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2012-06-29 08:57:43 AM
THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

/STFU, you perpetually whining biatches
 
2012-06-29 09:01:55 AM
Congress always had the power to tax, and they've used it. You get taxed for not buying a new refrigerator, citizen.

Which is precisely why it made me tear my hair in frustration to hear people talk about how 'unprecedented' and 'sweeping' PPACA is.

Go cry more, libertyboy.
 
2012-06-29 09:06:37 AM
Hey Conservitard- YOU LOST, GET OVER IT.
 
2012-06-29 09:09:39 AM
LIES? IN CONGRESS?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
2012-06-29 09:15:02 AM
And oh, no one had been rekindled until Roberts ruling? Earth to Mr. Will: have you heard of the ObamaCare town halls? Have you heard of the Tea Party? Did you hear about Scott Brown, Chris Christie, Bob McDonnell -- and oh, the 2010 midterms? Things have been rekindled for a while here.

The guy who voted for "ObamaCare"?
 
2012-06-29 09:18:03 AM

kronicfeld: The guy who voted for "ObamaCare"?


NO HE DIDNT HES A REPULICAN
 
2012-06-29 09:31:28 AM
I saw a turtle.
 
2012-06-29 09:33:08 AM
Looks like the wahhhmbulance will be working overtime this weekend.
 
2012-06-29 09:33:10 AM
My god, these people are Drama Queens...
 
2012-06-29 09:33:35 AM
Republicans are still grasping at straws:

Somebody remind me...

Weren't moslems exempted from o-care? And...to be considered legitimate/legal, a tax has to apply to all equally?

Please tell me if my memory is failing, or if I'm just stupid today, or if I'm right. No offense will be taken-life is too short.
 
2012-06-29 09:34:16 AM
i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.
 
2012-06-29 09:35:00 AM
www.terrariaonline.com
 
2012-06-29 09:36:35 AM
ObamaCare sucks. Why feed the insurance company middleman? I want single payer.
 
2012-06-29 09:37:39 AM
And based solely on that description, this is different from forcing the country into war in Iraq and Afghanistan... how?
 
2012-06-29 09:38:55 AM
Come up with something better. Until then, shut the fark up. Go ahead and run this fall on the premise of taking away millions of people's healthcare. I'm sure that will go over really well.
 
2012-06-29 09:39:02 AM
Because we all know the American Revolution was exclusively about Taxes or something, amirite?

(Little history lesson, even the fraking Boston Tea Party wasn't about taxes. It was about Massachusetts wanting to reintroduce tariffs on East India Tea Co and not having the representation in Parliament to push it.)

Yup, damn colonist were pro tax and anti-free markets! oops!
 
2012-06-29 09:39:33 AM
Drew must seriously have some financial interest in this website. Worse is that the title is so 'lol wut' I have no idea WTF they are trying to say so for any f*cking context I have to click on the link to this suckrag.

No thank you. Your blog sucks. You suck. Your ideas suck. Your writing sucks. Everything about you sucks.

Obamacare is a hard pill to swallow. Try not to choke. No fark it, choke on it you losers. Now it's law. You want to change it, begin working to change the specific laws. Personally I'd like to see more cost control in Obamacare. This bill has done some, but not as much as it could to contain cost. This is great for hospitals, bad for everyone else.
 
2012-06-29 09:39:43 AM

Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.


the real response to it should be this. The ruling hasn't solved anything and has taken the decision out of the hands of the SCOTUS. This is the best bit of trolling I've ever seen by a judge. By calling it a tax, it's now allowed to be challenged after the first revenues have been collected. It is much easier to strike it down now than it was to repeal it as a pieec of legislation. I'm not sure why the GOP isn't very pleased with the outcome.
 
2012-06-29 09:42:07 AM

RealDisagreer: the real response to it should be this. The ruling hasn't solved anything and has taken the decision out of the hands of the SCOTUS. This is the best bit of trolling I've ever seen by a judge. By calling it a tax, it's now allowed to be challenged after the first revenues have been collected. It is much easier to strike it down now than it was to repeal it as a pieec of legislation. I'm not sure why the GOP isn't very pleased with the outcome.


