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2012-06-29 05:43:57 PM  

relcec: Rent Party: relcec: Quasar: cchris_39: Where is this "denying millions of people affordable health care" bullshiat coming from?

I've been on Fark years and all I have been reading is that they are in fact already getting care and that "we are already paying for them" is the problem that has to be fixed.

Is the new spin that those Wasacally Wepublicans are wanting to snatch the bread out of their mouth? Here's a news flash: They already had bread. For free.

You heard it, folks. The Emergency Room is officially "affordable health care."

you heard it here folks,
forcing me to personally buy a full cost healthplan for $6k a year that I don't f*cking want (because I couldn't possibly use enough meds and go to the doctor enough to make it worth my while) instead of the catastrophic plan that is cheap and I like because it will save me from having to file for bankruptcy if something unexpected happens is actually providing me affordable healthcare.
oh, and the fact that medicaid won't be expanding very much so millions of low income folks won't be insured at all is just something to be ignored.

You're not being forced to buy it. You can not buy it if you don't want. The tax is likely cheaper than your catastrophic plan, so you can make that choice if you like.

are you sure that insurance companies aren't prohibited by congress from selling the product at all to those over 30?
everywhere I've read about it has been described as a prohibition on the insurance companies from even selling it to me.
I am forced to an overpriced, unwanted product, because congress won't allow me to buy the one I want, because frankly that just doesn't create enough of profit for the insurance companies.

so I can choose from opening myself up to the probability of a medical bankruptcy if I develop a mild condition or have an accident and pay a nice extra tax for the trouble, or I can choose the ridiculously overpriced product that congress has limited me to and that I won't have an easy time affording.

yes, the mandate was truly about making healthcare affordable. I see it clearly now.
oh, and please don't look behind the curtain at the millions of low income families that aren't insured at all.


Or you could choose to kill yourself now, preemptively, and we all win.
 
2012-06-29 05:44:31 PM  

shamanwest: You know, Fark. If you're going to filter curse words, fine. You could at least have the filters match caps use.


it's like a sine wave of angry. revel in it.
 
2012-06-29 05:45:32 PM  

Epoch_Zero: - to require women having abortions be "fully informed regarding the pain experienced by their unborn child" (H.R. 356)


You know, it's stupid BS laws like that in which I were a woman who had to go though that, I'd sit through all of that "information" and then respond by "huh, that sounds dandy. Suck the motherfarker out."

Because once that child is born, the GOP couldn't give a shiat what happens to it unless it adhires to its dogma.
 
2012-06-29 05:46:34 PM  

DeltaPunch: mrshowrules: Diogenes: vernonFL: Is that what it sounds like when a 60 year old conservative woman has an orgasm?

It's never happened before, so it's tough to say.

Someone has just risen to the top of my list of people in the GOP that I absolutely hate.

Here's mine, what I believe are the worst of the worst:

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Now with bonus "mean" Jean Schmidt.


Jesus shiat, just shave the head dude. Shave it. You look like an asshole with the "ring around the hair". Shave it. My buddy did and it helped. You're still an asshole but you won't look like one.
 
2012-06-29 05:48:46 PM  

magusdevil: relcec: Rent Party: relcec: Quasar: cchris_39: Where is this "denying millions of people affordable health care" bullshiat coming from?

I've been on Fark years and all I have been reading is that they are in fact already getting care and that "we are already paying for them" is the problem that has to be fixed.

Is the new spin that those Wasacally Wepublicans are wanting to snatch the bread out of their mouth? Here's a news flash: They already had bread. For free.

You heard it, folks. The Emergency Room is officially "affordable health care."

you heard it here folks,
forcing me to personally buy a full cost healthplan for $6k a year that I don't f*cking want (because I couldn't possibly use enough meds and go to the doctor enough to make it worth my while) instead of the catastrophic plan that is cheap and I like because it will save me from having to file for bankruptcy if something unexpected happens is actually providing me affordable healthcare.
oh, and the fact that medicaid won't be expanding very much so millions of low income folks won't be insured at all is just something to be ignored.

