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2012-06-29 03:44:17 PM
Rmoney wants to repeal the ACA on Day One. Except for there being a new Congress that has to write and pass such a bill in the first place and all.
 
2012-06-29 03:47:06 PM
Does Novemeber come after Smarch?
 
2012-06-29 03:49:57 PM

phlegmmo: Does Novemeber come after Smarch?


Ha!
 
2012-06-29 03:50:51 PM
And after November, the Republicans will be begging states not to fully implement ACA until *shakes magic 8 ball*. . . .
 
2012-06-29 03:53:29 PM
Is it possible that some folks agree with Obama's immigration policy while disagreeing with the way he implemented (by royal fiat) and also don't 100% hate ACA but do have some issues with the details?

In other words are there any moderates in the US? Does everyone have to choose to suck either Obama's or Romney's dick?
 
2012-06-29 04:01:48 PM

Happy Hours: Is it possible that some folks agree with Obama's immigration policy while disagreeing with the way he implemented (by royal fiat) and also don't 100% hate ACA but do have some issues with the details?

In other words are there any moderates in the US? Does everyone have to choose to suck either Obama's or Romney's dick?


Moderates="people who think like me". Always. Most people self-identify as moderate. The Thomas Friedman pundit fallacy is entirely based on this concept.

It's also possible to not be incredibly worried about how Obama chose to enforce immigration without sucking his dick.
 
2012-06-29 04:02:28 PM

Happy Hours: Is it possible that some folks agree with Obama's immigration policy while disagreeing with the way he implemented (by royal fiat) and also don't 100% hate ACA but do have some issues with the details?

In other words are there any moderates in the US? Does everyone have to choose to suck either Obama's or Romney's dick?


Lots of people; problem is, if you wait for any sort of perfection you'll get nothing. The Republicans haven't exactly been falling all over themselves to improve America.
 
2012-06-29 04:03:01 PM

Happy Hours: Is it possible that some folks agree with Obama's immigration policy while disagreeing with the way he implemented (by royal fiat) and also don't 100% hate ACA but do have some issues with the details?

In other words are there any moderates in the US? Does everyone have to choose to suck either Obama's or Romney's dick?


This is less to do with choosing a dick to suck, and more with choosing to say "fark you Obama, your law which passed constitutional muster is nonetheless illegal because it has your name all over it, and we hate you, so we're not doing what we're supposed to do because of this."
 
2012-06-29 04:08:46 PM

phlegmmo: Does Novemeber come after Smarch?


Heh!
 
2012-06-29 04:12:14 PM
It's kinda like how Arizona wanted to go all defending itself against illegal immigration with state's rights BS, but then we pass a bill that allows for medical weed and Brewer was trying to get the Feds to stop it.
 
2012-06-29 04:12:47 PM
These assholes are fighting awfully hard to keep millions of Americans from getting affordable health care.

Once again, the GOP has shown that it truly doesn't give a damn about people.
 
2012-06-29 04:14:06 PM

Lorelle: These assholes are fighting awfully hard to keep millions of Americans from getting affordable health care.

Once again, the GOP has shown that it truly doesn't give a damn about people.


Not true; they deeply care about themselves.
 
2012-06-29 04:20:02 PM

St_Francis_P: Not true; they deeply care about themselves.


And corporations. And as we all know, the SC ruled that corporations are people.

I take back my previous post.
 
2012-06-29 04:22:53 PM

Lorelle: Once again, the GOP has shown that it truly doesn't give a damn about people.


Or the Rule of Law.

"While the court said it was legal, that doesn't make it right," Walker said at a news conference, according to a local Fox News affiliate.
 
2012-06-29 04:23:49 PM

themindiswatching: Rmoney wants to repeal the ACA on Day One. Except for there being a new Congress that has to write and pass such a bill in the first place and all.


Well, Day 1 for a president (January 20) is Day 18 for Congress (which begins their session on January 3).
 
2012-06-29 04:24:29 PM

St_Francis_P: Lorelle: These assholes are fighting awfully hard to keep millions of Americans from getting affordable health care.

Once again, the GOP has shown that it truly doesn't give a damn about people.

Not true; they deeply care about themselves.


If only they were selfish and not ignorant. You would think the party of personal responsibility would want individuals to pay for their own insurance.
 
