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(Some Guy)   No more flash support for Android starting with 4.1. So does this mean Android users will stop biatching about the iPhone and its lack of flash?   (blogs.adobe.com) divider line 111
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2012-06-29 11:27:47 AM  
blog.stuttgarter-zeitung.de
 
2012-06-29 11:36:38 AM  
No, now I'll just complain about Android 4.1 not having flash, either.

Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).
 
2012-06-29 11:43:49 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-29 11:56:52 AM  
I'll still laugh at the iPhone, I just won't mention flash in the argument.
 
2012-06-29 12:14:15 PM  
No, they're hiding it on the Play store from devices it isn't already on. You can still side-load it, it just might not work very well.
 
2012-06-29 12:27:11 PM  

kingoomieiii: No, they're hiding it on the Play store from devices it isn't already on. You can still side-load it, it just might not work very well.


And they aren't certifying any devices from 4.1 and beyond (apparently) so it won't come pre-loaded.
 
2012-06-29 01:09:12 PM  
There's apps for the iPhone that actually will play flash.
 
2012-06-29 02:29:37 PM  

RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).


Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?
 
2012-06-29 02:57:31 PM  
isn't html 5 supposed to eliminate flash, just like mob rule would likely want
 
2012-06-29 02:57:34 PM  

downstairs: RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).

Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?


No, I mean Amazon Instant Video. The android app for watching Amazon VOD natively is restricted to the Kindle Fire. The only way to watch is with a flash player on Amazon.
 
2012-06-29 02:59:16 PM  
No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.
 
2012-06-29 03:09:05 PM  
I don't know about that, but if a call block app for a non-jailbroken Iphone is not released soon, I'm going to the Droid side.
 
2012-06-29 03:10:16 PM  
attempting to care

hnnnnnngggghhh


nope
 
2012-06-29 03:11:14 PM  
Hm.. I hope Amazon Instant Video on tablet/mobile isn't affected that much with no new flash patch.
 
2012-06-29 03:13:41 PM  
So does this mean that either you write an app (cleared by the phone provider AND the manufacturer) for $, OR you get to use full round-trip HTML page loads? Does this mean that Javascript won't work? Does this mean that they've all agreed on a single viable version of Javascript?
 
2012-06-29 03:14:20 PM  
Why wouldn't I complain about them both?
 
2012-06-29 03:17:31 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Why wouldn't I complain about them both?


you must use one of them accursed windows phones
 
2012-06-29 03:23:56 PM  
Wait, you mean you can just install the old version even though it won't be preloaded or on the market? WOW!

http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/archived-flash-player-versions . html
 
2012-06-29 03:24:33 PM  
RIM FTW... Nothing compares to my Blackb...............Carrier..... no modulation.... Carrier....... no modulation.

bzzzzzzttttt....

blappp...

urghhhh..
 
2012-06-29 03:25:16 PM  

bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.


Much like the "Apple can do no wrong" crowd is? There are always extremes in both camps and both are hilariously stupid and blind. Apple and Android both have a place in the mobile world, and I wouldn't want that to change one bit. Both have matured enough in the market that they are figuring out ways to be more like each other. Though in the case of Apple, it's more "Oh, those are nice features that Android has" and creates their own version, while if a company like Samsung comes out with something that is remotely like Apple's, it's Sue! Injunction!.
 
2012-06-29 03:26:00 PM  

RexTalionis: downstairs: RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).

Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?

No, I mean Amazon Instant Video. The android app for watching Amazon VOD natively is restricted to the Kindle Fire. The only way to watch is with a flash player on Amazon.


Gotcha, sorry. I don't use that, so I didn't associate it with the video thing they offer. I still think of them just as a store.
 
2012-06-29 03:27:01 PM  
Sideloading. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-06-29 03:34:37 PM  
Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.
 
2012-06-29 03:37:26 PM  

phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.


Would you rather them use Jungle Cat based version nicknames(OSX)? Or City based nicknames(Windows)? Or Alliterative Animal based nicknames(Ubuntu Linux)?
 
2012-06-29 03:40:30 PM  

loonatic112358: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Why wouldn't I complain about them both?

you must use one of them accursed windows phones


OR not be loyal to any one brand. Isn't that kind of the opposite of being a free market consumer?

I have a Samsung Fascinate running some older version of droid. The thing is a piece of crap. Unfortunately I can't tell whether it's the OS or if it's Samsung that makes me hate this phone. It's my first smart phone so I can't tell the difference [no other droid experience, or Samsung without droid].

I'm not overly impressed with iOS either, though. I can biatch about both of them.

