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(Daily Mail)   "They are genuine heroes". President Obama praises first responders as he tours charred wreckage of smoldering Colorado neighborhoods destroyed by wildfires (w/photos) (tag is for the first responders)   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 134
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2012-06-30 01:11:30 AM  
Stopped for gas at I-15 and 119 today and there was a giant billboard by the waffle house. It had a photo showing a silhouette of a firefighter working against a backdrop of a wall of flames and burning trees. The only text on it was the big white letters spelling out "Thank You"

It was pretty cool.
 
2012-06-30 01:20:23 AM  

unlikely: Stopped for gas at I-15 and 119 today and there was a giant billboard by the waffle house. It had a photo showing a silhouette of a firefighter working against a backdrop of a wall of flames and burning trees. The only text on it was the big white letters spelling out "Thank You"

It was pretty cool.


I would have loved to seen that.
 
2012-06-30 01:59:38 AM  
If Obama thinks these folks are genuine heroes, I bet they're actually socialists.

START UP THE CONTRARY MACHINE
 
2012-06-30 02:08:16 AM  
Yep. Here comes big government to put out all of the fires that the local residents can't or choose not to put out for themselves. HOW WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER LEARN TO PUT OUT FIRES, POOPBAMA?!?!
 
2012-06-30 02:10:04 AM  
If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.
 
2012-06-30 02:10:24 AM  
Damn Obama politicizing the tragedy in Colorado for his own ego. He's just grandstanding. He should have just stayed home instead of just showing up for a photo op. His being there diverts needed resources from the firefighters, so he's just making things worse by being there.
 
2012-06-30 02:11:03 AM  
Obama wants more firefighters! The private sector is doing fine, okay! Obama is responsible for not spending enough on firefighting planes! Radical, socialist, communist, Marxist, Obamacare, blah-blah-blah...

But seriously, cheers to these guys. Obama's no gem, but you don't see Romney rushing to the scene (if only for a photo op). But what does it matter when you can just terrify the middle with millions and millions of dollars worth of ads?
 
2012-06-30 02:11:36 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.


So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?
 
2012-06-30 02:13:21 AM  

dickfreckle: If Obama thinks these folks are genuine heroes, I bet they're actually socialists.

START UP THE CONTRARY MACHINE


Buncha union thugs? No wonder Obama considers them heroes. How many firefighters have ever taken down a member of the new black panthers? Zero! I wonder why....
 
2012-06-30 02:15:52 AM  

dickfreckle: If Obama thinks these folks are genuine heroes, I bet they're actually socialists.

START UP THE CONTRARY MACHINE


I think Obama was actually in Maine. Lighting things on fire. And making fun of the local fire department. And is a Nazi.
 
2012-06-30 02:16:26 AM  
HOW DARE OBAMA PRAISE FIREFIGHTERS
 
2012-06-30 02:17:38 AM  
Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

I don't think they're going to be equipping AC-130s with anything but large caliber, direct fire weapons. You may be thinking of a C-130.
 
2012-06-30 02:18:56 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.


Except that the fleet of AC-130s equipped to handle firefighting using the necessary equipment before the budget cuts numbered...wait for it...eight. In other words, the same number of planes would be fighting the fire right now regardless of the cuts.

Oh, and the cuts haven't actually happened yet. Also, it cut 65 planes from a total of something like 400.
 
2012-06-30 02:19:21 AM  
Obama started the fires personally so that he could take out Focus on the Family and the Air Force Academy. Note that the AFA is the most Christian of the military academies. He's congratulating these men and women, but it's patently clear that he doesn't really want to.
 
2012-06-30 02:20:08 AM  
I GUES NEGROBAMUS THINKS FIRE IS MADE OF HUMON FETUSES?!?! EMPEACH NOW!!!
 
2012-06-30 02:21:09 AM  
So, anyone know what started the fires???

bossip.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-30 02:21:19 AM  

BSABSVR: Obama started the fires personally so that he could take out Focus on the Family and the Air Force Academy. Note that the AFA is the most Christian of the military academies. He's congratulating these men and women, but it's patently clear that he doesn't really want to.


I would support the taking out of Focus on the Family.

/who should mind their own damn business
 
2012-06-30 02:24:47 AM  

Mildot: So, anyone know what started the fires???

[bossip.files.wordpress.com image 611x404]


Nobody. They were always burnin' since the world's been turnin'.
 
2012-06-30 02:25:43 AM  
Good. Now send some of them farkers here; 500k without power.

And it's goddammed hot.
 
2012-06-30 02:26:31 AM  
Whatever. The thing no one is catching is the need to eradicate the damn Mountain Pine Beetle. They eat the trees & leave them dead as matchsticks. Once the fires are through, Coloradans will be faced with catastrophic flooding & mudslides this summer as there are no trees to hold down the top soil.

/My family lives in Denver, Colo Sprgs & Ft Collins
//My cousins new house was a mile from the fire in Waldo Canyon
 
2012-06-30 02:28:25 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

Except that the fleet of AC-130s equipped to handle firefighting using the necessary equipment before the budget cuts numbered...wait for it...eight. In other words, the same number of planes would be fighting the fire right now regardless of the cuts.

Oh, and the cuts haven't actually happened yet. Also, it cut 65 planes from a total of something like 400.


C-130

www.aeronauticpictures.com

AC-130

www.lowbird.com

AC-130 Strike
 
2012-06-30 02:28:31 AM  

propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?


That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.
 
2012-06-30 02:29:53 AM  

PsychoLaurie: Whatever. The thing no one is catching is the need to eradicate the damn Mountain Pine Beetle.


Taking care of trees? Sounds like some hippie shiat to me. We'll pass.
 
2012-06-30 02:29:58 AM  
And yeah yeah, I've been in the booze again. My goof, adding an additional letter to the Hercipig. My apologies to all who fly the sewerpipe.

/Coastie brat
//frustrated eggbeaters FTW
///TUPPERWOLF!!!
 
2012-06-30 02:34:43 AM  
Cool. I've seen Republican idiots blabbering about how insensitive and attention-whoring it is for Obama to go there and back up traffic with his motorcade, and how the tax dollars spent on him being there should be spent on fighting the fires, as if it's being siphoned from those efforts. It's like they don't remember that the President visiting disaster zones is traditional. It has happened with every President and every disaster for a very long time.
 
2012-06-30 02:36:35 AM  

PsychoLaurie: Whatever. The thing no one is catching is the need to eradicate the damn Mountain Pine Beetle. They eat the trees & leave them dead as matchsticks. Once the fires are through, Coloradans will be faced with catastrophic flooding & mudslides this summer as there are no trees to hold down the top soil.

/My family lives in Denver, Colo Sprgs & Ft Collins
//My cousins new house was a mile from the fire in Waldo Canyon


We had the same problem in Southern California, except it was the Japanese Bark Beetle, same family as the Mountain Pine Beetle. They killed off so many trees in the San Bernardino Mountains, that the whole area was just waiting to go up in flames... and it did.
 
2012-06-30 02:38:09 AM  

Mildot: Lord Dimwit: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

Except that the fleet of AC-130s equipped to handle firefighting using the necessary equipment before the budget cuts numbered...wait for it...eight. In other words, the same number of planes would be fighting the fire right now regardless of the cuts.

