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(Daily Mail)   Most German students unaware of their warlike and murderous past, think Hitler was swell   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 245
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2012-06-29 08:34:45 PM
but what if it's good history?
 
2012-06-29 08:35:14 PM
This just in.

People are uncomfortable with the negative aspects of their past. Everyone gets to file into this line.

This is also interesting given the recent arguments on STEM/Liberal Arts and funding.
 
2012-06-29 08:37:36 PM
mods are asleep, post pictures of Hitler!

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-06-29 08:37:55 PM

SpikeStrip: but what if it's good history?


Well, i do have to say that people in the US have a warped, hyperbolic view of the Americas.
I envision people thinking theres a 16th century Spanish carrier task force with heavy bomber support, taking out 20 million in North and South America.


It seems that things like the unintentional virgin field epidemic of Smallpox and other diseases is starting to make its way into the public.
 
2012-06-29 08:39:13 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-29 08:41:15 PM
 
2012-06-29 08:51:17 PM
This doesn't really shock me all that much. Just last week I made a comment about Confederation* and one of my friends just gave me a blank stare.

Most people simply don't care about history. It was just some subject they suffered through during school.

*Confederation is when Canada became a country...kinda like someone not knowing about the declaration of independence
 
2012-06-29 08:59:38 PM
www.thinkingandmaking.com
 
2012-06-29 09:03:52 PM
The Mail complaining about ignorance?
 
2012-06-29 09:04:33 PM
Proven once again by study after study after study: Kids are dumb.
 
2012-06-29 09:07:41 PM

Tigger: The Mail complaining about ignorance?


i know right? that's the amusing part
 
2012-06-29 09:12:27 PM

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 449x226]


I.. What?
 
2012-06-29 09:14:05 PM
I can see how not knowing your own county's history could lead to a small fuhrer
 
2012-06-29 09:17:26 PM
I was gonna put this in the pony thread, but it's oddly appropriate here.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-29 09:20:05 PM

some_beer_drinker: mods are asleep, post pictures of Hitler!


WOO HOO!

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-29 09:20:05 PM
I had a grand uncle that told me Hitler was uncircumcised.
 
2012-06-29 09:22:57 PM

Godscrack: I had a grand uncle that told me Hitler was uncircumcised.


Was this first-hand knowledge?

/as it were
 
2012-06-29 09:25:47 PM
Isn't it illegal to even talk about Nazis in Germany?
 
2012-06-29 09:26:00 PM

SilentStrider: farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 449x226]

I.. What?


cdn.eurweb.com
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 
2012-06-29 09:27:04 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Godscrack: I had a grand uncle that told me Hitler was uncircumcised.

Was this first-hand knowledge?


Yes. Hitler actually taught my uncle how to tell how old a person was just by reading the rings around his a**hole.
 
2012-06-29 09:30:26 PM
I thought "The Story of My Life" would be required reading.
 
2012-06-29 09:35:02 PM

Godscrack: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Godscrack: I had a grand uncle that told me Hitler was uncircumcised.

Was this first-hand knowledge?

Yes. Hitler actually taught my uncle how to tell how old a person was just by reading the rings around his a**hole.


OK... that was a beer spray :)

/hehe... nice one
 
2012-06-29 09:40:55 PM
That's OK, most Americans think Oswald shot JFK. It's a great archetype example of how the totalitarian government who rules this planet partitions out information in such a way that we, the masses, are forced to base our conclusions on erroneous....oh, I'm sorry. Wrong meeting. I thought this was the meeting at the docks. That's tomorrow night.
 
2012-06-29 09:45:15 PM

miss diminutive: This doesn't really shock me all that much. Just last week I made a comment about Confederation* and one of my friends just gave me a blank stare.

Most people simply don't care about history. It was just some subject they suffered through during school.

*Confederation is when Canada became a country...kinda like someone not knowing about the declaration of independence


You are still subjects of the Queen of England, serf.
 
2012-06-29 09:54:26 PM

Darth_Lukecash: miss diminutive: This doesn't really shock me all that much. Just last week I made a comment about Confederation* and one of my friends just gave me a blank stare.

Most people simply don't care about history. It was just some subject they suffered through during school.

