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2012-06-29 04:44:18 PM

HighZoolander: I actually agree (sort of) with one thing - homosexuals should not be granted *special* legal entitlements. But they absolutely should be given the ordinary legal entitlements that everyone else gets, like marriage rights and everything else that heterosexuals are entitled to.


/I think exceptions for hate crimes and discrimination are good too, so maybe I don't agree at all with the Republicans
//no shocker there


I don't disagree at all. Unfortunately, gay normalcy constitutes a special entitlement in their eyes.

It's a rather interesting abuse of logic --

The current law is discriminatory. So to achieve equality the law must be changed for a specific group that is disadvantaged. Ergo, gays would be receiving a special entitlement because it's being done just for them.
 
2012-06-29 04:44:43 PM
www.a-w-i-p.com

/more obligatory
 
2012-06-29 04:44:52 PM
From wiki:

"The simplest thinking skills are learning facts and recall, while higher order skills include critical thinking, analysis, and problem solving."

So they didn't mean to include opposition to the teaching of critical thinking, just higher order thinking skills that include critical thinking?

/Fark the GOP
 
2012-06-29 04:48:33 PM

jabelar: The funny thing is that if you believe that your beliefs are the truth, then you shouldn't be scare of any challenge. I certainly allow my kids to investigate beliefs that I don't believe in, because I'm pretty confident that they can figure it out.

Basically, in this case the Republicans are admitting that their belief system is too fragile to stand up to questioning.


QFT motherf*cker

Notice how it's always a dogwhistle with conservatives. They don't have the balls to outlaw evolution and just teach Biblical theory, even though that's what they want. Instead, they propose teaching both, and then make small changes to the textbooks, etc. If you call them out, they don't have the courage to straight-up say "yeah, I'm super religious and this is what I want," because it makes them sound like theocrats, and they know it. Too fragile, indeed.
 
2012-06-29 04:49:22 PM

Aarontology: Someday I'm going to hire a bunch of Texans since they'll be ignorant, complacent, and will mindlessly obey any order given to them as long as I say God wants them to or whatever.


You put a longhorns logo and a cross on the bomb and you can get them to blow up their own family.
 
2012-06-29 04:49:30 PM

Phoenix87ta: From wiki:

"The simplest thinking skills are learning facts and recall, while higher order skills include critical thinking, analysis, and problem solving."

So they didn't mean to include opposition to the teaching of critical thinking, just higher order thinking skills that include critical thinking?

/Fark the GOP


They want you to go "Well my church or parents told me so, so I need to believe that not what scientist or experts or data says about this subject." That is what they are saying.
 
2012-06-29 04:50:09 PM

loonatic112358: so homeschool


Ah, going with the 'Say "So why don't you marry them?" after someone says something like "I like M&Ms".' style of argument. Well played.
 
2012-06-29 04:51:07 PM
You know how Scientology hate psychology because it's their kryptonite?

It's the same thing for Republicans and scientists.
 
2012-06-29 04:51:32 PM

TheDirtyNacho: RyansPrivates: Looking forward to the inevitable demographic shift when Texas becomes a blue state because of Hispanic (legal and illegal) immigration.

I saw an interesting graphic the other day:

[www.statesman.com image 619x283]

(Round Rock is an Austin suburb; Plano, McKinney, Denton and Frisco are Dallas suburbs)

The newcomers tend to be young. They don't vote Republican.

The Texas GOP has generally relied on the vast white rural vote that almost always votes GOP. But cities have started swaying recently... Houston has a lesbian mayor for example. It's just a matter of time.


Hah, why are cary and raleigh separate cities? Clearly one metro.
 
2012-06-29 04:53:15 PM
media.noob.us

We cannot stand for such skullduggery in our classrooms.

How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat?
 
2012-06-29 04:53:18 PM
i262.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-29 04:53:32 PM

imontheinternet: We can't let kids learn to think. By the time they're teenagers, they'll be smarter than everybody else and take over. Next thing you know, Logan's Run and Lord of the Flies Keyser Soze and Arcade Fire all over the place.

Being stupid and unquestioning of authority was good enough for me, and it should be good enough for everybody else. Now kids, read your Bible again and quit asking me where clouds come from, because God did it is all you'll ever need to know.


FTFY.
 
2012-06-29 04:54:03 PM

Corvus: Phoenix87ta: From wiki:

"The simplest thinking skills are learning facts and recall, while higher order skills include critical thinking, analysis, and problem solving."