You're not being forced to buy it. You can not buy it if you don't want. The tax is likely cheaper than your catastrophic plan, so you can make that choice if you like.

are you sure that insurance companies aren't prohibited by congress from selling the product at all to those over 30?
everywhere I've read about it has been described as a prohibition on the insurance companies from even selling it to me.
I am forced to an overpriced, unwanted product, because congress won't allow me to buy the one I want, because frankly that just doesn't create enough of profit for the insurance companies.

so I can choose from opening myself up to the probability of a medical bankruptcy if I develop a mild condition or have an accident and pay a nice extra tax for the trouble, or I can choose the ridiculously overpriced product that congress has limited me to and that I won't ...


is Jean Schmidt you mom?
 
2012-06-29 05:48:51 PM  
Typical christian republican. Nothing new under the sun. These folks are farking insane.
 
2012-06-29 05:49:34 PM  

skullkrusher: is Jean Schmidt your mom?


I blame Bobby Jindal for my illiteracy
 
2012-06-29 05:49:44 PM  

mrshowrules: robsul82: Healthcare just ain't as sweet if poor people have it too. EVERYONE knows that.

When I can take my kids to the doctor and have them looked after, it warms my heart and makes me feel secure as a parent. When I know, my neighbour who was laid off can do the same thing for his children it sickens and disgusts me because it isn't fair.


I'm stealing this.
 
2012-06-29 05:50:39 PM  

Biological Ali: relcec: forcing me to personally buy a full cost healthplan for $6k a year that I don't f*cking want (because I couldn't possibly use enough meds and go to the doctor enough to make it worth my while)

I wonder; do statements like these represent an inability to rationally evaluate health insurance specifically, or are they indicative of a failure to comprehend the more general concept of expected utility altogether?


relatively young and healthy people like me without chronic medical issues behave rationally when we eschew the gold plated plan and stick with the catastrophic plan.
you're inability to judge the relative value of the plans offered to me and others like me, their respective prices, and the likelihood of an event that cost ten thousand, but not thirty thousand dollars or more is why you don't have a f*cking clue what you are talking about.

I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.

traditional plans offer little value to the young and healthy who have no chronic problems over catastrophic plans, unless they get to use pre tax dollars and their employer pays for 80% of the plan that the employer already gets a discount on over the individual buyer so they aren't the ones actually paying for the vast majority of it anyway.
 
2012-06-29 05:50:49 PM  

skullkrusher: skullkrusher: is Jean Schmidt your mom?

I blame Bobby Jindal for my illiteracy


oi41.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-29 05:52:40 PM  

relcec: Biological Ali: relcec: forcing me to personally buy a full cost healthplan for $6k a year that I don't f*cking want (because I couldn't possibly use enough meds and go to the doctor enough to make it worth my while)

I wonder; do statements like these represent an inability to rationally evaluate health insurance specifically, or are they indicative of a failure to comprehend the more general concept of expected utility altogether?

relatively young and healthy people like me without chronic medical issues behave rationally when we eschew the gold plated plan and stick with the catastrophic plan.
you're inability to judge the relative value of the plans offered to me and others like me, their respective prices, and the likelihood of an event that cost ten thousand, but not thirty thousand dollars or more is why you don't have a f*cking clue what you are talking about.

I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.

traditional plans offer little value to the young and healthy who have no chronic problems over catastrophic plans, unless they get to use pre tax dollars and their employer pays for 80% of the plan that the employer already gets a discount on over the individual buyer so they aren't the ones actually paying for the vast majority of it anyway.


I am 24 and I have the traditional one because I don't want to gamble my life on the offshot something does happen to me and I'm stuck with the bill.

People take risks over the stupidest things.
 
2012-06-29 05:53:20 PM  
It was either a traditional plan or one of those worthless HSA's everyone keeps talking about.
 
2012-06-29 05:55:00 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I never would have expected a "conservative" to be so upset by the implementation of a Republican/Heritage Foundation plan.


When it's proposed by Bob Bennett, it's good.

When it's proposed by Ballsack HUSSEIN Zerobammey, it's bad.

/Seriously, these people are too dumb to have higher intellectual ideals or principles. It's a damn wonder she didn't poop into her hand and fling it at someone.
 
2012-06-29 05:55:42 PM  

GAT_00: Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the kind of person who represents the Republican party. Remember, vote Republican.


Too bad this is the kind of person who IS the Republican party.
 
