Corvus: Even Nevada which they don't like to spend shiat on public stuff has pretty modernized libraries. I think CA's are much better but theirs are ok.

Not all fly-over or Red States are educational wastelands. Some highly value education. Heck, when I was stationed in rural SW Oklahoma in the early 90's my son attended the local county high school...with 212 kids in K-12. Need calculus? No problem. The University of Oklahoma piped it in to all the tiny farm schools over a rented cable channel.

Hey Gov Jindal, remember this movie line? "See the sad thing about a guy like you, is in about 50 years you're gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you're gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One, don't do that. And two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a farkin' education you coulda' got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library."

BTW, that volcano monitoring thing still sends me into a rage. Mt. St. Helens erupted only 32 years ago, have people really forgotten that quickly?

/living wild on the Ring of Fire

Skywolf Philosopher: Corvus: DeltaPunch: Part of me thinks at some point down the road this will be inevitable. We're doing everything online now*, books, teaching, etc. But the only excuse for not funding libraries is that you've implemented hi-tech computer centers throughout the state for learning, reading e-books, etc. I hardly think Louisiana is that far along, and is actually just doing this because of failed conservative politics.

*Or is that just me? *ahem*

They have. They call them"Libraries".

They have computers and e-books you can down load on line. At least in my state they do.

I live in Arkansas and my library has a great wireless network and laptops and kindles that can be borrowed.

Where in Arkansas? I live in ft. Smith and I'm not even sure a have a library...

Boudica's War Tampon: I bet B. Piyush Jindal expands funding for state-funded madrasas. You know, because he's a Muslin. A secret Muslin. The worst kind of Muslin.

That talk might be poplin where you're from, but I don't cotton to that mockado!

"Whew. Tough work pissing on the poor and dismantling infrastructure. Who needs libraries when we have FOXNEWS?"
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Epoch_Zero: We make satirical pictures overstating and mocking conservatives, and then they go and make them law. Irony is so abused.


It's not just American conservatism that's like this. You have to remember that any movement which invokes nationalism, paranoia, and base emotion usually finds the following things wholly unacceptable:

1. The arts.
2. The free press.
3. Higher education.

You know, the kinds of things that lead to people rejecting the stupidity of conservatism altogether,

It's not just you, that's actually the rationale for shutting down libraries in many places--and the REASON for doing so, since so many people aren't going to libraries any more.

Funny, my husband works in our library and they see over 1,000 people a day, in a town of 32,000 people. Maybe you are generalizing: you don't go, so no-one goes.

Gyrfalcon: platedlizard: BTW, that volcano monitoring thing still sends me into a rage. Mt. St. Helens erupted only 32 years ago, have people really forgotten that quickly?

/living wild on the Ring of Fire

Oh, that was a LONG TIME AGO, plus it was a random chance, plus there aren't any other active volcanoes in America, plus the next volcano due to blow is Mammoth, and I want to see that happen, so don't blow it for me.

Shush you, I wanna see Mt. Rainier go.

NotARocketScientist: It's not just you, that's actually the rationale for shutting down libraries in many places--and the REASON for doing so, since so many people aren't going to libraries any more.

Funny, my husband works in our library and they see over 1,000 people a day, in a town of 32,000 people. Maybe you are generalizing: you don't go, so no-one goes.


Yeah, every time I go to our local library it's hard to find parking spots and there are lines of people at the check out. Computer time is limited to 2 hr slots to ensure everyone has access, and even so there is usually a line for them, too.

WAR ON TOFU!

platedlizard: Gyrfalcon: platedlizard: BTW, that volcano monitoring thing still sends me into a rage. Mt. St. Helens erupted only 32 years ago, have people really forgotten that quickly?

/living wild on the Ring of Fire

Oh, that was a LONG TIME AGO, plus it was a random chance, plus there aren't any other active volcanoes in America, plus the next volcano due to blow is Mammoth, and I want to see that happen, so don't blow it for me.

Shush you, I wanna see Mt. Rainier go.

My wife is absolutely terrified of that thing. She calls it "The Volcano" rather than Mr. Rainier.

We just added earthquake insurance to the house, as I'm terrified of the Cascadia subduction zone, which doesn't get the kind of press it should.

pisceandreamer: In tight budget times, we prioritized funding for healthcare and education.