Oh, and the cuts haven't actually happened yet. Also, it cut 65 planes from a total of something like 400.

C-130

[www.aeronauticpictures.com image 484x322]

AC-130

[www.lowbird.com image 640x480]

AC-130 Strike


I know, I know. Still, an AC-130 fighting fire with...erm...fire, would be pretty cool.
 
2012-06-30 02:39:16 AM  
Why is Obama commiserating with these Republican fundies in Colo. Springs? Where's Romney?
 
2012-06-30 02:39:30 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.


You should advocate for a giant, nation-wide, sprinkler system.
 
2012-06-30 02:40:39 AM  
Kind of cheesy to use the Daily Mail as the news source. It's not so much sensational news as actual news.
 
2012-06-30 02:43:23 AM  

esteban9: Why is Obama commiserating with these Republican fundies in Colo. Springs? Where's Romney?


He's campaigning talking about how we need to cut back on firefighters ,teachers and repeal Romneycare
 
2012-06-30 02:43:25 AM  

esteban9: Why is Obama commiserating with these Republican fundies in Colo. Springs? Where's Romney?


Consoling the people who lost their multimillion dollar homes
 
2012-06-30 02:48:55 AM  
Ya know, ya can certainly get by by showering only every 3 days. And even then, only washing the stinky bits.
 
2012-06-30 02:50:15 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that.


So when you save a million dollar house built in the wilderness from fire it's "general well being", but when you provide free medical care for someone with cancer it's "socialism"? Yeah, I'm starting to see how this whole "libertarian" thing works...
 
2012-06-30 02:51:27 AM  

esteban9: Ya know, ya can certainly get by by showering only every 3 days. And even then, only washing the stinky bits.


Oops, wrong thread. Carry on.
 
2012-06-30 02:56:42 AM  
Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.
 
2012-06-30 02:56:55 AM  
[punches self in face for reading this stupid thread]
 
2012-06-30 02:58:00 AM  
Since 9/11, appears you have to be paid for good deeds to be a hero.
 
2012-06-30 03:01:00 AM  

esteban9: esteban9: Ya know, ya can certainly get by by showering only every 3 days. And even then, only washing the stinky bits.

Oops, wrong thread. Carry on.


lol
 
2012-06-30 03:01:40 AM  

randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.


Why it's almost as if Colorado's governor isn't talking about seceding and lynching Ben Bernanke and such!

Strange how that works.
 
2012-06-30 03:03:45 AM  
Submitter, I like how you clarified who the hero tag was for in order to prevent your headline from being redlit.

/They are indeed all heroes.
 
2012-06-30 03:03:54 AM  

randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.


Yes, there is a massive, hidden anti-Texas conspiracy amongst Farkers.
 
2012-06-30 03:08:00 AM  

esteban9: Yes, there is a massive, hidden anti-Texas conspiracy amongst Farkers.


I dunno, man. I think I saw a bogeyman behind that tree over there. Better send in Hannity to investigate.
 
2012-06-30 03:10:35 AM  

BSABSVR: randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.

Why it's almost as if Colorado's governor isn't talking about seceding and lynching Ben Bernanke and such!

Strange how that works.


Also, it's as if Colorado has one of the highest percentages of well educated people, as opposed to the festering cesspool of derp that is texass
 
2012-06-30 03:12:40 AM  

randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.


Jesus farkin' Christ!

It's Colorado Springs, which is basically Texas in Colorado.
 
2012-06-30 03:13:15 AM  

randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.


That's because Texas sucks.
 
2012-06-30 03:13:41 AM  

Obryn: randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.

Jesus farkin' Christ!

It's Colorado Springs, which is basically Texas in Colorado.


Yes, with multi-million dollar homes instead of trailers.
 
2012-06-30 03:14:00 AM  

propasaurus: Damn Obama politicizing the tragedy in Colorado for his own ego. He's just grandstanding. He should have just stayed home instead of just showing up for a photo op. His being there diverts needed resources from the firefighters, so he's just making things worse by being there.


He doesn't show and people start whining about a President who doesn't care and is out of touch with the people?
 
2012-06-30 03:14:05 AM  
Shouldn't there be regular controlled burn offs to prevent this sort of thing happening and promote new growth? Or is there too much forest, scrubland and unpredictable weather patterns to keep any burn off contained and under control?
 
2012-06-30 03:14:32 AM  

ZeroPly: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that.

So when you save a million dollar house built in the wilderness from fire it's "general well being", but when you provide free medical care for someone with cancer it's "socialism"? Yeah, I'm starting to see how this whole "libertarian" thing works...


One is about saving lives due to external forces, one is about using taxation to change behavior. They are vastly different subjects. Subjects that I have no doubt will be debated (hopefully with integrity on both sides, especially mine) over the coming months and likely years.
 
2012-06-30 03:16:24 AM  

esteban9: Obryn: randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.

Jesus farkin' Christ!

It's Colorado Springs, which is basically Texas in Colorado.

Yes, with multi-million dollar homes instead of trailers.


Plenty of trailers. Not like we're talking about Aspen or Boulder...

Trust me.
 
2012-06-30 03:16:30 AM  

thisispete: Shouldn't there be regular controlled burn offs to prevent this sort of thing happening and promote new growth? Or is there too much forest, scrubland and unpredictable weather patterns to keep any burn off contained and under control?


The North Fork Fire earlier in spring was caused by a controlled burn. Since then, the governor has banned them until we get more rain.
 
2012-06-30 03:16:49 AM  
This all happened after he left. Coincidence?

www.evangelicaloutreach.org
 
2012-06-30 03:17:14 AM  

bugmn99: Yep. Here comes big government to put out all of the fires that the local residents can't or choose not to put out for themselves. HOW WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER LEARN TO PUT OUT FIRES, POOPBAMA?!?!


Residents should contract with private companies for firefighting and emergency services. This will reduce costs and improve service. People who don't pay will have to watch their homes and businesses burn down. Free markets FTW!
 
2012-06-30 03:19:41 AM  

BronyMedic: I don't think they're going to be equipping AC-130s with anything but large caliber, direct fire weapons.


Those could be used to destroy home and businesses for fire breaks before real 'Mericans home catch fire.
 
2012-06-30 03:25:20 AM  
The real heroes are the Colorado Springs evangelicals who don't hold a grudge against Jesus while he incinerates their McMansion.
 
2012-06-30 03:26:44 AM  
Back in 1980, I was living in the mountaintop tourist community of Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino in Southern California. In November of 1980, a couple of days before Thanksgiving, one of the worst wildfires in California broke out. It was called the Panorama fire, and 286 houses and four lives were lost.

My family and I tried to leave the mountain as quickly as possible. But my mother flatly refused. She wanted to stand her ground. While my stepfather, stepsister and I loaded up the pickup trucks, she sat and watched TV and drank herself nearly blind. Some sheriff deputies finally showed up and told us to bug out. Trying to drive down the Rim highway was an ordeal. It felt like it took a million years and we didn't get that far. There was smoke and ash and embers fling everywhere. The fire was trying to jump the highway and into the community where it would've been impossible to stop.