Challenged on what basis?
 
2012-06-29 09:42:18 AM

RealDisagreer: Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.

the real response to it should be this. The ruling hasn't solved anything and has taken the decision out of the hands of the SCOTUS. This is the best bit of trolling I've ever seen by a judge. By calling it a tax, it's now allowed to be challenged after the first revenues have been collected. It is much easier to strike it down now than it was to repeal it as a pieec of legislation. I'm not sure why the GOP isn't very pleased with the outcome.


They're not going to just challenge the tax though without trying to repeal the rest, that would be stupid and would really piss off their corporate masters in the health care racket who are paying them good money.
 
2012-06-29 09:42:58 AM
Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.

Right now their in a position arguing to repeal a penalty tax on deadbeat jackasses that drive up costs and taxes on hard working, blue collar workers that are very responsible people.

Just goes you how full circle these GOP radicals have gone. They're arguing for freeloaders to get a pass!

Oh noes, don't penalize and tax the freeloaders! They have a right to not buy insurance then stick us with the bill!
 
2012-06-29 09:43:01 AM

TyrantII: Because we all know the American Revolution was exclusively about Taxes or something, amirite?

(Little history lesson, even the fraking Boston Tea Party wasn't about taxes. It was about Massachusetts wanting to reintroduce tariffs on East India Tea Co and not having the representation in Parliament to push it.)

Yup, damn colonist were pro tax and anti-free markets! oops!


Not just pro-tax; pro corporate tax!
 
2012-06-29 09:43:14 AM
In a broader sense, the government has always had the power to influence behavior by negative reinforcement. They're called "laws".
 
2012-06-29 09:43:15 AM
Taxation on behavior is bad now?

Where were these people when cigarette taxes went up to $5 a pack? Where were they when interstate lotteries started siphoning millions out of poor people's pockets? And how about those gasoline taxes?

Farking hypocrites.

We get it. He's a half breed Muslin commie fascist Nazi Kenyan usurper.
 
2012-06-29 09:43:21 AM

Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.


Weaver, I really assumed you'd be against Obamacare. I had you pegged as a libertarian, and this is a pretty significant intrusion of government into people's lives, regardless of if it's for good reasons on not. I'm curious why you're not pissed that the government can now tax the absence of a particular behavior. Or is it just that most republicans have gotten so ridiculously polarized that it's just more fun to see them scream?

/an honest question from a libby lib.
 
2012-06-29 09:43:53 AM

TyrantII: Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.

Right now their in a position arguing to repeal a penalty tax on deadbeat jackasses that drive up costs and taxes on hard working, blue collar workers that are very responsible people.

Just goes you how full circle these GOP radicals have gone. They're arguing for freeloaders to get a pass!

Oh noes, don't penalize and tax the freeloaders! They have a right to not buy insurance then stick us with the bill!


How is that any different than the current system?
 
2012-06-29 09:44:28 AM

RealDisagreer: By calling it a tax, it's now allowed to be challenged after the first revenues have been collected.


Roberts said that it's a tax for constitutional analysis, not for statutory analysis, which is why the Anti-Injunction Act didn't apply.
 
2012-06-29 09:45:06 AM

RealDisagreer: Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.

the real response to it should be this. The ruling hasn't solved anything and has taken the decision out of the hands of the SCOTUS. This is the best bit of trolling I've ever seen by a judge. By calling it a tax, it's now allowed to be challenged after the first revenues have been collected. It is much easier to strike it down now than it was to repeal it as a pieec of legislation. I'm not sure why the GOP isn't very pleased with the outcome.


Because they are stupid. The whole thing was their idea in the first place.

They can't admit it as they would lose their base because they are stupid by voting against their best interests.
 
2012-06-29 09:45:30 AM
They was tricked! Never mind the mandate amended the excise section of the IRS code for everyone to see, but it was too big to read, much less even do a simple search for. They have a legitimate point.
 
2012-06-29 09:45:34 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-29 09:45:55 AM

wademh: ObamaCare sucks. Why feed the insurance company middleman? I want single payer.