*Confederation is when Canada became a country...kinda like someone not knowing about the declaration of independence

You are still subjects of the Queen of England, serf.


We're too polite to tell her we don't need her anymore; we'll probably break it to her though a post-it note.
 
2012-06-29 10:04:16 PM

some_beer_drinker: mods are asleep, post pictures of Hitler!


i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-29 10:08:58 PM
Reading Mein Kampf was always a weird experience for me. Mixed in with the absolute filth of the racism are lots of ideas I can get behind. The dignity of work - all work; the necessity of living wages for all, no matter their social or educational background; the idea that everyone should do physical labor at least once in their lives; the idea that a rising tide raises all boats, as it were, and that the advantaged have a duty to give back... lots of things that bear up under the "Socialist" part of National Socialist.

And then there's this hateful, disgusting racial view and it blows it all to shiat.
 
2012-06-29 10:15:45 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Reading Mein Kampf was always a weird experience for me. Mixed in with the absolute filth of the racism are lots of ideas I can get behind. The dignity of work - all work; the necessity of living wages for all, no matter their social or educational background; the idea that everyone should do physical labor at least once in their lives; the idea that a rising tide raises all boats, as it were, and that the advantaged have a duty to give back... lots of things that bear up under the "Socialist" part of National Socialist.

And then there's this hateful, disgusting racial view and it blows it all to shiat.


Not comfortable with Mein Kampf?
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
Maybe you were just in the wrong chair?
 
2012-06-29 10:32:11 PM
The German exchange student we had for three months (he went home today) told us that HItler was horrible and everyone in Germany thinks that.
 
2012-06-29 10:34:45 PM

miss diminutive: Darth_Lukecash: miss diminutive: This doesn't really shock me all that much. Just last week I made a comment about Confederation* and one of my friends just gave me a blank stare.

Most people simply don't care about history. It was just some subject they suffered through during school.

*Confederation is when Canada became a country...kinda like someone not knowing about the declaration of independence

You are still subjects of the Queen of England, serf.

We're too polite to tell her we don't need her anymore; we'll probably break it to her though a post-it note.


I'll believe it when I see you replace her image on your currency with a moose.
 
2012-06-29 10:36:02 PM
They don't think Hitler was swell, they think Hitler was swole. Totally different.

2.bp.blogspot.com


/The sixth image in a GIS for buff hitler is Carrot Top
 
2012-06-29 10:39:48 PM
Meh.

How many American teenagers know about massacres in Cambodia and Laos, or the half a million children alone that died during the 90s in Iraq as a result of the no fly zone bombings?

People like to pretend genocide is a big deal when really they don't care.

/you'll get over it
 
2012-06-29 11:10:30 PM
I learned nothink... NOTHIIIIINK!
 
2012-06-29 11:32:14 PM
Ask the Japanese about their war-time horror acts and you'll get the same response, they don't teach it they don't want to pretend it existed.
 
2012-06-29 11:58:12 PM
I just watched The Wave this week. Pretty good flick. Those Germans are a sucker for order.
 
2012-06-30 01:29:23 AM

ozebb: Proven once again by study after study after study: Kids are dumb.


And they're not even American.

O.o
 
2012-06-30 01:31:37 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Reading Mein Kampf was always a weird experience for me. Mixed in with the absolute filth of the racism are lots of ideas I can get behind. The dignity of work - all work; the necessity of living wages for all, no matter their social or educational background; the idea that everyone should do physical labor at least once in their lives; the idea that a rising tide raises all boats, as it were, and that the advantaged have a duty to give back... lots of things that bear up under the "Socialist" part of National Socialist.

And then there's this hateful, disgusting racial view and it blows it all to shiat.


I feel the same way when I hear RON PAUL speak. He says some things than I can really get behind, then says something so off the wall I can't help but go O.o
 
2012-06-30 04:19:04 AM
Also: Most Goths are not knowledgeable about Gothic history.
 
2012-06-30 04:20:24 AM
Who cares? It's not like history repeats itself. Especially in Germany's case.
 