And Windows phones... hah.
 
2012-06-29 03:43:36 PM  

loonatic112358: isn't html 5 supposed to eliminate flash, just like mob rule would likely want


In an ideal world but people with functioning flash websites don't want to spend the money to rebuild their site.

Also, sideloading will solve that problem.
 
2012-06-29 03:47:21 PM  
Blow me.
 
2012-06-29 03:47:31 PM  
I have two Nexus 7's on order, with one of the small ancillary benefits being "Hey, and they can at least run Flash".

Not so fast there, boy.
 
2012-06-29 03:57:08 PM  

phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.


It's Jelly Bean , in case you're wondering.
 
2012-06-29 04:05:47 PM  

majestic: I don't know about that, but if a call block app for a non-jailbroken Iphone is not released soon, I'm going to the Droid side.


Do you mean the one that's being released in iOS6?
 
2012-06-29 04:06:07 PM  

tgambitg: phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.

Would you rather them use Jungle Cat based version nicknames(OSX)? Or City based nicknames(Windows)? Or Alliterative Animal based nicknames(Ubuntu Linux)?


The only reason those don't annoy me quite so much is a.) no one cares what the hell Windows OS versions' nicknames are, and b.) I don't have any reason to pay attention to the others.

Me, I like the numbers just fine. Occasionally I'll run across some bad writing by fanboys who assume everyone's going to have the whole list memorized, and then I get angry because I have to go somewhere else to figure out if Zabaglione is more current than Tres Leches Cake and how they both compare to That-Orange-Pudding-at-the-Indian-Buffet-Place.
 
2012-06-29 04:06:58 PM  

Cheese eating surrender monkey: phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.

It's Jelly Bean , in case you're wondering.




AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
 
2012-06-29 04:12:59 PM  
www.geeky-gadgets.com
 
2012-06-29 04:13:28 PM  

bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.


So the iPhone does support flash?
 
2012-06-29 04:17:07 PM  
Tthe follow up article will be about Android's use of Silverlight.
 
2012-06-29 04:26:37 PM  
No

HotWingConspiracy: bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.

So the iPhone does support flash?


No, just greed, egomania, profound narcissism and sick profit margins.
 
2012-06-29 04:32:03 PM  

downstairs: RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).

Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?



I sure would!

For one thing, I farking hate mobile sites... often they don't even display correctly, and on a modern smartphone there's usually no real reason not to display the full site. Modern smartphones have been able to handle the full sites for years now. Whenever given the option I switch to full - but then again, I have a pretty good smartphone (HTC EVO 4G).

For the other, I'm often browsing on my Android tablet. It's a 10.1" screen. On that there's REALLY no reason for it to display the mobile site, but many sites still recognize it as a mobile device and spit out the mobile version. On some I can choose the full site, but not all sites offer that, which bugs me.
 
2012-06-29 04:32:32 PM  

phaseolus: tgambitg: phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.

Would you rather them use Jungle Cat based version nicknames(OSX)? Or City based nicknames(Windows)? Or Alliterative Animal based nicknames(Ubuntu Linux)?

The only reason those don't annoy me quite so much is a.) no one cares what the hell Windows OS versions' nicknames are, and b.) I don't have any reason to pay attention to the others.

Me, I like the numbers just fine. Occasionally I'll run across some bad writing by fanboys who assume everyone's going to have the whole list memorized, and then I get angry because I have to go somewhere else to figure out if Zabaglione is more current than Tres Leches Cake and how they both compare to That-Orange-Pudding-at-the-Indian-Buffet-Place.


It's not that hard to figure out which one is newer, here they are in order of release...

Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich, Jelly Bean

See the pattern there?
 
2012-06-29 04:33:35 PM  
I left out Honeycomb, it goes between Gingerbread and ICS. In all fairness, it was a tablet only version and never made it on the phones...
 
2012-06-29 04:35:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.

So the iPhone does support flash?


It could, that's not the problem if I understand this correctly.
Apparently its a combination of bizarre technical and business related issues that keep handheld devices from agreeing with the people who own the flash.

Apple decided that HTML5 was the better bet and announced it would have nothing to do with flash. Android is opting to cut the painter instead and hopes no one notices they've abandoned their sales pitch.

/Personally I wonder why they couldn't just make it a "For sale" option.
/Let the people who want it pay people who think they can write browsers for it.
/Everyone else realizes people with expendable cash own tablets.
/Since flash gets between salesmen and the money, it will disappear.
 
