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2012-06-30 01:12:25 AM
ender's game? nov 2013?
sigh
too bad they are basing it on the novel and not the original short story

still
like there is any chance that I wont see it
LOL
 
2012-06-30 01:40:28 AM
Snowcrash and Neuromancer? Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it.
 
2012-06-30 01:48:49 AM

Mentat: Snowcrash and Neuromancer? Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it.


shudder
I loved snowcrash (neuormancer was ok to good, but I reread snowcrash)

but a MOVIE????? ahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
2012-06-30 02:32:46 AM
Please don't screw up Neuromancer.
 
2012-06-30 02:57:56 AM

PacManDreaming: Please don't screw up Neuromancer.


is there ANY chance that they WONT screw it up? seriously
hollywood and scifi ??
they will have to add monsters jumping out of peoples' heads or no one will watch it

/sigh
 
2012-06-30 03:19:21 AM

Mentat: Snowcrash and Neuromancer? Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it.


These are two of my favorite books ever. I'm torn between being excited at the idea of seeing movies based on them and setting myself up to being really pissed off when (as normally happens from book to film) they fark it up.
 
2012-06-30 03:57:20 AM
I'm oddly hopeful for The Host, purely because it's Andrew Nicol.

Tomo does sound interesting; anyone know where to see the short?
 
2012-06-30 04:15:11 AM
Snow Crash
What it's about: Joe Cornish (Attack the Block) will adapt Neal Stephenson's novel set in a corporate-dominated near future, in which Hiro Protagonist investigates a potent new drug that infects users with a computer virus.
Status: Cornish's signing was just announced, so it's way too early to tell yet.
Prognosis: After Attack the Block, we're excited to see Cornish do something more ambitious.


I have no faith in Hollywood to do justice to Neal Stephenson. I'm not even sure how you translate his style to the screen.
 
2012-06-30 04:21:01 AM

Virtuoso80: Snow Crash
What it's about: Joe Cornish (Attack the Block) will adapt Neal Stephenson's novel set in a corporate-dominated near future, in which Hiro Protagonist investigates a potent new drug that infects users with a computer virus.
Status: Cornish's signing was just announced, so it's way too early to tell yet.
Prognosis: After Attack the Block, we're excited to see Cornish do something more ambitious.

I have no faith in Hollywood to do justice to Neal Stephenson. I'm not even sure how you translate his style to the screen.


Worst ending to a good book I've ever read. Hopefully the movie improves that part of the book.
 
2012-06-30 04:29:47 AM

namatad: Mentat: Snowcrash and Neuromancer? Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it.

shudder
I loved snowcrash (neuormancer was ok to good, but I reread snowcrash)

but a MOVIE????? ahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
shudder
I loved snowcrash (neuormancer was ok to good, but I reread snowcrash)

but a MOVIE????? ahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha/i>



fwiw, I submitted this a few weeks back:

Something called a Joe Cornish set to direct the ruination of Snow Crash add vampires to it star Angelina Jolie as YT set it in Miami fark over my childhood
 
2012-06-30 04:32:40 AM
I think what the writer means is, movies that are in talks and nowhere near pre-production or greenlight phase.
 
2012-06-30 05:33:46 AM

carnifex2005: Worst ending to a good book I've ever read. Hopefully the movie improves that part of the book.


I think Stephenson does that on purpose. I've never read an ending of his that didn't almost ruin the book.

As for film adaptations of Snowcrash or Neuromancer, I'd be more afraid than hopeful. Hollywood has a lousy track record with that sort of subject matter.
 
2012-06-30 05:48:48 AM

RoyBatty: Something called a Joe Cornish set to direct the ruination of Snow Crash add vampires to it star Angelina Jolie as YT set it in Miami fark over my childhood


Don Johnson's Lesser Miami Beach
 
2012-06-30 05:49:12 AM
World War Z. So much wasted potential.
 
2012-06-30 05:54:19 AM

Virtuoso80: I have no faith in Hollywood to do justice to Neal Stephenson


Attack the Block was excellent, one of the best sci-fi action movies in recent years.
 
2012-06-30 06:40:02 AM

Gunther: Virtuoso80: I have no faith in Hollywood to do justice to Neal Stephenson

Attack the Block was excellent, one of the best sci-fi action movies in recent years.


Isn't that a british movie? I haven't seen it yet, but it's on my "to watch list."

As for Hollywood, I don't expect them to get anything right but the visuals. Low expectations = occasional pleasant surprise.
 
2012-06-30 06:54:00 AM
The problem with Neuormancer is that everyone will think it's a ripoff of The Matrix and every other cyberpunk movie or TV show that's been around since the '90s.
 
2012-06-30 07:11:35 AM
I expect nothing from any of these, in order to stave off disappointment.

But, yeah I'm hopeful for a lot of these.
 
2012-06-30 07:13:34 AM

Raw_fishFood: World War Z. So much wasted potential.


Potential for a movie? I don't know about that...would have worked as a great mini-series or limited run show. Trying to get all the stories into a 2 or even 3 hour movie means much will be left out.
 
2012-06-30 07:39:07 AM

Mugato: The problem with Neuormancer is that everyone will think it's a ripoff of The Matrix and every other cyberpunk movie or TV show that's been around since the '90s.


That's the fun part. Those of us that read these books when they came out will know better. Then we will be able to snicker at and deride the little kids desperately trying to sound grown up.

Get off my lawn...
 
2012-06-30 07:48:02 AM
Snow Crash would only work if directed by Mamoru Oshii or some other anime big wig.

Yes, I'd rather see that movie done by the Japanese. Any attempts to do it live-action will suck hard.
 
2012-06-30 07:57:39 AM

Mugato: The problem with Neuormancer is that everyone will think it's a ripoff of The Matrix and every other cyberpunk movie or TV show that's been around since the '90s.


this was my thought about Neuromancer as well, especially since the odds of a Neuromancer movie being good is rather slim.
 
2012-06-30 08:02:07 AM
I think that they should consider releasing battleship yamamoto in US theaters; the live action one.
 
2012-06-30 08:24:09 AM

Uncle Tractor: Gunther: Virtuoso80: I have no faith in Hollywood to do justice to Neal Stephenson

Attack the Block was excellent, one of the best sci-fi action movies in recent years.

Isn't that a british movie? I haven't seen it yet, but it's on my "to watch list."


saw the trailer, thought it sounded at least interesting. Watched it on love film and turned it off for shiat after about 20 minutes.

If the terrible inner city London accents (not the actors, I hate the accent) don't have you running, the little shiats of the characters just might. I think it was supposed to be funny.

Watch In Bruges or Four Lions instead
 
2012-06-30 08:32:14 AM

thisone: If the terrible inner city London accents (not the actors, I hate the accent) don't have you running, the little shiats of the characters just might.


If you'd watched more of the movie instead of turning it off 20 minutes in like some ADD-riddled teenager, you'd have understood you aren't supposed to sympathize with the characters at first. They undergo actual character development over the course of the film.
 
2012-06-30 08:35:49 AM

PacManDreaming: Please don't screw up Neuromancer.


two words....

Johnny Mnemonic
 
2012-06-30 08:38:45 AM

thisone: Watch In Bruges


Well worth everyone's time.
 