There is a simple reason we have the reform that we got:

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-06-29 09:46:18 AM
I just got an email from Rep. Allen West (R-eally have no idea why I'm on this wacky list) Thought I'd share:
------------------------


Fellow Conservative,

This week, the Supreme Court announced their decision to uphold Obamacare; electing strong conservative Republicans has never been more important.

Like you, I'm 100% committed to repealing and replacing Obamacare and I need your support to help me lead the fight. Stand with me today.

You and I know how important it is to defeat this legislation that:

Violates our individual rights.
Attacks religious freedom.
Contains half a billion dollars in cuts to Medicare.
Has resulted in higher health care costs.
Is full of massive tax increases that will devastate our economy.

On June 30th, our campaign faces an important fundraising deadline. We've set a goal of 1,000 contributors in the next 72 hours to send a message to President Obama and the liberals in Congress that we're committed to defeating Obamacare. With your help, I know we can meet this goal. Click here to contribute $25 or more.


With the court upholding the law, we must work harder than ever to fight Obamacare's out of control costs, high taxes, and assault on our freedoms.

Barack Obama and liberals in Congress might be celebrating today, but this is a battle we can and must win.

I'm counting on you for a contribution of $25 or more to stand with me against Obamacare and help me finish the fundraising quarter strong. Thanks again for your support.

Steadfast and Loyal,


LTC(R) Allen B. West
Member of Congress

P.S. Stand with me today for repealing and replacing Obamacare. Every contribution helps bring us closer to our goal. Donate here.
 
2012-06-29 09:46:23 AM

wademh: ObamaCare sucks. Why feed the insurance company middleman? I want single payer.


Because the Republicans wouldn't let single payer pass and had a hissy fit shutting down Government again until they got rid of it. Now they are biatching about the unintended consequences such childish bahaviour has caused.
 
2012-06-29 09:48:16 AM

Brandyelf: I just got an email from Rep. Allen West (R-eally have no idea why I'm on this wacky list) Thought I'd share:
------------------------


Fellow Conservative,

This week, the Supreme Court announced their decision to uphold Obamacare; electing strong conservative Republicans has never been more important.

Like you, I'm 100% committed to repealing and replacing Obamacare and I need your support to help me lead the fight. Stand with me today.

You and I know how important it is to defeat this legislation that:

Violates our individual rights.
Attacks religious freedom.
Contains half a billion dollars in cuts to Medicare.
Has resulted in higher health care costs.
Is full of massive tax increases that will devastate our economy.

On June 30th, our campaign faces an important fundraising deadline. We've set a goal of 1,000 contributors in the next 72 hours to send a message to President Obama and the liberals in Congress that we're committed to defeating Obamacare. With your help, I know we can meet this goal. Click here to contribute $25 or more.


With the court upholding the law, we must work harder than ever to fight Obamacare's out of control costs, high taxes, and assault on our freedoms.

Barack Obama and liberals in Congress might be celebrating today, but this is a battle we can and must win.

I'm counting on you for a contribution of $25 or more to stand with me against Obamacare and help me finish the fundraising quarter strong. Thanks again for your support.

Steadfast and Loyal,


LTC(R) Allen B. West
Member of Congress

P.S. Stand with me today for repealing and replacing Obamacare. Every contribution helps bring us closer to our goal. Donate here.


Email em back with a question.

"Replace it with what? Details, please."
 
2012-06-29 09:48:33 AM

wotthefark: RealDisagreer: Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.

the real response to it should be this. The ruling hasn't solved anything and has taken the decision out of the hands of the SCOTUS. This is the best bit of trolling I've ever seen by a judge. By calling it a tax, it's now allowed to be challenged after the first revenues have been collected. It is much easier to strike it down now than it was to repeal it as a pieec of legislation. I'm not sure why the GOP isn't very pleased with the outcome.

Because they are stupid. The whole thing was their idea in the first place.

They can't admit it as they would lose their base because they are stupid by voting against their best interests.


Oh I'm sure Obama will waste no opportunity to point that out during the debates while he's hammering Romney for instituting a mandate in Massachusetts.
 
