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(Some Guy)   No more flash support for Android starting with 4.1. So does this mean Android users will stop biatching about the iPhone and its lack of flash?   (blogs.adobe.com) divider line 111
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2012-06-29 11:27:47 AM
blog.stuttgarter-zeitung.de
 
2012-06-29 11:36:38 AM
No, now I'll just complain about Android 4.1 not having flash, either.

Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).
 
2012-06-29 11:43:49 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-29 11:56:52 AM
I'll still laugh at the iPhone, I just won't mention flash in the argument.
 
2012-06-29 12:14:15 PM
No, they're hiding it on the Play store from devices it isn't already on. You can still side-load it, it just might not work very well.
 
2012-06-29 12:27:11 PM

kingoomieiii: No, they're hiding it on the Play store from devices it isn't already on. You can still side-load it, it just might not work very well.


And they aren't certifying any devices from 4.1 and beyond (apparently) so it won't come pre-loaded.
 
2012-06-29 01:09:12 PM
There's apps for the iPhone that actually will play flash.
 
2012-06-29 02:29:37 PM

RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).


Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?
 
2012-06-29 02:57:31 PM
isn't html 5 supposed to eliminate flash, just like mob rule would likely want
 
2012-06-29 02:57:34 PM

downstairs: RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).

Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?


No, I mean Amazon Instant Video. The android app for watching Amazon VOD natively is restricted to the Kindle Fire. The only way to watch is with a flash player on Amazon.
 
2012-06-29 02:59:16 PM
No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.
 
2012-06-29 03:09:05 PM
I don't know about that, but if a call block app for a non-jailbroken Iphone is not released soon, I'm going to the Droid side.
 
2012-06-29 03:10:16 PM
attempting to care

hnnnnnngggghhh


nope
 
2012-06-29 03:11:14 PM
Hm.. I hope Amazon Instant Video on tablet/mobile isn't affected that much with no new flash patch.
 
2012-06-29 03:13:41 PM
So does this mean that either you write an app (cleared by the phone provider AND the manufacturer) for $, OR you get to use full round-trip HTML page loads? Does this mean that Javascript won't work? Does this mean that they've all agreed on a single viable version of Javascript?
 
2012-06-29 03:14:20 PM
Why wouldn't I complain about them both?
 
2012-06-29 03:17:31 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Why wouldn't I complain about them both?


you must use one of them accursed windows phones
 
2012-06-29 03:23:56 PM
Wait, you mean you can just install the old version even though it won't be preloaded or on the market? WOW!

http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/archived-flash-player-versions . html
 
2012-06-29 03:24:33 PM
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urghhhh..
 
2012-06-29 03:25:16 PM

bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.


Much like the "Apple can do no wrong" crowd is? There are always extremes in both camps and both are hilariously stupid and blind. Apple and Android both have a place in the mobile world, and I wouldn't want that to change one bit. Both have matured enough in the market that they are figuring out ways to be more like each other. Though in the case of Apple, it's more "Oh, those are nice features that Android has" and creates their own version, while if a company like Samsung comes out with something that is remotely like Apple's, it's Sue! Injunction!.
 
2012-06-29 03:26:00 PM

RexTalionis: downstairs: RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).

Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?

No, I mean Amazon Instant Video. The android app for watching Amazon VOD natively is restricted to the Kindle Fire. The only way to watch is with a flash player on Amazon.


Gotcha, sorry. I don't use that, so I didn't associate it with the video thing they offer. I still think of them just as a store.
 
2012-06-29 03:27:01 PM
Sideloading. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-06-29 03:34:37 PM
Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.
 
2012-06-29 03:37:26 PM

phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.


Would you rather them use Jungle Cat based version nicknames(OSX)? Or City based nicknames(Windows)? Or Alliterative Animal based nicknames(Ubuntu Linux)?
 
2012-06-29 03:40:30 PM

loonatic112358: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Why wouldn't I complain about them both?

you must use one of them accursed windows phones


OR not be loyal to any one brand. Isn't that kind of the opposite of being a free market consumer?

I have a Samsung Fascinate running some older version of droid. The thing is a piece of crap. Unfortunately I can't tell whether it's the OS or if it's Samsung that makes me hate this phone. It's my first smart phone so I can't tell the difference [no other droid experience, or Samsung without droid].

I'm not overly impressed with iOS either, though. I can biatch about both of them.

And Windows phones... hah.
 
2012-06-29 03:43:36 PM

loonatic112358: isn't html 5 supposed to eliminate flash, just like mob rule would likely want


In an ideal world but people with functioning flash websites don't want to spend the money to rebuild their site.