The only thing holding back the fire was a line of firefighters. There were a few places where the highway narrowed, and you could look over the side, and down below there were the firefighters who looked like a gang of Archangel Micheal's mates holding the line against the forces of Hell.

We finally got to Crestline, and we were told that we couldn't go any farther and we couldn't go back. If the firefighters couldn't hold the line, we were pretty much boned. My mom owned a little soup and sandwich in Crestline, so we had a place to be. The rest of the town was pretty much abandoned. So I decided to walk down main street and see what else was going on.

I ended up at the bowling alley. There were only two other people there: The manager and a female cashier. They had waited too long too. I wasn't much for bowling, but they did have a great arcade. I got a couple of rolls of quarters and started playing, Just as I finished off the last roll of quarters, a firefighter bust in through bowling alley's doors.

He was missing his headgear, along with half the hair on top of his head and and an eyebrow. You could barely tell what color his firefighting outfit was. And I swear to God that his ax was smoking. He then looks around, sees the female cashier, and walks up to her with a swagger that would make John Wayne envious.

"Fire's contained," he says to the girl, "Let's go get married."

And out of the bowling alley they ran.

A couple hours later, the fire emergency was over for us, and a couple more hours later, we were sleeping in our own beds.
 
2012-06-30 03:32:29 AM  
If Romney were astute,
he would have been there before Obama


No rule says that a candidate can't visit areas in need...
 
2012-06-30 03:44:33 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: One is about saving lives due to external forces, one is about using taxation to change behavior. They are vastly different subjects. Subjects that I have no doubt will be debated (hopefully with integrity on both sides, especially mine) over the coming months and likely years.


Did you note the post that showed your claims about the cuts in airplanes is completely incorrect? You should really apologize for making that claim, if you are serious about caring.
 
2012-06-30 03:50:13 AM  
What a silly waste of time and resources. If fartbamao wants to act presidential, he should wait several days while 1500 Americans die then fly over the disaster area to send the media photos of him looking out of an airplane window with a somewhat concerned look on his face!

Hell, Obama didn't even roll up his shirt sleeves!
 
2012-06-30 03:59:39 AM  

bugmn99: Yep. Here comes big government to put out all of the fires that the local residents can't or choose not to put out for themselves. HOW WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER LEARN TO PUT OUT FIRES, POOPBAMA?!?!


Your sarcasm isn't even coming close to the level of Weapons Grade Derp in our local papers here. There have been some lovely observations in the opinion columns lately about, among other things;
1) how the firefighters are parasitic leeches sucking on big governments teat,
2) the fire should be taken care of by the private sector,
3) people whose homes were in danger deserved to lose them for having put their houses there in the first place, and that resources should not be wasted saving those who were so 'liberal' as to just expect the government would come save them.
4) how the fires were, for various ill-defined reasons, directly and personally Obama's fault, and
5) (and my favorite) that fighting the fire is a blasphemous and presumptuous liberal attempt to try to alter 'God's Will', and that he chose to start the fires to punish us and he will choose when they end.

I shiat you not. Some letters are a combination of two or three of these tropes. Its like a whole mental wing of a retirement home got a writing assignment.
 
2012-06-30 04:02:42 AM  

Jesterling: What a silly waste of time and resources. If fartbamao wants to act presidential, he should wait several days while 1500 Americans die then fly over the disaster area to send the media photos of him looking out of an airplane window with a somewhat concerned look on his face!


www.huffingtonpost.com

what a concerned look might look like.
 
2012-06-30 04:11:00 AM  
In 2010 I seem to recall Colorado Springs drastically cut their public services budget including fire, police and public spaces?

I guess that is working out for them then.
 
2012-06-30 04:45:55 AM  
Let's also be clear as to what else they are... they're 12.00 an hour seasonal federal employees with no health insurance... and Mitt Romney thinks the lesson we should learn from Wisconsin is that we just have too darned many firefighters.
 
2012-06-30 04:46:52 AM  

gothelder: In 2010 I seem to recall Colorado Springs drastically cut their public services budget including fire, police and public spaces?

I guess that is working out for them then.


Be that as it may, the fire started and exploded in size on federal park lands... by the time it reached the springs, it wouldn't matter if they had a thousand firefighters or a hundred thousand... sometimes nature just wont take no for an answer.
 
2012-06-30 04:49:00 AM  

Coelacanth: Back in 1980, I was living in the mountaintop tourist community of Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino in Southern California. In November of 1980, a couple of days before Thanksgiving, one of the worst wildfires in California broke out. It was called the Panorama fire, and 286 houses and four lives were lost.

My family and I tried to leave the mountain as quickly as possible. But my mother flatly refused. She wanted to stand her ground. While my stepfather, stepsister and I loaded up the pickup trucks, she sat and watched TV and drank herself nearly blind. Some sheriff deputies finally showed up and told us to bug out. Trying to drive down the Rim highway was an ordeal. It felt like it took a million years and we didn't get that far. There was smoke and ash and embers fling everywhere. The fire was trying to jump the highway and into the community where it would've been impossible to stop.

The only thing holding back the fire was a line of firefighters. There were a few places where the highway narrowed, and you could look over the side, and down below there were the firefighters who looked like a gang of Archangel Micheal's mates holding the line against the forces of Hell.

We finally got to Crestline, and we were told that we couldn't go any farther and we couldn't go back. If the firefighters couldn't hold the line, we were pretty much boned. My mom owned a little soup and sandwich in Crestline, so we had a place to be. The rest of the town was pretty much abandoned. So I decided to walk down main street and see what else was going on.

I ended up at the bowling alley. There were only two other people there: The manager and a female cashier. They had waited too long too. I wasn't much for bowling, but they did have a great arcade. I got a couple of rolls of quarters and started playing, Just as I finished off the last roll of quarters, a firefighter bust in through bowling alley's doors.

He was missing his headgear, along with half the hair on top of his he ...


For size comparison, the one that only burned 275 homes here is still the "less destructive" fire... and that's just for june... it's gonna be a rough patch through winter.
 
2012-06-30 04:52:49 AM  

propasaurus: Damn Obama politicizing the tragedy in Colorado for his own ego. He's just grandstanding. He should have just stayed home instead of just showing up for a photo op. His being there diverts needed resources from the firefighters, so he's just making things worse by being there.


It's the first time in decades a sitting president has directly ordered the FAA not to clear airspace overhead... firefighting operations went on as planned... he got an escort of a dozen or so paper pushers from the park service and interior, but wasn't really pulling extra emergency services... it was remarkably easy security, given that he was right next to the Air Force Academy and the area he was touring was still evacuated, so there wasn't much of anyone to protect him from.
 
2012-06-30 05:06:34 AM  

ZeroPly: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that.

So when you save a million dollar house built in the wilderness from fire it's "general well being", but when you provide free medical care for someone with cancer it's "socialism"? Yeah, I'm starting to see how this whole "libertarian" thing works...


Simple: Things I approve of are "for the general welfare" - things I don't like are "transfer of wealth schemes". It's easy once you get the lingo down.
In in the innterest of the general welfare to prevent rich people from dying in fires. It's a transfer of wealth scheme to keep poor people from dying of hunger or exposure or lack of medical care.
Libertarianism: Autism expressed as a political philosophy.
 