2012-06-29 05:56:30 PM  
I concluded several years ago that Republicans are evil scum. I've yet to see an office-holding Republican who has challenged that belief.
 
2012-06-29 05:56:45 PM  

skullkrusher: is Jean Schmidt you mom?


no, but I did play the teacher in donnie darko, so I see why you might be confused.
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2012-06-29 05:58:53 PM  

heap: shamanwest: You know, Fark. If you're going to filter curse words, fine. You could at least have the filters match caps use.

it's like a sine wave of angry. revel in it.


I wonder if I can favorite you twice? Then you would be striped.
 
2012-06-29 05:59:19 PM  
C'mon, how am I not supposed to enjoy the level of schadenfreude the cons are handing to me on a silver platter? We're getting the best of both worlds here: We get to see what the cons would have done had the court sided with them, and we also get to see them throw an epic tantrum about how the court went the other way.
 
2012-06-29 06:00:57 PM  

relcec: again "the individual mandate had been struck down thus denying millions of people affordable health care" is bullshiat. that never would have happened. what actually happened is the medicaid mandate was stuck down, denying millions of low income people healthcare at all.

but you go on cheering subby, because obama said he won and the mandate for insurance company profits was actually the important bit.


I don't know that's the case.

That portion was an "opinion" by Roberts, joined by Kagan and Breyer. There were not a majority of votes for this section. It was not the "opinion of the court".
 
2012-06-29 06:02:37 PM  

relcec: I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.


At this point I can't even tell if you're being serious or not. If it's a joke, it's a pretty convoluted one. Now, I can understand the desire to not make it too obvious, but you've got to have a proper punchline in there somewhere.
 
2012-06-29 06:04:33 PM  

relcec: skullkrusher: is Jean Schmidt you mom?

no, but I did play the teacher in donnie darko, so I see why you might be confused.
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heh wasn't talking to you
 
2012-06-29 06:05:08 PM  

skullkrusher: relcec: skullkrusher: is Jean Schmidt you mom?

no, but I did play the teacher in donnie darko, so I see why you might be confused.
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heh wasn't talking to you


or was I...
 
2012-06-29 06:05:58 PM  

relcec: Quasar: cchris_39: Where is this "denying millions of people affordable health care" bullshiat coming from?

I've been on Fark years and all I have been reading is that they are in fact already getting care and that "we are already paying for them" is the problem that has to be fixed.

Is the new spin that those Wasacally Wepublicans are wanting to snatch the bread out of their mouth? Here's a news flash: They already had bread. For free.

You heard it, folks. The Emergency Room is officially "affordable health care."

you heard it here folks,
forcing me to personally buy a full cost healthplan for $6k a year that I don't f*cking want (because I couldn't possibly use enough meds and go to the doctor enough to make it worth my while) instead of the catastrophic plan that is cheap and I like because it will save me from having to file for bankruptcy if something unexpected happens is actually providing me affordable healthcare.
oh, and the fact that medicaid won't be expanding very much so millions of low income folks won't be insured at all is just something to be ignored.


It's predicted to be expanded significantly in nearly every state.
 
2012-06-29 06:10:24 PM  

relcec: I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.


So keep your catastrophic plan and pay the tax penalty. You'll get to avoid paying into a much broader yet more expensive collective risk pool (screw you!), yet have the catastrophic-only coverage you have predetermined is all you'll ever need (I got mine!). Jesus, do we have to do everything for you?

Of course, when you are diagnosed with a condition that requires long term care and treatment, don't you dare go racing out to buy yourself one of those "traditional" plans that you haven't been paying premiums on for years, because that would increase premiums on the rest of us. As you're so keen on things being fair and making your own decisions out of enlightened self-interest, I'm sure you'll pay for all your treatments out of pocket with all the money you've saved. Because if you don't, you'll become everything you hate, won't you?
 
2012-06-29 06:11:00 PM  
I guess her performance is what happens when someone truly subscribes to the idea that ACA is some kind of job-destroying economy-eating government leviathan, conjured by the Obama Cabal specifically to consume all that is right and good with America and to excrete a desolate, godless hellscape where once stood a proud country.

Or something. I guess.
 