Jindal already said he refuses to comply with the ACA, which comes with federal money, so I'd really love to see what he calls healthcare spending.

He's going to hate the fact that if the state doesn't do anything about exchanges (and the ACA survives past 2012), the federal government comes in and sets up the exchanges themselves.

Would be worth it to see his head asplode after that happens. :)

Getting rid of libraries is a fantastic idea for Repugnantcans, and an extension of their assaults on education. The only way they can maintain a majority is to keep the populace really farking dumb. And it's working.

But speaking as a (sort of) librarian (have the degree, but a paraprofessional library job), I hope Jindal farking croaks.

mmagdalene: Bobby Jindal = GOP house Negro

I thought that post was held by Allen West.

Rent Party: platedlizard: Gyrfalcon: platedlizard: BTW, that volcano monitoring thing still sends me into a rage. Mt. St. Helens erupted only 32 years ago, have people really forgotten that quickly?

/living wild on the Ring of Fire

Oh, that was a LONG TIME AGO, plus it was a random chance, plus there aren't any other active volcanoes in America, plus the next volcano due to blow is Mammoth, and I want to see that happen, so don't blow it for me.

Shush you, I wanna see Mt. Rainier go.

My wife is absolutely terrified of that thing. She calls it "The Volcano" rather than Mr. Rainier.

We just added earthquake insurance to the house, as I'm terrified of the Cascadia subduction zone, which doesn't get the kind of press it should.

Cascadia is a sleeping monster, when it goes it will be as big as the Japan earthquake and tsunami. And our earthquake infrastructure is nowhere near as good as Japan's.

Fun fact! The main danger from Mt. Rainier are lahars, which can be triggered by either eruptions or earthquakes. You don't even need an eruption to cause one! and when it goes 200,000 people will have maybe 30 minutes to evacuate or get buried under a mudslide with the approximate consistency of liquid concrete.

In other words, the Cascadia quake could end up triggering a lahar at Mt. Rainier.

I would not live between that mountain and the ocean for anything.

Aren't libraries where poor, out-of-work people go to use the internet? You know, so they can post their resumes to potential employers and maybe get a job?

Yea, let's shut those places down.

Corvus: Skywolf Philosopher: Corvus: DeltaPunch: Part of me thinks at some point down the road this will be inevitable. We're doing everything online now*, books, teaching, etc. But the only excuse for not funding libraries is that you've implemented hi-tech computer centers throughout the state for learning, reading e-books, etc. I hardly think Louisiana is that far along, and is actually just doing this because of failed conservative politics.

*Or is that just me? *ahem*

They have. They call them"Libraries".

They have computers and e-books you can down load on line. At least in my state they do.

I live in Arkansas and my library has a great wireless network and laptops and kindles that can be borrowed.

I am not surprised. Most people on FARK when they talk about libraries seem like they haven't stepped inside one for the last 20 years.

Actually, libraries are still important--paper-and-ink books have a lot of main advantages. For example, on days when I'm more likely to have a migraine, I can read a book instead of going on Fark. It's less likely to end painfully. Also, I can read without any electricity.

/Love libraries
//Don't check anything out because I'm too sporadic to return them, but still love 'em
///And try getting a copy of the Hunger Games from a library after the movie came out...

I'm sure the invisible hand of the free, unregulated market will fill the gap, sporting slight changes. Like instead of renting the books for free, you get to pay the market value (whatever they say it is). See? Totally profitable...er, I mean solved.

The town just south of my house shot down a $10 million bond to build a library. This town has fewer than10,000 people in it and there's a county branch library less than a half-mile away.

Thats an 827: Stanford Ushers In The Age Of Bookless Libraries

The databases those students are using can cost tens of thousands of dollars, each.

Libraries need a new business model. They should really just be small-scale free internet cafes with community center-style events.

platedlizard:
Cascadia is a sleeping monster, when it goes it will be as big as the Japan earthquake and tsunami. And our earthquake infrastructure is nowhere near as good as Japan's.

Fun fact! The main danger from Mt. Rainier are lahars, which can be triggered by either eruptions or earthquakes. You don't even need an eruption to cause one! and when it goes 200,000 people will have maybe 30 minutes to evacuate or get buried under a mudslide with the approximate consistency of liquid concrete.