2012-06-30 05:14:13 AM  

Obryn: esteban9: Obryn: randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.

Jesus farkin' Christ!

It's Colorado Springs, which is basically Texas in Colorado.

Yes, with multi-million dollar homes instead of trailers.

Plenty of trailers. Not like we're talking about Aspen or Boulder...

Trust me.


Anyone who'd pay a million to live in Colorado Springs should be committed to a mental hospital. Pike's Peak notwithstanding, it may well be the blandest city in the West.
 
2012-06-30 05:16:30 AM  
i911.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-30 05:55:31 AM  
You guys need a few of these:

upload.wikimedia.org

CL-215 Scooper water bomber. 1,400 gallons per drop, and it refills by skimming a lake... takes 10 seconds to fill it.

/brought you by the gay-loving, abortion-loving, free-healthcare socialist to your north.
 
2012-06-30 06:05:00 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.


Well, if only it turned out that the exact same number of firefighting planes are in the air as would be had another man been elected. If only it turned out that you were full of hot air.
 
2012-06-30 06:07:24 AM  
It's all Bush's fault.
 
2012-06-30 06:08:44 AM  

randomjsa: Well I'm glad to see Fark has moved on from laughing at massive fires and actively wishing more life loss and property damage... I wonder what changed their minds.

Oh wait, that's right! They did that when it was Texas on fire but now that its Colorado their hearts are totally with the people and the fire fighters.


You are truly retarded if you think Farkers want wildfires, anywhere, to spread mayhem and destruction.

Then again, it's randomjsa .

/I shouldn't make fun of the mentally challenged.
 
2012-06-30 06:10:40 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: ZeroPly: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that.

So when you save a million dollar house built in the wilderness from fire it's "general well being", but when you provide free medical care for someone with cancer it's "socialism"? Yeah, I'm starting to see how this whole "libertarian" thing works...

One is about saving lives due to external forces, one is about using taxation to change behavior. They are vastly different subjects. Subjects that I have no doubt will be debated (hopefully with integrity on both sides, especially mine) over the coming months and likely years.


That's a completely arbitrary distinction.

What's the difference between losing my home to a wildfire and losing my skin to a wildfire?
 
2012-06-30 06:41:39 AM  
Smeggy Smurf
2012-06-30 02:10:04 AM
If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

\
This was an insult to the hard working firefighters that this so-called "President" showed up only to try to grab some of the limelight for himself. This worst President in History belongs in a jail cell instead of behind a podium.
 
2012-06-30 06:48:59 AM  

LavenderWolf: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.

Well, if only it turned out that the exact same number of firefighting planes are in the air as would be had another man been elected. If only it turned out that you were full of hot air.


Don't sweat it... he's libertarian, and hopefully just smart enough to know that Romney is just as much pro-big government as Obama ever was, except he wants to help rich people instead of the poor and middle class. There's one or two straggler libertarians around, but I'd be ticked off if I was one... the Goldwater wing of the Republican party died with the inclusion of the Moral Majority people... libertarians are probably the second most underrepresented demographic segment in congress, second only to people with ethics.
 
2012-06-30 06:58:41 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

Except that the fleet of AC-130s equipped to handle firefighting using the necessary equipment before the budget cuts numbered...wait for it...eight. In other words, the same number of planes would be fighting the fire right now regardless of the cuts.

Oh, and the cuts haven't actually happened yet. Also, it cut 65 planes from a total of something like 400.


Just so we're clear... AC-130s don't fight fires, they just fight... The USAF has an abundance of C-130s they neither want nor need, mostly because they're built in Georgia as pork instead of building the planes we actually frickin need. If we were serious about aerial firefighting, we'd be buying a dozen and a half Bombardier 415s (previous gens weren't bad either) instead of trying to bastardize old planes and put firefighters needlessly in danger. The last thing Colorado needs right now is a repeat of this:

cellar.org

That thing under the plane there that's on fire... that's it's wing... and that's a C-130, and that's what happens when we try to make a cargo plane do high-performance, high-stress operations on a routine basis... structural failure resulting in death of crew and even bigger fire. They're an ok stopgap, but there are planes made to actually do a great job firefighting... so instead of just handing out more pork and putting everyone's life on the line, and despite John McCains hate of all things Canadian (he sure does hate that canadian bus chassis)... we should actually focus on using our money to save lives and fight fires efficiently. I think Smeggy's heart is in the right place... and you can't blame people for not being experts in everything... but he's just a little off the mark on this one... and to be fair to him, the story has been grossly misrepresented in some of the more "conservative" media that is pushing for this pork.
 
2012-06-30 07:05:48 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.


I'm not trying to pick on ya, but the C-130 program is total pork to Georgia... it's all about loading the USAF with 40 year old tech that it doesn't want any more because it's "bringing home the bacon." The DoD is not a jobs plan for the various states. What we need to fight fires is actual firefighting aircraft... it's sad that the best ones are made in Canada, not the US... but maybe if we would stop being dicks to our neighbor, they might cut us a good deal on them. I'm sure if congress had its way, to preserve American jobs, we could sink a few billion into a research program and contract bidfest between US manufacturers, and in 10-15 short years for barely 10x the price, we could get something nearly 85% as functional... but the reality is if you want government money to be spent efficiently, for firefighting anyways, go with the Bombardier 415s....

As for the "readily available" network of firebreaks... it's a cool idea, but mother nature is just kind of a biatch sometimes... that's the world we live in... earthquakes, floods, fires, hurricanes, droughts, and in some places, volcanos... our country is part of a magnificent and constantly changing Earth, and as such, shiats just going to happen sometimes.
 
2012-06-30 07:14:59 AM  

firefly212: Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: Smeggy Smurf: If he hadn't cut the budget for equipping AC-130s with the fire fighting equipment we'd have hundreds of planes working instead of 8.

So now you're saying the government should have spent more money?

That is exactly what I'm saying. The constitution makes it clear that the government is to provide for the general well being of the citizens. Not dying in a fire that can be contained falls under that. The main purpose of the Federal Government is to keep bad guys and bad things from killing it's citizens. Not stealing money from one group to give to another. Not to make sure Bank Rape stays in business. Not to give a shiat about whether or not straights or queers marry. That is for the states. The feds are there to make sure bad guys die over there and the states don't rape each other/citizens.

As a proud libertarian, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars go to ensuring that a network of firebreaks are readily available for construction to ensure that no life or property is harmed by external forces. It all comes back to life, liberty and property.

I'm not trying to pick on ya, but the C-130 program is total pork to Georgia... it's all about loading the USAF with 40 year old tech that it doesn't want any more because it's "bringing home the bacon." The DoD is not a jobs plan for the various states. What we need to fight fires is actual firefighting aircraft... it's sad that the best ones are made in Canada, not the US... but maybe if we would stop being dicks to our neighbor, they might cut us a good deal on them. I'm sure if congress had its way, to preserve American jobs, we could sink a few billion into a research program and contract bidfest between US manufacturers, and in 10-15 short years for barely 10x the price, we could get something nearly 85% as functional... but the reality is if you want government money to be spent efficiently, for firefighting anyways, go with the Bombardier 415s....

As for the "readi ...


Canada and the US are in a fantastic position to help each other, in so many ways, but in general the populations of both refuse to see it.
 
