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(Kansas City)   Get a DUI? Don't worry, pay me $199.99 and I won't blitz your neighbors with your mug shot. w/ pics of said douchebag   (kansascity.com) divider line 168
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2012-06-30 01:09:38 AM  
Why do I get the feeling that the followup story will be about this guy getting blitzed upside the head with a baseball bat?
 
2012-06-30 02:05:04 AM  

PacManDreaming: Why do I get the feeling that the followup story will be about this guy getting blitzed upside the head with a baseball bat?


I dunno. There's just something classy about a garrote made from two pegs and the A-string of a fine Italian cello.

Either way, I think somebody is going to take this guy out, and I don't think he'll be missed.
 
2012-06-30 03:53:09 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: PacManDreaming: Why do I get the feeling that the followup story will be about this guy getting blitzed upside the head with a baseball bat?

I dunno. There's just something classy about a garrote made from two pegs and the A-string of a fine Italian cello.

Either way, I think somebody is going to take this guy out, and I don't think he'll be missed.


I feel like starting a website detailing his child pornography collection, and charge him a few hundred thousand to take it down.
 
2012-06-30 05:04:47 AM  
Wait, guys! You've got him all wrong! He's not in it for the money; he's giving ten percent to charity!
 
2012-06-30 05:06:35 AM  
hope this guy likes it in PMITA prison, assuming he makes it there without having his insides put on the outside. what a loser....
 
2012-06-30 05:15:41 AM  
$199.99 will probably be the offing price for this guy.
 
2012-06-30 05:21:33 AM  
It'd be a terrible shame if somebody started spamming 4chan with this sh*tbag's personal info. Tragic, even.
 
2012-06-30 05:23:53 AM  

Tommy Moo: Wait, guys! You've got him all wrong! He's not in it for the money; he's giving ten percent to charity!


According to his site, he's now giving 33% to a fund to find a killer.
I live in Shawnee, perhaps the lowest crime part of the metro KC area. This douche claims he's trying to protect us all by posting pics of bad guys... unless they pay 200 bucks. What, then they're not bad guys any more?
"We're looking for LaShon Jackson, who was arrested for diddling his little sister last week and... wait a second, the mail just came.... and we got something from L. Jackson.... Okay, we like Mr. Jackson now, no need to 911 or anything... but let's talk about Keniesha Jones...
 
2012-06-30 05:25:31 AM  
This guy is a laugh, that's for certain. He is taking it into his own hands to further punish people who have already paid their restitution to society. He might claim to be acting righteously, but that is bullshiat. If the ex-cons simply send him an easy payment of $200 they are suddenly no longer bad in his books. It's ridiculous.

I also give him a short lifespan if he keeps this up. 99% of ex-offenders are probably decent people who just made a mistake, but the remaining 1% are likely best not farked with.
 
2012-06-30 05:27:32 AM  
I suspect that critical thinking is not one of his strengths.
 
2012-06-30 05:29:19 AM  
This is how the free market works. If you do not like it, start your own government with its own set of rules, regulations, and laws, charge these people with crimes, and then create your own web site where they can pay to have this information disappear. I just find it funny, though, how the only people who have a problem with this are the criminals and terrorists.
 
2012-06-30 05:36:52 AM  
Douche doesn't even begin to describe this fellow.
 
2012-06-30 05:37:49 AM  
FTA: "We will canvas the neighborhood of someone just released from jail with flyers on every residence, even if they have not gone to trial or been convicted of the crimes brought against them," the letter said.

Am I missing something, or is that not incredibly illegal?

I mean, what's to stop someone from suing him for defamation, libel, harassment, extortion and anything else a lawyer can come up with? He has to know there's no way a jury is gonna rule in his favor.
 
2012-06-30 05:46:39 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This is how the free market works. If you do not like it, start your own government with its own set of rules, regulations, and laws, charge these people with crimes, and then create your own web site where they can pay to have this information disappear. I just find it funny, though, how the only people who have a problem with this are the criminals and terrorists.


whyweprotest.net
 
2012-06-30 05:47:54 AM  
only thing i got against the dude is the "even if they have not gone ot trial or BEEN CONVICTED of the crimes brought against them"

only mater of time till he pisses off a person that doesnt care about life any more and kills him.
 