2012-06-30 08:49:30 AM

scanman61: PacManDreaming: Please don't screw up Neuromancer.

two words....

Johnny Mnemonic


I kinda want Dinah Meyer to reprise her role... Dunno. She always brings energy and momentum to a movie. I suppose at her late forties, she's probably not so up for it.
 
2012-06-30 09:06:01 AM
Ready Player One was great book for any fan of the 80s. A proper movie? I'm not holding my breath. Just the copyrights to the necessary references are going to be expensive.
 
2012-06-30 09:40:11 AM
Wow. I'm really oddly hopeful for the state of movies in the next two years.
 
2012-06-30 09:49:50 AM
I got nothin', but I like sci-fi movies, so I'll just leave this bookmark.

icons.iconseeker.com
 
2012-06-30 09:54:36 AM
Knights of Badassdom looks amazing. Can't wait for that.
 
2012-06-30 10:03:16 AM

Supes: Knights of Badassdom looks amazing. Can't wait for that.


It does and it doesn't. I have a feeling that it's going to play out its premise pretty quick and then just drag out forever. That's usually how movies like that go. I'm hoping to be wrong, though!
 
2012-06-30 10:05:06 AM

Foolkiller: Ready Player One was great book for any fan of the 80s. A proper movie? I'm not holding my breath. Just the copyrights to the necessary references are going to be expensive.


Agreed to this. But the fact that they're trying to make this along with the Snow Crash, Neuromancer, and Ender's Game gives me hope that at least one will turn out to be awesome.

Of course, one will probably be Will-Smith-in-Converse awful too.
 
2012-06-30 10:11:00 AM
Prognosis: Ang Lee has almost never let us down before.

www.thefilmjournal.com

"You won't like me when I'm Ang Lee"
 
2012-06-30 10:15:16 AM
I saw The Seventh Son on the list and was hoping it was based on Orson Scott Card's series.

/disappointed
 
2012-06-30 10:27:33 AM
And most of them are adaptations. Figures.
 
2012-06-30 10:27:44 AM

scottydoesntknow: Prognosis: Ang Lee has almost never let us down before.

[www.thefilmjournal.com image 360x290]

"You won't like me when I'm Ang Lee"


Y'know the criticism that that film gets frustrates me. It's not a bad movie. It's a bad superhero movie, sure, and that's what everyone went in expecting.... hence the mixed/negative reception. But taken out of the comics-context, the movie itself is pretty good.

Problem is you can't really separate Hulk from his comics-based origin.
 
2012-06-30 10:31:00 AM

Supes: Y'know the criticism that that film gets frustrates me. It's not a bad movie. It's a bad superhero movie, sure, and that's what everyone went in expecting.... hence the mixed/negative reception. But taken out of the comics-context, the movie itself is pretty good.


Dude, he literally drew comic book panels on the screen.
 
2012-06-30 10:31:52 AM

Supes: taken out of the comics-context, the movie itself is pretty good.


No, it's still pretty bad.

The acting's great (it always surprised me that Eric Bana never hit the big leagues, he gives solid performances in everything), the script is passable, the direction is good, but the pacing is downright awful. And bad pacing kills more potentially good films than nearly anything else.
 
2012-06-30 10:33:43 AM
Was I the only geek that thought Neuromancer sucked?

Apparently Hyperion is in the works, but I'd much rather HBO pick it up and do Hyperion/Fall as a 15-20 episode mini series. Please HBO? You're all about fantasy now, now give us some geek some scifi too!
 
2012-06-30 10:45:08 AM

TyrantII: Was I the only geek that thought Neuromancer sucked?

Apparently Hyperion is in the works, but I'd much rather HBO pick it up and do Hyperion/Fall as a 15-20 episode mini series. Please HBO? You're all about fantasy now, now give us some geek some scifi too!


There is still talk about a Takeshi Kovacs movie, and I think Richard K. Morgan's stuff would make for a great movie. Steven Barnes is looking at a few of his to be worked in as well.
 
2012-06-30 10:45:43 AM

TyrantII: Was I the only geek that thought Neuromancer sucked?


Neuromancer is more famous for what it represents than what it is. I honestly have to say that Gibson's more recent stuff, like Spook Country is far better than his early work.
 
2012-06-30 10:56:03 AM

TyrantII: Was I the only geek that thought Neuromancer sucked?

Nope. Got really bored with it the first time I tried to read it, don't even remember if I made it all the way through. Keep thinking I might give it another chance but never seem to get around to it.

 
2012-06-30 11:04:40 AM
t3knomanser: TyrantII: Was I the only geek that thought Neuromancer sucked?

Neuromancer is more famous for what it represents than what it is. I honestly have to say that Gibson's more recent stuff, like Spook Country is far better than his early work.


That's actually an excellent way of putting it. The world was interesting, but the characters, from what I remember, felt childish. I remember there was a sex scene or something and it read like some nerds fan fic idea of what good slutty punk sex might be. I was actually embarrassing to read.

Then again Hyperion wasn't much better with that either.


/Authors, stick to what you know
 
2012-06-30 11:04:54 AM
So the host will be the twighlight version of "The Puppet Masters"? or is it ms myers version of the body snatchers?
 
2012-06-30 11:20:08 AM

scottydoesntknow: Prognosis: Ang Lee has almost never let us down before.

[www.thefilmjournal.com image 360x290]

"You won't like me when I'm Ang Lee"


Except for the part where that was one of the better superhero movies from almost any standpoint.
 
2012-06-30 11:45:11 AM
Although RIPD came from a comic book, it is basically a remake of Dead Heat.
 
2012-06-30 11:55:42 AM

mat catastrophe: scottydoesntknow: Prognosis: Ang Lee has almost never let us down before.

[www.thefilmjournal.com image 360x290]

"You won't like me when I'm Ang Lee"

Except for the part where that was one of the better superhero movies from almost any standpoint.


Well sure, if the only other super heroes movies ever made were Green Lantern and Punisher: War Zone.
 
2012-06-30 12:12:33 PM
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Okay, I think it's long past time that the big animation studios clean house and find new creative minds who can imagine character designs nothing like we've ever seen before. I'm tired of this rubber-stamp stuff. I grew up watching the old Animation Festivals in the '70s-'80s, so maybe seeing dozens of wildly different artistic visions on display spoiled me for life.

Maybe when you're a big studio and US$hundreds of millions are at stake you can't afford to take risks. Sad, really.

Also -- Untitled Henry Sellick project -- The Graveyard Book, maybe?? I haven't been paying as much attention to Gaiman's doings as I used to. Lemme know, somebody.
 
2012-06-30 12:18:38 PM
Looking forward to seeing Will Smith as Hero Protagonist??
 
2012-06-30 12:23:53 PM

t3knomanser: TyrantII: Was I the only geek that thought Neuromancer sucked?

Neuromancer is more famous for what it represents than what it is. I honestly have to say that Gibson's more recent stuff, like Spook Country is far better than his early work.


I head the opposite direction here: I like his pre-Pattern Recognition stuff better than his newer works. Regardless, there is no way to make a Neuromancer film without completely farking it up. Maybe an HBO mini series would be a more suitable vehicle.
 