2012-06-30 08:11:56 AM  

anderseb2010: Obama wants more firefighters! The private sector is doing fine, okay! Obama is responsible for not spending enough on firefighting planes! Radical, socialist, communist, Marxist, Obamacare, blah-blah-blah...

But seriously, cheers to these guys. Obama's no gem, but you don't see Romney rushing to the scene (if only for a photo op). But what does it matter when you can just terrify the middle with millions and millions of dollars worth of ads?



Obama hadn't even spoken with CO's governor in over two weeks until a reporter asked him about it on Tuesday. Obama made the trip, not because of concern, but because CO is a swing state.

Using your logic, Obama helpedthe situation by showing up for a photo-op.
 
2012-06-30 08:15:53 AM  

downpaymentblues: Did you note the post that showed your claims about the cuts in airplanes is completely incorrect? You should really apologize for making that claim, if you are serious about caring.


You do know that he's joking, parodying the nonsensically reactionist right-wingers who'd race to resurrect Hitler if Obama said Nazism was bad, yes?
 
2012-06-30 08:24:06 AM  

coffee smells good: anderseb2010: Obama wants more firefighters! The private sector is doing fine, okay! Obama is responsible for not spending enough on firefighting planes! Radical, socialist, communist, Marxist, Obamacare, blah-blah-blah...

But seriously, cheers to these guys. Obama's no gem, but you don't see Romney rushing to the scene (if only for a photo op). But what does it matter when you can just terrify the middle with millions and millions of dollars worth of ads?


Obama hadn't even spoken with CO's governor in over two weeks until a reporter asked him about it on Tuesday. Obama made the trip, not because of concern, but because CO is a swing state.

Using your logic, Obama helpedthe situation by showing up for a photo-op.


Nothing personal, but our governor has been kind of busy anyways... he was making rounds in his own car handing out cases of water to firefighters with no media present... FEMA reviewed and accepted our application for emergency aid in less than 9 hours, and though they did not talk (apparently), the Federal Disaster Declaration from President Obama came less than two hours after our Governor sent it to the White House. Obama even made it clear (eventually he ordered the FAA not to clear the airspace) that he wouldn't come if it would, in any way, impede actual firefighting efforts. There's nothing anyone is going to say that could appease your cynicism, but sometimes, like this... you can't possibly grasp the scale of the destruction from our several fires without actually seeing them... Colorado has lost enough acreage to fire already (July isn't even here yet) to cover some of the smaller states. He came, and it was good... but don't kid yourself about any chance of Colorado swinging to Romney now... while our state was burning, he said the lesson from Wisconsin was that we didn't need so many firefighters... these kids are out there battling fires for 12 bucks an hour and no health insurance at all, trying their best to save half-million dollar homes, and the only salute they could get from the national GOP was of the one finger variety. Coloradans may love pot, jesus, and guns... but we're not dumb enough to fall for that farkwit.
 
2012-06-30 08:31:35 AM  
Let's think about this:

Boulder, one of the most leftist cities in the country has a fire start closer than the fire in The Springs but is stopped and no damage is done.

CO Springs, one the most far right and religious cities, loses 350 homes and at least 2 people.

How did the hippies and left-over-Californians of Boulder escape while the Mexicans and God-fearin' people of The Springs not?
 
2012-06-30 08:40:46 AM  

A Day Older than Yesterday: Let's think about this:

Boulder, one of the most leftist cities in the country has a fire start closer than the fire in The Springs but is stopped and no damage is done.

CO Springs, one the most far right and religious cities, loses 350 homes and at least 2 people.

How did the hippies and left-over-Californians of Boulder escape while the Mexicans and God-fearin' people of The Springs not?


An interesting theory that leaves out the fact that (fairly liberal) Fort Collins had more than 270 homes burn in the High Park fire.

Your question is, in principle, flawed though... Mother Nature destroys whatever she damn well pleases, rich, poor, religious, atheist... she pays no mind to our little labels, they all burn equally well.
 
2012-06-30 08:41:33 AM  

A Day Older than Yesterday: Let's think about this:

Boulder, one of the most leftist cities in the country has a fire start closer than the fire in The Springs but is stopped and no damage is done.

CO Springs, one the most far right and religious cities, loses 350 homes and at least 2 people.

How did the hippies and left-over-Californians of Boulder escape while the Mexicans and God-fearin' people of The Springs not?


It's obvious. The heathens in Boulder were given belt buckles that said, "Gott Mit Uns." That Natzi/Soshulist stuff always trumps homo-closeted, pseudo-Christian "prayers".

/Wut?
 
2012-06-30 08:52:10 AM  
sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net

Nero fiddles while Rome burns...
 
2012-06-30 08:57:52 AM  

firefly212: coffee smells good:

Obama hadn't even spoken with CO's governor in over two weeks until a reporter asked him about it on Tuesday. Obama made the trip, not because of concern, but because CO is a swing state.

Using your logic, Obama helpedthe situation by showing up for a photo-op.



Nothing personal, but our governor has been kind of busy anyways... he was making rounds in his own car handing out cases of water to firefighters with no media present... FEMA reviewed and accepted our application for emergency aid in less than 9 hours, and though they did not talk (apparently), the Federal Disaster Declaration from President Obama came less than two hours after our Governor sent it to the White House. Obama even made it clear (eventually he ordered the FAA not to clear the airspace) that he wouldn't come if it would, in any way, impede actual firefighting efforts. There's nothing anyone is going to say that could appease your cynicism, but sometimes, like this... you can't possibly grasp the scale of the destruction from our several fires without actually seeing them... Colorado has lost enough acreage to fire already (July isn't even here yet) to cover some of the smaller states. He came, and it was good... but don't kid yourself about any chance of Colorado swinging to Romney now... while our state was burning, he said the lesson from Wisconsin was that we didn't need so many firefighters... these kids are out there battling fires for 12 bucks an hour and no health insurance at all, trying their best to save h ...



Note to self mark firefly212 as potentially paid BHO apologist. Well written, well articulate response almost immediately on a Saturday morning.

But for anyone who isn't aware, the original poster is correct. At the morning press briefing it was pointed out that Obama had not had contact with Hickenlooper in over two weeks. There was some media clammering that morning until The President's schedule was quickly changed and the trip was announced.
And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.
 
2012-06-30 09:22:36 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x406]

Nero fiddles while Rome burns...


I like how you posted that on the same page as Bush with the guitar during Katrina. It's like you wanted everyone to see your fail in high definition.
 
2012-06-30 09:23:47 AM  

coffee smells good: Obama made the trip, not because of concern, but because CO is a swing state


FTFA: "Already, Mr Obama also has walked tornado-stricken streets in Missouri and Alabama, and met with flood victims in Tennessee, all states that voted against him in the 2008 presidential election".
 
2012-06-30 09:37:50 AM  

patent holder: And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.


[citation needed]
 
2012-06-30 09:43:44 AM  
"he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

Is this Mitt Romney's Bobby Jindal "Volcano monitoring" moment? You know, when they say we don't need something, then shiat blows up, and maybe that thing they just said we don't need is very much needed? Something like a month after Jindal's volcano monitoring statement one blew up in Alaska. Earlier this month, Romney said the above, and now Colorado is being torched.
 
