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2012-06-29 09:23:23 AM
When Tebow was there he used to just huddle them up, look them in the eye and say, "I'm going to Tebow this thing like Jesus demands I do. When I say hike I want you to let Jesus take the route, and I will find you as he found me.".
 
2012-06-29 09:26:18 AM
At least after last year their hands should be well-rested.
 
2012-06-29 09:48:07 AM
I saw the receivers run a bunch of routes last year, most of the time they were open too. But Tebow never even looked at them, panicked, then ran the ball.
 
2012-06-29 10:02:14 AM
Why run a route when Jesus McBlessed is just going to walk on water to the end zone by himself?
 
2012-06-29 10:14:11 AM
Wow, still so bitter about Tebow?
 
2012-06-29 11:13:15 AM

kronicfeld: At least after last year their hands should be well-rested.


And the bruises on their shins should be healed.
 
2012-06-29 11:17:34 AM

foo monkey: Wow, still so bitter about Tebow?


No, but I'm REALLY not looking forward to the upcoming TSPN 24 hour coverage now that he's in New York.
 
2012-06-29 11:18:04 AM
Manning is gonna have his hands full, working with recievers who have been in the NFL for a couple seasons but who haven't had to actually run routes. That means breaking bad habits. Hopefully he'll be up to the task though. This guy seems to want to live up to the expectations.
 
2012-06-29 11:24:29 AM
So, basically it's gonna be the real life version of his United Way SNL skit.
 
2012-06-29 11:25:47 AM
"You're gonna have to run the whole route tree now. The comebacks, the slants, the posts, the ins. And I didn't have to do that much when I was my first couple of years in the league."

I'm guessing most Tebow haters are going to ignore that Kyle Orton started 18 of those games.
 
2012-06-29 11:28:51 AM

tobcc: I saw the receivers run a bunch of routes last year, most of the time they were open too. But Tebow never even looked at them, panicked, then ran the ball, or threw it into the dirt five yards in front of the receiver.


FTFY
 
2012-06-29 11:30:25 AM

Brubold: "You're gonna have to run the whole route tree now. The comebacks, the slants, the posts, the ins. And I didn't have to do that much when I was my first couple of years in the league."

I'm guessing most Tebow haters are going to ignore that Kyle Orton started 18 of those games.


Or maybe Orton would still be the starter if, you know, the receivers ran their routes
 
2012-06-29 11:34:49 AM
Keep in mind, this is coming from Demaryius Thomas, whose college playbook was as follows:

Play 1: Block the corner
Play 2: block the safety
Play 3: Run down field try to catch a jump ball

/RamblinWreck
 
2012-06-29 11:35:02 AM

foo monkey: Wow, still so bitter about Tebow?


Bitter? I got no dog in this hunt. I'm a Seahawks fan, we are well supplied in our own bitter tears.

This is just a welcome break, watching Denver fawning all over Tebow like the second coming of Elway, then watching Elway himself kick Tebow out with the trash. Comedic gold. And now, Act Two, where the new york media will grind Tebow into a little pile of jesus dust within 8 weeks.

All over a QB who really had no business being in the league in the first place, a borderline pick who somehow over charisma (or mass delusion) based on his own religion, has been elevated beyond the Charlie Whitehurst class of QB and thrust well above his talent grade into the spotlight.

Its awesome.
 
2012-06-29 11:35:35 AM
Ok guys, if you are where you are supposed to be, when you are supposed to be there, I will throw you the ball. If not it's the porta-let for 20 minutes ok?

Thomas! Why is the door open? Close the door! Stay in there, i cant even look at you.
 
2012-06-29 11:44:54 AM
Bullcrap. Denver knows all about these things.

Post: What D.J. Williams isn't allowed to do on Twitter anymore.

Slant: The type of point of view that John Elway and most fans had regarding Tebow, whether positive or negative.

Comeback: What Perrish Cox asked for from the girl he met at a nightclub; it was too late though and she had evidence for her sexual assault accusation.
 
2012-06-29 11:52:30 AM

Brubold: "You're gonna have to run the whole route tree now. The comebacks, the slants, the posts, the ins. And I didn't have to do that much when I was my first couple of years in the league."

I'm guessing most Tebow haters are going to ignore that Kyle Orton started 18 of those games.


I'm still cursing McDaniels. Who's this Orton guy?
 