2012-06-30 12:30:28 PM

scottydoesntknow: mat catastrophe: scottydoesntknow: Prognosis: Ang Lee has almost never let us down before.

[www.thefilmjournal.com image 360x290]

"You won't like me when I'm Ang Lee"

Except for the part where that was one of the better superhero movies from almost any standpoint.

Well sure, if the only other super heroes movies ever made were Green Lantern and Punisher: War Zone.


It's funny how comic nerds for years cried about how "comics are literature, too!" and then when a movie comes out that actually feels like a movie instead of just a two-hour long cartoon, they complain because there wasn't enough stuff blowing up or whatever.
 
2012-06-30 12:33:21 PM

TyrantII: Was I the only geek that thought Neuromancer sucked?

Apparently Hyperion is in the works, but I'd much rather HBO pick it up and do Hyperion/Fall as a 15-20 episode mini series. Please HBO? You're all about fantasy now, now give us some geek some scifi too!


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HBO-Hyperion would be so awesome.

/I liked neuromancer. but all the fanboys have ruined it for me.
/true names was earlier and snow crash is much better, so why waste time on neuromancer?
 
2012-06-30 12:35:14 PM

hubiestubert: TyrantII: Was I the only geek that thought Neuromancer sucked?

Apparently Hyperion is in the works, but I'd much rather HBO pick it up and do Hyperion/Fall as a 15-20 episode mini series. Please HBO? You're all about fantasy now, now give us some geek some scifi too!

There is still talk about a Takeshi Kovacs movie, and I think Richard K. Morgan's stuff would make for a great movie. Steven Barnes is looking at a few of his to be worked in as well.


Nice to hear this. Morgan has great stuff that would translate pretty well to film, assuming it gets the right treatment. I also think Neal Asher would have some decently translatable work, especially anything involving Mr. Crane.
 
2012-06-30 12:40:08 PM

mat catastrophe: It's funny how comic nerds for years cried about how "comics are literature, too!" and then when a movie comes out that actually feels like a movie instead of just a two-hour long cartoon, they complain because there wasn't enough stuff blowing up or whatever.


Has anyone actually complained about that, or are you full of shiat?

People tend to dislike the first Hulk movie for a number of reasons (pacing, plot holes, the idiotic story focus on the relationship between Banner and his father, the weird comic book panel thing), I haven't heard any complaints about the level of action. Been a while since I saw it, but isn't the last 40 minutes basically just a series of fight scenes - Hulk vs the dogs, Hulk vs the military, Hulk vs Nick Nolte?
 
2012-06-30 12:47:32 PM

Gunther: mat catastrophe: It's funny how comic nerds for years cried about how "comics are literature, too!" and then when a movie comes out that actually feels like a movie instead of just a two-hour long cartoon, they complain because there wasn't enough stuff blowing up or whatever.

Has anyone actually complained about that, or are you full of shiat?

People tend to dislike the first Hulk movie for a number of reasons (pacing, plot holes, the idiotic story focus on the relationship between Banner and his father, the weird comic book panel thing), I haven't heard any complaints about the level of action. Been a while since I saw it, but isn't the last 40 minutes basically just a series of fight scenes - Hulk vs the dogs, Hulk vs the military, Hulk vs Nick Nolte?


And it just looked like shiat. My plastic army-men tanks looked more realistic than what Hulk was tearing apart.
 
2012-06-30 01:05:04 PM

Gunther: Supes: taken out of the comics-context, the movie itself is pretty good.

No, it's still pretty bad.

The acting's great (it always surprised me that Eric Bana never hit the big leagues, he gives solid performances in everything), the script is passable, the direction is good, but the pacing is downright awful. And bad pacing kills more potentially good films than nearly anything else.


That movie creaked and wheezed so hard I thought Hulk was gonna have a stroke
 
2012-06-30 01:08:39 PM

mat catastrophe: scottydoesntknow: mat catastrophe: scottydoesntknow: Prognosis: Ang Lee has almost never let us down before.

[www.thefilmjournal.com image 360x290]

"You won't like me when I'm Ang Lee"

Except for the part where that was one of the better superhero movies from almost any standpoint.

Well sure, if the only other super heroes movies ever made were Green Lantern and Punisher: War Zone.

It's funny how comic nerds for years cried about how "comics are literature, too!" and then when a movie comes out that actually feels like a movie instead of just a two-hour long cartoon, they complain because there wasn't enough stuff blowing up or whatever.


Hulk wouldn't necessarily be your go-to guy for deep thinking movies. Granted, duality of man, unleashing the beast, monster vs. society, and such tropes can be explored. But the whole "dad engineered him to be a monster" backstory added in was an unnecessary complication.

I never saw the movie that the trailer promised me. I was suckered by the voice over "... and you know the worst part? I'm afraid I LIKE IT" *cue wall blowing off house*
 
2012-06-30 01:34:31 PM

namatad: /true names was earlier and snow crash is much better, so why waste time on neuromancer?


For Molly? So maybe the black haired girl in in black vinyl and sunglasses who kicks everybody's ass may have been done but there's always room for one more. Just so it's not Kristen Stewart.
 
2012-06-30 01:36:43 PM

Mugato: namatad: /true names was earlier and snow crash is much better, so why waste time on neuromancer?


https://www.google.com/search?q=hollywood+out+of+ideas
 
2012-06-30 01:42:57 PM

mat catastrophe: scottydoesntknow: Prognosis: Ang Lee has almost never let us down before.

[www.thefilmjournal.com image 360x290]

"You won't like me when I'm Ang Lee"

Except for the part where that was one of the better superhero movies from almost any standpoint.


What movie were you watching?
 
2012-06-30 01:50:37 PM
That is a good article simply because it has added some new books to my reading list.

I wish some director or producer would give some of Frank Herbert's non-dune work a try. "The Eyes of Heisenberg" would make a good movie if kept R-rated and Brian Herbert didn't get in the way. "The Godmakers" woul be a cool movie just to have a main characer a Jovian. "The Santaroga Barrier" would work as a creepy indie fim.

Also would like to see some work of Greg Bear's get turned into a movie. HIs short story (novella?) "Hardfought" would make an awesome movie. Someone get Peter Jackson on it now!

Also the best Greg Bear movie never made:

CG Society winning trailer for Eon
 
2012-06-30 01:53:39 PM

Gunther: mat catastrophe: It's funny how comic nerds for years cried about how "comics are literature, too!" and then when a movie comes out that actually feels like a movie instead of just a two-hour long cartoon, they complain because there wasn't enough stuff blowing up or whatever.

Has anyone actually complained about that, or are you full of shiat?

People tend to dislike the first Hulk movie for a number of reasons (pacing, plot holes, the idiotic story focus on the relationship between Banner and his father, the weird comic book panel thing), I haven't heard any complaints about the level of action. Been a while since I saw it, but isn't the last 40 minutes basically just a series of fight scenes - Hulk vs the dogs, Hulk vs the military, Hulk vs Nick Nolte?


Why would the problems with Hulk be any more problematic than they are in any of the other superhero/comic movies? Ever consider the stupidity of the secret weapon in Batman Begins? The super-microwave that turns water to steam? You know, the one that would kill every living thing in its operational range as soon as it turned on? And yet, people give that a total pass and it's heralded as a "brilliant" film.