2012-06-29 04:40:08 PM  
I'd just like to take this opportunity to state how farking much I enjoy my new Galaxy S III.

I went from an iPhone4 to an HTC One X about a month ago, but the HTC bricked on my after about a week, so I held out for this thing.

/wondering if/when they'll update to Jelly Bean
 
2012-06-29 04:45:20 PM  

mongbiohazard: I sure would!

For one thing, I farking hate mobile sites... often they don't even display correctly, and on a modern smartphone there's usually no real reason not to display the full site. Modern smartphones have been able to handle the full sites for years now. Whenever given the option I switch to full - but then again, I have a pretty good smartphone (HTC EVO 4G).

For the other, I'm often browsing on my Android tablet. It's a 10.1" screen. On that there's REALLY no reason for it to display the mobile site, but many sites still recognize it as a mobile device and spit out the mobile version. On some I can choose the full site, but not all sites offer that, which bugs me.


Honest question: Why wouldn't you just use the Amazon app instead of the website in the case of the mobile device? I've never seemed to have any problems with it that I'm aware of, either on iOS or Android.
 
2012-06-29 04:45:34 PM  
Could care less about Flash. Until the iPhone has text-entry comparable to Swype, nothing will make me give up my Android phone.
 
2012-06-29 04:47:48 PM  

way south: Apple decided that HTML5 was the better bet and announced it would have nothing to do with flash.


You make it sound as if it is an "either/or" type of scenario. It's not. There's no reason why they couldn't support both Flash and HTML5 besides Jobs' grudge with Adobe.
 
2012-06-29 04:50:45 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Honest question: Why wouldn't you just use the Amazon app instead of the website in the case of the mobile device? I've never seemed to have any problems with it that I'm aware of, either on iOS or Android.



I haven't used the Amazon app... Maybe it's great, but I can't imagine it would display the same amount of info on the screen as the full website does. And these devices we're using now have pretty big screens, so you can actually make use of it.

Like on my tablet... It's a 10.1" screen I'm holding in my hand. To my eyes that's probably around as big as my 26" screen sitting on my desk.
 
2012-06-29 04:54:47 PM  

mongbiohazard: I haven't used the Amazon app... Maybe it's great, but I can't imagine it would display the same amount of info on the screen as the full website does. And these devices we're using now have pretty big screens, so you can actually make use of it.

Like on my tablet... It's a 10.1" screen I'm holding in my hand. To my eyes that's probably around as big as my 26" screen sitting on my desk.


Totally agree with you on the tablet, but you should give it a shot on your phone. It's really not that bad. It has all the basic information you get on the main page of a product, and like the site you can then drill down for more detailed product info, more reviews, etc. Since I'm an acknowledged Amazon addict, I use it far too much and it's not bad.
 
2012-06-29 04:55:53 PM  
Ever since browsers started isolating flash, so that plugin crashes don't bring down the entire browser, I haven't given any thought to flash.

lordargent.com

// in fact, sometimes I kill the flash process intentionally ;)
[sudo killall plugin-container] results in the instant death of the flash plugin in all browser windows/tabs.
 
2012-06-29 04:56:43 PM  

mjones73: It's not that hard to figure out which one is newer, here they are in order of release...

Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich, Jelly Bean

See the pattern there?



Okay, that solves one problem.

Now make it stop being as grating as listening to two adults talking to each other in baby talk.
 
2012-06-29 04:57:50 PM  

wholedamnshow: way south: Apple decided that HTML5 was the better bet and announced it would have nothing to do with flash.

You make it sound as if it is an "either/or" type of scenario. It's not. There's no reason why they couldn't support both Flash and HTML5 besides Jobs' grudge with Adobe.


I thought along similar lines before this announcement.
But since Android seems to be on the eve of developing a similar grudge, wouldn't you agree there must be more to it than personality?

/Jobs disliked alot of his peers, but his Apple still provided access to their products.
/Up until it costs the company money and time, anyway.
 
2012-06-29 04:57:54 PM  
Adobe is also ending support for Linux. I realize that Android is technically a flavor there-of...but it still seems like Adobe is pulling their forces back and taking cover from something.
 
2012-06-29 05:02:00 PM  
I'm not all that phone-tech savy, but what does this mean for youtube on Androids? Doesn't that USE flash?
 
2012-06-29 05:06:55 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Totally agree with you on the tablet, but you should give it a shot on your phone. It's really not that bad. It has all the basic information you get on the main page of a product, and like the site you can then drill down for more detailed product info, more reviews, etc. Since I'm an acknowledged Amazon addict, I use it far too much and it's not bad.