So they didn't mean to include opposition to the teaching of critical thinking, just higher order thinking skills that include critical thinking?

/Fark the GOP

They want you to go "Well my church or parents told me so, so I need to believe that not what scientist or experts or data says about this subject." That is what they are saying.


My point was just that when they say they didn't mean to oppose critical thinking, they're a bunch of lying assbags.
 
2012-06-29 04:55:40 PM

imontheinternet: [media.noob.us image 550x500]

We cannot stand for such skullduggery in our classrooms.

How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat?


And as we all know, deference to authority is always superior to adherence to facts. Goddamit.
 
2012-06-29 04:56:11 PM

loonatic112358: deschinc: Austin could just become a walled city-state with tall towers from which to drop books on the unwashed hordes outside the gates to keep them at bay.

why, that's where the damn fools the article is about have offices, and that's where governor hair is, austin is not just some cool hippy town, it's like the texas version of mos eisley


Lege is only in session every 2 years, then the circus leaves town.
 
2012-06-29 04:57:11 PM
This shall stand forever as a testament to the intellectual quality of Texas.
 
2012-06-29 04:57:22 PM

imontheinternet: [media.noob.us image 550x500]

We cannot stand for such skullduggery in our classrooms.

How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat?


That teacher MUST be high. I mean, look at the date. There's no way he's serious.
 
2012-06-29 04:59:29 PM

imontheinternet: [media.noob.us image 550x500]

We cannot stand for such skullduggery in our classrooms.

How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat?


Please tell me that's fake...
 
2012-06-29 05:00:08 PM
All that thinkin' is for dirty commies and libtards.
 
2012-06-29 05:00:17 PM

Babwa Wawa: The entire platform is 22 pages long. Did nobody read the document?


Polititians don't READ things. They're too important for that.
They get an intern to summarize it.
Then read it TO them.
 
2012-06-29 05:03:14 PM

arcas: We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit.

You know, I've heard lots of people use this as a reason for opposing gay rights but it seems nobody ever explains what they mean by it. How, exactly, does homosexuality contribute to the breakdown of the family unit?


It allows perfectly marriageable men and women to avoid marrying and procreating in the way God intended. If you allow gays to be gay, there won't be enough husbands for Texan women. The only solution then is to either let the women be lesbians or to allow polygyny. And... wait, now that I think about it, that's not such a bad outcome. More women for straight men and lots of lesbo porn to watch!!
 
2012-06-29 05:03:41 PM

Meet Us at the Stick: 120


Meet Us at the Stick: WTF Indeed: "If a privately-purchased bus, fueled by only American gas, leaves the megachurch at 11:30am, and the government-purchased bus filled with loose women and their gay friends leaves the federal office building at 11:15am going the government-mandated speed limit of 45mph. Assuming they are both equally 20 miles away, what's the average speed the bus from the megachurch will have to reach in order to beat the government bus to the abortion clinic?"

Assuming no lights and an instantaneous increase to each's respective velocity, I'd put it at 120mph.

It should get to its destination approximately one and a half minutes before the heathens.


That's ridiculous, at a mere 103 miles per hour, the faithful would arrive a nearly full second before the heathens, who would be too busy sodomizing one another to quickly leave the bus.
 
2012-06-29 05:03:56 PM

twfeline: Babwa Wawa: The entire platform is 22 pages long. Did nobody read the document?

Polititians don't READ things. They're too important for that.
They get an intern to summarize it.
Then read it TO them.


Their platform is nothing but concatenated unrelated sound bites and stand alone quotes. That's what it is used for.
 
2012-06-29 05:05:10 PM
Farkin' liars. Don't those basstards ever get tired of lying?
 
2012-06-29 05:09:03 PM

Diogenes: You accidentally leave your fly open.

You don't accidentally define education philosophy and policy.


Anyway, it certainly jibes with the rest of their "platform":

No homos
No rights for kids
No more Voting Rights Act
No animal tracking (WTF?!?)

And in case you didn't know it, we're apparently under martial law and didn't even know it:

We strongly urge Congress to repeal the War Powers Act and end our declared state of emergency. Any Declaration of Martial law should be approved by Congress.
 
2012-06-29 05:09:21 PM

DeltaPunch: Notice how it's always a dogwhistle with conservatives. They don't have the balls to outlaw evolution and just teach Biblical theory, even though that's what they want. Instead, they propose teaching both, and then make small changes to the textbooks, etc.