2012-06-29 12:00:44 PM

BolloxReader: Manning is gonna have his hands full, working with recievers who have been in the NFL for a couple seasons but who haven't had to actually run routes. That means breaking bad habits. Hopefully he'll be up to the task though. This guy seems to want to live up to the expectations.


Depends on how complicated things get in pre-post snap reads. Simply memorizing the routes isn't that hard. Running them isn't much more difficult. The hard part is if he has to pick up blitzes, adjust his route, run option/hot routes based on his reads....and generally making sure that his reads are the same as Peytons.

As an example, Chad Ochocino's problem wasn't an inability run routes or catch the ball...its that he never got on the same page as brady and the rest of the receivers...So he was zigging, when he should have been zagging...
 
2012-06-29 12:31:50 PM

tobcc: I saw the receivers run a bunch of routes last year, most of the time they were open too. But Tebow never even looked at them, panicked, then ran the ball.


I think you meant to say that he showed a lot of heart! He just went out there and gave it his best! He's a real good kid who is not like all the other thugs in the league who are smoking the reefers and listening to the rap music that goes "grab jab baby wanna stick it in ya!"

/can't wait for week 4 when sanchez is sucking and tebowmania II gets started
 
2012-06-29 12:34:52 PM

KFBR392: Chad Ochocino's problem wasn't an inability run routes


That was exactly his problem, dude ran three routes in Cincinnati. When he had option reads and all sorts of other things worked in he looked like a second grader in Calculus.
 
rka
2012-06-29 12:41:19 PM

BolloxReader: Manning is gonna have his hands full, working with recievers who have been in the NFL for a couple seasons but who haven't had to actually run routes. That means breaking bad habits. Hopefully he'll be up to the task though. This guy seems to want to live up to the expectations.


The talk about Eric Decker when he came into the league was that he was a superb route runner coming out of Minnestota.

I think he'll be fine.

Brandon Stokley is also back with the Broncos. I think he'll be fine too.
 
2012-06-29 12:44:59 PM

KFBR392: Depends on how complicated things get in pre-post snap reads. Simply memorizing the routes isn't that hard. Running them isn't much more difficult. The hard part is if he has to pick up blitzes, adjust his route, run option/hot routes based on his reads....and generally making sure that his reads are the same as Peytons.


That's the thing to remember too - for all of Peyton's yelling and changing plays at the line of scrimmage, only the backs and the O-line/TEs can understand him. Especially in a loud arena, the WRs are pretty much on their own to understand what the audible is going to be based upon the defensive set. This is the thing that made the no-names in Indy so successful over the years - you didn't have to be a stud WR with the fastest legs or the best hands, if you were smart and could run a route that exploited a hole in the defense, Manning would get you the ball. Just wait and see Garcon's epic fail with the Redskins this year to see what happens when you take a system player and set them on an island. But the players in Indy were picked up with that very intent in mind - not so sure about the Denver players.
 
2012-06-29 12:48:10 PM
I don't give 2 shiats about Tebow, Orton, or even Manning. What I see here is basically a professional wide receiver stating publicly that he didn't know how to play wide receiver professionally. If I were a Broncos fan, I would find that disturbing.
 
2012-06-29 12:50:42 PM

MysticSavage: So, basically it's gonna be the real life version of his United Way SNL skit.


"I throw the ball. You catch it. IT'S NOT HARD!"
 
2012-06-29 12:55:42 PM

Crewmannumber6: I don't give 2 shiats about Tebow, Orton, or even Manning. What I see here is basically a professional wide receiver stating publicly that he didn't know how to play wide receiver professionally. If I were a Broncos fan, I would find that disturbing.


They have to prioritize it behind the terrible run defense, 5 out of their first 7 games are against playoff teams, incompatible RB's for their new offense (save for the rookie Hillman), a 36 year old QB that might get broken in half if he gets hit slightly askew, an unhearlded group at safety, and the possibility Champ is done.
 
rka
2012-06-29 01:01:08 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Crewmannumber6: I don't give 2 shiats about Tebow, Orton, or even Manning. What I see here is basically a professional wide receiver stating publicly that he didn't know how to play wide receiver professionally. If I were a Broncos fan, I would find that disturbing.

They have to prioritize it behind the terrible run defense, 5 out of their first 7 games are against playoff teams, incompatible RB's for their new offense (save for the rookie Hillman), a 36 year old QB that might get broken in half if he gets hit slightly askew, an unhearlded group at safety, and the possibility Champ is done.


And despite all that they are still the odds on favorite to win the AFC West.
 