2012-06-29 09:48:54 AM

Erix: Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.

Weaver, I really assumed you'd be against Obamacare. I had you pegged as a libertarian, and this is a pretty significant intrusion of government into people's lives, regardless of if it's for good reasons on not. I'm curious why you're not pissed that the government can now tax the absence of a particular behavior. Or is it just that most republicans have gotten so ridiculously polarized that it's just more fun to see them scream?

/an honest question from a libby lib.


well, as far as 'government intrusion', the Patriot Act is a far far worse abuse of our rights and freedoms. want to fight the good fight? repeal THAT monster and i'm with you all the way. same with most of the 'war on drugs' legislation and funding. As for Obamacare? look - health care reform HAS to happen. spending is out of control, there IS no 'free market' when it comes to health care pricing and the GOP has no plan for dealing with our rotting health care system. Obamacare, for all its flaws, is a valid attempt to at least deal with a problem that's currently out of control and only going to get much, much worse. so as a libertarian my choice is between a BAD plan or NO plan. I'd rather go with the bad plan and then try to work on the details as we go rather than have NO plan and hope that things magically get better all on their own.
 
2012-06-29 09:49:09 AM

birchman: RealDisagreer: Weaver95: i'm not sure the GOP has figured out exactly what the propaganda spin on this issue is supposed to be: Limbaugh was saying that 'Obama lied' and that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a victory. others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'. there's a persistent fantasy among some GOP voters that the Republicans can just dummy up another lawsuit next year and automagically repeal Obamacare in 2013-14.

the real response to it should be this. The ruling hasn't solved anything and has taken the decision out of the hands of the SCOTUS. This is the best bit of trolling I've ever seen by a judge. By calling it a tax, it's now allowed to be challenged after the first revenues have been collected. It is much easier to strike it down now than it was to repeal it as a pieec of legislation. I'm not sure why the GOP isn't very pleased with the outcome.

They're not going to just challenge the tax though without trying to repeal the rest, that would be stupid and would really piss off their corporate masters in the health care racket who are paying them good money.


Imagine the repeal fight in Congress? First, Romney needs to get elected and the GOP needs to take both houses of Congress. Then, he'll have less than a year before the law goes into effect to get a repeal through while people aren't seeing any benefit. Second, any attempted repeal won't be simple; there are many provisions that Congress will want to keep, so the "1-page repeal bill" will get longer and longer. Third, half of the states will be fighting against repeal; they will have immediately opted into the Medicaid expansion and will be receiving large amounts of federal aid as a result, and they won't want to give that up. And lastly, any repeal attempt will be met with stiff opposition from the health insurance lobby, who won't be too keen on losing 40 million customers.
 
2012-06-29 09:49:45 AM

Brandyelf: I just got an email from Rep. Allen West (R-eally have no idea why I'm on this wacky list) Thought I'd share:
------------------------


Who is crazier? Adam West or Allen West?
 
2012-06-29 09:50:02 AM
has it been said yet, that the republicans are freaking out about the SCOTUS upholding their own healthcare reform idea from 1994?

but don't go pointing that out, they might have to admit that their party has veered heavily to the right. That can't be true.
 
2012-06-29 09:50:14 AM

Weaver95: others in the GOP blogosphere are saying they're going to move to canada, or shoot Justice Roberts, or 'go galt'.


i.imgur.com

ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
 
2012-06-29 09:50:28 AM

Infernalist: Email em back with a question.

"Replace it with what? Details, please."


+1
 
2012-06-29 09:51:28 AM

wademh: ObamaCare sucks. Why feed the insurance company middleman? I want single payer.



Thanks to Obamacare, you can have it! Just move to Vermont.
 
2012-06-29 09:51:32 AM
p.twimg.com
 
2012-06-29 09:51:58 AM
This is why we never should have voted those libocrats into the Supreme Court. Call your Governor! Tell him to impeach Justice Rogers now!

Of course, this is only going to lead to an even more overwhelming victory over Obama in November as true Americans swarm to the poles to drum the Kenyon out of office! This is truly a great Victory for conservativism.
 