Perhaps not the best example: religious idiots did try to outlaw teaching basic biology, repeatedly and with several subjects (evolution, human reproduction, and, weirdly, epidemiology a couple times). The slower, less direct path they're taking now is the one forced on them by the courts repeatedly slapping them down with the separation of church and state, not something they actually want to do.
 
2012-06-29 05:10:00 PM
FTFH: Texas Republicans say they ACCIDENTALLY adopted a platform that opposes critical thinking skills

i75.photobucket.com

It's been a part of the GOP war on knowledge and education since forever. Texas Republicans HATE "book-lernin'" and that includes the incredibly dangerous suggestion that people ask questions they don't have answers to. But now they're too farking cowardly to even defend their bullshiat platform when someone calls them on it.

jabelar: Basically, in this case the Republicans are admitting that their belief system is too fragile to stand up to questioning.


Both their religious beliefs and this particular political belief.
 
2012-06-29 05:10:09 PM

MugzyBrown: Maybe we shouldn't have the government and politicians deciding what is taught in schools


Since no one is offering any defense of the Texicans, allow me to posit the following if only for purposes of actually applying the titular "critical thinking" phrase to the issue at hand.

There is a very real reason why public education IS in fact a function of government and it IS very much government's place to determine what should and should not be taught in schools. Namely, that's why it was invented. Horace Mann, although altruistic as hell, believed that compulsory public education was not only the means by which the poor could be made one class with the rich, but which by people of all social, religious, and ethnic backgrounds could be brought about, by inculcation of civic ideals, to be American.

This was of course at odds with Public Education's earliest American proponent, o'l TJ himself who believed that despite these advantages, no one should be forced into education.

"It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parent's refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by a forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of his father." -Thomas Jefferson

So, basically I am saying that 1) this is an old argument. and 2) you don't have to be an idiot to agree with the republican's position on this one. Its an amalgamation of both Mann and Jefferson. Yes kids need to be educated, but no, it is not the responsibility of the school to displace the will of the parent.

...

...


I don't know why I'm bothering to make this argument. My heart isn't in it.

Bomb Texas.

Really.
 
2012-06-29 05:10:49 PM

Maud Dib: loonatic112358: deschinc: Austin could just become a walled city-state with tall towers from which to drop books on the unwashed hordes outside the gates to keep them at bay.

why, that's where the damn fools the article is about have offices, and that's where governor hair is, austin is not just some cool hippy town, it's like the texas version of mos eisley

Lege is only in session every 2 years, then the circus leaves town.


You say that like it's a bad thing ;> I do stand corrected however.

/never been to Texas, no desire to go
 
2012-06-29 05:12:29 PM
You can expect politicians to read. That's silly.
 
2012-06-29 05:13:30 PM

RobSeace: imontheinternet: [media.noob.us image 550x500]

We cannot stand for such skullduggery in our classrooms.

How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat?

Please tell me that's fake...


not to go all DANRATHERISALIE on it or anything, but i'll be frigged if i remember having a typewriter with 2 (left and right) quote keys on it in 1994.
 
2012-06-29 05:16:15 PM

ArcadianRefugee: True, but


...fair enough.

i840.photobucket.com
I'll allow it!


RobSeace: Please tell me that's fake...


Generally suspected to be, but not proven. However, if it was real, I'd think the Internet would have tracked down the school by now to humiliate the teacher.
 
2012-06-29 05:16:46 PM
Virginia GOP: "Oh, I just didn't realize that the law we were pushing required doctors to shove a wand into the vagina of any woman who wanted an abortion after being raped - I totally missed the last two weeks of people talking about that specific item of the leglislation I introduced"

Texas GOP: "Oh, that complete revision to our education platform that we wrote and published accidenty said we're against teaching kids to think, please don't judge us on it"

Party of Personal Responsibility...
 
2012-06-29 05:17:00 PM

ph0rk: TheDirtyNacho: RyansPrivates: Looking forward to the inevitable demographic shift when Texas becomes a blue state because of Hispanic (legal and illegal) immigration.

I saw an interesting graphic the other day:

[www.statesman.com image 619x283]

(Round Rock is an Austin suburb; Plano, McKinney, Denton and Frisco are Dallas suburbs)

The newcomers tend to be young. They don't vote Republican.