Also, sideloading will solve that problem.
 
2012-06-29 03:47:21 PM
Blow me.
 
2012-06-29 03:47:31 PM
I have two Nexus 7's on order, with one of the small ancillary benefits being "Hey, and they can at least run Flash".

Not so fast there, boy.
 
2012-06-29 03:57:08 PM

phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.


It's Jelly Bean , in case you're wondering.
 
2012-06-29 04:05:47 PM

majestic: I don't know about that, but if a call block app for a non-jailbroken Iphone is not released soon, I'm going to the Droid side.


Do you mean the one that's being released in iOS6?
 
2012-06-29 04:06:07 PM

tgambitg: phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.

Would you rather them use Jungle Cat based version nicknames(OSX)? Or City based nicknames(Windows)? Or Alliterative Animal based nicknames(Ubuntu Linux)?


The only reason those don't annoy me quite so much is a.) no one cares what the hell Windows OS versions' nicknames are, and b.) I don't have any reason to pay attention to the others.

Me, I like the numbers just fine. Occasionally I'll run across some bad writing by fanboys who assume everyone's going to have the whole list memorized, and then I get angry because I have to go somewhere else to figure out if Zabaglione is more current than Tres Leches Cake and how they both compare to That-Orange-Pudding-at-the-Indian-Buffet-Place.
 
2012-06-29 04:06:58 PM

Cheese eating surrender monkey: phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.

It's Jelly Bean , in case you're wondering.




AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
 
2012-06-29 04:12:59 PM
www.geeky-gadgets.com
 
2012-06-29 04:13:28 PM

bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.


So the iPhone does support flash?
 
2012-06-29 04:17:07 PM
Tthe follow up article will be about Android's use of Silverlight.
 
2012-06-29 04:26:37 PM
No

HotWingConspiracy: bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.

So the iPhone does support flash?


No, just greed, egomania, profound narcissism and sick profit margins.
 
2012-06-29 04:32:03 PM

downstairs: RexTalionis: Or complain that certain websites haven't updated their content to HTML5 (*cough*Amazon*cough*).

Yeah, but when you go to Amazon on a mobile device, it takes you to their trimmed-down mobile site. Which is a good thing.

Why would you want to load the entire amazon.com site- the one you get on your PC or Mac desktop machine- on a mobile device?



I sure would!

For one thing, I farking hate mobile sites... often they don't even display correctly, and on a modern smartphone there's usually no real reason not to display the full site. Modern smartphones have been able to handle the full sites for years now. Whenever given the option I switch to full - but then again, I have a pretty good smartphone (HTC EVO 4G).

For the other, I'm often browsing on my Android tablet. It's a 10.1" screen. On that there's REALLY no reason for it to display the mobile site, but many sites still recognize it as a mobile device and spit out the mobile version. On some I can choose the full site, but not all sites offer that, which bugs me.
 
2012-06-29 04:32:32 PM

phaseolus: tgambitg: phaseolus: Skimmed tfa, didn't notice any cutesy-poo dessert-based Android version nicknames, and rejoiced. Those annoy me more than they ought to.

Would you rather them use Jungle Cat based version nicknames(OSX)? Or City based nicknames(Windows)? Or Alliterative Animal based nicknames(Ubuntu Linux)?

The only reason those don't annoy me quite so much is a.) no one cares what the hell Windows OS versions' nicknames are, and b.) I don't have any reason to pay attention to the others.

Me, I like the numbers just fine. Occasionally I'll run across some bad writing by fanboys who assume everyone's going to have the whole list memorized, and then I get angry because I have to go somewhere else to figure out if Zabaglione is more current than Tres Leches Cake and how they both compare to That-Orange-Pudding-at-the-Indian-Buffet-Place.


It's not that hard to figure out which one is newer, here they are in order of release...

Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich, Jelly Bean

See the pattern there?
 
2012-06-29 04:33:35 PM
I left out Honeycomb, it goes between Gingerbread and ICS. In all fairness, it was a tablet only version and never made it on the phones...
 
2012-06-29 04:35:42 PM

HotWingConspiracy: bingethinker: No Subby. The anti-Apple propaganda that the iHaters parrot is always years out of date.

So the iPhone does support flash?


It could, that's not the problem if I understand this correctly.
Apparently its a combination of bizarre technical and business related issues that keep handheld devices from agreeing with the people who own the flash.