2012-06-30 09:58:39 AM  

Zalan: "he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

Is this Mitt Romney's Bobby Jindal "Volcano monitoring" moment? You know, when they say we don't need something, then shiat blows up, and maybe that thing they just said we don't need is very much needed? Something like a month after Jindal's volcano monitoring statement one blew up in Alaska. Earlier this month, Romney said the above, and now Colorado is being torched.


That's because he's an idiot.
McCain/Palin was a circus and a joke but Romney is embarrassing.
Mitt's the best you got GOP?
 
2012-06-30 10:36:47 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x406]

Nero fiddles while Rome burns...

I like how you posted that on the same page as Bush with the guitar during Katrina. It's like you wanted everyone to see your fail in high definition.


Except Bush isn't in office anymore, your dear sosholist leader is and he's not one damn bit better in a situation like this. Political grandstanding in a swing state while Colo burns. Fartbongo should stick to playing golf. It's all he's good for.
 
2012-06-30 10:44:04 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Except Bush isn't in office anymore, your dear sosholist leader is and he's not one damn bit better in a situation like this. Political grandstanding in a swing state while Colo burns. Fartbongo should stick to playing golf. It's all he's good for.


Uh huh. Guess you didn't like being called out for your inept comparison, eh? Obama is there as the fires are still raging. Bush flew over Katrina.

Are you going to whine at me again about golf? Cause that would be hilarious.
 
2012-06-30 11:03:59 AM  
How can the private sector be doing fine IF IT'S ON FIRE
 
2012-06-30 11:10:18 AM  

firefly212: It's the first time in decades a sitting president has directly ordered the FAA not to clear airspace overhead.


Wait, what? They still put out a TFR for his visit. Unless it was greatly reduced from the standard one...


FAA TO ESTABLISH TFR OVER COLORADO SPRINGS, CO ON FRIDAY, JUNE 29
A NOTAM has been issued that will restrict flight in the area during
President Obama's planned visit.

==> 30 NM RADIUS TFR Location:
On the BUTTS VOR/DME (FCS) 007 degree radial at 7.9 nautical miles
From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL

Times:
11:30 AM local until 4:00 PM local Friday, June 29, 2012

==> AFFECTED PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS
KCOS City of Colorado Springs Muni
KFLY Meadow Lake
A50 Colorado Springs East
5V4 Calhan
1V6 Fremont County
/i>
 
2012-06-30 11:17:36 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: patent holder: And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.

[citation needed]


Why? Don't you know how to use google/bing/yahoo.....?

Typical loser can't make a logical (or funny) remark so the "citation needed" line drips out. IT WASN'T AN IMPORTANT POINT IN HIS/HER POST YOU DOPE!!!!!

Is it apparent that I'm one of those tired of posters not being able to put anything of value in threads but want to see their name on the interwebs? Kinda like having someone talk just to hear their own voice.
 
2012-06-30 11:20:56 AM  

coffee smells good: Typical loser can't make a logical (or funny) remark so the "citation needed" line drips out. IT WASN'T AN IMPORTANT POINT IN HIS/HER POST YOU DOPE!!!!!


Don't post unsourced crap and people won't call you out on it. Seems pretty simple to me.

Misinformation deserves to be shouted down, no matter how small it might be.
 
2012-06-30 11:21:14 AM  

coffee smells good: cameroncrazy1984: patent holder: And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.

[citation needed]

Why? Don't you know how to use google/bing/yahoo.....?


Doesn't matter. It is the responsibility of the person who makes the claim to provide supporting evidence.

But you're a Republican, so you probably wouldn't have known that.
 
2012-06-30 11:21:44 AM  

coffee smells good: cameroncrazy1984: patent holder: And yes, Colorado is a swing state, second to Virginia from what I read, in the advertising dollars Obama is spending.

[citation needed]

Why? Don't you know how to use google/bing/yahoo.....?

Typical loser can't make a logical (or funny) remark so the "citation needed" line drips out. IT WASN'T AN IMPORTANT POINT IN HIS/HER POST YOU DOPE!!!!!

Is it apparent that I'm one of those tired of posters not being able to put anything of value in threads but want to see their name on the interwebs? Kinda like having someone talk just to hear their own voice.



Better cut back on the caffeine Junior, and definitely don't get behind the wheel until you calm down.

BTW you can just ignore the citation needed posters if they bother you that much.
 
2012-06-30 11:32:06 AM  

firefly212: the Goldwater wing of the Republican party died with the inclusion of the Moral Majority people... libertarians are probably the second most underrepresented demographic segment in congress, second only to people with ethics.


FARKING THIS.

Not only did we get completely cut out of our own party, the definition of 'Libertarian' then got co-opted into a different meaning entirely. Now its generally used to self-describe these odd hyper-authoritarian pseudo-fascists with either theocratic or racialist (remember kids, they aren't 'racist' (thats bad), they are 'racialists' (thats good)) foundations, pushing for extreme government intrusion and control into personal and religious decisions in an attempt to enforce a monoculture.
How that became 'Libertarian' is beyond me.
 
2012-06-30 11:32:17 AM  

TsukasaK: coffee smells good: Typical loser can't make a logical (or funny) remark so the "citation needed" line drips out. IT WASN'T AN IMPORTANT POINT IN HIS/HER POST YOU DOPE!!!!!

Don't post unsourced crap and people won't call you out on it. Seems pretty simple to me.

Misinformation deserves to be shouted down, no matter how small it might be.




Doubt if it's "misinformation" as you claim (citation on your part please showing it's incorrect.)

Because you must not be well read, VA & CO are two of the larger states to be considered swing states this cycle and Obama is spending his money faster than Romney. Thus the comment does not seem outrageous so "Shouting him down" seems childish doesn't it?
 
2012-06-30 11:35:35 AM  
The USFS does not need more planes and helicopters to fight fire. It needs more boots on the ground. Instead of increasing their budget to build and operate more support vehicles, they should spend that money on being able to keep more of the hard working firefighters working year round (with health insurance).
 
2012-06-30 11:39:20 AM  

A Day Older than Yesterday: (citation on your part please showing it's incorrect.)


Not my job to prove it's incorrect, it's your job to prove it is. Until that time, it's still "unsourced crap".

img48.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-30 11:44:12 AM  

Phillip Ondiz: The USFS does not need more planes and helicopters to fight fire. It needs more boots on the ground. Instead of increasing their budget to build and operate more support vehicles, they should spend that money on being able to keep more of the hard working firefighters working year round (with health insurance).


As someone that is still evacuated from this fire: exactly THIS

The C-130s, Skycranes and CV-580s were pounding that ridgeline behind my house ALL DAY LONG on Tuesday. The fire still came racing down the hill that afternoon. Dozers and axes should have been used, not aircraft.
 
2012-06-30 11:56:47 AM  

TsukasaK: A Day Older than Yesterday: (citation on your part please showing it's incorrect.)

Not my job to prove it's incorrect, it's your job to prove it is. Until that time, it's still "unsourced crap".

[img48.imageshack.us image 500x75]



I'm informed enough to understand Obama didn't give a crap about the CO wildfires until it was pointed out to his press secretary during the daily briefing that it was a swing state and he (POTUS) hadn't talked with that governor in a couple of weeks. I also saw how the media made a deal out of it that morning until a announcement was made that he would go to CO Friday then the story disappeared.