I'm not saying that Ang Lee's Hulk doesn't have problems, just that it is nowhere near the worst of the comic films ever made and only gets grief because it was slightly less histrionic than other films.

scottydoesntknow: Gunther: mat catastrophe: It's funny how comic nerds for years cried about how "comics are literature, too!" and then when a movie comes out that actually feels like a movie instead of just a two-hour long cartoon, they complain because there wasn't enough stuff blowing up or whatever.

Has anyone actually complained about that, or are you full of shiat?

People tend to dislike the first Hulk movie for a number of reasons (pacing, plot holes, the idiotic story focus on the relationship between Banner and his father, the weird comic book panel thing), I haven't heard any complaints about the level of action. Been a while since I saw it, but isn't the last 40 minutes basically just a series of fight scenes - Hulk vs the dogs, Hulk vs the military, Hulk vs Nick Nolte?

And it just looked like shiat. My plastic army-men tanks looked more realistic than what Hulk was tearing apart.


You're talking about a movie based on comic books and you want to talk about realism? That's funny.
 
2012-06-30 01:58:49 PM

mat catastrophe: Ever consider the stupidity of the secret weapon in Batman Begins? The super-microwave that turns water to steam?


mat catastrophe: You're talking about a movie based on comic books and you want to talk about realism? That's funny.

 
2012-06-30 01:59:32 PM

mat catastrophe: You're talking about a movie based on comic books and you want to talk about realism? That's funny



I find it funny you're actually trying to defend Ang Lee's Hulk. There's a reason they completely rebooted it and ignore that movie completely.
 
2012-06-30 02:00:17 PM

mat catastrophe: You're talking about a movie based on comic books and you want to talk about realism? That's funny


While he used the term "real", he was really talking about visual quality, which is vitally important in a comic book film. Look at Thor. Asgard wasn't realistic, and the rainbow bridge certainly wasn't, but it was visually compelling and believable. That's what's important.

Hulk's special effects were terrible and unconvincing. They didn't bring you into the film, they ripped you bodily out of it.
 
2012-06-30 02:07:49 PM
Ender's game will be fun to watch but will get fans outraged. It's going to be another Starship Troopers or I Robot. A movie based on little more than the title and a basic plots.

To quote Orson Scott Card from his time spent on the set.

"The scene does not come from the book -- very few of the scenes in this movie do -- so it was amusing when others asked me how it felt to have my book brought to life. My book was already alive in the mind of every reader. This is writer-director Gavin Hood's movie, so they were his words, and it was his scene."
 
2012-06-30 02:34:16 PM

Gergesa: I think that they should consider releasing battleship yamamoto in US theaters; the live action one.


I've been considering buying it from Amazon. From the trailers I've seen for it, it looks like it's a pretty fun movie.

The Star Blazers adaptation was my favorite anime when I was a kid. I used to race home from school, every day in the 3rd grade, to watch it.
 
2012-06-30 02:53:26 PM

t3knomanser: mat catastrophe: You're talking about a movie based on comic books and you want to talk about realism? That's funny

While he used the term "real", he was really talking about visual quality, which is vitally important in a comic book film. Look at Thor. Asgard wasn't realistic, and the rainbow bridge certainly wasn't, but it was visually compelling and believable. That's what's important.

Hulk's special effects were terrible and unconvincing. They didn't bring you into the film, they ripped you bodily out of it.


You're talking about films based on a genre of entertainment where this guy is successful.


scottydoesntknow: mat catastrophe: You're talking about a movie based on comic books and you want to talk about realism? That's funny


I find it funny you're actually trying to defend Ang Lee's Hulk. There's a reason they completely rebooted it and ignore that movie completely.


Well, excuse me for stepping out of the Fark Groupthink Line.

The reason they did that is so they could dumb it down for idiot audiences, which apparently includes most of the people still reading comics in their farking 40s.

HeartBurnKid: mat catastrophe: Ever consider the stupidity of the secret weapon in Batman Begins? The super-microwave that turns water to steam?

mat catastrophe: You're talking about a movie based on comic books and you want to talk about realism? That's funny.


These are not contradictory statements in the context of this discussion.

Seriously, you people are farking hilarious.

But, alright, you win. I suppose conformity is more important than anything else. I guess I'll go Full Fanboy from here on out and go with whatever the rest of you think.
 
2012-06-30 03:07:12 PM

mat catastrophe: You're talking about films based on a genre of entertainment where this guy is successful.


Successful, but awful. Just because someone makes money at something doesn't mean that they're good at that particular thing.
 
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2012-06-30 03:15:52 PM

taxandspend: think of a single movie based off of Noah's Arc that's been a)good; or b) successful.


Titan A.E. fills a), but not b).
 
2012-06-30 03:18:27 PM

t3knomanser: mat catastrophe: You're talking about films based on a genre of entertainment where this guy is successful.

Successful, but awful. Just because someone makes money at something doesn't mean that they're good at that particular thing.


Which brings us around to Avengers.
 
2012-06-30 03:19:11 PM

mat catastrophe: I find it funny you're actually trying to defend Ang Lee's Hulk. There's a reason they completely rebooted it and ignore that movie completely.

Well, excuse me for stepping out of the Fark Groupthink Line.

The reason they did that is so they could dumb it down for idiot audiences, which apparently includes most of the people still reading comics in their farking 40s.


He literally drew comic book panels on the screen. It doesn't get any more dumbed down than that. Maybe when Uwe Boll put footage from someone playing the video game in the House of the Dead movie.
 
2012-06-30 03:23:38 PM

mat catastrophe: It's funny how comic nerds for years cried about how "comics are literature, too!" and then when a movie comes out that actually feels like a movie instead of just a two-hour long cartoon, they complain because there wasn't enough stuff blowing up or whatever.


IMO the problems with superhero movies (spiderman etc) is this: Spandex costumes look fine on paper. They look fine in cartoons. But they look completely ridiculous in live-action film.
 
2012-06-30 03:35:21 PM

McGrits: That is a good article simply because it has added some new books to my reading list.


Yeah, I ordered two of them earlier today.

I wish some director or producer would give some of Frank Herbert's non-dune work a try. "The Eyes of Heisenberg" would make a good movie if kept R-rated and Brian Herbert didn't get in the way. "The Godmakers" woul be a cool movie just to have a main characer a Jovian. "The Santaroga Barrier" would work as a creepy indie fim.

I think the "Destination: Void" books would be a better choice.

Also the best Greg Bear movie never made:

CG Society winning trailer for Eon


The problem is this; if Hollywood tries to make a film based on Eon, they'll replace the russians with muslim terrorists (but include one "good" muslim so they can't be called racist), they'll add a few ogle-cam scenes (yet cover up the naughtiest bits so there won't be anything to ogle), and the film will climax with two large men duking it out over a bomb during a countdown with red numbers. All the confusing "thinky bits" will be glossed over.

Maybe Bollywood could get Eon right ... ;p

/notice how all the characters in Eon use "slates?" ;)
 
2012-06-30 03:38:47 PM

Mugato: mat catastrophe: I find it funny you're actually trying to defend Ang Lee's Hulk. There's a reason they completely rebooted it and ignore that movie completely.