I'll give it a shot on my phone then. I guess the reason I never installed it on my phone is that when I browse Amazon I'm usually reaching for my tablet. I do use the ebay app on my phone though, and like you I order a ton of shiat from Amazon too.
 
2012-06-29 05:08:23 PM  

zippolight2002: I'm not all that phone-tech savy, but what does this mean for youtube on Androids? Doesn't that USE flash?


No. Google has HTML5 for Youtube.
 
2012-06-29 05:08:47 PM  
That's truly a shame. I still use Flash to watch videos on my tablet all the time.

Oh well, maybe this will light a fire under Blip.TV and others to actually get an HTML5 interface out.
 
2012-06-29 05:10:53 PM  

way south: It could, that's not the problem if I understand this correctly.
Apparently its a combination of bizarre technical and business related issues that keep handheld devices from agreeing with the people who own the flash.

Apple decided that HTML5 was the better bet and announced it would have nothing to do with flash.


The problem with Flash is that it's a resource hog. A core hogging, battery-draining waste of processing power. IIRC you can get it to work on handhelds, but the batteries won't very long. The reason for this (again, IIRC) is that Adobe decided to turn Flash into some sort of multimedia platform.

/and then they shoved Flash into Photoshop, turning that into a slow, buggy hog
//which is why I now use Pixelmator
 
2012-06-29 05:11:48 PM  

phaseolus: tgambitg: phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.

Would you rather them use Jungle Cat based version nicknames(OSX)? Or City based nicknames(Windows)? Or Alliterative Animal based nicknames(Ubuntu Linux)?

The only reason those don't annoy me quite so much is a.) no one cares what the hell Windows OS versions' nicknames are, and b.) I don't have any reason to pay attention to the others.

Me, I like the numbers just fine. Occasionally I'll run across some bad writing by fanboys who assume everyone's going to have the whole list memorized, and then I get angry because I have to go somewhere else to figure out if Zabaglione is more current than Tres Leches Cake and how they both compare to That-Orange-Pudding-at-the-Indian-Buffet-Place.


They're in alphabtical order, you know.

/So are the Ubuntu ones, excepting the first two
 
2012-06-29 05:15:27 PM  
i.imgur.com

STOP COPYING APPLE, YOU ASSHOLES!
 
2012-06-29 05:17:26 PM  
i.imgur.com

STOP COPYING APPLE, YOU ASSHOLES!
 
2012-06-29 05:20:05 PM  

theurge14: [i.imgur.com image 615x444]

STOP COPYING APPLE, YOU ASSHOLES!


Who is copying apple?
 
2012-06-29 05:22:51 PM  

theurge14: [i.imgur.com image 615x444]

STOP COPYING APPLE, YOU ASSHOLES!


12/10.
 
2012-06-29 05:23:39 PM  
I wouldn't know, I don't use my phone for the web and with every new desktop I work at I immediately load flashblock. Sorry, I know this site runs on advertisements but I can't read it with all those distracting animated flash ads. I

*NO CARRIER*
 
2012-06-29 05:25:23 PM  
 
2012-06-29 05:28:02 PM  

NateAsbestos: loonatic112358: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Why wouldn't I complain about them both?

you must use one of them accursed windows phones

OR not be loyal to any one brand. Isn't that kind of the opposite of being a free market consumer?

I have a Samsung Fascinate running some older version of droid. The thing is a piece of crap. Unfortunately I can't tell whether it's the OS or if it's Samsung that makes me hate this phone. It's my first smart phone so I can't tell the difference [no other droid experience, or Samsung without droid].

I'm not overly impressed with iOS either, though. I can biatch about both of them.

And Windows phones... hah.


I think I found your problem... That phone was an utter piece of shiat. It had Google stuff stripped out for Bing crap, due to a deal between Verizon and Microsoft, and it also had defective hardware, causing Samsung to pull it before the normal EoL cycle. That was a phone which should never have been made.
 
JRB
2012-06-29 05:28:41 PM  

HeartBurnKid: That's truly a shame. I still use Flash to watch videos on my tablet all the time.

Oh well, maybe this will light a fire under Blip.TV and others to actually get an HTML5 interface out.


FYI, Adobe is still emphasizing AIR for deploying Flash on tablets (says so there in tfa at the end). Just not from within a browser.
 
2012-06-29 05:28:41 PM  
lol double post. :`(
 
2012-06-29 05:29:26 PM  

change1211: theurge14: [i.imgur.com image 615x444]

STOP COPYING APPLE, YOU ASSHOLES!

12/10.