You can yell citation all you want but it shows you don't have a logical response to the president ignoring then politicizing a disaster.

FYI: Early primary and swing states get a bulk of the ad dollars spent by politicians. That's common knowledge it doesn't need a citation.
 
2012-06-30 12:01:39 PM  

Dinodork: Phillip Ondiz: The USFS does not need more planes and helicopters to fight fire. It needs more boots on the ground. Instead of increasing their budget to build and operate more support vehicles, they should spend that money on being able to keep more of the hard working firefighters working year round (with health insurance).

As someone that is still evacuated from this fire: exactly THIS

The C-130s, Skycranes and CV-580s were pounding that ridgeline behind my house ALL DAY LONG on Tuesday. The fire still came racing down the hill that afternoon. Dozers and axes should have been used, not aircraft.


Moreover, during the early spring and late fall (when wildfire is less active and not stretching FF resources so thin) they should still be getting 40 hrs/wk doing fuels reduction and controlled burns.
 
2012-06-30 12:14:57 PM  

A Day Older than Yesterday: TsukasaK: A Day Older than Yesterday: (citation on your part please showing it's incorrect.)

Not my job to prove it's incorrect, it's your job to prove it is. Until that time, it's still "unsourced crap".

[img48.imageshack.us image 500x75]


I'm informed enough to understand Obama didn't give a crap about the CO wildfires until it was pointed out to his press secretary during the daily briefing that it was a swing state and he (POTUS) hadn't talked with that governor in a couple of weeks. I also saw how the media made a deal out of it that morning until a announcement was made that he would go to CO Friday then the story disappeared.

You can yell citation all you want but it shows you don't have a logical response to the president ignoring then politicizing a disaster.

FYI: Early primary and swing states get a bulk of the ad dollars spent by politicians. That's common knowledge it doesn't need a citation.


Yes. In the middle of a national campaign, the President was totally unaware that CO was a swing state. [citation needed]
 
2012-06-30 12:15:13 PM  
Coelacanth 2012-06-30 03:26:44 AM


I ended up at the bowling alley. There were only two other people there: The manager and a female cashier. They had waited too long too. I wasn't much for bowling, but they did have a great arcade. I got a couple of rolls of quarters and started playing, Just as I finished off the last roll of quarters, a firefighter bust in through bowling alley's doors.

He was missing his headgear, along with half the hair on top of his head and and an eyebrow. You could barely tell what color his firefighting outfit was. And I swear to God that his ax was smoking. He then looks around, sees the female cashier, and walks up to her with a swagger that would make John Wayne envious.

"Fire's contained," he says to the girl, "Let's go get married."

And out of the bowling alley they ran.


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/smokin
 
2012-06-30 12:15:42 PM  

firefly212: Be that as it may, the fire started and exploded in size on federal park lands... by the time it reached the springs, it wouldn't matter if they had a thousand firefighters or a hundred thousand... sometimes nature just wont take no for an answer.


It isn't just that anymore. During the last big fire where I used to live, every damned pyromaniac in the state showed up to help the thing along. There was a retarded man who was trying to hitchhike up the side of the mountain with a five gallon can of gas and a backpack full of road flares. There was another creep who was throwing flares from his motorcycle who wouldn't surrender and had to be shot dead. And then there's this piece of shiat who started the whole thing Link
 
2012-06-30 12:24:10 PM  
Why do we insist that Presidents, and I don't care about party affiliation, must tour disaster areas to show they care?

It only slows down the efforts of those involved i the real work. Resources have to be diverted to deal with the President and his entourage. Personnel have to made available to give briefings, appear withe President for photo ops etc.

We have layers of overpaid government bureaucrats who are supposed to be handling stuff like this without the need for the President to be on site. But unfortunately if he does not go he is portrayed as uncaring instead of staying out of the way.
 
2012-06-30 12:43:21 PM  
(tag is for the first responders)

Thanks for letting us know you don't consider Obama's touring heroic, conservitardmitter. What could've possibly made his touring more heroic? Saving the Spotted Dun Feathered Rocky Mountain Oyster Hawk whil he was there?
 
2012-06-30 12:43:36 PM  

hasty ambush: Why do we insist that Presidents, and I don't care about party affiliation, must tour disaster areas to show they care?


Farked if I know. But as A Day Dumber Than Yesterday up there suggests, the president DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP IF HE ISN'T THERE PERSONALLY.

/I hate politics.
 
2012-06-30 12:57:55 PM  
Geez.....couldn't keep Obama out of Texas in 2011 when 2800+ homes burned. It took him 70 days to partially approve the governors request for state of disaster. I do not wish anything but rain and prayers for the fine people of Colorado, but don't patronize anyone about Obama doing his visit as anything more than a photo op.
 
2012-06-30 12:58:01 PM  

thisispete: Shouldn't there be regular controlled burn offs to prevent this sort of thing happening and promote new growth? Or is there too much forest, scrubland and unpredictable weather patterns to keep any burn off contained and under control?


The standing orders regarding wildfires for the longest time was to put them all out as quickly as possible. That combined with people building homes deep in forests and in the middle of nowhere who whine about controlled burns and small fires get ash in their swimming pools allowed dead trees and brush to build up instead of being cleared in small, quick, relatively cool fires. After years of buildup, there's tons of tinder-dry fuel waiting for that spark, and when it happens it explodes into a firestorm that's impossible to stop or contain.

Yellowstone, 1988. The textbook example of why preventing annual burns leads to disaster.
 
2012-06-30 01:21:27 PM  

Coelacanth: Back in 1980, I was living in the mountaintop tourist community of Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino in Southern California. In November of 1980, a couple of days before Thanksgiving, one of the worst wildfires in California broke out. It was called the Panorama fire, and 286 houses and four lives were lost.

My family and I tried to leave the mountain as quickly as possible. But my mother flatly refused. She wanted to stand her ground. While my stepfather, stepsister and I loaded up the pickup trucks, she sat and watched TV and drank herself nearly blind. Some sheriff deputies finally showed up and told us to bug out. Trying to drive down the Rim highway was an ordeal. It felt like it took a million years and we didn't get that far. There was smoke and ash and embers fling everywhere. The fire was trying to jump the highway and into the community where it would've been impossible to stop.

The only thing holding back the fire was a line of firefighters. There were a few places where the highway narrowed, and you could look over the side, and down below there were the firefighters who looked like a gang of Archangel Micheal's mates holding the line against the forces of Hell.

We finally got to Crestline, and we were told that we couldn't go any farther and we couldn't go back. If the firefighters couldn't hold the line, we were pretty much boned. My mom owned a little soup and sandwich in Crestline, so we had a place to be. The rest of the town was pretty much abandoned. So I decided to walk down main street and see what else was going on.

I ended up at the bowling alley. There were only two other people there: The manager and a female cashier. They had waited too long too. I wasn't much for bowling, but they did have a great arcade. I got a couple of rolls of quarters and started playing, Just as I finished off the last roll of quarters, a firefighter bust in through bowling alley's doors.

