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2012-06-29 09:44:00 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Is it really a comment if you got the whole thing wrong?


You mean like you did, in every thread about the constitutionality of the individual mandate as an exercise of the tax power since March, 2010?1

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Suck it.
 
2012-06-29 11:37:08 PM

IlGreven: My point is, it doesn't matter who buys it; if the reason you bought it isn't there, it dies just as readily a death as if no one bought it. In this case, doctors won't accept patients with a government-backed insurance plan because they've had a history of being screwed by Medicare and Medicaid; it won't matter if all their patients switch to said insurance plan, and those who have that happen will just close their practice, or as someone else said earlier, "retire early".


Fortunately the world is full of competent Doctors who would love to work here.
We can and will expand the number of visas available.
I'm in IT and they are doing it to me.

We can EASILY expand our health care capacity.
Establish more Medical Schools as well.
 
2012-06-30 01:56:06 AM

Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.


Well, for the ones who can think beyond, "derp, Obama bad," the plan seems to be, "get Romney elected, propose the repeal of the bill while screaming about how it's an emergency and the democrats are partisan, and then hope they roll over like they did all throughout the Bush administration."

Which certainly has some chance of success.
 
2012-06-30 02:14:10 AM

Without Fail: Fortunately the world is full of competent Doctors who would love to work here.


Also the reason why doctors have issues with Medicaid and Medicare is because they're badly funded because getting better fund is near impossible. Also just because the government arranges some insurance doesn't mean the government will have any role in running here. Here in Illinois the state is working on making sure those who want insurance but can't get it and don't qualify for the expanded medicaid coverage, can buy insurance. The state isn't running the insurance, just making sure people can get it.
 
2012-06-30 11:56:04 AM

intelligent comment below: WombatControl: bugontherug:

Yeah, I think that courts will probably treat that as precedent, but there's good arguments on both sides.

Wait, did we just have a reasonable and educated discussion on this? On Fark? In the Politics tab?!

shiat, I'm parked outside. I'd better move before my car gets covered in flying pig crap...


I love how you still conveniently ignore your "Federalist Papers" argument without one admission of defeat.


Why bother? It's an argument that anyone who passed high school civics would laugh it.

Here's a hint: I'm not addressing that argument because it's so stupid that making it is a sign of ignorance.
 
2012-06-30 04:00:26 PM

hubiestubert: DGS:
QFT. And it still surprises me to this day that the time has come where we agree on topics like this.

Common sense isn't necessarily common, but at some point, folks need to put down the pitchforks, and realize that Democrats and Republicans aren't enemies. They are often coming from different perspectives, but lately, the Wing Nut Brigade is dominating the debate with ranting and raving, and that isn't good for the process.

We need to debate the issues, not the "sides" but examine each issue, and then compromise on issues. That is how our representative democracy is supposed to work. We are killing that with politics played like a gottverdammt sport...


Exactly. National (and international) issues are most often highly complex, with no single "right" solution. Effectively addressing such issues requires reasoned analysis and intelligent debate, with the upfront recognition that not all of one's positions are going to be represented in the final decision.

More or less arbitrarily picking a team and screaming your lungs out for them to "kill the bums" is both much easier and much less of a personal investment. Because there'll always be next time. Another "do-or-die" big game, more spectacle to drink in and piss out like so much cheap beer.

That's not citizenship. That's consumerism in its most basic, mindless form. If any significant aspect of your self-identity is directly reflective of some sort of brand loyalty, you might take a moment to think about what sort of animals get branded . . . and how they typically end up.
 
2012-06-30 04:08:55 PM

Infernalist: pxsteel: qorkfiend: pxsteel: Philip Francis Queeg: pxsteel: How is the government going to enforce the tax? How will they know that I don't have insurance?

Hmm, maybe the IRS will have to develop some system for reviewing and investigating the accuracy of submitted tax returns. They could call it an audit or something.

Do you know how many people don't file tax returns?

...and?

How are they going to know that I don't have insurance. systems are built to be broken, the black market is going to be big on this one.

So, because there are people who speed, traffic laws are dumb and should be overturned?

GOP LOGIC.


So that's how you do "small gubmint."
 
2012-06-30 04:23:15 PM

qorkfiend: pxsteel: intelligent comment below: pxsteel: Philip Francis Queeg: pxsteel: How is the government going to enforce the tax? How will they know that I don't have insurance?

Hmm, maybe the IRS will have to develop some system for reviewing and investigating the accuracy of submitted tax returns. They could call it an audit or something.

Do you know how many people don't file tax returns?


Why do you hate personal responsibility?

Sorry, do you know that there are millions that legally don't have to file.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that someone who doesn't meet the income threshold to file a federal tax return will either be exempt from the penalty or will be on Medicaid already.


I swear, I've never, ever typed this in my life but . . .

PWNED!

Seriously you idiots, if you're going to criticize the law (and there are a lot of details to criticize, starting with with the lack of single-payer), at least make an effort to understand it first.
 
2012-07-01 08:03:32 AM

WombatControl: intelligent comment below: WombatControl: bugontherug:

Yeah, I think that courts will probably treat that as precedent, but there's good arguments on both sides.

Wait, did we just have a reasonable and educated discussion on this? On Fark? In the Politics tab?!

shiat, I'm parked outside. I'd better move before my car gets covered in flying pig crap...


I love how you still conveniently ignore your "Federalist Papers" argument without one admission of defeat.

Why bother? It's an argument that anyone who passed high school civics would laugh it.

Here's a hint: I'm not addressing that argument because it's so stupid that making it is a sign of ignorance.


You always ignore the stupid shiat you've said before.

10.000 dollar shower permits and how passing the ACA would be the end of civilization.
You're pretty out there with stupid arguments.
 
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