(bows)
 
2012-06-29 05:31:13 PM  

zippolight2002: I'm not all that phone-tech savy, but what does this mean for youtube on Androids? Doesn't that USE flash?


Not sure because you can configure it to use the native YouTube app, which is far superior (because its native, and all the processing doesn't have a browser in between.)
 
2012-06-29 05:39:17 PM  

JRB: HeartBurnKid: That's truly a shame. I still use Flash to watch videos on my tablet all the time.

Oh well, maybe this will light a fire under Blip.TV and others to actually get an HTML5 interface out.

FYI, Adobe is still emphasizing AIR for deploying Flash on tablets (says so there in tfa at the end). Just not from within a browser.


Yeah, the problem there is that Blip doesn't seem to have an Android app.
 
2012-06-29 05:43:39 PM  
So does this mean Android users will stop biatching about the iPhone and its lack of flash?

No, because a majority of Android users will never be able to upgrade their devices past 2.3.
 
2012-06-29 05:55:41 PM  
So glad my Nexus S is getting it.. Best farking phone I've ever bought... Nexus Line > Carrier / Manufacture supported bullshiat
 
2012-06-29 05:58:14 PM  

theurge14: [i.imgur.com image 615x444]

STOP COPYING APPLE, YOU ASSHOLES!


You should have gone with:
www.jeffreysomers.com
 
2012-06-29 06:01:20 PM  
We could always make fun of it for being twice the price of other smartphones with less programability, I guess. But honestly every single smart-phone out these days is more than up to the task of basic media handling and that's all anyone sane uses them for, so my plan is more along the lines of continuing not to give a fark outside of compatibility issues, just like I have for the last 3 years where the differences have been minimal to nonexistent from a practical standpoint.
 
2012-06-29 06:07:00 PM  
Meh. Between PHP, CSS, and jQuery I haven't used Flash in any web apps for years.
 
2012-06-29 06:10:54 PM  

poot_rootbeer: So does this mean Android users will stop biatching about the iPhone and its lack of flash?

No, because a majority of Android users will never be able to upgrade their devices past 2.3.


Almost all new phones coming out will be running at least 4.0, and some will be running 4.1. Older phones CAN, but it is usually carrier/manufacturer decisions, not Google, holding them back. Usually the carrier. If you root your phone, you can enjoy 4.0/4.1. There's a lot of politics involved, it's not as simple as "Oh hurr durr, they're not gonna get it"
 
2012-06-29 06:18:11 PM  
phaseolus: Now make it stop being as grating as listening to two adults talking to each other in baby talk.

I hope more developers start naming their releases. Because you don't know how much of a pain in the butt it is to search for bugs in specific releases with only version numbers (especially since search engines tend to treat numbers as fluff).

Giving a name gives you a very distinct thing to search on (the more distinct the name, the better, which is why Ubuntu uses TWO names (so that if you search for "lucid lynx", the chances of you ending up with any results that aren't related to ubuntu are very slim).
 
2012-06-29 06:31:41 PM  

tgambitg: Or Alliterative Animal based nicknames(Ubuntu Linux)?


Years ago, when we used to drink a lot of cheap beer while using Ubuntu, my friends and I wanted to create our own folk (not unlike Mint, but probably stylistically more like Slackware, and necessarily inferior because we suck), with more interesting names like Anaerobic Albatross, Bastardly Badger, Hungry Hippo, that sort of thing. We were drunk. It seemed funny at the time.
 
2012-06-29 06:35:26 PM  
My main complaints about iOS have to do with the inability to directly address network storage and its use of data sandboxing, which make files stored on an ithing accessible to only one application and disallow storage of files that don't have an associated app. All of which drive me completely insane.

But yes, flash is crappy and I hate it but it's definitely nice to be able to watch streaming movies on any site where I happen to find one.
 
2012-06-29 06:35:32 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Meh. Between PHP, CSS, and jQuery I haven't used Flash in any web apps for years.


The problem is legacy apps. We have an app we wrote like 10 years ago that does all sorts of options/stock calculations and graphs. In Flash. No way our client is ever going to pay us to re-write it, but thousands of people still use it.

This kinda crap is very disappointing.
 
2012-06-29 06:36:48 PM  

highendmighty: Tthe follow up article will be about Android's use of Silverlight.


Or maybe Moonlight, though that project always seems to be way behind. Which would be more annoying if it wasn't actually *most* annoying that Silverlight gets used where there's no need for it. I went to an employment website last year that *required* Silverlight to use at all. A damned employment site. It could have run on Linx and been just as useful. It could have been a damned print organ and been just as useful. If you don't need whizbangs, they're just annoying.
 