In other words, the Cascadia quake could end up triggering a lahar at Mt. Rainier.

I would not live between that mountain and the ocean for anything.

Indeed. One of the things I do to calm the wife down is keep a copy of the USGS lahar map for the mountain around, so she can see we don't live in the path of one of those things. We live on a hillside over looking a lake, though, so if the Cascadia zone ever slips big time, there's a good chance we could have accidental waterfront property. Hence the new coverage.

I have a ton of family that lives in Orting, Sumner, and Puyallup, and I worry about them. I don't know about their coverage, though.

The Orting bakery (delicious) sells "lahar cookies." They're sugar cookies half dipped in chocolate. :D

pxsteel: rebelyell2006: FTFA: In tight budget times, we prioritized funding for healthcare and education.

Libraries are a part of education. What sort of idiots voted for this retard?

No, libraries were a part of education, in a bygone era. We have a brand new library in my suburb, gorgeous architecture. When you drive by, it is a really interesting and pretty building. I don't think I have ever seen more than two cars in the parking lot at any given time.

Library usage very much varies with age.

I know a lot of couples with young kids that heavily use libraries. They go there once or twice a week to have their kids pick out a few books. Their kids go through so many books that it's a lot cheaper than buying them.

And retired people on fixed incomes are big library users because it's an expense they can eliminate from their budget.

I think that as more libraries get e-books, library usage will actually increase. While it may be fewer people using the physical infrastructure, money will be needed to buy the e-books.

HellRaisingHoosier: I've decided I may turn to the dark side. I mean, if this country is going to go down the shiatter, I might as well make a buck off the tools that are doing it.

Here is my master plan:

Step 1) Join a church. Pay huge donations to be listed as a member but never actually go.

Step 2) Sell "I Love God/Jesus" & "Obama is a Commie/Socialist" & "2nd Amendment protected" tshirts, pins and stickers.

Step 3) With my money, run as a Republican in a Midwestern or Southern State

Step 4) Once elected sell off Local/State assets to the highest bidder

Step 5) Enjoy every sin imaginable under the guise of being for "family values"


Ta da!

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I thinkn you forgot

Step 6) Become a lobbyist.

I just thank God every day that we've got a state librarian with the balls (metaphorically speaking) to stand up to Brownback, or he'd probably try the same thing.

This is the GOP Utopia... you pay your income taxes, and they don't waste them on frilly crap like science, libraries, or healthcare... no sir, every dime will go to subsidizing deserving corporations that are the heart of our economy, so fark you, work harder, your boss needs a new Mercedes.

OddLlama: Skywolf Philosopher: Corvus: DeltaPunch: Part of me thinks at some point down the road this will be inevitable. We're doing everything online now*, books, teaching, etc. But the only excuse for not funding libraries is that you've implemented hi-tech computer centers throughout the state for learning, reading e-books, etc. I hardly think Louisiana is that far along, and is actually just doing this because of failed conservative politics.

*Or is that just me? *ahem*

They have. They call them"Libraries".

They have computers and e-books you can down load on line. At least in my state they do.

I live in Arkansas and my library has a great wireless network and laptops and kindles that can be borrowed.

Where in Arkansas? I live in ft. Smith and I'm not even sure a have a library...

Looks like you've got four branches, plus UA-Ft. Smith will accept a public library card.

Scythed: Libraries need a new business model.

They aren't businesses you twit. They're a public service.
And for most people, they already 'are' free internet cafes with community service events.

rugman11: OddLlama: Skywolf Philosopher: Corvus: DeltaPunch: Part of me thinks at some point down the road this will be inevitable. We're doing everything online now*, books, teaching, etc. But the only excuse for not funding libraries is that you've implemented hi-tech computer centers throughout the state for learning, reading e-books, etc. I hardly think Louisiana is that far along, and is actually just doing this because of failed conservative politics.

*Or is that just me? *ahem*

They have. They call them"Libraries".

They have computers and e-books you can down load on line. At least in my state they do.

I live in Arkansas and my library has a great wireless network and laptops and kindles that can be borrowed.

Where in Arkansas? I live in ft. Smith and I'm not even sure a have a library...

Looks like you've got four branches, plus UA-Ft. Smith will accept a public library card.

