Gunther: StoneColdAtheist: I have thought about this a fair bit while trying to wrap my head around how to write from a different character's pov.

Have you listened to the Writing Excuses podcast? It's four published authors all giving advice to wanna-be writers about those kinds of issues. They've done a couple episodes on that very topic.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: What you need to do, then, is do direct research. Find out where subjects like those you'd like to depict hang out, and go there yourself to discreetly observe them and take notes. Great writers used to do this all the time. If you wanted to be able to realistically depict regulars at a certain kind of bar, for example, you'd go to a place like and quietly take notes, until you felt you had it down. It's not realistic to pre ...

Wow...thanks to both of you! I figured nobody was reading this thread anymore and certainly didn't expect two helpful answers. Thanks again!

StoneColdAtheist: I have thought about this a fair bit while trying to wrap my head around how to write from a different character's pov. For instance, I'm a 60-ish y/o white male. In imagining myself trying to write dialog for, say, a 16 y/o female character in a short story, I keep stumbling over creating lelievable dialog. I keep thinking she'll end up sounding like a male.

Think of a man and then remove reason and accountability.

/had to be said

I found Neuromancer difficult to get into, but once I did, it was an enjoyable story and the mental pictures it created long-lasting. I think the difficulty stemmed from how terse and trippy things are worded. Everything is so vivid yet unclear, as if one stood naked before a thousand flashing neon signs. When I picture a movie adaptation of Neuromancer, I hope for something that has the same feel as Blade Runner with Harrison Ford.

Even a three hour movie isn't going to adequately capture Ender's Game. As a series, like the HBO adaptation for A Game of Thrones, it might work.

Snow Crash is massively overhyped and will probably wind up as a poorly done spin of Caprica+New Cap City. I'd rather see them do an adaptation of The Diamond Age.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: What you need to do, then, is do direct research. Find out where subjects like those you'd like to depict hang out, and go there yourself to discreetly observe them and take notes.

And then get arrested for being a creepy old man stalking 16-year-old girls!

Officer: Mr. StoneColdAtheist, why do you have this memo pad full of notes about these girls eating habits and weekend plans?
Mr. StoneColdAtheist: I'm a writer trying to get inside the mind of 16-year-old girls.
Officer: Right. Right. *takes some notes.* So, Mr. StoneColdAtheist, I have you on record as wanting to get inside a 16-year-old girl. Is there anything else you wish to add?

Feepit: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: What you need to do, then, is do direct research. Find out where subjects like those you'd like to depict hang out, and go there yourself to discreetly observe them and take notes.

And then get arrested for being a creepy old man stalking 16-year-old girls!

Officer: Mr. StoneColdAtheist, why do you have this memo pad full of notes about these girls eating habits and weekend plans?
Mr. StoneColdAtheist: I'm a writer trying to get inside the mind of 16-year-old girls.
Officer: Right. Right. *takes some notes.* So, Mr. StoneColdAtheist, I have you on record as wanting to get inside a 16-year-old girl. Is there anything else you wish to add?

WIN!!!

I LOL'd... :^)

I meant to add that I laughed because that's pretty much exactly the scenario playing out in the event I actually tried to hang out with 16 y/o girls. I recall an incident from within the past few years where a Sacramento man who moonlights as a videographer (who then sells the footage to TV news channels) was arrested while filming girls at a (IIRC) cheerleading competition. I don't remember if he was ultimately charged, but the chilling effect of arresting him and making a big, public deal out of it would be enough to give me pause before trying anything even remotely like that.

Methinks I'll stick to male characters...

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: bhcompy: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: ...

So you get all high-horsey and snooty about Ender's Game then suck on Scott Pilgrim's dick? What a moron

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Not hating Scott Pilgrim is for some reason the biggest accidental trollbait of this season. No idea why. It's just a (very) silly movie. But why am I supposed to lie about it, or not talk about it, just to keep whiny biatches like you happy?

Because morons have decided that Scott Pilgrim is "hipster" for some reason.

HeartBurnKid: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: bhcompy: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: ...

So you get all high-horsey and snooty about Ender's Game then suck on Scott Pilgrim's dick? What a moron

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Not hating Scott Pilgrim is for some reason the biggest accidental trollbait of this season. No idea why. It's just a (very) silly movie. But why am I supposed to lie about it, or not talk about it, just to keep whiny biatches like you happy?

Because morons have decided that Scott Pilgrim is "hipster" for some reason.

As hipster as hating Ender's Game because you disagree with the author's personal beliefs

HeartBurnKid: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: bhcompy: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: ...

So you get all high-horsey and snooty about Ender's Game then suck on Scott Pilgrim's dick? What a moron

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Not hating Scott Pilgrim is for some reason the biggest accidental trollbait of this season. No idea why. It's just a (very) silly movie. But why am I supposed to lie about it, or not talk about it, just to keep whiny biatches like you happy?

Because morons have decided that Scott Pilgrim is "hipster" for some reason.

And why should I give a shiat about what other people think about what people other than me may think? I'm some kind of jerk because I happen to sincerely like something that some jerkwads like ironically? I'm not allowed to like anything that anyone you don't like might like? What is this, grade school? Jesus, people, get over yourselves. It's okay to like something that other people don't, and it's okay to dislike something that other people do, but it's kind of douchy to tell people that they're bad and wrong because of it. Can we just TRY be grown-ups here?