2012-06-29 04:26:09 PM

mrshowrules: St_Francis_P: Lorelle: These assholes are fighting awfully hard to keep millions of Americans from getting affordable health care.

Once again, the GOP has shown that it truly doesn't give a damn about people.

Not true; they deeply care about themselves.

If only they were selfish and not ignorant. You would think the party of personal responsibility would want individuals to pay for their own insurance.


They need to keep being reminded over and over again that 4 years ago, this was their plan

/that should be the only response to their hysteria
//along with a heart-felt STFU
 
2012-06-29 04:36:04 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: mrshowrules: St_Francis_P: Lorelle: These assholes are fighting awfully hard to keep millions of Americans from getting affordable health care.

Once again, the GOP has shown that it truly doesn't give a damn about people.

Not true; they deeply care about themselves.

If only they were selfish and not ignorant. You would think the party of personal responsibility would want individuals to pay for their own insurance.

They need to keep being reminded over and over again that 4 years ago, this was their plan

/that should be the only response to their hysteria
//along with a heart-felt STFU


Have you seen the new clips dug up of Romney saying that Romneycare should be done on the Federal level and commending Obama for pursuing this. I shiat you not. Some other Farker just posted the links?
 
2012-06-29 04:37:32 PM
Courtesy of Jackpot777

Link
 
2012-06-29 04:42:19 PM

BSABSVR: Happy Hours: Is it possible that some folks agree with Obama's immigration policy while disagreeing with the way he implemented (by royal fiat) and also don't 100% hate ACA but do have some issues with the details?

In other words are there any moderates in the US? Does everyone have to choose to suck either Obama's or Romney's dick?

Moderates="people who think like me". Always. Most people self-identify as moderate. The Thomas Friedman pundit fallacy is entirely based on this concept.


Well, that's a fair point. Elect me president because I'm a reasonable person (according to me.)

It's also possible to not be incredibly worried about how Obama chose to enforce immigration without sucking his dick.

I'm not really sure. I actually think what Obama said about NOT enforcing immigration law for a narrow segment of illegal immigrants (those whose parents brought them here under 16, don't have any criminal record, have lived here more than 5 years, etc...) was a pretty good idea. IMO it's fair and reasonable, BUT he just decided to do it all on his own. It's a very bad precedent IMO. Granted, he's not the first President who thought he could act like a dictator, but the past is past. Some folks like to trot out the picture of Reagan signing the amnesty bill for illegal immigrants over 25 years ago - BUT he was signing a bill that Congress enacted and not just saying "Hey. I'm President - It's sort of like KING - what I say goes!"
 
2012-06-29 04:44:01 PM

mrshowrules: Courtesy of Jackpot777

Link


That's priceless.
 
2012-06-29 04:46:14 PM

Happy Hours: BSABSVR: Happy Hours: Is it possible that some folks agree with Obama's immigration policy while disagreeing with the way he implemented (by royal fiat) and also don't 100% hate ACA but do have some issues with the details?

In other words are there any moderates in the US? Does everyone have to choose to suck either Obama's or Romney's dick?

Moderates="people who think like me". Always. Most people self-identify as moderate. The Thomas Friedman pundit fallacy is entirely based on this concept.

Well, that's a fair point. Elect me president because I'm a reasonable person (according to me.)

It's also possible to not be incredibly worried about how Obama chose to enforce immigration without sucking his dick.

I'm not really sure. I actually think what Obama said about NOT enforcing immigration law for a narrow segment of illegal immigrants (those whose parents brought them here under 16, don't have any criminal record, have lived here more than 5 years, etc...) was a pretty good idea. IMO it's fair and reasonable, BUT he just decided to do it all on his own. It's a very bad precedent IMO. Granted, he's not the first President who thought he could act like a dictator, but the past is past. Some folks like to trot out the picture of Reagan signing the amnesty bill for illegal immigrants over 25 years ago - BUT he was signing a bill that Congress enacted and not just saying "Hey. I'm President - It's sort of like KING - what I say goes!"


The AZ ruling from SCOTUS this week pointed out that it is up to the Executive branch to decide if someone needs to be removed from the country.
 
2012-06-29 04:50:35 PM

mrshowrules: Courtesy of Jackpot777

Link


LOL
 
2012-06-29 04:53:25 PM

James!: The AZ ruling from SCOTUS this week pointed out that it is up to the Executive branch to decide if someone needs to be removed from the country.