2012-06-29 01:04:54 PM

Brubold: "You're gonna have to run the whole route tree now. The comebacks, the slants, the posts, the ins. And I didn't have to do that much when I was my first couple of years in the league."

I'm guessing most Tebow haters are going to ignore that Kyle Orton started 18 of those games.


Thomas also didn't play in most of those games, thanks to his being made of gossamer and Josh McDaniel's idea that a giant should return kickoffs.
 
2012-06-29 01:08:28 PM

rka: And despite all that they are still the odds on favorite to win the AFC West.


The Raiders still have some Al Davis stupidity to clear out, SD still has a Norv Turner problem and as far as I can determine, 78% of the Chiefs are coming back from ACL surgery.

Assuming Manning plays, Denver has to be the default favorite.
 
2012-06-29 01:13:03 PM

rka: And despite all that they are still the odds on favorite to win the AFC West.


Let the dumb money talk, it also took their SB odds down to something like 12:1. Makes KC's odds for the division and SB that much better.

/I know, but of all the long shots they're the least blech inducing.
 
2012-06-29 01:22:42 PM

Rapmaster2000: tobcc: I saw the receivers run a bunch of routes last year, most of the time they were open too. But Tebow never even looked at them, panicked, then ran the ball.

I think you meant to say that he showed a lot of heart! He just went out there and gave it his best! He's a real good kid who is not like all the other thugs in the league who are smoking the reefers and listening to the rap music that goes "grab jab baby wanna stick it in ya!"

/can't wait for week 4 when sanchez is sucking and tebowmania II gets started


Tebow will suffer a season ending injury covering punts well before it is time to replace Sanchize. I hope not because I agree that the media shiatstorm over 2 below average QBs would be highlarious. But fact is guys cheapshotted Tebowner all the time and he is not smart enough to realize or his faith will blind him to the fact that he needs to keep his head on a swivel because guys are gunning for him.
 
2012-06-29 01:28:19 PM

Crewmannumber6: I don't give 2 shiats about Tebow, Orton, or even Manning. What I see here is basically a professional wide receiver stating publicly that he didn't know how to play wide receiver professionally. If I were a Broncos fan, I would find that disturbing.


We knew that when he was drafted. See also levarians post. Randy Moss made a pretty good career of being bigger faster and able to outjump the guy covering him. I don't think Thomas will put up Moss kind of numbers but as he showed on that game winning play in the playoffs he is a threat to score anytime you leave him in single coverage. That's worth something.
 
2012-06-29 01:32:33 PM

elguerodiablo: Crewmannumber6: I don't give 2 shiats about Tebow, Orton, or even Manning. What I see here is basically a professional wide receiver stating publicly that he didn't know how to play wide receiver professionally. If I were a Broncos fan, I would find that disturbing.

We knew that when he was drafted. See also levarians post. Randy Moss made a pretty good career of being bigger faster and able to outjump the guy covering him. I don't think Thomas will put up Moss kind of numbers but as he showed on that game winning play in the playoffs he is a threat to score anytime you leave him in single coverage. That's worth something.


yeah but think how good he'd be if he learned how to play his position
 
2012-06-29 01:41:51 PM

BSABSVR: rka: And despite all that they are still the odds on favorite to win the AFC West.

The Raiders still have some Al Davis stupidity to clear out, SD still has a Norv Turner problem and as far as I can determine, 78% of the Chiefs are coming back from ACL surgery.

Assuming Manning plays, Denver has to be the default favorite.


I see the Raiders as a serious threat as long as Run DMC is healthy. Fortunately as a Broncos fan thats 6-8 games a year. Unfortunate as a football fan tho because he's one of my favorite players to watch, even if he is a Raider.

The Cheifs still have Cassel as their qb so there go their playoff hopes but at least they solved their Todd Haley problem. I like Romeo and think he'll be a good to great head coach. Its hard to judge someone based on a stint in Cleveland.

San Diego traded VJax for Eddie Royal who gets hurt and drops the ball everytime someone looks at him. Gates is done. Rivers is an asshole. Norv Turner...

I think the Broncs can win the West at 8-8 again but will go 9-7 rub it in.
 
2012-06-29 01:51:57 PM

Crewmannumber6: elguerodiablo: Crewmannumber6: I don't give 2 shiats about Tebow, Orton, or even Manning. What I see here is basically a professional wide receiver stating publicly that he didn't know how to play wide receiver professionally. If I were a Broncos fan, I would find that disturbing.