2012-06-29 06:11:59 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: C'mon, how am I not supposed to enjoy the level of schadenfreude the cons are handing to me on a silver platter? We're getting the best of both worlds here: We get to see what the cons would have done had the court sided with them, and we also get to see them throw an epic tantrum about how the court went the other way.


Their tears of impotent rage nourish my soul.
 
2012-06-29 06:12:58 PM  

skullkrusher: relcec: oh, and please don't look behind the curtain at the millions of low income families that aren't insured at all.

the bill has subsidies in it


The troll hasn't read the bill, or studied it, yet is against it.

I am Shocked!
 
2012-06-29 06:13:45 PM  
Some of the poutrage on this reminds of the stories you hear about people who refuse to pay their optional firefighting tax and then are upset when their house burns down and the fire department doesn't put it out: Link

I'm unwilling to hear an argument against the mandate until the person making it first admits they have absolutely no problem with an uninsurable family member dying in the emergency room because doctors refuse to treat them.

There are plenty of things I don't like about Obamacare, but I have yet to hear the alternate proposal to be debated.
 
2012-06-29 06:15:24 PM  

FuturePastNow: I concluded several years ago that Republicans are evil scum. I've yet to see an office-holding Republican who has challenged that belief.


Maureen Walsh. There might be a few others, but she's the only one I can think of at the moment.
 
2012-06-29 06:18:06 PM  

Mrtraveler01: relcec: Biological Ali: relcec: forcing me to personally buy a full cost healthplan for $6k a year that I don't f*cking want (because I couldn't possibly use enough meds and go to the doctor enough to make it worth my while)

I wonder; do statements like these represent an inability to rationally evaluate health insurance specifically, or are they indicative of a failure to comprehend the more general concept of expected utility altogether?

relatively young and healthy people like me without chronic medical issues behave rationally when we eschew the gold plated plan and stick with the catastrophic plan.
you're inability to judge the relative value of the plans offered to me and others like me, their respective prices, and the likelihood of an event that cost ten thousand, but not thirty thousand dollars or more is why you don't have a f*cking clue what you are talking about.

I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.

traditional plans offer little value to the young and healthy who have no chronic problems over catastrophic plans, unless they get to use pre tax dollars and their employer pays for 80% of the plan that the employer already gets a discount on over the individual buyer so they aren't the ones actually paying for the vast majority of it anyway.

I am 24 and I have the traditional one because I don't want to gamble my life on the offshot something does happen to me and I'm stuck with the bill.

People take risks over the stupidest things.


what are you gambling by buying catastrophic? that you won't immediately get leukemia, or hit by a bus, or shot, which are all fairly unlikely, before the savings can make up for the cost of a catastrophic event? I mean you are 24, if anything happens it will be a car wreck. you aren't gonna get lung cancer or break a hip lying down in bed tonight.

over 12 years it becomes more likely, but by then you have the savings to pay for it and then some.

does your employer pay for it?
I used to have the traditional one before school when I worked for a hospital. but my employer paid like 90% of the cost and I got no benefit from taking a lesser plan, so the choice was easy.

now I work for a very small outfit (like 5 people, sometimes only 4 when work slows a bit) and my boss/the owner gives me $3k a year medical allowance to do what I want with it. I can save it, blow it at the race track, or buy insurance with it. so the choice is easy, I buy the catastrophic and bank at least $350 a month in savings.

but to each his own. if you feel more comfortable with it, then I'm happy you can afford it and have found something you like.
 
2012-06-29 06:18:19 PM  

sabreWulf07: relcec: I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.

So keep your catastrophic plan and pay the tax penalty. You'll get to avoid paying into a much broader yet more expensive collective risk pool (screw you!), yet have the catastrophic-only coverage you have predetermined is all you'll ever need (I got mine!). Jesus, do we have to do everything for you?

Of course, when you are diagnosed with a condition that requires long term care and treatment, don't you dare go racing out to buy yourself one of those "traditional" plans that you haven't been paying premiums on for years, because that would increase premiums on the rest of us. As you're so keen on things being fair and making your own decisions out of enlightened self-interest, I'm sure you'll pay for all your treatments out of pocket with all the money you've saved. Because if you don't, you'll become everything you hate, won't you?