2012-06-29 06:37:58 PM  

likefunbutnot: My main complaints about iOS have to do with the inability to directly address network storage and its use of data sandboxing, which make files stored on an ithing accessible to only one application and disallow storage of files that don't have an associated app. All of which drive me completely insane.


Wow, that is crappy. My un-rooted Android can access files directly on my LAN. I can grab a Word doc, Excel sheet, mp3, video, whatever if I need it quickly.
 
2012-06-29 07:11:18 PM  

downstairs: likefunbutnot: My main complaints about iOS have to do with the inability to directly address network storage and its use of data sandboxing, which make files stored on an ithing accessible to only one application and disallow storage of files that don't have an associated app. All of which drive me completely insane.

Wow, that is crappy. My un-rooted Android can access files directly on my LAN. I can grab a Word doc, Excel sheet, mp3, video, whatever if I need it quickly.


So can my iPhone and iPad.
 
2012-06-29 07:25:02 PM  
Sliight threadjack and request for owners of newer HTC devices:

1. Create an all day calendar entry for two days in the future. (July 1st), ensuring you don't have anything for tomorrow.
2. Add the 1x4 HTC calendar widget to a home screen
3. Let me know if that widget says "Tomorrow:*Event Name* all day"

That's what my Desire HD has been doing forever. That widget is telling me that tomorrow is Canada Day, when it should be Sunday (and yes, it's obviously correct in my Calendar)

Thanks.
 
2012-06-29 07:28:47 PM  

bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.


Just like apples hardware when they release it ..zing
 
2012-06-29 07:30:29 PM  
Android 4.1? Thats like 2 operating systems from now... i'm still waiting for ICS on my Android.
 
2012-06-29 07:36:49 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: So can my iPhone and iPad.


Not without either rooting or dealing with the incredibly sucktacular limitations of data sandboxing.
 
2012-06-29 07:42:27 PM  

Nexzus: Sliight threadjack and request for owners of newer HTC devices:

1. Create an all day calendar entry for two days in the future. (July 1st), ensuring you don't have anything for tomorrow.
2. Add the 1x4 HTC calendar widget to a home screen
3. Let me know if that widget says "Tomorrow:*Event Name* all day"

That's what my Desire HD has been doing forever. That widget is telling me that tomorrow is Canada Day, when it should be Sunday (and yes, it's obviously correct in my Calendar)

Thanks.


Just tried it on my Evo 4G LTE and it's working correctly. It says "All day Sun Jul 1". I think I found your problem though: Canada

/Did I just get trolled into adding Canada Day to my calender?
 
2012-06-29 07:50:58 PM  

RexTalionis: downstairs: RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).

Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?

No, I mean Amazon Instant Video. The android app for watching Amazon VOD natively is restricted to the Kindle Fire. The only way to watch is with a flash player on Amazon.


Have you tried the Dolphin HD browser? It allows you a "desktop" mode that runs the standard Amazon video player?
 
2012-06-29 07:54:35 PM  

Juxtaposed Concepts: RexTalionis: downstairs: RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).

Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?

No, I mean Amazon Instant Video. The android app for watching Amazon VOD natively is restricted to the Kindle Fire. The only way to watch is with a flash player on Amazon.

Have you tried the Dolphin HD browser? It allows you a "desktop" mode that runs the standard Amazon video player?


That's what I'm running. It runs it, but if future Androids don't have Flash support, then Amazon's site will be inaccessible unless Amazon redesigns.
 
2012-06-29 08:01:41 PM  
objective-c ... about all you need to make fun of any ios device. It falls under the same category as COBOL, it cripples the mind and therefore should be regarded as a criminal offense to teach or promote it's use.
 
2012-06-29 09:29:42 PM  

divx88: objective-c ... about all you need to make fun of any ios device.


If you really wanted to make fun of an iOS device, you should point out that Apple's billing system doesn't understand how to work with paypal or any credit card overseas (especially those from US territories).
If a vague programming snafu is chuckle worthy, a corporation that can't figure out how to accept money from customers must be hysterical.

/Especially all these years.
/You gotta wonder how much money they've lost on that alone.
 
2012-06-29 09:41:12 PM  

downstairs: Ed Finnerty: Meh. Between PHP, CSS, and jQuery I haven't used Flash in any web apps for years.

The problem is legacy apps. We have an app we wrote like 10 years ago that does all sorts of options/stock calculations and graphs. In Flash. No way our client is ever going to pay us to re-write it, but thousands of people still use it.