2012-06-30 05:49:31 AM  
How can this not be blackmail? He's not just making public information available, he's pushing that information on the public in a targeted manner with the intent of causing harm.
 
2012-06-30 05:55:40 AM  

Pattuq: This guy is a laugh, that's for certain. He is taking it into his own hands to further punish people who have already paid their restitution to society. He might claim to be acting righteously, but that is bullshiat. If the ex-cons simply send him an easy payment of $200 they are suddenly no longer bad in his books. It's ridiculous.

I also give him a short lifespan if he keeps this up. 99% of ex-offenders are probably decent people who just made a mistake, but the remaining 1% are likely best not farked with.


Well if it's just their mug shots, they haven't paid yet. They are just getting into the system.
 
2012-06-30 05:58:06 AM  
Can't find the Monty Python skit that's very similar to this guys scam, but I'm sure all of you know which one I mean.
 
2012-06-30 06:03:03 AM  
Suppose you were arrested for something, then released when the cops figured out you couldn't have done it. You were arrested, though. You end up on this douchebags's site and all of your neighbors think you did something ('he must have done something, why would they arrest him if he didn't')

But you show up on this assholes site, cuz'n you was arrested. But for the low low price of 200 bucks blackmail you can clear your name...
 
2012-06-30 06:03:47 AM  

MagSeven: Pattuq: This guy is a laugh, that's for certain. He is taking it into his own hands to further punish people who have already paid their restitution to society. He might claim to be acting righteously, but that is bullshiat. If the ex-cons simply send him an easy payment of $200 they are suddenly no longer bad in his books. It's ridiculous.

I also give him a short lifespan if he keeps this up. 99% of ex-offenders are probably decent people who just made a mistake, but the remaining 1% are likely best not farked with.

Well if it's just their mug shots, they haven't paid yet. They are just getting into the system.


He was talking about how it is done after their release, however.
 
2012-06-30 06:04:07 AM  

Jamieboy: Can't find the Monty Python skit that's very similar to this guys scam, but I'm sure all of you know which one I mean.


The one where they dance around in U C K F shirts, pretending to crush heads using forced perspective while debating the misheard lyrics of Blinded by the Light?

/held up like a loofah by the foreman of the night
 
2012-06-30 06:05:49 AM  
You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy.
 
2012-06-30 06:06:31 AM  
I hope the county puts him in jail for extortion, but it will be just as likely they'll kick him off his own web site and continue it on their own as an inventive revenue stream.
 
2012-06-30 06:08:42 AM  

mr smart the great: only thing i got against the dude is the "even if they have not gone ot trial or BEEN CONVICTED of the crimes brought against them"


And why should someone who's already been punished for a crime have to suffer further punishment? from an unaffected third party just looking for a payoff, no less?

Imagine if companies like this become common - some guy who gets a fine for smoking a joint gets home to find a couple dozen letters from companies all demanding $199.99 or they'll flood his neighborhood with "caution - a drug addicted criminal lives amongst you!" pamphlets. He ends up spending 10x as much on paying off these farking vultures than he does on his court-mandated fine.

If you don't see how unbelievably exploitative and morally repugnant this is, shame on you.
 
2012-06-30 06:18:49 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-06-30 06:25:17 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre
"You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy."

This. The self righteousness in this thread is pretty amazing.

That being said, I do wonder if what he is doing crosses the legal threshold to be cobsidered extortion? And yeah he is a total douchebag
 
2012-06-30 06:27:07 AM  
"They're public record," Erickson said of the mugshots that Creed gets from the sheriff's website. "Although we don't endorse anyone who uses them in that fashion, we don't have a lot of ability to stop it."


Um...ok...

I understand that it's legal to publish and it's already available public information.

But how does it not to amount to blackmail to threaten someone with publishing it if they don't pay you $200?

And you can't spout some bullshiat about trying to make your community a safer place by publishing criminal records, when you are willing to take a fee to remove that information.
 
2012-06-30 06:27:28 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy.


umm.. you might want to rethink the whole hypocrite thingy... No one on Fark extorts (asks) for money for said pictures to be removed. We just mock them. If this POS was just reposting pics of arrestees then he would be like a thousand other sites and thus not on Fark.

Your argument is stupid..
 