We knew that when he was drafted. See also levarians post. Randy Moss made a pretty good career of being bigger faster and able to outjump the guy covering him. I don't think Thomas will put up Moss kind of numbers but as he showed on that game winning play in the playoffs he is a threat to score anytime you leave him in single coverage. That's worth something.

yeah but think how good he'd be if he learned how to play his position


I agree completely. With his athleticism and size he'd be up there with Fitz and Andre Johnson if he were a polished with a high football IQ reciever. But no one ever bothered to teach him and he's been injured for more than half of his pro career. I think he can learn a ton from Manning who is one of the more brilliant offensive minds ever but history suggests he'll spend most of the next couple seasons in the training room.
 
2012-06-29 01:55:01 PM
Watch out for TE Jacob Tamme. He very well could have a monster year in Denver.
 
2012-06-29 02:30:52 PM
Receivers don't know route running? Sounds like more of the stellar John Fox coaching in action.
 
2012-06-29 03:05:20 PM
Plan A will make the Donkos better, there's no doubt. But one good whack on that boys neck and he's a quad drooling in his oatmeal for the remainder of his days.
 
2012-06-29 03:11:15 PM

UNC_Samurai: Receivers don't know route running? Sounds like more of the stellar John Fox coaching in action.


Takes a team from 1-15 to the Superbowl with the Delhomme
Took Tebow into the second round of the playoffs after benching his original starter

Yeah, he sounds like a terrible coach. I'll take him coaching my team. Compare the division:

Fox
Norv
Soup du Jour in Oakland
Romeo
 
2012-06-29 03:43:31 PM

howdyyall9999: Takes a team from 1-15 to the Superbowl with the Delhomme
Took Tebow into the second round of the playoffs after benching his original starter

Yeah, he sounds like a terrible coach. I'll take him coaching my team. Compare the division:

Fox
Norv
Soup du Jour in Oakland
Romeo


Not like it's Stram, Madden, Coryell and Red Miller out there. Norv is fighting for his life (he's done some of his best work when he's been up against it in SD), Allen was your D-Coordinator last year (not like he knows ANYTHING about your personnel or anything) and Romeo... who the hell knows. None of these guys is posing for a Canton bust anytime soon is about all that can be agreed on.

And if the Broncos make the playoffs they really only accomplish getting beat by the likes of New England by two TD's instead of four. Hard to call that progress.
 
2012-06-29 03:58:12 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: howdyyall9999: Takes a team from 1-15 to the Superbowl with the Delhomme
Took Tebow into the second round of the playoffs after benching his original starter

Yeah, he sounds like a terrible coach. I'll take him coaching my team. Compare the division:

Fox
Norv
Soup du Jour in Oakland
Romeo

Not like it's Stram, Madden, Coryell and Red Miller out there. Norv is fighting for his life (he's done some of his best work when he's been up against it in SD), Allen was your D-Coordinator last year (not like he knows ANYTHING about your personnel or anything) and Romeo... who the hell knows. None of these guys is posing for a Canton bust anytime soon is about all that can be agreed on.

And if the Broncos make the playoffs they really only accomplish getting beat by the likes of New England by two TD's instead of four. Hard to call that progress.


Norv has done nothing but consistently drop the teams record each year since Marty (save the 2009 season when they were again bounced in the first round)

Romeo with his sweet 26-41 coaching record?

NE had their way with the whole division last year. And to your point, who was the DC in charge of the defense that let them rack up all those points? Oh yeah, the new seat warmer in Oakland.

I am happy with Fox. I think he and his staff did a hell of a job last year. The defense will be better this year with Del Rio..I'll stick with what I got for now.
 
2012-06-29 04:30:57 PM

howdyyall9999: Romeo with his sweet 26-41 coaching record?


Point of order- Romeo's 39% winning percentage was with the Browns. Bill freaking Belichick- who will be getting a bust in Canton exactly 5 seasons after he retires- only won 45% of his games with the Browns.

I'm just saying, don't judge a coach by their ability to win in Cleveland.
 
2012-06-29 04:59:43 PM

Gonz: howdyyall9999: Romeo with his sweet 26-41 coaching record?

Point of order- Romeo's 39% winning percentage was with the Browns. Bill freaking Belichick- who will be getting a bust in Canton exactly 5 seasons after he retires- only won 45% of his games with the Browns.

I'm just saying, don't judge a coach by their ability to win in Cleveland.