Uh, no - that's not what SCOTUS said at all. They did say it's not up to the states. They didn't say the Executive Branch can just make shiat up as they go along.
 
2012-06-29 04:54:47 PM

eraser8: themindiswatching: Rmoney wants to repeal the ACA on Day One. Except for there being a new Congress that has to write and pass such a bill in the first place and all.

Well, Day 1 for a president (January 20) is Day 18 for Congress (which begins their session on January 3).


Oh right, forgot about that. I imagine the Democrats will fillibuster the repeal to death though.

/assuming the Republicans don't get rid of the filibuster altogether.
 
2012-06-29 04:58:48 PM

Happy Hours: BSABSVR: Happy Hours: Is it possible that some folks agree with Obama's immigration policy while disagreeing with the way he implemented (by royal fiat) and also don't 100% hate ACA but do have some issues with the details?

In other words are there any moderates in the US? Does everyone have to choose to suck either Obama's or Romney's dick?

Moderates="people who think like me". Always. Most people self-identify as moderate. The Thomas Friedman pundit fallacy is entirely based on this concept.

Well, that's a fair point. Elect me president because I'm a reasonable person (according to me.)

It's also possible to not be incredibly worried about how Obama chose to enforce immigration without sucking his dick.

I'm not really sure. I actually think what Obama said about NOT enforcing immigration law for a narrow segment of illegal immigrants (those whose parents brought them here under 16, don't have any criminal record, have lived here more than 5 years, etc...) was a pretty good idea. IMO it's fair and reasonable, BUT he just decided to do it all on his own. It's a very bad precedent IMO. Granted, he's not the first President who thought he could act like a dictator, but the past is past. Some folks like to trot out the picture of Reagan signing the amnesty bill for illegal immigrants over 25 years ago - BUT he was signing a bill that Congress enacted and not just saying "Hey. I'm President - It's sort of like KING - what I say goes!"


It's not even amnesty though. The Reagan Justice Dept stepped up porn prosecutions. Bush II did the same.

It's not like we were successfully deporting every illegal immigrant and Obama said to stop. He drew an arbitrary line. Given that enforcement has to stop somewhere, that line has always existed anyway. He just clarified it and made it semi official.

He's doing the same thing with MMJ shops which is causing less of a furor.
 
2012-06-29 05:09:38 PM

Happy Hours: James!: The AZ ruling from SCOTUS this week pointed out that it is up to the Executive branch to decide if someone needs to be removed from the country.

Uh, no - that's not what SCOTUS said at all. They did say it's not up to the states. They didn't say the Executive Branch can just make shiat up as they go along.


You should read the ruling. You don't even have to read far.

"Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all."

Starts one page farking one.
 
2012-06-29 05:10:27 PM

BSABSVR: Happy Hours: BSABSVR: Happy Hours: Is it possible that some folks agree with Obama's immigration policy while disagreeing with the way he implemented (by royal fiat) and also don't 100% hate ACA but do have some issues with the details?

In other words are there any moderates in the US? Does everyone have to choose to suck either Obama's or Romney's dick?

Moderates="people who think like me". Always. Most people self-identify as moderate. The Thomas Friedman pundit fallacy is entirely based on this concept.

Well, that's a fair point. Elect me president because I'm a reasonable person (according to me.)

It's also possible to not be incredibly worried about how Obama chose to enforce immigration without sucking his dick.

I'm not really sure. I actually think what Obama said about NOT enforcing immigration law for a narrow segment of illegal immigrants (those whose parents brought them here under 16, don't have any criminal record, have lived here more than 5 years, etc...) was a pretty good idea. IMO it's fair and reasonable, BUT he just decided to do it all on his own. It's a very bad precedent IMO. Granted, he's not the first President who thought he could act like a dictator, but the past is past. Some folks like to trot out the picture of Reagan signing the amnesty bill for illegal immigrants over 25 years ago - BUT he was signing a bill that Congress enacted and not just saying "Hey. I'm President - It's sort of like KING - what I say goes!"

It's not even amnesty though. The Reagan Justice Dept stepped up porn prosecutions. Bush II did the same.


What do porn prosecutions under Reagan have to do with our current president?

It's not like we were successfully deporting every illegal immigrant and Obama said to stop. He drew an arbitrary line.