Apple decided that HTML5 was the better bet and announced it would have nothing to do with flash. Android is opting to cut the painter instead and hopes no one notices they've abandoned their sales pitch.

/Personally I wonder why they couldn't just make it a "For sale" option.
/Let the people who want it pay people who think they can write browsers for it.
/Everyone else realizes people with expendable cash own tablets.
/Since flash gets between salesmen and the money, it will disappear.
 
2012-06-29 04:40:08 PM
I'd just like to take this opportunity to state how farking much I enjoy my new Galaxy S III.

I went from an iPhone4 to an HTC One X about a month ago, but the HTC bricked on my after about a week, so I held out for this thing.

/wondering if/when they'll update to Jelly Bean
 
2012-06-29 04:45:20 PM

mongbiohazard: I sure would!

For one thing, I farking hate mobile sites... often they don't even display correctly, and on a modern smartphone there's usually no real reason not to display the full site. Modern smartphones have been able to handle the full sites for years now. Whenever given the option I switch to full - but then again, I have a pretty good smartphone (HTC EVO 4G).

For the other, I'm often browsing on my Android tablet. It's a 10.1" screen. On that there's REALLY no reason for it to display the mobile site, but many sites still recognize it as a mobile device and spit out the mobile version. On some I can choose the full site, but not all sites offer that, which bugs me.


Honest question: Why wouldn't you just use the Amazon app instead of the website in the case of the mobile device? I've never seemed to have any problems with it that I'm aware of, either on iOS or Android.
 
2012-06-29 04:45:34 PM
Could care less about Flash. Until the iPhone has text-entry comparable to Swype, nothing will make me give up my Android phone.
 
2012-06-29 04:47:48 PM

way south: Apple decided that HTML5 was the better bet and announced it would have nothing to do with flash.


You make it sound as if it is an "either/or" type of scenario. It's not. There's no reason why they couldn't support both Flash and HTML5 besides Jobs' grudge with Adobe.
 
2012-06-29 04:50:45 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Honest question: Why wouldn't you just use the Amazon app instead of the website in the case of the mobile device? I've never seemed to have any problems with it that I'm aware of, either on iOS or Android.



I haven't used the Amazon app... Maybe it's great, but I can't imagine it would display the same amount of info on the screen as the full website does. And these devices we're using now have pretty big screens, so you can actually make use of it.

Like on my tablet... It's a 10.1" screen I'm holding in my hand. To my eyes that's probably around as big as my 26" screen sitting on my desk.
 
2012-06-29 04:54:47 PM

mongbiohazard: I haven't used the Amazon app... Maybe it's great, but I can't imagine it would display the same amount of info on the screen as the full website does. And these devices we're using now have pretty big screens, so you can actually make use of it.

Like on my tablet... It's a 10.1" screen I'm holding in my hand. To my eyes that's probably around as big as my 26" screen sitting on my desk.


Totally agree with you on the tablet, but you should give it a shot on your phone. It's really not that bad. It has all the basic information you get on the main page of a product, and like the site you can then drill down for more detailed product info, more reviews, etc. Since I'm an acknowledged Amazon addict, I use it far too much and it's not bad.
 
2012-06-29 04:55:53 PM
Ever since browsers started isolating flash, so that plugin crashes don't bring down the entire browser, I haven't given any thought to flash.

lordargent.com

// in fact, sometimes I kill the flash process intentionally ;)
[sudo killall plugin-container] results in the instant death of the flash plugin in all browser windows/tabs.
 
2012-06-29 04:56:43 PM

mjones73: It's not that hard to figure out which one is newer, here they are in order of release...

Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich, Jelly Bean

See the pattern there?



Okay, that solves one problem.

Now make it stop being as grating as listening to two adults talking to each other in baby talk.
 
2012-06-29 04:57:50 PM

wholedamnshow: way south: Apple decided that HTML5 was the better bet and announced it would have nothing to do with flash.

You make it sound as if it is an "either/or" type of scenario. It's not. There's no reason why they couldn't support both Flash and HTML5 besides Jobs' grudge with Adobe.


I thought along similar lines before this announcement.
But since Android seems to be on the eve of developing a similar grudge, wouldn't you agree there must be more to it than personality?

/Jobs disliked alot of his peers, but his Apple still provided access to their products.
/Up until it costs the company money and time, anyway.
 
2012-06-29 04:57:54 PM
Adobe is also ending support for Linux. I realize that Android is technically a flavor there-of...but it still seems like Adobe is pulling their forces back and taking cover from something.
 
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