This kinda crap is very disappointing.


Yeah, I understand where you're coming from.

At this rate, there's going to be a secondary internet called "legacynet" that will be used exclusively by legacy apps and IE6.
 
2012-06-29 09:52:55 PM  

Ed Finnerty: At this rate, there's going to be a secondary internet called "legacynet" that will be used exclusively by legacy apps and IE6.


Made for old people? With large fonts, and loud volume levels?
 
2012-06-29 09:56:00 PM  
Maybe they'll stop in several years after they've all managed to update to 4.1 ...
 
2012-06-29 10:14:24 PM  
Since I'm on a Verizon Galaxy Nexus, I wont have to worry about this for at least 6 months, since they JUST got me the 4.04 update a couple weeks ago.
 
2012-06-29 10:38:17 PM  
It's not smart to have flash available when you're making an app market. It's Adobe's fault for not pushing a signed controlled app solution that could work with the app markets rather than compete as a free market killer.
 
2012-06-29 10:43:48 PM  

divx88: objective-c ... about all you need to make fun of any ios device. It falls under the same category as COBOL, it cripples the mind and therefore should be regarded as a criminal offense to teach or promote it's use.


Obj-C has some really awesome language features, and honestly, its memory management is the best thing since immutable memory, a la LISP. It's also a syntactically bizarre retrofit that combines the worst aspects of C with the worst aspects of C++ and hides it behind Ada-like syntax, except when it doesn't.

But iOS doesn't require that you develop in Obj-C anymore. They just recommend it.
 
2012-06-29 10:45:16 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Since I'm on a Verizon Galaxy Nexus, I wont have to worry about this for at least 6 months, since they JUST got me the 4.04 update a couple weeks ago.


There's actually a rom of Jellybean, ported from the GSM Galaxy Nexus, on XDA right now, if you want it.
 
2012-06-29 11:31:27 PM  

mongbiohazard: Shrugging Atlas: Honest question: Why wouldn't you just use the Amazon app instead of the website in the case of the mobile device? I've never seemed to have any problems with it that I'm aware of, either on iOS or Android.


I haven't used the Amazon app... Maybe it's great, but I can't imagine it would display the same amount of info on the screen as the full website does. And these devices we're using now have pretty big screens, so you can actually make use of it.

Like on my tablet... It's a 10.1" screen I'm holding in my hand. To my eyes that's probably around as big as my 26" screen sitting on my desk.


The app is ok, but I also prefer the full-site. Pinch-control, double-tap to fit, & other basic smart phone functions are more efficient to me than clicking buttons to move from product to details to reviews, etc.

Just let me take my finger and move your page around if I want.
Others may prefer the tighter layout and I get that. It's just presumptuous to not provide the option.

/ESPN is one example of a mobile app that Is damn near unusable.
 
2012-06-29 11:53:10 PM  

Nem Wan: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs (2010)


Thoughts on Steve Jobs by Flash (RIP)
 
2012-06-30 12:15:33 AM  

lordargent: phaseolus: Now make it stop being as grating as listening to two adults talking to each other in baby talk.

I hope more developers start naming their releases. Because you don't know how much of a pain in the butt it is to search for bugs in specific releases with only version numbers (especially since search engines tend to treat numbers as fluff).

Giving a name gives you a very distinct thing to search on (the more distinct the name, the better, which is why Ubuntu uses TWO names (so that if you search for "lucid lynx", the chances of you ending up with any results that aren't related to ubuntu are very slim).


Ok, that makes sense, but --

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-30 01:02:00 AM  
Flash sucks and Androids are for people who think they know more about technology than you do. They don't. And they secretly just want a goddamn iPhone already. But they'll never admit it and will always say their Androids are far superior.

You know why Android phones really suck though? No Plants vs. Zombies.
 
2012-06-30 01:21:24 AM  

Cymbal: You know why Android phones really suck though? No Plants vs. Zombies.


I know you're trolling, but ummm... yeah.
 
2012-06-30 01:23:45 AM  

Cymbal: Flash sucks and Androids are for people who think they know more about technology than you do. They don't. And they secretly just want a goddamn iPhone already. But they'll never admit it and will always say their Androids are far superior.

You know why Android phones really suck though? No Plants vs. Zombies.


You must seriously be trolling... I've had PvZ on my phone for well over a year. I can do more way more of the things I want to do with my Android phone than an iPhone, I can change almost every interface on the phone so I get it exactly how I want it to look. I have multiple ways to get an app, be it Google Play Store, Amazon Appstore, GetJAR, whatever.