Exactly - he just unilaterally decided this part of the law doesn't get enforced. While I don't really have a problem with where he drew that line, it's a clear violation of the balance of powers.

Given that enforcement has to stop somewhere, that line has always existed anyway. He just clarified it and made it semi official.

He's doing the same thing with MMJ shops which is causing less of a furor.


lolwut?

Oh, and BTW, he didn't exactly just say he's okay with illegal immigrants who are following state laws nor did he make as big a deal about saying he wouldn't bust medical marijuana dispensaries as he did about granting amnesty to certain illegal immigrants who met certain qualifications.
 
2012-06-29 05:47:13 PM

Happy Hours: What do porn prosecutions under Reagan have to do with our current president?


The current president is not the first president to either ramp up and or ramp down prosecution of specific laws, claiming that he is is disingenuous. at best.

Happy Hours: lolwut?


A google search? really? How about a fact. If Obama chose to, they could roll through CO and bust every dispensary in sight. They are busting more in CA, but They are not attempting to put the industry out of business. They are in fact being selective, just like they are with the deportation.

/A farking google search.
//Teach me to assume you are arguing honestly
 
2012-06-29 08:02:07 PM

BSABSVR: Happy Hours: What do porn prosecutions under Reagan have to do with our current president?

The current president is not the first president to either ramp up and or ramp down prosecution of specific laws, claiming that he is is disingenuous. at best.

Happy Hours: lolwut?

A google search? really? How about a fact. If Obama chose to, they could roll through CO and bust every dispensary in sight. They are busting more in CA, but They are not attempting to put the industry out of business. They are in fact being selective, just like they are with the deportation.

/A farking google search.
//Teach me to assume you are arguing honestly


Seriously? Arguing honestly?

A Republican?

It is for to laugh. You damn well know better.
 
2012-06-29 10:02:43 PM
Obama sidestepped the DREAM act. Crickets chirping from the left.

Romney will sidestep Obamacare. Liberals will scream bloody murder
 
2012-06-29 10:26:36 PM

EnviroDude: Obama sidestepped the DREAM act. Crickets chirping from the left.

Romney will sidestep Obamacare. Liberals will scream bloody murder


By "Sidestepping" you mean asked Congress to pass it?
 
2012-06-30 07:20:57 AM

vygramul: EnviroDude: Obama sidestepped the DREAM act. Crickets chirping from the left.

Romney will sidestep Obamacare. Liberals will scream bloody murder

By "Sidestepping" you mean asked Congress to pass it?


Congress didn't pass it, Obama signs an executive order. tada
 
2012-06-30 08:00:27 AM

vygramul: EnviroDude: Obama sidestepped the DREAM act. Crickets chirping from the left.

Romney will sidestep Obamacare. Liberals will scream bloody murder

By "Sidestepping" you mean asked Congress to pass it?


His support poisoned the waters. If'n he's fer it, they's ag'in it!
 
2012-06-30 08:08:27 AM

EnviroDude: vygramul: EnviroDude: Obama sidestepped the DREAM act. Crickets chirping from the left.

Romney will sidestep Obamacare. Liberals will scream bloody murder

By "Sidestepping" you mean asked Congress to pass it?

Congress didn't pass it, Obama signs an executive order. tada


Except the EO did not implement DREAM, just the parts the president can do, which is not much. Just like he said a couple of years ago.
 
2012-06-30 08:09:41 AM

hubiestubert: If'n he's fer it, they's ag'in it!


Since this is generally the case, I wonder just how many heads would explode if President Obama came out and said, "I think Mitt Romney would make an excellent president, and I'm going to vote for him."

;)
 
2012-06-30 08:14:09 AM

vygramul: Except the EO did not implement DREAM, just the parts the president can do, which is not much. Just like he said a couple of years ago.


Granting amnesty to a million people is more than "not much".
 
2012-06-30 08:23:35 AM

mamoru: hubiestubert: If'n he's fer it, they's ag'in it!

Since this is generally the case, I wonder just how many heads would explode if President Obama came out and said, "I think Mitt Romney would make an excellent president, and I'm going to vote for him."

;)


In fairness, it would be classy of him, since Romney's produced the best campaign ads for Obama so far...
 
