has been issued that will restrict flight in the area during
President Obama's planned visit.

==> 30 NM RADIUS TFR Location:
On the BUTTS VOR/DME (FCS) 007 degree radial at 7.9 nautical miles
From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL

Times:
11:30 AM local until 4:00 PM local Friday, June 29, 2012

==> AFFECTED PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS
KCOS City of Colorado Springs Muni
KFLY Meadow Lake
A50 Colorado Springs East
5V4 Calhan
1V6 Fremont County
/i>
 
2012-06-30 11:17:36 AM

cameroncrazy1984: patent holder: And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.

[citation needed]


Why? Don't you know how to use google/bing/yahoo.....?

Typical loser can't make a logical (or funny) remark so the "citation needed" line drips out. IT WASN'T AN IMPORTANT POINT IN HIS/HER POST YOU DOPE!!!!!

Is it apparent that I'm one of those tired of posters not being able to put anything of value in threads but want to see their name on the interwebs? Kinda like having someone talk just to hear their own voice.
 
2012-06-30 11:20:56 AM

coffee smells good: Typical loser can't make a logical (or funny) remark so the "citation needed" line drips out. IT WASN'T AN IMPORTANT POINT IN HIS/HER POST YOU DOPE!!!!!


Don't post unsourced crap and people won't call you out on it. Seems pretty simple to me.

Misinformation deserves to be shouted down, no matter how small it might be.
 
2012-06-30 11:21:14 AM

coffee smells good: cameroncrazy1984: patent holder: And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.

[citation needed]

Why? Don't you know how to use google/bing/yahoo.....?


Doesn't matter. It is the responsibility of the person who makes the claim to provide supporting evidence.

But you're a Republican, so you probably wouldn't have known that.
 
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