2012-06-30 06:27:46 AM  
I got a speeding ticket and had offers from nine traffic schools in the mail within days. Vultures, but nothing about putting my record on their publicly available website unless I paid hush-money.

"Some members then began posting Creed's home address, which they found in a lawsuit Creed filed last year and which was listed on a Missouri courts website."

"This angered him, Creed told The Star."


Bwaaaahaaaahaaa!
 
2012-06-30 06:33:21 AM  

Sudlow: ThrobblefootSpectre
"You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy."

This. The self righteousness in this thread is pretty amazing.

That being said, I do wonder if what he is doing crosses the legal threshold to be cobsidered extortion? And yeah he is a total douchebag


Well, to be fair, those photos aren't being posted by us specifically for people that live in those people's community to see them, in order to shame the person, and no one on this website (that I know of), or the website that hosts the pics, is sending people letters telling them they can only have the information removed if they send $200.
Most of the pictures as far as I know have also already been published in local newspapers and such too.

It does raise a good point, whether or not people's criminal records or mug shots should be legal to publish in the first place. But that's not what is the main problem with what the person in the article is doing. The problem is that he's trying to make money by what appears to be blackmail.
 
2012-06-30 06:35:35 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy.


Fark doesn't notify your neighbors or try to extort $200 to remove the photo. The Smoking Gun doesn't either. No hypocrisy.
 
2012-06-30 06:37:58 AM  

RedPhoenix122: ecmoRandomNumbers:

I feel like starting a website detailing his child pornography collection, and charge him a few hundred thousand to take it down.


The only problem is that unless you have proof that he has a child porn collection, you could be sued for libel. I'm not defending the guy, because I think what he's doing is horrible, but while his plan may possibly be legal, your plan isn't legal at all.
 
2012-06-30 06:42:48 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This is how the free market works. If you do not like it, start your own government with its own set of rules, regulations, and laws, charge these people with crimes, and then create your own web site where they can pay to have this information disappear. I just find it funny, though, how the only people who have a problem with this are the criminals and terrorists.


Ahahahahahaha. You never fail to amuse me.
 
2012-06-30 06:45:56 AM  

dobro: ThrobblefootSpectre: You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy.

Fark doesn't notify your neighbors or try to extort $200 to remove the photo. The Smoking Gun doesn't either. No hypocrisy.


Not to mention a distinct lack of names, addresses, or other identifying information (besides what they were arrested for) on TSG's mugshot roundup.

Also,

i.imgur.com

"Just send us $199.99, and the world need never know the name of your LOVER IN BOLTON."
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-30 06:45:56 AM  
Members of the message board blasted the blabbermouth site and questioned if it amounted to blackmail or extortion.

It's extortion under most states' laws. You can't demand money in return for not accusing somebody of a crime. Truth is not a defense.
 
2012-06-30 06:50:05 AM  
This is a very interesting case. It appears to be legal extortion. But wikipedia says:

"Neither extortion nor blackmail require a threat of a criminal act, such as violence, merely a threat used to elicit actions, money, or property from the object of the extortion. Such threats include the filing of reports (true or not) of criminal behavior to the police, revelation of damaging facts (such as pictures of the object of the extortion in a compromising position), etc."
 
2012-06-30 06:53:20 AM  

smallerGov: No one on Fark extorts (asks) for money for said pictures to be removed.


So, as long as you don't give the person the option of making you stop, it's okay?
 
2012-06-30 06:57:09 AM  
I can't see him getting much money from this. People with DUIs aren't known for their considerations for other people now, are they?
He should go after televangelists instead. Just one of those guys could be a huge pay day.
 
2012-06-30 06:59:52 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This is how the free market works. If you do not like it, start your own government with its own set of rules, regulations, and laws, charge these people with crimes, and then create your own web site where they can pay to have this information disappear. I just find it funny, though, how the only people who have a problem with this are the criminals and terrorists.


He's threatening to blitz your neighborhood with flyers detailing even that you got ARRESTED. If you've been on Fark for any length of time, you know that it doesn't take being a criminal to get arrested. Still, even if the charges are dismissed, this douchebag is threatening to flood your neighbors with flyers about how you got arrested unless you pay up.
 
2012-06-30 07:02:25 AM  
If I told people I had private photos of them in compromising sexual positions (which I had somehow obtained legally), but they could have them removed from my website for $200... I'm pretty sure that would be illegal. Especially if I said that otherwise, I might also post those photos around their house. I'm not sure how this would be different.
 