See, you all are missing the point. Health insurance and healthcare is supposed to be available when "THEY" want it or need it, but not generally available for those who don't really need it. "THEY" only use it when they really really need it; but everyone else is just too lazy or thoughtless to not need it.

Or something. I'm f*cked if I can understand why people who have health insurance don't want those of us without it to be unable to get it without paying $$$$ in premiums or jumping through a carnival full of hoops. And I REALLY don't understand why they want to deny it to those of us with pre-existing conditions that insurers won't cover AT ALL.
 
2012-06-29 06:19:15 PM  
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.com
 
2012-06-29 06:19:30 PM  

balki1867:
There are plenty of things I don't like about Obamacare, but I have yet to hear the alternate proposal to be debated.


Single payer. And the reason you haven't heard it debated is because the Obama administration took it off the table back when it still negotiated with terrorists.
 
2012-06-29 06:27:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: sabreWulf07: relcec: I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.

So keep your catastrophic plan and pay the tax penalty. You'll get to avoid paying into a much broader yet more expensive collective risk pool (screw you!), yet have the catastrophic-only coverage you have predetermined is all you'll ever need (I got mine!). Jesus, do we have to do everything for you?

Of course, when you are diagnosed with a condition that requires long term care and treatment, don't you dare go racing out to buy yourself one of those "traditional" plans that you haven't been paying premiums on for years, because that would increase premiums on the rest of us. As you're so keen on things being fair and making your own decisions out of enlightened self-interest, I'm sure you'll pay for all your treatments out of pocket with all the money you've saved. Because if you don't, you'll become everything you hate, won't you?

See, you all are missing the point. Health insurance and healthcare is supposed to be available when "THEY" want it or need it, but not generally available for those who don't really need it. "THEY" only use it when they really really need it; but everyone else is just too lazy or thoughtless to not need it.

Or something. I'm f*cked if I can understand why people who have health insurance don't want those of us without it to be unable to get it without paying $$$$ in premiums or jumping through a carnival full of hoops. And I REALLY don't understand why they want to deny it to those of us with pre-existing conditions that insurers won't cover AT ALL.


It's because conservatives see poverty, ill health, indignity, etc., as life's proper punishments for moral weakness. When a sane person uses the term "social justice," s/he means taking steps to diminish the bad effects of inequality. When a conservative uses the term "social justice," s/he means watching people s/he regards as bad suffer.

Ya rly. That's rly it.
 
2012-06-29 06:27:30 PM  

gilgigamesh: I don't know that's the case.


Ah, nevermind. I was mistaken. Ginsburg wrote separately to agree in Roberts' remedy for his perception of a problem with the medicaid expansion, even though she didn't agree there was a problem in the first place. Basically it looks like she compromised to preserve a majority.
 
2012-06-29 06:30:56 PM  

relcec: but to each his own. if you feel more comfortable with it, then I'm happy you can afford it and have found something you like.


On the off chance that you're serious...

Let's say a guy who has chosen to remain completely uninsured comes up to you and say "I haven't been sick at all these past five years, look at how much money I've saved!" What would your response be?
 
2012-06-29 06:48:19 PM  

bugontherug: Gyrfalcon: sabreWulf07: relcec: I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.

So keep your catastrophic plan and pay the tax penalty. You'll get to avoid paying into a much broader yet more expensive collective risk pool (screw you!), yet have the catastrophic-only coverage you have predetermined is all you'll ever need (I got mine!). Jesus, do we have to do everything for you?

Of course, when you are diagnosed with a condition that requires long term care and treatment, don't you dare go racing out to buy yourself one of those "traditional" plans that you haven't been paying premiums on for years, because that would increase premiums on the rest of us. As you're so keen on things being fair and making your own decisions out of enlightened self-interest, I'm sure you'll pay for all your treatments out of pocket with all the money you've saved. Because if you don't, you'll become everything you hate, won't you?

See, you all are missing the point. Health insurance and healthcare is supposed to be available when "THEY" want it or need it, but not generally available for those who don't really need it. "THEY" only use it when they really really need it; but everyone else is just too lazy or thoughtless to not need it.

Or something. I'm f*cked if I can understand why people who have health insurance don't want those of us without it to be unable to get it without paying $$$$ in premiums or jumping through a carnival full of hoops. And I REALLY don't understand why they want to deny it to those of us with pre-existing conditions that insurers won't cover AT ALL.