2012-06-30 04:21:48 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Reading Mein Kampf was always a weird experience for me. Mixed in with the absolute filth of the racism are lots of ideas I can get behind. The dignity of work - all work; the necessity of living wages for all, no matter their social or educational background; the idea that everyone should do physical labor at least once in their lives; the idea that a rising tide raises all boats, as it were, and that the advantaged have a duty to give back... lots of things that bear up under the "Socialist" part of National Socialist.

And then there's this hateful, disgusting racial view and it blows it all to shiat.


Of course Hitler had lots of ideas that were good from the standpoint of the working classes- he absolutely needed their support in order to gain power and keep it. He had seen the breakdown in Germany at the end of WW1 and wanted to do everything to keep that from happening in his German Reich. Wages were kept high, vacation time was generous, and there was still a large production of consumer goods until the last year or so of the war.
'Course, being a slave labourer in the Reich sucked, but Grofaz didn't worry too much about them folks.
 
2012-06-30 04:23:06 AM
Is this the Mail blowing things out of proportion as usual?

Yes, young people all around the world have a tendency to not give a crap about stuff that happened more than 20 years ago. But I was always under the impression that the Germans, as a whole, did not hide away from their countries past. Isn't it even an arrestable offence to use nazi images in public without good reason?
 
2012-06-30 04:25:33 AM
The sound of one hand clapping: Is this the Mail blowing things out of proportion as usual?

Yes, young people all around the world have a tendency to not give a crap about stuff that happened more than 20 years ago. But I was always under the impression that the Germans, as a whole, did not hide away from their countries past. Isn't it even an arrestable offence to use nazi images in public without good reason?


This.

Germany is the polar opposite of Japan. Japan wants to minimize it's role in atrocities in World War II, and the only shame from them is that they lost.
 
2012-06-30 04:33:58 AM

Virtuoso80: Also: Most Goths are not knowledgeable about Gothic history.


Most Vandals don't know a thing about the sacking of Rome.
 
2012-06-30 04:38:13 AM

The Repeated Meme: Meh.

How many American teenagers know about massacres in Cambodia and Laos, or the half a million children alone that died during the 90s in Iraq as a result of the no fly zone bombings?

People like to pretend genocide is a big deal when really they don't care.

/you'll get over it


To be fair, after generations of warfare bleeding off most of the adult male population, Iraq didn't have much besides 'children'. Not saying it was good, or even worthwhile, but under 18 was going to be 3 out of 4 dead in any situation involving Iraq.
 
2012-06-30 04:41:31 AM
the u.s. should apply some of germanys history by sytematically enslaving and then exterminating conservatives republicans. The cleansing affect would be refreshing.
 
2012-06-30 04:42:18 AM
More than 7,500 school pupils aged around 15 were asked how they viewed the various governments that have ruled Germany.

Found your problem there. 20th-century history units aren't until high school in the US either. Which is pretty standard, we tend to think of recent history as "more nuanced" or "advanced" because it's harder to pull off the usual "make shiat the fark up" method that makes older history a nice coherent story with definite heroes, villains, only a few causes for every event, etc. Not a lot of 15-year-olds that waste valuable screwing around time watching the HitlerHistory channel, either, I'd wager.

Well, I guess technically in the US we _can_ pull that shiat with WW2 since our involvement was, at least on its face, fairly simplistic even at the time (we're also often more comfortable casting ourselves as the villain than most nations, not that that's any less wrong than the other way around but it's easier). Germany doesn't have that luxury, though, what with elements of their infrastructure and legal system, etc dating all the way back to the Weimar republic.
 
2012-06-30 04:43:30 AM
Some things are best forgotten, and Germans are pros at doing just that.
 
2012-06-30 04:44:15 AM

BronyMedic:
This.

Germany is the polar opposite of Japan. Japan wants to minimize it's role in atrocities in World War II, and the only shame from them is that they lost.


Yea, having been in Germany for a while, most folks are well aware of their country's history. However, we are now four or more generations on from WWII and the world at large has been moving away from the idea of Original Sin and inherited guilt.
 
2012-06-30 04:45:12 AM
/looks at the Native Americans

/looks at European Americans

I don't think we have any room to talk about the sins of the past being forgotten.
 
2012-06-30 04:45:19 AM
it is clear that this was all set up by Bugs Bunny
 
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