2012-06-30 07:05:42 AM  
To me this is a pretty clear cut case of extortion or blackmail. The real gem is this though "We will canvas the neighborhood of someone just released from jail with flyers on every residence, even if they have not gone to trial or been convicted of the crimes brought against them," the letter said.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/28/3682310/website-offers-to-delete- its-information.html#storylink=cpy

It doesn't matter if you've been found innocent, or the charges are dropped. How is this not blackmail or extortion? Of course I only have an internet GED in law, so I'm clearly no expert, but I don't see how this guy doesn't either end up in jail, and/or end up getting sued out of existence.

And yea, if this guy isn't slapped down hard, this is going to be repeated a brazillion times. Imagine getting pulled over for a DUI, and a week latter your mail box is overflowing with these types of threatening letters.
 
2012-06-30 07:07:36 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: smallerGov: No one on Fark extorts (asks) for money for said pictures to be removed.

So, as long as you don't give the person the option of making you stop, it's okay?


Well, there's a few other differences (for one, Fark doesn't threaten to ruin their lives by blanketing their neighborhood with pamphlets).

But yeah; in some circumstances, offering to not do something if someone pays you is immoral, even if the action itself isn't immoral. it's not immoral to tell someone that their husband is cheating on them. It IS immoral to say "Give me $10,000 or I'll tell your wife you're cheating on her".
 
2012-06-30 07:07:52 AM  

dobro: ThrobblefootSpectre: You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy.

Fark doesn't notify your neighbors or try to extort $200 to remove the photo. The Smoking Gun doesn't either. No hypocrisy.


Those people are also not identified by name, and Fark's purpose is generally to mock and ridicule them based on their appearance, not to extort money from them by reporting their arrest information amongst their neighbors.
 
2012-06-30 07:10:59 AM  

Aquapope: Suppose you were arrested for something, then released when the cops figured out you couldn't have done it. You were arrested, though. You end up on this douchebags's site and all of your neighbors think you did something ('he must have done something, why would they arrest him if he didn't')

But you show up on this assholes site, cuz'n you was arrested. But for the low low price of 200 bucks blackmail you can clear your name...


Extortion is alive and well in KC.
 
2012-06-30 07:16:35 AM  
My mug shot was posted on Fark for about nine minutes before a mod took it down. I was very unhappy.
 
2012-06-30 07:23:29 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: You know, considering that fark has a weekly mugshot roundup for reposting, photoshopping, and mocking people's arrest information, it's kinda hypocritical to use fark as forum to criticize this guy.


Republishing publicly available and non copyrighted information or documents is perfectly legal. The line that this guy is crossing is that he demands money from a target in exchange for not publishing that information.

If someone prints a bunch of flyers and canvases a neighbor hood informing them that one of their neighbors is a convicted child molester, it's perfectly legal as long as the information is completely truthful. And it happens all the time.
Approaching that child molester and telling him that's what your going to do unless he pay's you a bunch of cash would seem to be illegal in my clearly non-expert opinion.
 
2012-06-30 07:25:05 AM  

Grables'Daughter: My mug shot was posted on Fark for about nine minutes before a mod took it down. I was very unhappy.


Put it in your profile! Go on, you know you want to. ;-)
 
2012-06-30 07:34:57 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: smallerGov: No one on Fark extorts (asks) for money for said pictures to be removed.

So, as long as you don't give the person the option of making you stop, it's okay?


Man, too early for this...

Based on your OP, yes it is ok. You questioned if it was hypocritical to blast this guy on fark because fark does the same thing. I simply pointed out that what Fark community does and what this guy does is enormously different, soooo....NO, IT IS NOT HYPOCRITICAL!!....

who cares if what Fark does is 'ok'... you can't compare apples to extortion..
 
2012-06-30 07:40:27 AM  

BigBooper: Grables'Daughter: My mug shot was posted on Fark for about nine minutes before a mod took it down. I was very unhappy.

Put it in your profile! Go on, you know you want to. ;-)


I do not want to.
 
2012-06-30 07:45:26 AM  
His website, http://www.blabbermouthkc.com/, appears to be empty now.
How odd.
 
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