Counterpoint: I am not going to go through the math but what % of his wins are with Brady under center. I know he was 5-11 the full year with Bledsoe and 0-2 when Bledsoe was hurt and replaced. Then in stepped tommy-boy.
 
2012-06-29 05:23:03 PM

howdyyall9999: UNC_Samurai: Receivers don't know route running? Sounds like more of the stellar John Fox coaching in action.

Takes a team from 1-15 to the Superbowl with the Delhomme
Took Tebow into the second round of the playoffs after benching his original starter

Yeah, he sounds like a terrible coach. I'll take him coaching my team. Compare the division:

Fox
Norv
Soup du Jour in Oakland
Romeo


Fox went to the Super Bowl with a power running game in Stephen Davis and Jack Del Rio as his defensive coordinator. That defense coasted once Del Rio left to become Jacksonville's head coach. And Fox gradually abandoned his run-first game plan to put the ball in Delhomme's hands more and more often.

You can have him. By the end of his tenure in Carolina the team was a dumpster fire, and everyone outside of our fanbase doesn't seem to understand that.

The Broncos can improve and will under Manning, but Fox should never be allowed to run an offense.
 
2012-06-29 05:37:02 PM

colonel0sanders: Watch out for TE Jacob Tamme. He very well could have a monster year in Denver.


Definitely agree, he's a sleeper now but will get a lot of attention as the season gears up. He's shown the ability to get on the same page as Manning when Dallas Clark went down. Could easily end the season as a top 5 TE.
 
rka
2012-06-29 05:48:09 PM

UNC_Samurai: You can have him. By the end of his tenure in Carolina the team was a dumpster fire, and everyone outside of our fanbase doesn't seem to understand that.


What was Carolina's payroll that year?

Top 10? Bottom 10? Everyone paying attention to the lockout drama knows that Richardson (who was one of the hardliners on the owner's side) cut salary that year by cutting anyone over 30 and then let the blame fall on coach. It seems Panthers fans are the only ones who don't get that. Much better to blame the guy that you kick out the door rather than the owner that you can't do anything about and who also got you Newton. (yay! daddy stopped beating us! and he brought ice cream! he's the best daddy in the world!)

But anyways, Fox has Del Rio back as DC and Manning/McCoy (with Elway in the wings) watching the offense this year. I don't think anyone is worried about John Fox.
 
2012-06-29 07:28:33 PM

Crewmannumber6: I don't give 2 shiats about Tebow, Orton, or even Manning. What I see here is basically a professional wide receiver stating publicly that he didn't know how to play wide receiver professionally. If I were a Broncos fan, I would find that disturbing.


He stated no such thing. Thomas said he did not have to run the entire route tree for the past 2 years.

'Did not have to run' is very different from 'didn't know how to run'.


I, for one, did not have to ride a motorcycle for the past two years. Doesn't mean I don't know how to ride a motorcycle, nor am I publicly stating that I don't know how. Just that I didn't have to.
 
2012-06-29 07:28:55 PM

elguerodiablo: BSABSVR: rka: And despite all that they are still the odds on favorite to win the AFC West.

The Raiders still have some Al Davis stupidity to clear out, SD still has a Norv Turner problem and as far as I can determine, 78% of the Chiefs are coming back from ACL surgery.

Assuming Manning plays, Denver has to be the default favorite.

I see the Raiders as a serious threat as long as Run DMC is healthy. Fortunately as a Broncos fan thats 6-8 games a year. Unfortunate as a football fan tho because he's one of my favorite players to watch, even if he is a Raider.

The Cheifs still have Cassel as their qb so there go their playoff hopes but at least they solved their Todd Haley problem. I like Romeo and think he'll be a good to great head coach. Its hard to judge someone based on a stint in Cleveland.

San Diego traded VJax for Eddie Royal who gets hurt and drops the ball everytime someone looks at him. Gates is done. Rivers is an asshole. Norv Turner...

I think the Broncs can win the West at 8-8 again but will go 9-7 rub it in.


So San Diego will suck because they replaced a diva wide receiver who didn't show up on critical plays time and time again with a flock of younger receivers? Or because Denver fans are still butthurt about Rivers?

Granted, Norv's not awesome but at least it seems like AJ Smith is finally giving him a decent team for the first time since 09.
 