He was missing his headgear, along with half the hair on top of his he ...


my brother was one of those firefighters. They were pullng people from desk jobs, outfitting them and sending them to help. He said it was like being in the aftermath of a nuclear explosion. Plus, many of those were seasonal firefighters, with near minimum wage, and no benefits.
 
2012-06-30 01:40:51 PM  
Yesterday on FOX: "Obama Hasn't Spoken to Colorado Gov for 15 Days Despite Raging Wildfires"

/Damned if you do....
 
2012-06-30 01:42:20 PM  

Coelacanth: I ended up at the bowling alley. There were only two other people there: The manager and a female cashier. They had waited too long too. I wasn't much for bowling, but they did have a great arcade. I got a couple of rolls of quarters and started playing, Just as I finished off the last roll of quarters, a firefighter bust in through bowling alley's doors.

He was missing his headgear, along with half the hair on top of his head and and an eyebrow. You could barely tell what color his firefighting outfit was. And I swear to God that his ax was smoking. He then looks around, sees the female cashier, and walks up to her with a swagger that would make John Wayne envious.

"Fire's contained," he says to the girl, "Let's go get married."

And out of the bowling alley they ran.



I don't even care if it's true. This was actually a really cool story, bro.
 
2012-06-30 02:05:14 PM  
There's no winning with you people. If he didn't go to Colorado, you would have been screaming "ZOMG FARTBONGO DOESN'T CARE!!!"

Is he the best president we've ever had? No. But he isn't the worst, either. Neither, was Bush, but that's a different matter.
 
2012-06-30 02:28:30 PM  
Is it just me, or does the sidewalk look really out of place for some neighborhood that just burned?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-06-30 02:39:10 PM  

hasty ambush: Why do we insist that Presidents, and I don't care about party affiliation, must tour disaster areas to show they care?

It only slows down the efforts of those involved i the real work. Resources have to be diverted to deal with the President and his entourage. Personnel have to made available to give briefings, appear withe President for photo ops etc.

We have layers of overpaid government bureaucrats who are supposed to be handling stuff like this without the need for the President to be on site. But unfortunately if he does not go he is portrayed as uncaring instead of staying out of the way.


Called it!
 
2012-06-30 02:40:53 PM  

the_immoral_minority: Geez.....couldn't keep Obama out of Texas in 2011 when 2800+ homes burned. It took him 70 days to partially approve the governors request for state of disaster. I do not wish anything but rain and prayers for the fine people of Colorado, but don't patronize anyone about Obama doing his visit as anything more than a photo op.


Called it!
 
2012-06-30 02:44:31 PM  

Parmenius: Is it just me, or does the sidewalk look really out of place for some neighborhood that just burned?

i.dailymail.co.uk



The faux sidewalk is there to keep the president's shoes clean.
 
2012-06-30 02:46:40 PM  

the_immoral_minority: Geez.....couldn't keep Obama out of Texas in 2011 when 2800+ homes burned. It took him 70 days to partially approve the governors request for state of disaster. I do not wish anything but rain and prayers for the fine people of Colorado, but don't patronize anyone about Obama doing his visit as anything more than a photo op.


You gotta love when Conservatives whine that the government isn't doing enough because it's their sh*t that's on fire.
 
2012-06-30 02:47:20 PM  

phlegmmo: Parmenius: Is it just me, or does the sidewalk look really out of place for some neighborhood that just burned?

i.dailymail.co.uk


The faux sidewalk is there to keep the president's shoes clean.


And pray on. Five times.
 
2012-06-30 03:02:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: phlegmmo: Parmenius: Is it just me, or does the sidewalk look really out of place for some neighborhood that just burned?

i.dailymail.co.uk


The faux sidewalk is there to keep the president's shoes clean.

And pray on. Five times.



Allah president's men.
 
2012-06-30 04:53:43 PM  

edmo: Yesterday on FOX: "Obama Hasn't Spoken to Colorado Gov for 15 Days Despite Raging Wildfires"


What's your point, anyways?

There are 58 active wildfires in the US. Is he supposed to call for all of them? Or the 100's that happen in previous years?

CO evacuations began on Wednesday. He got out there by Friday. That's pretty damn fast with all the other shiat going on right now.
 
2012-06-30 06:17:37 PM  

cochlear: my brother was one of those firefighters. They were pulling people from desk jobs, outfitting them and sending them to help. He said it was like being in the aftermath of a nuclear explosion. Plus, many of those were seasonal firefighters, with near minimum wage, and no benefits.


Please tell your brother that the residents of Lake Arrowhead and the surrounding communities truly believe that he and the others was sent by God to help us. And thank you, very much.
 
2012-07-01 12:25:33 AM  
BuckoFama
 
2012-07-01 12:37:48 AM  

wippit: edmo: Yesterday on FOX: "Obama Hasn't Spoken to Colorado Gov for 15 Days Despite Raging Wildfires"


What's your point, anyways?

There are 58 active wildfires in the US. Is he supposed to call for all of them? Or the 100's that happen in previous years?

CO evacuations began on Wednesday. He got out there by Friday. That's pretty damn fast with all the other shiat going on right now.


Saturday. We got chased down the mountain by the proverbial WALL OF FIRE AND DEATH on Tuesday. Kinda wish I could go home soon.
 
2012-07-01 08:21:48 AM  
This thread should be nominated for the Trolling Hall of Fame.
 
2012-07-01 04:34:30 PM  

Kittypie070: Coelacanth 2012-06-30 03:26:44 AM


I ended up at the bowling alley. There were only two other people there: The manager and a female cashier. They had waited too long too. I wasn't much for bowling, but they did have a great arcade. I got a couple of rolls of quarters and started playing, Just as I finished off the last roll of quarters, a firefighter bust in through bowling alley's doors.

He was missing his headgear, along with half the hair on top of his head and and an eyebrow. You could barely tell what color his firefighting outfit was. And I swear to God that his ax was smoking. He then looks around, sees the female cashier, and walks up to her with a swagger that would make John Wayne envious.

"Fire's contained," he says to the girl, "Let's go get married."

And out of the bowling alley they ran.

[media.blurt-online.com image 399x423]
/smokin


Good lord, let's make a music video out of this!
 
2012-07-01 09:17:12 PM  

TsukasaK: firefly212: It's the first time in decades a sitting president has directly ordered the FAA not to clear airspace overhead.

Wait, what? They still put out a TFR for his visit. Unless it was greatly reduced from the standard one...


FAA TO ESTABLISH TFR OVER COLORADO SPRINGS, CO ON FRIDAY, JUNE 29
A NOTAM has been issued that will restrict flight in the area during
President Obama's planned visit.

==> 30 NM RADIUS TFR Location:
On the BUTTS VOR/DME (FCS) 007 degree radial at 7.9 nautical miles
From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL

Times:
11:30 AM local until 4:00 PM local Friday, June 29, 2012

==> AFFECTED PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS
KCOS City of Colorado Springs Muni
KFLY Meadow Lake
A50 Colorado Springs East
5V4 Calhan
1V6 Fremont County
/i>


There were firefighting airplanes still flying over the whole time he was there, even during his press conference... I'm not sure if the aerial firefighting operations got a free pass on the NOTAM or what, but they definitely were flying overhead. Sorry for the late reply , I was up in Empire for a little bit.
 
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