Well, excuse me for stepping out of the Fark Groupthink Line.

The reason they did that is so they could dumb it down for idiot audiences, which apparently includes most of the people still reading comics in their farking 40s.

He literally drew comic book panels on the screen. It doesn't get any more dumbed down than that. Maybe when Uwe Boll put footage from someone playing the video game in the House of the Dead movie.


Every bit of Sin City looked like a comic book. You must think that film is terrible.
 
2012-06-30 03:39:46 PM

Uncle Tractor: mat catastrophe: It's funny how comic nerds for years cried about how "comics are literature, too!" and then when a movie comes out that actually feels like a movie instead of just a two-hour long cartoon, they complain because there wasn't enough stuff blowing up or whatever.

IMO the problems with superhero movies (spiderman etc) is this: Spandex costumes look fine on paper. They look fine in cartoons. But they look completely ridiculous in live-action film.


I think that's something else most of the fanboys here are missing.
 
2012-06-30 03:48:07 PM

mat catastrophe: Mugato: mat catastrophe: I find it funny you're actually trying to defend Ang Lee's Hulk. There's a reason they completely rebooted it and ignore that movie completely.

Well, excuse me for stepping out of the Fark Groupthink Line.

The reason they did that is so they could dumb it down for idiot audiences, which apparently includes most of the people still reading comics in their farking 40s.

He literally drew comic book panels on the screen. It doesn't get any more dumbed down than that. Maybe when Uwe Boll put footage from someone playing the video game in the House of the Dead movie.

Every bit of Sin City looked like a comic book. You must think that film is terrible.



Actually I think Sin City is the best comic book to movie adaptation, or at least the most faithful (except Jessica Alba didn't get naked). It looked like a moving picture comic book without literally drawing comic book panels with dialog balloons on the screen.
 
2012-06-30 03:48:31 PM

mat catastrophe: Every bit of Sin City looked like a comic book. You must think that film is terrible.


It wasn't very good, no. It wasn't terrible, but it was definitely lazy and trite, much like the comic it was based on. It was at that point I realized Frank Miller is incredibly overrated.

Uncle Tractor: they'll replace the russians with muslim terrorists


I dunno, there's a bizarre strain of Cold War nostalgia out there. You can't take Eon out of the cold war. The plot makes absolutely no sense if you do. But the novel heavily features something more dreaded than dated antagonists: math.
 
2012-06-30 05:18:41 PM
So no a reboots, prequels or sequels just adaptations of books? So, nothing new then. (I didn't get through the whole list, especially after seeing a stephenie meyer story included.)

I don't know about anyone else, but when I'm into a book, I tend to forget that I am reading and it's almost like watching a movie. Adaptations rarely do justice to what the author's words create in my imagination. Not sure some of the choices were good choices. It almost seems as if some were just aiming at the fact that a lot of people have read certain books, and so the producers think they will have a guaranteed certain amount of viewers.

This does have me thinking though, what books WOULD I like to see as films. I certainly hope they avoid things like Asimov's Foundation, or Zelazny's Amber series. Zelazny's Alien speedway concept might make for something interesting though. Maybe some Hammer's Slammers hovertank action.
 
2012-06-30 05:36:16 PM

Chevello:
This does have me thinking though, what books WOULD I like to see as films. I certainly hope they avoid things like Asimov's Foundation, or Zelazny's Amber series. Zelazny's Alien speedway concept might make for something interesting though. Maybe some Hammer's Slammers hovertank action.


I just finished Lord of Light recently, and was nicely impressed. Are his other books comparably good?
 
2012-06-30 05:42:16 PM

Erix: Chevello:
This does have me thinking though, what books WOULD I like to see as films. I certainly hope they avoid things like Asimov's Foundation, or Zelazny's Amber series. Zelazny's Alien speedway concept might make for something interesting though. Maybe some Hammer's Slammers hovertank action.

I just finished Lord of Light recently, and was nicely impressed. Are his other books comparably good?


I never read Lord of Light, but Amber is probably one of my favorite series I've read(after Malazan Book of the Fallen), and having started backwards reading modern stuff before more classical stuff, I'd have to say I see the influences of this work everywhere. I'd liken it to Farmer's Riverworld in that the ideas are great(ridiculously great), the writing is mostly great, but there are down periods that might require a little effort to push through.
 
2012-06-30 05:59:55 PM
I'm holding out for them to turn Grunts into a movie.

"Pass me another elf, sergeant! This one's split!" - totally needs to be in a movie.

//okay, not really, but... YO! ORC SNIPERS!
 
2012-07-01 12:24:03 AM
FTA: Hansel and Gretl: Witch Hunters

Reminds me of:

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2012-07-01 04:22:11 AM
Cloud Atlas -- yes!

Life of Pi -- yes!

World War Z -- I'll be interested to see how this turns out. As for similarity to Brooks's book, I hope it's not too faithful. There are many parts of the book that made me roll my eyes, and I'd be happy not to see them played out on the screen. Knowing filmmakers, though, I expect it will actually be worse. But I'll see it anyway.

Dinosaurs and Aliens -- Give me a break.

The Host -- A perhaps interesting take on an old and well-worn theme, but I'll give it a fair chance. The idea itself has many possibilities, so there's always room for a fresh perspective.

Ender's Game -- I've heard many times that it's a great novel, that Card is a great writer, blah blah. But I can't get past the fact that he's a consummate dickhead, and no matter how open-minded I try to be about, every description of this I've heard sounds like something I'd really hate. Das uberkinder? Bah. Sounds too much like Lensman, which I also found absurd and abhorrent. Mostly, though, it just makes me feel ill to imagine that I might accidentally pass a buck to the guy. Count me out.

Hansel and Gretl: This joke started getting tired almost immediately. I mean, I think it might have made a very entertaining serious of SNL skits for maybe half a season, but that's about it.

Robopocalypse -- I was wondering when Spielberg would try to prove that he can out-Lucas Lucas.

Noah -- I think the producers missed an opportunity here. This might be a good vehicle for Stephen Baldwin. He's actually older than Charlton Heston was when he played Moses, so it could work. He'd do some real work for a change, stop his whining while he's distracted with all those lines and stuff, and no one likely to go see this would care about his awful acting. A winnar is everyone.

Neuromancer, Snow Crash -- We all want to see well-done adaptations of these. (I think these might also be the only two actual science films here.) I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but I'm not holding my breath.

Ready Player One -- On instinct, I don't expect to like it. But I liked Scott Pilgrim much more than I expected (bring it hat0rz, I don't give a shiat what you think), so if I'm not repelled by the trailers I'll probably give it a chance.

We Mortals Are -- Sounds great! Wait, Tom Cruise? Ehh.. let's see the trailers first, I dunno.

Mortal Instruments -- I'm not sure if I'm up for 'Buffy: Wings of Desire,' but weird movies always interest me, so maybe.

Frankenweenie -- You had me at the still. I'm all yours.

The Gift -- Loved the short. My ticket is bought.

Pixels -- Call me whatever names you want, but I don't even care if there's any plot to this. I'm in.