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Haven't you learned anything from the healthcare threads? Fark is no place for facts.

mmagdalene: StoneColdAtheist: mmagdalene: Bobby Jindal = GOP house Negro

I thought that post was held by Allen West.

Strictly yard Negro.

Ouch... ;^)

Rent Party: platedlizard:
Cascadia is a sleeping monster, when it goes it will be as big as the Japan earthquake and tsunami. And our earthquake infrastructure is nowhere near as good as Japan's.

Fun fact! The main danger from Mt. Rainier are lahars, which can be triggered by either eruptions or earthquakes. You don't even need an eruption to cause one! and when it goes 200,000 people will have maybe 30 minutes to evacuate or get buried under a mudslide with the approximate consistency of liquid concrete.

In other words, the Cascadia quake could end up triggering a lahar at Mt. Rainier.

I would not live between that mountain and the ocean for anything.

Indeed. One of the things I do to calm the wife down is keep a copy of the USGS lahar map for the mountain around, so she can see we don't live in the path of one of those things. We live on a hillside over looking a lake, though, so if the Cascadia zone ever slips big time, there's a good chance we could have accidental waterfront property. Hence the new coverage.

I have a ton of family that lives in Orting, Sumner, and Puyallup, and I worry about them. I don't know about their coverage, though.

The Orting bakery (delicious) sells "lahar cookies." They're sugar cookies half dipped in chocolate. :D

As someone who lives south of Sumner and North of Orting - I have an auto triggered EAS radio next to my bed. Every once in a blue moon, they'll trigger a lahar 'test' at 9am on a Sunday. Usually by end of the tone, I already have my shoes on . . .

/practices evacuating twice a year
//one in a car, one on foot.

MrSteve007:
As someone who lives south of Sumner and North of Orting - I have an auto triggered EAS radio next to my bed. Every once in a blue moon, they'll trigger a lahar 'test' at 9am on a Sunday. Usually by end of the tone, I already have my shoes on . . .

/practices evacuating twice a year
//one in a car, one on foot.

Just out of curiosity, where do you go on foot? I'm assuming you're down there in Alderton?

As the husband of an archivist/library page/MA in Library Science recipient: fark you, Governor Jindal. fark you and your bullshiat VP posturing.

DeltaPunch: Part of me thinks at some point down the road this will be inevitable. We're doing everything online now*, books, teaching, etc. But the only excuse for not funding libraries is that you've implemented hi-tech computer centers throughout the state for learning, reading e-books, etc. I hardly think Louisiana is that far along, and is actually just doing this because of failed conservative politics.

*Or is that just me? *ahem*

It's not is just you, but that's only part of the story. The income disparity in North America is incredible. Being online insulates us from the daily life of the people with no computer access or literacy, and they really are common in urban areas.

Also, libraries serve all sorts of purposes as public space, such as air conditioned zones for people who can't afford it, and places for people to meet without paying for it. There is no online equivalent to a library - only archives. As for you: you must have the money to buy a coffee every time you want to meet a friend in person, and the expense of buying food or drink for your kids, in private spaces like restaurants.

It is a class difference that determines access to this stuff.

Makes me long of the days of the Robber Barons, when Andrew Carnegie actually built free libraries all over the country and the world, because it was good for mankind.

Cinaed: ... Are you farking kidding me?

I await the slow leech of any and all business that expect to hire halfway intelligent people from Louisiana

I'm waiting for some smart guy in one of the blue state legislatures to propose a law requiring that people from red states pay a higher out-of-state tuition at state schools due to the increased cost of repairing the deficiencies in their education.

And I'm expecting him to have a study to back up the claim.

mmagdalene: StoneColdAtheist: mmagdalene: Bobby Jindal = GOP house Negro

I thought that post was held by Allen West.

Strictly yard Negro.

He pulled it off the Brady Bunch. What even Bobby Jindahl himself doesn't realize is he chose Bobby Brady because he is the reincarnation of Bobby Kennedy. Yeah yeah you don't believe me RFK was a liberal blah blah blah. That's what growing up in Louisiana will do to you. BTW in Bobby Kennedy's lifetime, abortion was a crime in all 50 states and a sin by the Catholic Church. We do have people still living in 1968 in 2012.