2012-06-29 09:55:16 AM

Weaver95: Erix: Weaver, I really assumed you'd be against Obamacare. I had you pegged as a libertarian, and this is a pretty significant intrusion of government into people's lives, regardless of if it's for good reasons on not. I'm curious why you're not pissed that the government can now tax the absence of a particular behavior. Or is it just that most republicans have gotten so ridiculously polarized that it's just more fun to see them scream?

/an honest question from a libby lib.

well, as far as 'government intrusion', the Patriot Act is a far far worse abuse of our rights and freedoms. want to fight the good fight? repeal THAT monster and i'm with you all the way. same with most of the 'war on drugs' legislation and funding. As for Obamacare? look - health care reform HAS to happen. spending is out of control, there IS no 'free market' when it comes to health care pricing and the GOP has no plan for dealing with our rotting health care system. Obamacare, for all its flaws, is a valid attempt to at least deal with a problem that's currently out of control and only going to get much, much worse. so as a libertarian my choice is between a BAD plan or NO plan. I'd rather go with the bad plan and then try to work on the details as we go rather than have NO plan and hope that things magically get better all on their own.


Fair enough. That's far more pragmatic than most "libertarians" I've run across, but I can agree with all of that.
 
2012-06-29 09:57:03 AM

Brandyelf: Fellow Conservative,

This week, the Supreme Court announced their decision to uphold Obamacare; electing strong conservative Republicans has never been more important.

Like you, I'm 100% committed to repealing and replacing Obamacare and I need your support to help me lead the fight. Stand with me today.

You and I know how important it is to defeat this legislation that:

Violates our individual rights.
Attacks religious freedom.
Contains half a billion dollars in cuts to Medicare.
Has resulted in higher health care costs.
Is full of massive tax increases that will devastate our economy.

On June 30th, our campaign faces an important fundraising deadline. We've set a goal of 1,000 contributors in the next 72 hours to send a message to President Obama and the liberals in Congress that we're committed to defeating Obamacare. With your help, I know we can meet this goal. Click here to contribute $25 or more.


With the court upholding the law, we must work harder than ever to fight Obamacare's out of control costs, high taxes, and assault on our freedoms.

Barack Obama and liberals in Congress might be celebrating today, but this is a battle we can and must win.

I'm counting on you for a contribution of $25 or more to stand with me against Obamacare and help me finish the fundraising quarter strong. Thanks again for your support.

Steadfast and Loyal,


LTC(R) Allen B. West
Member of Congress


I yearn for you tragically.

A. T. Tappman, Chaplain, U.S. Army.


P.S. Stand with me today for repealing and replacing Obamacare. Every contribution helps bring us closer to our goal. Donate here.


/improvinated. For the Syndicate
 
2012-06-29 09:57:32 AM
64 comments, and no one's mentioned what the "lie" is.

Is that how Obama danced around calling it a tax during a press conference? When he wasn't under oath (and imagine how hilarious THAT would be - a sworn press conference)?

// also, what's the Doughy Pantload's reaction?
// do we know he hasn't suck-started a shotgun over this ruling?
 
2012-06-29 09:57:40 AM
So long as that behavior is greedy assholery, Tax Away!
 
2012-06-29 09:57:58 AM

hubiestubert: wademh: ObamaCare sucks. Why feed the insurance company middleman? I want single payer.

There is a simple reason we have the reform that we got:

[50% of the human race middlemen.jpg]


After thinking on this overnight, I am now more comfortable with the idea of privatization. Even though I have lived under a single payer system (military) most of my life, I also realize there are efficiencies in private care that can't be matched by government employees.

Specifically, insurance companies and HMOs can come and go, with their patients moving if they go under due to poor management. Not so with direct government management, where overhead grows like a slow cancer, creating long term costs that can get out of control. Done correctly ACA can provide very good health care without the threat of its management turning into another USPS. I'm willing to give it a try.
 
2012-06-29 09:58:26 AM
I heard this argument on Faux News that this is the first time Americans will be taxed for not participating in something.

If you don't have kids you pay more taxes than someone that does have kids. Is this not the same thing?
 
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