Tomo -- From the short bit I saw, this looks like it could go either way for me. At one point it looks a bit like Moon, which I loved. At others.. well, I'm not really into the whole Nutty AI thing, to be honest. I'll probably give it a chance.

The Gate -- Let's see, what do I like better -- being insulted by bullshiat pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo, or being repeatedly kicked in the head and stomach by the likes of J.J. Abrams. I bet it's a whole lot cheaper to just spend a Saturday morning slamming oversweetened coffee and watching breakfast cereal commercials. I can still feel sick and put down, but not have to show my face or drive back home.

End of the World -- On the one hand, yeah, this might be awful times awful. On the other hand, it might cancel out and be a lot of fun. But I doubt it.

Hotel Transylvania -- Even if it's dumb, I bet it'll still be fun to watch.

Wreck-It Ralph -- The thing about these kinds of Disney products is that they either work brilliantly or flop horribly. The trailer doesn't suggest which way this one might go. It's clear they put tanker ships of cash into CGI, but narrative is what makes any film. And 90 minutes of gags is not narrative. I like the concept very much. But I'm very wary of the execution.

Escape from Planet Earth -- Yeah, no thanks.

Epic -- Depends how it's played, but I like what I see so far.

The Possession -- Pandora's Exorcist. Yay.

7500 -- I was wondering how they'd make this concept work. I'm still wondering.

The Watch -- howaboutno.jpg

The Odd Life of Timothy Green -- You just know that the salt from his hot tears is burning the place where Spielburg bit through his lip when he saw this.

Looper -- (Okay, so those other two aren't the only SF films listed.) I do want to see this, though I have my concerns. If it's in the Dick vein, then it could brutally mine the implications of the setup, which would be great. But the trailer makes it look like just an excuse to have guys beat each other up, and I've already seen all the Die Hard films.

Gravity -- I'll admit it, I'm biased: I'll pay a tenner to watch Sandra Bullock read a phone book for 90 minutes. And even the incredibly short synopsis has me interested. But I can also see how this could be done very weakly, or at least very wishy-washy, and that would disappoint me. Still, I'm definitely there.

Elysium -- I can't imagine this being unwatchable, or unlikable.

Oblivion -- I like the setup enough that I'll give this a chance. But what's with Tom Cruise again? What, did Keanu Reeves not ask for enough money?

After Earth -- Gee, I wonder if there will be a twist ending?

Pacific Rim -- Remember when cheeseball sci-fi wasn't all full of hipness and unpleasantly hygienic child actors, but was just big stupid FUN? Count me in.

Singularity -- Remember when Harlan Ellison was consulted for 'The Star Lost'? No? Well, don't worry, this probably won't backfire that badly.

Jupiter Rising -- Okay, now they're just trolling us, right?

Ruby Sparks -- When I saw 'Stranger Than Fiction,' I kept thinking to myself how remarkable it was that such a fragile narrative managed not to implode on itself. Now I know what that would have looked like. (Does Paul Dano know he looks like David Herman? Too bad he doesn't act as well.)

Robot and Frank -- If I'd only read the description of this, I would have laughed off a pang of nausea and moved on. But trailer is making me think twice about it.

Branded -- Wow, this looks so much worse than I might have imagined. Just awful. Maybe if they weren't trying to knock off so many good movies at the same time, and just concentrated on one or two to rip off, they'd do better.

Storage 24 -- Wow, this looks even worse than the last one. Do people actually get paid for stuff like this?

Knights of Badassdom -- I want to like it, but I'm having some trouble.

The Prototype -- Someone please explain to me why the robot is breathing hard. I wonder how many more unimaginative misunderstandings of Kurzweil we'll have to endure.

Most of the other films are about dead people, so they all seem like different versions of the same film to me, like Wild Cards or something. Any one of them might be good, but they all seem to think they're great because they've got some 'take' on what's already an overworked idea. Zombies need to be left fallow for awhile, I think. It says a lot that modern versions of Medieval fairy tale children beating up witches actually seems like a fresh idea.

See y'all at the movies.
 
2012-07-01 04:28:16 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: ...


So you get all high-horsey and snooty about Ender's Game then suck on Scott Pilgrim's dick? What a moron
 
2012-07-01 04:36:25 AM

phaseolus: [img.gawkerassets.com image 300x193]

Okay, I think it's long past time that the big animation studios clean house and find new creative minds who can imagine character designs nothing like we've ever seen before. I'm tired of this rubber-stamp stuff. I grew up watching the old Animation Festivals in the '70s-'80s, so maybe seeing dozens of wildly different artistic visions on display spoiled me for life.

Maybe when you're a big studio and US$hundreds of millions are at stake you can't afford to take risks. Sad, really.

Also -- Untitled Henry Sellick project -- The Graveyard Book, maybe?? I haven't been paying as much attention to Gaiman's doings as I used to. Lemme know, somebody.


Thanks. I get out to see animation festivals when I can, and I'll see more imagination on display in a couple hours from no-budget artists than from two years of big-budget CGI cookie cutter movies. It's very disappointing.
 
2012-07-01 04:51:46 AM

bhcompy: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: ...

So you get all high-horsey and snooty about Ender's Game then suck on Scott Pilgrim's dick? What a moron


chztotsandgiggles.files.wordpress.com

Not hating Scott Pilgrim is for some reason the biggest accidental trollbait of this season. No idea why. It's just a (very) silly movie. But why am I supposed to lie about it, or not talk about it, just to keep whiny biatches like you happy?
 
2012-07-01 05:00:27 AM
Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Ender's Game -- I've heard many times that it's a great novel, that Card is a great writer, blah blah. But I can't get past the fact that he's a consummate dickhead, and no matter how open-minded I try to be about, every description of this I've heard sounds like something I'd really hate. Das uberkinder? Bah. Sounds too much like Lensman, which I also found absurd and abhorrent. Mostly, though, it just makes me feel ill to imagine that I might accidentally pass a buck to the guy. Count me out.

I don't care if the author is a consummate dickhead. All I care is does that person write a good book. If it makes you want to throw up if you pass a buck to someone you hate then borrow that book from a library. Give the book a chance read it and make your mind if you like it or not.

BTW "Dune" and "Children of Dune" has Das uberkinder.
 
2012-07-01 11:26:18 AM

Freschel: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Ender's Game -- I've heard many times that it's a great novel, that Card is a great writer, blah blah. But I can't get past the fact that he's a consummate dickhead, and no matter how open-minded I try to be about, every description of this I've heard sounds like something I'd really hate. Das uberkinder? Bah. Sounds too much like Lensman, which I also found absurd and abhorrent. Mostly, though, it just makes me feel ill to imagine that I might accidentally pass a buck to the guy. Count me out.

I don't care if the author is a consummate dickhead. All I care is does that person write a good book. If it makes you want to throw up if you pass a buck to someone you hate then borrow that book from a library. Give the book a chance read it and make your mind if you like it or not.

BTW "Dune" and "Children of Dune" has Das uberkinder.


That's a good idea. I think what I'd actually like to do is read the short story it's based on, as I've heard a number of times that that's better, and it's all downhill from there.