The Texas GOP has generally relied on the vast white rural vote that almost always votes GOP. But cities have started swaying recently... Houston has a lesbian mayor for example. It's just a matter of time.

Hah, why are cary and raleigh separate cities? Clearly one metro.


Cary is technically a city, as much as the mayor hates to call it that. I think the only reason is they actually started in different locations, and merged together. Next thing you know, they will merge, and try to eat Durham, despite the county border.
 
2012-06-29 05:17:11 PM

Diogenes: You accidentally leave your fly open.

You don't accidentally define education philosophy and policy.


You also don't accidentally stick your dick in things, but that doesn't stop republicansshamed political figures from claiming it.
 
2012-06-29 05:22:23 PM

Prevailing Wind: MugzyBrown: Maybe we shouldn't have the government and politicians deciding what is taught in schools

Since no one is offering any defense of the Texicans, allow me to posit the following if only for purposes of actually applying the titular "critical thinking" phrase to the issue at hand.

There is a very real reason why public education IS in fact a function of government and it IS very much government's place to determine what should and should not be taught in schools. Namely, that's why it was invented. Horace Mann, although altruistic as hell, believed that compulsory public education was not only the means by which the poor could be made one class with the rich, but which by people of all social, religious, and ethnic backgrounds could be brought about, by inculcation of civic ideals, to be American.

This was of course at odds with Public Education's earliest American proponent, o'l TJ himself who believed that despite these advantages, no one should be forced into education.

"It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parent's refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by a forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of his father." -Thomas Jefferson

So, basically I am saying that 1) this is an old argument. and 2) you don't have to be an idiot to agree with the republican's position on this one. Its an amalgamation of both Mann and Jefferson. Yes kids need to be educated, but no, it is not the responsibility of the school to displace the will of the parent.

...

...


I don't know why I'm bothering to make this argument. My heart isn't in it.

Bomb Texas.

Really.


By my reading, Jefferson isn't saying it's "not the responsibility of the school to displace the will of the parent."

He's just saying if a parent wants to home school (or no school), let them because it would be more traumatic to take the child by force and educate them than to just leave them be.

/Critical thinking - Jefferson was a fan. Getting into fights with the ignorant- not so much.

//good try though - your explanation (although half hearted) was better than the official explanation of "my pen slipped".
 
2012-06-29 05:22:52 PM
So they're claiming to be stupid, rather than evil?

I'm just gonna play it safe and assume both.
 
2012-06-29 05:23:09 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Virginia GOP: "Oh, I just didn't realize that the law we were pushing required doctors to shove a wand into the vagina of any woman who wanted an abortion after being raped - I totally missed the last two weeks of people talking about that specific item of the leglislation I introduced"

Texas GOP: "Oh, that complete revision to our education platform that we wrote and published accidenty said we're against teaching kids to think, please don't judge us on it"

Party of Personal Responsibility...


Cowardice is a Republican virtue.
 
2012-06-29 05:23:09 PM

TheBigJerk: Diogenes: You accidentally leave your fly open.

You don't accidentally define education philosophy and policy.

You also don't accidentally stick your dick in things, but that doesn't stop republicansshamed political figures from claiming it.


How the hell would that work? You accidentally pull down your pants and trip on the floor right in front of a bed where a completely naked woman was laying spread-eagle?
 
2012-06-29 05:24:01 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [i262.photobucket.com image 400x349]


Well played, sir. Well played.
 
2012-06-29 05:26:52 PM
ALL OF IT?
 
2012-06-29 05:29:58 PM

deschinc: jaylectricity: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /Secede you f*ckers

Not everybody in Texas is like this. If they seceded, many people would have to uproot their families and move to a neighboring state to remain U.S. citizens.

Austin could just become a walled city-state with tall towers from which to drop books on the unwashed hordes outside the gates to keep them at bay.


Yeah but with my luck I'd be on the the wrong side of the chicken-wire curtain. I live in Austin but in Williamson County. It would be like World War Z within days. Maybe my family and the liberals from Dell in Round Rock can fight our way out.

I sense this phrase in the near future "Honey we need to buy more ammo".
 
2012-06-29 05:29:59 PM

heap: RobSeace: imontheinternet: [media.noob.us image 550x500]

We cannot stand for such skullduggery in our classrooms.

How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat?

Please tell me that's fake...

not to go all DANRATHERISALIE on it or anything, but i'll be frigged if i remember having a typewriter with 2 (left and right) quote keys on it in 1994.