2012-06-30 08:31:52 AM

BSABSVR: Happy Hours: What do porn prosecutions under Reagan have to do with our current president?

The current president is not the first president to either ramp up and or ramp down prosecution of specific laws, claiming that he is is disingenuous. at best.

Happy Hours: lolwut?

A google search? really? How about a fact. If Obama chose to, they could roll through CO and bust every dispensary in sight. They are busting more in CA, but They are not attempting to put the industry out of business. They are in fact being selective, just like they are with the deportation.

/A farking google search.
//Teach me to assume you are arguing honestly


Someone tried to do that to me on Reddit the other day. This was my response.

180,000 hits! It must be true.
 
2012-06-30 08:52:45 AM

EnviroDude: vygramul: Except the EO did not implement DREAM, just the parts the president can do, which is not much. Just like he said a couple of years ago.

Granting amnesty to a million people is more than "not much".


Dapends. How many illegals are there?
 
2012-06-30 09:49:23 AM

EnviroDude: vygramul: Except the EO did not implement DREAM, just the parts the president can do, which is not much. Just like he said a couple of years ago.

Granting amnesty to a million people is more than "not much".


Good thing it didn't do that, then, right?
 
2012-06-30 09:57:08 AM
GOP wants to make sure they can buy shiny new guns and airplanes, even if you have to suffer. Nothing new there.
 
2012-06-30 10:01:23 AM

St_Francis_P: Lots of people; problem is, if you wait for any sort of perfection you'll get nothing. The Republicans haven't exactly been falling all over themselves to improve America.


They want to improve America, but they don't want the Democrats to benefit. Nor do they want any other scumbag who didn't vote for them to benefit either.

/It's tough to improve a country without helping the people don't benefit you in any way.
 
2012-06-30 10:05:15 AM

cameroncrazy1984: EnviroDude: vygramul: Except the EO did not implement DREAM, just the parts the president can do, which is not much. Just like he said a couple of years ago.

Granting amnesty to a million people is more than "not much".

Good thing it didn't do that, then, right?


You say potato, he says mechanized pipe-fitting auger.
 
2012-06-30 10:05:31 AM

St_Francis_P: Lorelle: These assholes are fighting awfully hard to keep millions of Americans from getting affordable health care.

Once again, the GOP has shown that it truly doesn't give a damn about people.

Not true; they deeply care about themselves.


I think at this point whether they qualify as people is becoming debatable.
 
2012-06-30 10:06:48 AM
The ACA is "broken" we need to pass "comprehensive" healthcare reform defined in our terms, therefore we don't have to implement it.
 
2012-06-30 10:08:27 AM

cameroncrazy1984: EnviroDude: vygramul: Except the EO did not implement DREAM, just the parts the president can do, which is not much. Just like he said a couple of years ago.

Granting amnesty to a million people is more than "not much".

Good thing it didn't do that, then, right?


It doesn't surprise me the party that considers every issue black and white can't wrap their head around a concept like prosecutorial discretion.
 
2012-06-30 10:08:50 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: GOP wants to make sure they can buy shiny new guns and airplanes, even if you have to suffer. Nothing new there.


Now now, you forgot that only the middle and lower classes should pay for those things. Job Creators can't afford to contribute to defense.
 
2012-06-30 10:09:43 AM

Makh: St_Francis_P: Lots of people; problem is, if you wait for any sort of perfection you'll get nothing. The Republicans haven't exactly been falling all over themselves to improve America.

They want to improve America, but they don't want the Democrats to benefit. Nor do they want any other scumbag who didn't vote for them to benefit either.

/It's tough to improve a country without helping the people don't benefit you in any way.


In what way have they demonstrated a want to improve America. I have been unable to find a single piece of legislation or even a proposal written by Republicans in the last 3 and a half years or so that was even remotely designed to improve America. So... I'm going to need some citation on that claim before I'm going to be able to consider your, "they want to improve America", as anything other than laughable.

I'm really not trying to be glib with you or anything... I'm just saying that I have seen no evidence to support that part of what you said.
 
2012-06-30 10:13:07 AM
Remember folks - every single illegal immigrant in the entire country was already caught, investigated, processed for deportation, and sitting on the ICE buses. But suddenly Obama signed that exec order, and instantly they were given honorary degrees and free health plans, and you were all fired so they could have your white-collar jobs.

That unAmerican tyrant...
 
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