My thing about writers might have to do with the fact that I write myself, so when I read a book I feel like I'm talking to the writer directly. All characters are the writer wearing a masque, to some degree, and all ideas presented are the writer's own, in various drag -- even ideas the writer disagrees with, but still presented entirely through their own personal filters. So in reading Card, I'd feel like I'm sitting there and letting some nasty old codger I already disagree with talk down to me.
 
2012-07-01 12:07:05 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: My thing about writers might have to do with the fact that I write myself, so when I read a book I feel like I'm talking to the writer directly. All characters are the writer wearing a masque, to some degree, and all ideas presented are the writer's own, in various drag -- even ideas the writer disagrees with, but still presented entirely through their own personal filters. So in reading Card, I'd feel like I'm sitting there and letting some nasty old codger I already disagree with talk down to me.


slight segue...

I have thought about this a fair bit while trying to wrap my head around how to write from a different character's pov. For instance, I'm a 60-ish y/o white male. In imagining myself trying to write dialog for, say, a 16 y/o female character in a short story, I keep stumbling over creating lelievable dialog. I keep thinking she'll end up sounding like a male.

Thanks for addressing this issue.

/segue
 
2012-07-01 12:13:59 PM

Erix: Chevello:
This does have me thinking though, what books WOULD I like to see as films. I certainly hope they avoid things like Asimov's Foundation, or Zelazny's Amber series. Zelazny's Alien speedway concept might make for something interesting though. Maybe some Hammer's Slammers hovertank action.

I just finished Lord of Light recently, and was nicely impressed. Are his other books comparably good?


Had a big ol thing typed in and when I hit "Add comment" it was right when the server move started so I lost it. So here's the link to one of his short stories so you can give it a try.
 
2012-07-01 12:25:37 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Freschel: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Ender's Game -- I've heard many times that it's a great novel, that Card is a great writer, blah blah. But I can't get past the fact that he's a consummate dickhead, and no matter how open-minded I try to be about, every description of this I've heard sounds like something I'd really hate. Das uberkinder? Bah. Sounds too much like Lensman, which I also found absurd and abhorrent. Mostly, though, it just makes me feel ill to imagine that I might accidentally pass a buck to the guy. Count me out.

I don't care if the author is a consummate dickhead. All I care is does that person write a good book. If it makes you want to throw up if you pass a buck to someone you hate then borrow that book from a library. Give the book a chance read it and make your mind if you like it or not.

BTW "Dune" and "Children of Dune" has Das uberkinder.

That's a good idea. I think what I'd actually like to do is read the short story it's based on, as I've heard a number of times that that's better, and it's all downhill from there.

My thing about writers might have to do with the fact that I write myself, so when I read a book I feel like I'm talking to the writer directly. All characters are the writer wearing a masque, to some degree, and all ideas presented are the writer's own, in various drag -- even ideas the writer disagrees with, but still presented entirely through their own personal filters. So in reading Card, I'd feel like I'm sitting there and letting some nasty old codger I already disagree with talk down to me.


A problem I have occasionally pondered similar to what you describe is how do actors ever go see a movie or TV show? Or musicians ever listen to music? They are intimately familiar with the nuts and bolts of how the product was made and it would seem to me that images of that process would overpower the image of the actual product.

Probably why I could never work in a restaurant or be a gynocologist. It would ruin it for me.
 
2012-07-01 12:59:44 PM

Chevello: Erix: Chevello:
This does have me thinking though, what books WOULD I like to see as films. I certainly hope they avoid things like Asimov's Foundation, or Zelazny's Amber series. Zelazny's Alien speedway concept might make for something interesting though. Maybe some Hammer's Slammers hovertank action.

I just finished Lord of Light recently, and was nicely impressed. Are his other books comparably good?

Had a big ol thing typed in and when I hit "Add comment" it was right when the server move started so I lost it. So here's the link to one of his short stories so you can give it a try.


Thanks, that was a great story. I'll definitely check out some more of his writing; apparently the Amber series is where it's at.
 
2012-07-01 01:02:24 PM

StoneColdAtheist: I have thought about this a fair bit while trying to wrap my head around how to write from a different character's pov.


Have you listened to the Writing Excuses podcast? It's four published authors all giving advice to wanna-be writers about those kinds of issues. They've done a couple episodes on that very topic.
 
2012-07-01 01:25:30 PM

StoneColdAtheist: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: My thing about writers might have to do with the fact that I write myself, so when I read a book I feel like I'm talking to the writer directly. All characters are the writer wearing a masque, to some degree, and all ideas presented are the writer's own, in various drag -- even ideas the writer disagrees with, but still presented entirely through their own personal filters. So in reading Card, I'd feel like I'm sitting there and letting some nasty old codger I already disagree with talk down to me.

slight segue...

I have thought about this a fair bit while trying to wrap my head around how to write from a different character's pov. For instance, I'm a 60-ish y/o white male. In imagining myself trying to write dialog for, say, a 16 y/o female character in a short story, I keep stumbling over creating lelievable dialog. I keep thinking she'll end up sounding like a male.

Thanks for addressing this issue.

/segue


The advice I was always given is the exact same advice offered by some of the most celebrated writers of the last century: go to them. The reality is that you and I can't accurately imagine them -- you've never been a 16-year-old girl, and it's been many years since I've been, and in any case, people's external projections of themselves are as much a product of their immediate environment, and that means also the time they live in: 16-year-olds today are at least in many superficial ways, such as speech, quite different from the one I used to be, so it wouldn't be much use even if I did remember.

What you need to do, then, is do direct research. Find out where subjects like those you'd like to depict hang out, and go there yourself to discreetly observe them and take notes. Great writers used to do this all the time. If you wanted to be able to realistically depict regulars at a certain kind of bar, for example, you'd go to a place like and quietly take notes, until you felt you had it down. It's not realistic to presume that you can get inside their heads, but there are some ways of at least mimicking their habits. One that might sound crazy but apparently really works is to role-play them on your own, aping voice, gestures, and especially facial gestures. In professional acting, this is known as 'Method' acting, and it's apparently quite effective, at least long enough to create convincing characters.

But key to any approach to any subject not similar to you yourself is to find real people like that and observe them directly.
 
2012-07-01 02:19:39 PM

swahnhennessy: carnifex2005: Worst ending to a good book I've ever read. Hopefully the movie improves that part of the book.

I think Stephenson does that on purpose. I've never read an ending of his that didn't almost ruin the book.

As for film adaptations of Snowcrash or Neuromancer, I'd be more afraid than hopeful. Hollywood has a lousy track record with that sort of subject matter.


These are about 20 years too late, considering how mired in their respective times the books are.

Then again, they still make westerns once on a while, so why not cyberpunk movies?
 
2012-07-01 02:49:12 PM

DjangoStonereaver: These are about 20 years too late, considering how mired in their respective times the books are.


I tend to think this is the biggest problem.

I absolutely love Snow Crash and reread it every couple of years (And the audio book is more of a performance than a reading - take it with you on a long car trip.) But as much as Stephenson predicted and made the future, the book itself is dated and needs updating.

Maybe a good director and script writer will find that easy and maybe not.

Fans looking for a pure Snow Crash won't find it, because no one is going to make a dated movie. And so what will happen is fans will find a movie that if we are lucky is largely true to the original, and much more of the director and screenwriter's vision.

