lohphat: vpb: We would have a much smaller economy today if it weren't for the Interstate system.

Libertarians and conservatives can't grasp that. They only want to fund what they themselves use. They'd have tollbooths on every street corner so they didn't have to pay for streets they don't use without any regard for administrative overhead or the realization that shared roads, rail, and ATC benefit all for improved lines of commerce and employment and redundancy.

Conservatism is a mental capacity disorder.

I will give you that as long as you make a distinction between the current breed on "neo-con" and traditional Republicans. I used to be a Republican until the neocon whack jobs took over the party. Republicans gave us the National Park Service, the Interstate Highway System, and the EPA (Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Nixon, respectively).

ginandbacon: Sapper_Topo: ginandbacon: A

A historic. I can't stand it anymore!

Purely dependent on regional dialect. Just like "An hypothesis" or "A hypothesis" H words over 3 syllables are treated differently due to certain regions pronunciation of the hard H versus soft H sound.

No, it's really not. Nobody in this country says 'istory. It's just flat out wrong. It's as bad as saying between you and I. I just can't anymore.



Sparkley Prog Rockers defy you.

But the federal government can't do anything good with our taxes. I was told this by a guy who started his own business with GI Bill money and an SBA loan, so he has to be right.

Thunderpipes: Interstates helped everyone in the country, and the country itself, it was a fantastic investment.

Obamacare helps a tiny portion of the population via handouts and hurts everyone else, and the country. Differences.

Unfortunately, Obamacare can't fix short sighted, selfish conservative thinking like the example above.

Thunderpipes: Interstates helped everyone in the country, and the country itself, it was a fantastic investment.

Obamacare helps a tiny portion of the population via handouts and hurts everyone else, and the country. Differences.

You have no idea how insurance works, do you? Especially health insurance. Risk pools, prevention, et cetera, et cetera. I'd go into it, but I believe there may be some other discussions on this site that may address those concerns.

grinding_journalist: The big difference being that here, you don't have to pay for them and subsequently not use them if you so choose.

What? How's the air on your planet? Highways are built with tax dollars that we all must pay. You don't have to use them, but you will damned sure help pay for them. And you have absolutely nothing to say about where they are built. Oh there are public hearings and the like, but the governments don't much care what the public thinks and, in most cases are not bound to them. The controversial Interstate 3 is a case in point. The citizens are adamantly opposed to the project, as are environmental and conservation groups, since the highway between Savannah and Knoxville is not only unnecessary, but would be very harmful to several communities and some of the most pristine areas in southern Appalachia. But so far, citizen opposition is being pretty much ignored.

Socialism is not about authoritarianism. It was meant to be an egalitarian system. But authoritarianism creeps into every political system because those who attain power want to keep power and control others in order to do so. This is why there has never been a true Marxist communist government in the world. Lenin used Marxist theory to wow the peasant class to help him overthrow the Russian aristocracy. Once he achieved this, he ceased dictatorial power and started making reforms, using the threat of an eventual German invasion as one of his reasons for doing so (actually, Lenin was correct). The Soviet system never really much resembled anything Marx and Engels envisioned. Neither does the Maoist systems in China and N. Korea.

But look what it did to Radiator Springs...

A stunning public works program for the greater benefit to all.

Also, a damn fine example of Federalism at work. Ever wonder how they were able to justify those "interstate" highways that exist entirely in one state?

This would never be allowed to happen by obstructionist forces in government today. "Fix Old, No New" indeed.

Cheesus:

Betraying my roadgeekery: ..... Plus there's that atrocity that is 99 in PA.

Indeed the sign of a true road geek. I-238 anyone?

Do the people politicizing a thread about interstate highways realize how farking stupid they sound? Or am I the only one who thinks they're douchebags?

SHUT. THE. fark. UP

Interstate automobile transportation was enhanced, but at the expense of thousands of businesses and hundreds of small communities.

grinding_journalist: Mock26: All of you farkers who foam at the mouth in rage when you think of socialism do the rest of us a favor and stay the fark off of our socialist highways!

Socialism? We're the ones paying for them. They are ours to use.

Know how I know that you know nothing about socialism? Our state, county and federal highways, airports, much of the rail line system and most publicly owned utilities are socialist. Of course we pay for them in common and benefit in common. This is the very essence socialism. In a pure capitalistic, free market society, these would be owned by corporations or individuals, who could charge whatever the market would bear for their use.

You know who else liked fast roads to move military equipment long distances?

Can we be done with 'an historic' please? This is not England. We do not drop our Hs.

How about 'an hysterectomy'?
'an hysterical reaction'?
'an hope'?
'an horticultural soiree'?
'an homeless guy'?

Note. When we *do* drop our Hs (an hour ago), we use 'an'.

FlashHarry: jesus. can you imagine a republican even proposing to spend money on infrastructure today? he'd be drummed out of the party as a communist!

Well, the Birchers really did accuse Eisenhower of being a communist. Then they proceeded on a 40 year quest take over the Republican party.

You know who else built a national highway system?

Walker: Hawaii has 3 interstate highways. What other states do they go to?


H1 connects to San Diego via the Aloha-Point Loma tunnel. Awesome weekend drive.

Or, as I call it, EisenhowerHighwayCare.