It's because conservatives see poverty, ill health, indignity, etc., as life's proper punishments for moral weakness. When a sane person uses the term "social justice," s/he means taki ...


That is the ONLY thing I can think of that makes sense.
 
2012-06-29 06:57:59 PM  
B-bu-but premiums will go up under Obamacare!

static6.businessinsider.com
No shiat, they've been going up since forever.
 
2012-06-29 07:03:40 PM  
relcec:

I think it was September of 2009 that anyone gave you any real attention except to mock you. How time flies.
 
2012-06-29 07:07:28 PM  

sabreWulf07: relcec: I've had a catastrophic plan since the beginning of law school. it has been 7 years, I've saved $35k over traditional plans. I could pay my 10k deductible 3 years straight with the money I've already saved. in short, as usual you don't know wtf you are talking about.

So keep your catastrophic plan and pay the tax penalty. You'll get to avoid paying into a much broader yet more expensive collective risk pool (screw you!), yet have the catastrophic-only coverage you have predetermined is all you'll ever need (I got mine!). Jesus, do we have to do everything for you?

Of course, when you are diagnosed with a condition that requires long term care and treatment, don't you dare go racing out to buy yourself one of those "traditional" plans that you haven't been paying premiums on for years, because that would increase premiums on the rest of us. As you're so keen on things being fair and making your own decisions out of enlightened self-interest, I'm sure you'll pay for all your treatments out of pocket with all the money you've saved. Because if you don't, you'll become everything you hate, won't you?




I can't keep the catastrophic plan. the healthplans are prohibited from selling it to me.
and me buying full cost insurance personally doesn't put me in a collective risk pool.
do you know anything about that which you speak? it is individual insurance based in large part on actuarial data. I don't get to pay what you pay, I don't get to join your group plan, I don't get the discount you get from your employer, we all aren't going to be in one big group plan, you dumbf*ck.

I can and will be charged more as my risk increases, while you are protected statutorily from paying more than anyone else because you have a uterus and a vagina capable of having a baby and that gets irritated when people point out the inconvenient truth to you.
so try to keep the f*ck up if you want to have a conversation.

oh, and you have no idea what I actually hate.



Biological Ali: relcec: but to each his own. if you feel more comfortable with it, then I'm happy you can afford it and have found something you like.

On the off chance that you're serious...

Let's say a guy who has chosen to remain completely uninsured comes up to you and say "I haven't been sick at all these past five years, look at how much money I've saved!" What would your response be?


I'm not slightly interested in conversing with you. do me a favor, just stfu for the rest of the day so I don't feel obliged to keep educating you about how the world actually works.


Mrtraveler01: It was either a traditional plan or one of those worthless HSA's everyone keeps talking about.


I didn't ask if it was traditional. I got that vibe from you when you said it was traditional the first time. I asked if your employer was paying for it and that's why it makes sense.


gilgigamesh: I don't know that's the case.

That portion was an "opinion" by Roberts, joined by Kagan and Breyer. There were not a majority of votes for this section. It was not the "opinion of the court".



you sure scalia and thomas didn't join that part? I probably don't have to tell you it would be odd if kagan and breyer thought the feds were coercing states too much, but scalia and thomas were cool with it.
 
2012-06-29 07:08:40 PM  
So, am I to infer from relcec's posts & the responses that catastrophic plans do not meet the minimum coverage requirements in the AHCA? Does anybody know what the thresholds are?
 
2012-06-29 07:14:48 PM  

cchris_39: Where is this "denying millions of people affordable health care" bullshiat coming from?

I've been on Fark years and all I have been reading is that they are in fact already getting care and that "we are already paying for them" is the problem that has to be fixed.

Is the new spin that those Wasacally Wepublicans are wanting to snatch the bread out of their mouth? Here's a news flash: They already had bread. For free.


The problem wasn't so much that they had health care as that they had it in a very sporadic way. If someone without health care because of, say, a pre-existing condition, had a heart attack, they would go to the emergency room, and either a) be crippled by debt, or b) have the taxpayers pick up the debt.

And they still weren't treated for heart disease. People were being left with fatal diseases until it flared up and they could get treatment at the ER.