Blade Runner the movie vs. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.

My worry is not that we get a Blade Runner out of this, but that we do get a pure Snow Crash except with zombies not metaprogrammed slaves, and all the religious and programming stuff removed because it's only a 90 minute movie.
 
2012-07-01 02:49:36 PM

DjangoStonereaver: swahnhennessy: carnifex2005: Worst ending to a good book I've ever read. Hopefully the movie improves that part of the book.

I think Stephenson does that on purpose. I've never read an ending of his that didn't almost ruin the book.

As for film adaptations of Snowcrash or Neuromancer, I'd be more afraid than hopeful. Hollywood has a lousy track record with that sort of subject matter.

These are about 20 years too late, considering how mired in their respective times the books are.

Then again, they still make westerns once on a while, so why not cyberpunk movies?


I'm fine with it. I'd much rather see a well crafted story told right but in a setting that seems outdated than a well crafted story that's been mangled by hacks trying to cram it into an updated/modern/politically correct setting.

If it's a story set in the Cold War, give me Russians as the enemy, instead of trying to make it the Chinese or Best Koreans or the Terrorists of Jihadistan. I'm already suspending my disbelief to enjoy the movie, and I can continue doing so long enough to overlook the fact that the USSR isn't our nemesis anymore.
 
2012-07-01 05:52:51 PM

Gunther: StoneColdAtheist: I have thought about this a fair bit while trying to wrap my head around how to write from a different character's pov.

Have you listened to the Writing Excuses podcast? It's four published authors all giving advice to wanna-be writers about those kinds of issues. They've done a couple episodes on that very topic.


Sylvia_Bandersnatch: What you need to do, then, is do direct research. Find out where subjects like those you'd like to depict hang out, and go there yourself to discreetly observe them and take notes. Great writers used to do this all the time. If you wanted to be able to realistically depict regulars at a certain kind of bar, for example, you'd go to a place like and quietly take notes, until you felt you had it down. It's not realistic to pre ...


Wow...thanks to both of you! I figured nobody was reading this thread anymore and certainly didn't expect two helpful answers. Thanks again!
 
2012-07-02 09:37:19 AM

StoneColdAtheist: I have thought about this a fair bit while trying to wrap my head around how to write from a different character's pov. For instance, I'm a 60-ish y/o white male. In imagining myself trying to write dialog for, say, a 16 y/o female character in a short story, I keep stumbling over creating lelievable dialog. I keep thinking she'll end up sounding like a male.


Think of a man and then remove reason and accountability.

/had to be said

I found Neuromancer difficult to get into, but once I did, it was an enjoyable story and the mental pictures it created long-lasting. I think the difficulty stemmed from how terse and trippy things are worded. Everything is so vivid yet unclear, as if one stood naked before a thousand flashing neon signs. When I picture a movie adaptation of Neuromancer, I hope for something that has the same feel as Blade Runner with Harrison Ford.

Even a three hour movie isn't going to adequately capture Ender's Game. As a series, like the HBO adaptation for A Game of Thrones, it might work.

Snow Crash is massively overhyped and will probably wind up as a poorly done spin of Caprica+New Cap City. I'd rather see them do an adaptation of The Diamond Age.
 
2012-07-02 09:49:32 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: What you need to do, then, is do direct research. Find out where subjects like those you'd like to depict hang out, and go there yourself to discreetly observe them and take notes.


And then get arrested for being a creepy old man stalking 16-year-old girls!

Officer: Mr. StoneColdAtheist, why do you have this memo pad full of notes about these girls eating habits and weekend plans?
Mr. StoneColdAtheist: I'm a writer trying to get inside the mind of 16-year-old girls.
Officer: Right. Right. *takes some notes.* So, Mr. StoneColdAtheist, I have you on record as wanting to get inside a 16-year-old girl. Is there anything else you wish to add?
 
2012-07-02 10:06:05 AM

Feepit: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: What you need to do, then, is do direct research. Find out where subjects like those you'd like to depict hang out, and go there yourself to discreetly observe them and take notes.

And then get arrested for being a creepy old man stalking 16-year-old girls!

Officer: Mr. StoneColdAtheist, why do you have this memo pad full of notes about these girls eating habits and weekend plans?
Mr. StoneColdAtheist: I'm a writer trying to get inside the mind of 16-year-old girls.
Officer: Right. Right. *takes some notes.* So, Mr. StoneColdAtheist, I have you on record as wanting to get inside a 16-year-old girl. Is there anything else you wish to add?


WIN!!!

I LOL'd... :^)
 
2012-07-02 10:20:06 AM
I meant to add that I laughed because that's pretty much exactly the scenario playing out in the event I actually tried to hang out with 16 y/o girls. I recall an incident from within the past few years where a Sacramento man who moonlights as a videographer (who then sells the footage to TV news channels) was arrested while filming girls at a (IIRC) cheerleading competition. I don't remember if he was ultimately charged, but the chilling effect of arresting him and making a big, public deal out of it would be enough to give me pause before trying anything even remotely like that.

Methinks I'll stick to male characters...
 
2012-07-02 12:32:02 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: bhcompy: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: ...

So you get all high-horsey and snooty about Ender's Game then suck on Scott Pilgrim's dick? What a moron

[chztotsandgiggles.files.wordpress.com image 387x417]

Not hating Scott Pilgrim is for some reason the biggest accidental trollbait of this season. No idea why. It's just a (very) silly movie. But why am I supposed to lie about it, or not talk about it, just to keep whiny biatches like you happy?


Because morons have decided that Scott Pilgrim is "hipster" for some reason.
 
2012-07-02 01:16:51 PM

HeartBurnKid: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: bhcompy: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: ...

So you get all high-horsey and snooty about Ender's Game then suck on Scott Pilgrim's dick? What a moron

[chztotsandgiggles.files.wordpress.com image 387x417]

Not hating Scott Pilgrim is for some reason the biggest accidental trollbait of this season. No idea why. It's just a (very) silly movie. But why am I supposed to lie about it, or not talk about it, just to keep whiny biatches like you happy?

Because morons have decided that Scott Pilgrim is "hipster" for some reason.


As hipster as hating Ender's Game because you disagree with the author's personal beliefs
 
2012-07-02 05:35:58 PM

HeartBurnKid: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: bhcompy: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: ...

So you get all high-horsey and snooty about Ender's Game then suck on Scott Pilgrim's dick? What a moron

[chztotsandgiggles.files.wordpress.com image 387x417]

Not hating Scott Pilgrim is for some reason the biggest accidental trollbait of this season. No idea why. It's just a (very) silly movie. But why am I supposed to lie about it, or not talk about it, just to keep whiny biatches like you happy?

Because morons have decided that Scott Pilgrim is "hipster" for some reason.


And why should I give a shiat about what other people think about what people other than me may think? I'm some kind of jerk because I happen to sincerely like something that some jerkwads like ironically? I'm not allowed to like anything that anyone you don't like might like? What is this, grade school? Jesus, people, get over yourselves. It's okay to like something that other people don't, and it's okay to dislike something that other people do, but it's kind of douchy to tell people that they're bad and wrong because of it. Can we just TRY be grown-ups here?
 
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