Plants vs. Zombies (Google Play Store link)
Plants vs. Zombies (Amazon Appstore link)

Apple has some great things going for it as well. The retina display is beautiful (though the HTC Rezound and Sony Xperia S now have the highest PPI (342 vs the Retina's 326) screen available currently, and they have a bigger screen and aspect ratio). Plus they also have the aftermarket docks and such because of the iPod.

As far as the claim of people knowing more about technology, it's true in some cases, and not true in others. That is too sweeping of a generalization to be accurate. If I secretly wanted an iPhone, I would have bought an iPhone. I wanted an Android phone, so I bought an Android phone. My next phone will also be an Android phone.
 
2012-06-30 01:50:29 AM  

lordargent: Ever since browsers started isolating flash, so that plugin crashes don't bring down the entire browser, I haven't given any thought to flash.

[lordargent.com image 381x235]

// in fact, sometimes I kill the flash process intentionally ;)
[sudo killall plugin-container] results in the instant death of the flash plugin in all browser windows/tabs.


Sweet. I got sick and tired of npviewer.bin taking a puke over everything.
 
2012-06-30 06:42:35 AM  

downstairs:
Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.


*holds up 2nd Gen iPad*

Much higher resolution than a phone or at least a much larger screen but the mobile sites generally look like ass on it and if you fiddle with the browser-ID strings you'll often end up with a site crashing the browser. Fark is actually quite a good example of this; the mobile site sucks balls on my iPad (I assume it'd be just peachy on an actual phone) and the full fat site often misbehaves on mobile Safari.

There seems to be a disconnect somewhere about what sort of devices are out and about in the wild when it comes to making mobile sites; although I can kinda understand designers not wanting to do 3 versions.
 
2012-06-30 07:57:56 AM  

loonatic112358: Ed Finnerty: At this rate, there's going to be a secondary internet called "legacynet" that will be used exclusively by legacy apps and IE6.

Made for old people? With large fonts, and loud volume levels?


We laugh but this could be a billion-dollar idea.

We could even add a watermark to all webpages that reads, "Powered by AOL".
 
2012-06-30 12:16:06 PM  

exick: kingoomieiii: No, they're hiding it on the Play store from devices it isn't already on. You can still side-load it, it just might not work very well.

And they aren't certifying any devices from 4.1 and beyond (apparently) so it won't come pre-loaded.


So people fail at reading comprehension, flash is pre-installed on certified devices and will still work.

The biggest difference between iPhone and android that I will make fun of is that when you buy an android device its yours to do as you please while apple limits what they allow you to do with a device YOU OWN.

That's what always pissed me off about my iPhone, that I couldn't put shiat on it that I wanted.

/f@ck apple
//Samsung kicks their asses
 
2012-06-30 12:43:45 PM  

Ed Finnerty: We laugh but this could be a billion-dollar idea.We could even add a watermark to all webpages that reads, "PoweredSponsored by AOL".



And make an easy to use skin of winamp for them to play music with

/I love winamp, hate it's masters
 
2012-06-30 04:17:32 PM  

Without Fail: Nem Wan: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs (2010)

Thoughts on Steve Jobs by Flash (RIP)


Thoughts on Steve Jobs by Sam & Dean Winchester.
s14.postimage.org
 
2012-07-01 01:12:09 AM  
All this is going to choose is chase people away from Android, same as what happened to iPhone. I guess its Windows 7.8 from here on out.
 
2012-07-02 04:05:18 AM  

JRB: HeartBurnKid: That's truly a shame. I still use Flash to watch videos on my tablet all the time.

Oh well, maybe this will light a fire under Blip.TV and others to actually get an HTML5 interface out.

FYI, Adobe is still emphasizing AIR for deploying Flash on tablets (says so there in tfa at the end). Just not from within a browser.



AIR actually puts the lie to Apple's claims of why they didn't want to allow in-browser Flash. It has nothing to do with stability (a plugin destabilizing a browser indicates bad plugin management by the browser anyway), little to do with battery life (if something is draining the battery, people can just disable it). It's more about them not wanting apps played off the web rather then through the App Store, and not wanting easy cross-platform development. (They wanted to keep even AIR off iOS, but they had to back down before the FTC smacked them down with an antitrust suit.)

Don't be shocked if Apple eventually tries something obnoxious to slightly sabotage use of HTML5-based apps. (Possibly claiming some limitation is for the sake of, say, security, performance, or stability.)

/indirect link because the Fark link-checker is being a pain about linking directly to the Financial Times website
 
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