This was happening to kids, to elderly people, to the poor...they didn't have health care, they had a very dangerous situation, and the bill corrected a lot of it.

/I actually can't get a diagnoses for Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome because it would be a pre-existing condition, which means that my mother's choice was to either a) make sure I could never buy healthcare again, thus leaving me with crippling debt or b) leave me in a position where, if I ever need surgery, it's a 50/50 chance the doctor will actually listen when I tell them I have defective collagen. Defective collagen seriously hurts your ability to recover properly, but we ended up going with b, because 50/50 chance of getting screwed is far less than 100%, which was a.
 
2012-06-29 07:16:45 PM  

relcec: I can't keep the catastrophic plan.


I don't know where you're getting your information, but good news! The menu of healthcare policy options under the act clearly includes a catastrophic policy for young adults that do not usually purchase standard health and medical insurance; and for anyone exempted from the insurance mandate.

Maybe you should actually f*cking read it?
 
2012-06-29 07:16:47 PM  
"Yes, people can be uninsured again! Praise baby Jeebus!"
 
2012-06-29 07:17:02 PM  
My favorite is still the reaction from Florida CFO Jeff Atwater. Link
 
2012-06-29 07:17:16 PM  

fringedmyotis: So, am I to infer from relcec's posts & the responses that catastrophic plans do not meet the minimum coverage requirements in the AHCA? Does anybody know what the thresholds are?


30% copay or less, I have no idea on the max deductible. They have removed tax exemptions from HSA's over I think 2500 a year per person. It limits health insurance premiums to around 9% of your income, which is reasonable particularly for people with unfortunate conditions that would traditionally lead to premiums being thousands a month. The short and sweet on his situation is "hey I'm reach enough I can get a plan with a 10k deductible and stick 10k in a tax free account. fark you people that make 30k a year and the insurance folks want 1300 a month to give you the same plan I have."
 
2012-06-29 07:18:37 PM  

PsiChick: cchris_39: Where is this "denying millions of people affordable health care" bullshiat coming from?

I've been on Fark years and all I have been reading is that they are in fact already getting care and that "we are already paying for them" is the problem that has to be fixed.

Is the new spin that those Wasacally Wepublicans are wanting to snatch the bread out of their mouth? Here's a news flash: They already had bread. For free.

The problem wasn't so much that they had health care as that they had it in a very sporadic way. If someone without health care because of, say, a pre-existing condition, had a heart attack, they would go to the emergency room, and either a) be crippled by debt, or b) have the taxpayers pick up the debt.

And they still weren't treated for heart disease. People were being left with fatal diseases until it flared up and they could get treatment at the ER.

This was happening to kids, to elderly people, to the poor...they didn't have health care, they had a very dangerous situation, and the bill corrected a lot of it.

/I actually can't get a diagnoses for Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome because it would be a pre-existing condition, which means that my mother's choice was to either a) make sure I could never buy healthcare again, thus leaving me with crippling debt or b) leave me in a position where, if I ever need surgery, it's a 50/50 chance the doctor will actually listen when I tell them I have defective collagen. Defective collagen seriously hurts your ability to recover properly, but we ended up going with b, because 50/50 chance of getting screwed is far less than 100%, which was a.


This is what it's all about. Making sure people are covered. If you can't get your diagnosis now, you will within the next couple of years.
 
2012-06-29 07:21:08 PM  

bugontherug: This is what it's all about. Making sure people are covered. If you can't get your diagnosis now, you will within the next couple of years.


Hahaha, aren't you funny. I'm waiting until I know this law is staying. The last thing I need is to have a pre-existing condition. I'm not rich and I never will be, so this really isn't something I can afford to screw up.

/Life. Isn't it wonderful.
//But yeah, I'm not totally cheering for Obamacare out of altruism.
 
2012-06-29 07:30:19 PM  

Jackson Herring: Blues_X: "OH GOOD! THE POOR ARE STILL FARKED!"

Thank God Fartbongo.


They are still farked.
 
2012-06-29 07:32:23 PM  

s2s2s2: Jackson Herring: Blues_X: "OH GOOD! THE POOR ARE STILL FARKED!"

Thank God Fartbongo.

They are still farked.


Yeah but at least now they will be covered for the torn rectum.
 
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