I remember reading in the mid-90s that the wars of the future will be fought over water - it has yet to happen, but it still seems like it eventually will


Meanwhile in Arizona they will keep watering their lawns as much as possible. It's the ONLY place I've ever lived where water conservation was not a regularly discussed topic, and why should it be? Arizona gets all its water from other people.

Isn't it about even odds if the Colorado manages to reach the sea on a given day or not?

Nadie_AZ: MCBRIDE: Sure, and both Lake Mead and Lake Powell are dropping significantly. There are projections that they'll never fill again and that Lake Mead, I've heard projections that it may run dry sometime after 2020. And it - some look at this river as an engineering marvel, and it is in some ways. There are diversion canals that run 336 miles up through the Sonoran Desert to Phoenix and Tucson.

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Yeah, but that's short term drought. That's not the problem. The problem is the Western US uses water like the Eastern US, and for most of the US past 100W, it barely rains. Plus you grow monsoon crops.

Nadie_AZ: Now while I could be one, I doubt I am one.

No. No place in the world is as terrible with water as the Western US. Well, the Middle East, but they get a lot of their water from desalination. Not the same thing. You're pretty much at 100% capacity in the Southwest, with continuing growth. Yet you grow monsoon crops and create golf courses out of sagebrush, using rainwater. It's going to horribly self-destruct, and what's more, history says it's happened there before! You know why the Four Corners is so desolate? Because the native tribes in that area, usually called Anasazi - incorrectly I might add, did an equivalent to what is being done now. They wrecked the entire region and it still hasn't recovered.

Now imagine the entire state of Arizona, southern Nevada and southern California looking like that. That's the future of that region, and it's at best 20 years away.

*links sam kinison* MOVE WHERE THE WATER IS OH OH OHHHHHHHH

Happy Hours: I remember reading in the mid-90s that the wars of the future will be fought over water - it has yet to happen, but it still seems like it eventually will


Meanwhile in Arizona they will keep watering their lawns as much as possible. It's the ONLY place I've ever lived where water conservation was not a regularly discussed topic, and why should it be? Arizona gets all its water from other people.

For now.

I was amazed when I saw all the green lawns and golf courses flying into Phoenix...

And no, other states, you can't have our water. Not yours.

/Michigander
//Great Lakes Compact and 22% of the world's fresh water ftw

"coast to coast"? I don't the the Colorado affects me at all here on the East Coast.

Ridden multiple times: nss?

Our river systems are farked.
Drying up, damed up, polluted. farked.

/Colorado resident and river runner.

that is a big farking deal

Nadie_AZ: TDBoedy: *links sam kinison* MOVE WHERE THE WATER IS OH OH OHHHHHHHH

As much fun as it is, he's an idiot. Civilization in the West began in the desert.

When I threw a flat-rock into the Colorado it disappeared immediately...twice. ;)

reduced by 95 percent since the river was restricted by dams

hmm... dams, eh? 95%? that's a lot of percents. now, i like dams as much as the next guy, but maybe someone had a cunning plan that needed rethinking?

and Sam Kennison's Future Ghost is yelling at everyone who lives in Nevada and Arizona: GO TO WHERE THE WATER IS!

glad i invested in land in detroit. the great lakes will be the cradle of future civilization.

My sister and her family just got back from Hoover Dam..they said it's (water-level) super low.

'You live in the middle of a desert! Move to where the water is! Ah, AHHH!'

/or something like that
//pic is hot, like the river basin when you suck all the water out

We need to continue the battle against the gays getting rights and stop illegals from getting into this country before we can start discuss tackling less critical issues like the environment. There's a place and time for dealing with those sorts of issues, but in the middle of a crumby (but maybe slowly recovering) economy and in light of the fact that we're paying women to have sex who then go around mentioning their vaginas, that place and time is neither here nor now.

*Looks at illegal Deed/Treaty/Documentation for Squashbottoms to live here*
/Yup.
//It's all leagal.
///Until the rivers run dry. Or "as long as the rivers shall flow"

gtfo.

Send extermination squads to Las Vegas and Calfornia. Sorry guys, it's the only reasonable solution.

Water? Who needs it? I ride the bus.

Having been in Vegas since 1989, I've been watching Lake Mead get lower.. and lower.. But it's still there long after people like my dad (a former employee for the water authority) said it would be gone.

epoc_tnac: Water? Who needs it? I ride the bus.

Some people need water? You mean like from the toilet?

ThatBillmanGuy: But it's still there long after people like my dad (a former employee for the water authority) said it would be gone.

let it go

vodka
"coast to coast"? I don't the the Colorado affects me at all here on the East Coast.

To quote the "related story" linked in the article:


Near Mexico, the river basically produces the entire lettuce crop for the United States in the months of November and December, and all of the nation's carrots in January and February. "So whether you love the river and fish it and float it, or you've never been to it and you live on the East Coast, you actually eat Colorado River water,

I don't forsee any water problems any time soon.



Then again, I don't live in a farkin' desert.

RexTalionis: Maybe it wouldn't be so bad IF YOU WEREN'T PUMPING WATER FOR SYNCHRONIZED FOUNTAINS IN THE GODDAMN DESERT.



Yup.

Wait wait. You mean a desert region being fed from a river CAN'T sustain unchecked growth???

The Water Wars - 2142: Git Sum

fredklein: RexTalionis: Maybe it wouldn't be so bad IF YOU WEREN'T PUMPING WATER FOR SYNCHRONIZED FOUNTAINS IN THE GODDAMN DESERT.

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Yup.

They're victims of the desert and you should never blame a victim.

Seriously, Phoenix is an abomination. Nuke it and return it to hell. And yes, I live here.

We never hear about droughts or saving water and we have tons and tons of golf courses and green lawns. All you assholes who come here for golf? Yeah, you're part of the problem too.

I am partial to LA and California, but in California the farmers are responsible for the most wasted water. (Mainly because they use the vast percentage of water.)

Nadie_AZ: MCBRIDE: Sure, and both Lake Mead and Lake Powell are dropping significantly. There are projections that they'll never fill again and that Lake Mead, I've heard projections that it may run dry sometime after 2020. And it - some look at this river as an engineering marvel, and it is in some ways. There are diversion canals that run 336 miles up through the Sonoran Desert to Phoenix and Tucson.

[droughtmonitor.unl.edu image 640x477]

[lakemead.water-data.com image 640x280]

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Market go up. Market go down.

larrycot: Cadillac Desert

I wish they would release the PBS documentary on DVD. Even as old as it and the book are, they ring true.

"And if you've ever felt the cool relief of air conditioning in Las Vegas, there's a good chance the electricity was provided by the "mighty Colorado."

All the power generated by the dam goes to Los Angeles. The casinos have their own power plants and the rest of us suffer in the heat. NV Energy has killed more small businesses here with high power prices than Hurricane Katrina and the 2010 Tennessee floods combined.

fredklein: RexTalionis: Maybe it wouldn't be so bad IF YOU WEREN'T PUMPING WATER FOR SYNCHRONIZED FOUNTAINS IN THE GODDAMN DESERT.

[www.gothereguide.com image 467x350]

Yup.

I used to work there. All of that is recycled grey water. Don't let any get on you.