IIRC, you COULD get that kind of quote out of an IBM Selectric with a ball-key--you had to change out the standard 10-pitch type with a 12-pitch type that had the slanted quotes--but when was the last time you saw anyone using an IBM Selectric and even knew how to do that? And more importantly, ever knew a teacher who would bother to do it?
 
2012-06-29 05:31:44 PM
I'm going to go with the fact that absolutely no one reads the legislation on which they are voting and rely on others to tell them what to do.

/regardless of political affiliation
 
2012-06-29 05:32:49 PM

Benni K Rok: ph0rk: TheDirtyNacho: RyansPrivates: Looking forward to the inevitable demographic shift when Texas becomes a blue state because of Hispanic (legal and illegal) immigration.

I saw an interesting graphic the other day:

[www.statesman.com image 619x283]

(Round Rock is an Austin suburb; Plano, McKinney, Denton and Frisco are Dallas suburbs)

The newcomers tend to be young. They don't vote Republican.

The Texas GOP has generally relied on the vast white rural vote that almost always votes GOP. But cities have started swaying recently... Houston has a lesbian mayor for example. It's just a matter of time.

Hah, why are cary and raleigh separate cities? Clearly one metro.

Cary is technically a city, as much as the mayor hates to call it that. I think the only reason is they actually started in different locations, and merged together. Next thing you know, they will merge, and try to eat Durham, despite the county border.


Raleigh would have annexed Cary years ago if they could have.

It may be worth noting that one big way that Cary has grown is by the Charlotte method: swallow up more land, get more citizens.

I live west of 55 now so I don't really care anymore.
 
2012-06-29 05:32:57 PM

Prevailing Wind:
"It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parent's refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by a forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of his father." -Thomas Jefferson


We got that covered .... no requirements for book lernin' down here.
 
2012-06-29 05:34:47 PM

mesmer242: I don't know how it is for the Texas GOP, but the Texas Dems (especially at the local conventions) have to beg people to be on the resolutions and platform committee. Generally speaking, crazy people and busy bodies submit to resolutions and platform, which is then looked over by uninterested draftees and obstinate onion-belted folks.

So yeah, that really is probably how it got in.

/planning to volunteer to be on resolutions at the local level in 2014
//can't fix it if you don't try


How do you get to do that? It's time for me to put up or shut up when it comes to local/state politics, especially being a teacher and seeing what they are doing to education. What can I do? I've marched, written letters to my reps, who are just as powerless as I am. What can I do??
 
2012-06-29 05:39:13 PM

tudorgurl: mesmer242: I don't know how it is for the Texas GOP, but the Texas Dems (especially at the local conventions) have to beg people to be on the resolutions and platform committee. Generally speaking, crazy people and busy bodies submit to resolutions and platform, which is then looked over by uninterested draftees and obstinate onion-belted folks.

So yeah, that really is probably how it got in.

/planning to volunteer to be on resolutions at the local level in 2014
//can't fix it if you don't try

How do you get to do that? It's time for me to put up or shut up when it comes to local/state politics, especially being a teacher and seeing what they are doing to education. What can I do? I've marched, written letters to my reps, who are just as powerless as I am. What can I do??


Try getting on your local Grand Jury. They have the right and ability to investigate anything and make recommendations to the legislature based on their investigations. It requires an application and a year's committment, so it's not easy; but if you want to change things and get some practice, the Grand Jury is a great way to start. Check your local court website for how to apply.
 
2012-06-29 05:41:24 PM

LazarusLong42: CapeFearCadaver: We unequivocally oppose the United States Senate's ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Sooo, a child under the age of eighteen is not a human being (and apparently neither are homosexuals) but a fetus is... um... ok.

Came here to make this point.


/threadjack

Just finished reading Methuselah's Children last night, immediately started Moon is a Harsh Mistress, fourth time for each...

Point: cool username bro!

/end threadjack
 
2012-06-29 05:41:35 PM

Serious Black: TheBigJerk: Diogenes: You accidentally leave your fly open.

You don't accidentally define education philosophy and policy.

You also don't accidentally stick your dick in things, but that doesn't stop republicansshamed political figures from claiming it.

How the hell would that work? You accidentally pull down your pants and trip on the floor right in front of a bed where a completely naked woman was laying spread-eagle?


Now, now... mistakes were made...
 
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