2012-06-29 08:50:23 PM

rka: Top 10? Bottom 10? Everyone paying attention to the lockout drama knows that Richardson (who was one of the hardliners on the owner's side) cut salary that year by cutting anyone over 30 and then let the blame fall on coach. It seems Panthers fans are the only ones who don't get that. Much better to blame the guy that you kick out the door rather than the owner that you can't do anything about and who also got you Newton. (yay! daddy stopped beating us! and he brought ice cream! he's the best daddy in the world!)


We know damn well what we have to deal with in Jerry Richardson, and if you were paying attention to the Sports Tab at all during that offseason you'd know that. Cutting personnel like Hoover and Muhammed hurt that offense badly, but that was the final stage of the gradual erosion of that team. Fox ran a power running game in Carolina, and that works as long as you have a stable defense and good power backs. When Stephen Davis was still healthy, it was successful. When Davis, and then DeShaun Foster, and then Nick Goings got hurt in the 2005 playoffs, Fox tried to adapt to a passing game. He doesn't adjust his game plan well, and having Delhomme as his QB gave him no help. And if you don't remember Fox abandoning a successful running game in the playoffs against Arizona to let Jake throw the ball into infamy, then I can't help you at all.
 
2012-06-29 09:19:30 PM

davidphogan: elguerodiablo: BSABSVR: rka: And despite all that they are still the odds on favorite to win the AFC West.

The Raiders still have some Al Davis stupidity to clear out, SD still has a Norv Turner problem and as far as I can determine, 78% of the Chiefs are coming back from ACL surgery.

Assuming Manning plays, Denver has to be the default favorite.

I see the Raiders as a serious threat as long as Run DMC is healthy. Fortunately as a Broncos fan thats 6-8 games a year. Unfortunate as a football fan tho because he's one of my favorite players to watch, even if he is a Raider.

The Cheifs still have Cassel as their qb so there go their playoff hopes but at least they solved their Todd Haley problem. I like Romeo and think he'll be a good to great head coach. Its hard to judge someone based on a stint in Cleveland.

San Diego traded VJax for Eddie Royal who gets hurt and drops the ball everytime someone looks at him. Gates is done. Rivers is an asshole. Norv Turner...

I think the Broncs can win the West at 8-8 again but will go 9-7 rub it in.

So San Diego will suck because they replaced a diva wide receiver who didn't show up on critical plays time and time again with a flock of younger receivers? Or because Denver fans are still butthurt about Rivers?

Granted, Norv's not awesome but at least it seems like AJ Smith is finally giving him a decent team for the first time since 09.


Norv couldn't get it done when he had the most talent in the league and rode LT who the best RB of his generation. How's he getting it done with Mathews who looks more like Knowshow Moreno than LT. Rivers, while being an asshole, is borderline elite QB but the flock of "young" recievers Meachum, Royal and Parrish arent that young and are 2 or 3 spot recievers on any other team. Plus theyre injury prone as are the Chargers as whole. Good luck with that whole thing.
 
2012-06-29 09:53:32 PM

elguerodiablo: Norv couldn't get it done when he had the most talent in the league and rode LT who the best RB of his generation.


When was that? LT was on the decline by the time Norv took over, and it showed.

elguerodiablo: How's he getting it done with Mathews who looks more like Knowshow Moreno than LT.


He gained over 1500 yards last year in a two running back system, 1000 of those yards on the ground. For a second year back in a pass-first system who didn't play third down or goal line situations much, his numbers are pretty good. 4.9 yds/rush isn't bad when you have over 200 carries. It's more impressive when you consider he never ran more than 39 yards, so it's not like a few 80 yard runs skewed the numbers.

elguerodiablo: Rivers, while being an asshole, is borderline elite QB but the flock of "young" recievers Meachum, Royal and Parrish arent that young and are 2 or 3 spot recievers on any other team.


Oh, a butthurt Broncos fan. Why is Rivers an asshole, other than your QB mouthed off and got put in his place? Anyway, a list of wideouts for the Chargers: Jason Barnes, Vincent Brown, Paul Cox, Taylor Embree, Malcom Floyd, Richard Goodman, Robert Meachem, Roscoe Parrish, Phillip Payne, Eddie Royal, Micheal Spurlock, Michael Willie. Going into training camp it's a nice mix of veterans and young blood. Rivers has done well with worse than that if he gets any protection, and most of his O line that closed out the season really well is coming back.

elguerodiablo: Plus theyre injury prone as are the Chargers as whole. Good luck with that whole thing.


But the Broncos will be awesome because Petyon has never been hurt before, right?
 
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