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(NewsBusters)   Julia Sweeney says she no longer believes in God, which incidentally is one of the most frequent comments of people who just sat through "It's Pat"   (newsbusters.org) divider line 21
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2012-06-29 09:13:05 AM
4 votes:

FlashHarry: this is "news busters" material? wtf?


I heard one of her monologues on This American Life on this topic, so I looked it up to see exactly how behind-the-times NewsBusters is today:

Sweeney's third autobiographical monologue is titled Letting Go of God. In it, she discusses her Catholic upbringing, early religious ideology, and the life events and internal search that led her to believe that the universe can function on its own without a deity to preside over it, finally becoming an atheist. ...

She workshopped the show in small theaters and clubs around Los Angeles for three years and then opened it at the Hudson Backstage Theater in October 2004. An audio recording of Letting Go of God was released on CD in 2006, and it was filmed live on stage in May 2007. The film premiered at the Seattle International Film Festival on June 13, 2008. The DVD of the show was released in November 2008.


It's a good listen- parts are funny, but it's mostly intended to be storytelling. Essentially, she turned to the Bible because she wanted to deepen her faith, but at some point she came around to "Has anyone actually read this thing? These stories are horrible!", and moving from how the violent/paternalistic/xenophobic/etc. themes of the Bible manifest themselves in modern political fundamentalism.

Her sketch comedy was awful, but she's more natural in the monologue format. ~10 years after she started putting it together, NewsBusters is upset by this.
2012-06-29 11:10:18 AM
3 votes:
Then who said "ha"?
2012-06-29 10:18:27 AM
3 votes:
Welcome to ten years ago, News Busters.
2012-06-29 08:22:35 AM
3 votes:
This is new?
2012-06-29 01:45:54 PM
2 votes:

The Bad Astronomer: Julia - who is, full disclosure, a friend - is thoughtful, intelligent, and very funny. If you haven't listened to "Letting Go of God" I highly recommend it. It's very well done, and is one of the best monologues about becoming an atheist ever made.


Well if she's a friend then tell her a random anonymous internet guy says thank you. She got me to finally stop lying to myself that I was an agnostic. Once I became comfortable with the fact that my relative certainty that god doesn't exist was sufficient to make me an atheist, I became much more comfortable with standing up for everything else I have relative certainty about.
2012-06-29 01:07:27 PM
2 votes:
Julia - who is, full disclosure, a friend - is thoughtful, intelligent, and very funny. If you haven't listened to "Letting Go of God" I highly recommend it. It's very well done, and is one of the best monologues about becoming an atheist ever made.
2012-06-29 12:08:19 PM
2 votes:

Psychomancer: Just another niiny who doesn't know what separation of church and state really means. Religion is culture, you don't protect the state from it, you protect the culture from the government imposing on it.


That is a ridiculous and historically ignorant view of the separation clause. Loyalists had a sincere religious belief that the colonies belonged to the King of England. Our government chose to impose itself on that culture. Slave holders had a sincere religious belief that black people were meant to be slaves. Our government chose to impose itself on that culture. Southerners had a sincere religious belief that miscegenation is an abomination. Our government chose to impose itself on that culture. The founding fathers wrote the bill of rights to protect against the excesses of power they had experienced directly under the British Crown. Each of the amendments can be tracked to crises between the colonists and the Crown in the 17th and 18th centuries. The use of religious doctrine in governance was one of those excesses, and the corruption of religious doctrine by political appointment was another.

You don't protect the oil from the water or the water from the oil. You keep those things apart because they got no business with each other and all they do is fark each other up.

If God wants you to champion a government policy, surely he will give you an argument that doesn't rely on using his name.
2012-06-29 06:49:50 PM
1 votes:
I've listened to her audiobook for Letting Go of God. It's a really enjoyable look into who she is as a person.

She's not just "Pat," you know ;)
2012-06-29 01:09:53 PM
1 votes:

GungFu: FTFA: "Hi, I'm Julia Sweeney, and I'm a cultural Catholic," she says. "I'm no longer a believer...'


What's a 'cultural Catholic' and non-believer?

I'm confused.

/like Pat


Americans usually think of religion as a set of beliefs about a supposed supernatural realm, but it also often functions in a way that is similar to an ethnicity. A collection of people share a common history, common style of language use, common clothing, music, and literature styles, shared food preferences, and common assumptions about the world. One can participate in that shared culture without also accepting the claims about the supernatural.

Primates are naturally social animals, and so humans are drawn towards participation in communities. For "cultural Catholics," like non-practicing ethnic Jews, membership in a community remains important in forming one's identity, even if you don't believe the stories about supernatural entities.

I'm not saying it's logical, mind you. I'm just trying to answer your question.
2012-06-29 12:50:27 PM
1 votes:

madgordy: I was raised in the Southern Baptist tradition, unquestioned obedience. I got kicked out of church school for asking too many questions. I also asked why my Dad did not have to go to church, he was an Athiest, I became an Athiest in 2nd grade. No more wasted Sundays at church.


Raised in Southern Baptist, too. I didn't get kicked out but I did become persona non grata when I told my Sunday school teacher that I believed in evolution. He informed my parents of this troubling news. They told him they believed in evolution, too. The family stopped going shortly after that.

/CSB
//the pastor was actually a cool guy
///retired when he realized how batshiat insane the rest of the church was becoming
2012-06-29 12:37:22 PM
1 votes:
I was raised in the Southern Baptist tradition, unquestioned obedience. I got kicked out of church school for asking too many questions. I also asked why my Dad did not have to go to church, he was an Athiest, I became an Athiest in 2nd grade. No more wasted Sundays at church.
2012-06-29 12:19:43 PM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: In other breaking news, some of the comedy stylings of Euripides look at Zeus in a rather harsh light. Newsbusters to whine about this incessantly at 11pm.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Anyway, I remember seeing billboards from the Freedom From Religion Foundation featuring this woman. I guess she was the biggest star they could get?

Atheists aren't really known to care for joining clubs, usually part of the reason they're atheists is they have better things to do than get together with a bunch of people and talk about imaginary things. Or if they do it involves rolling a lot of dice and writing character sheets.


My wife was ragging on me about playing D&D one time and I made a very delicate, clever, tangential comparison to her occasional and random church attendance. She did not find it to be delicate, clever, or tangential.

/grapple rules make more sense than transubstantiation
//at least I KNOW I'm playing make believe
2012-06-29 11:59:10 AM
1 votes:

douchebag/hater: The irony that she (and others) hates a God (and his representatives) that she claim doesn't exist woould be funny if it weren't so sad.


I am curious: do you claim that Ms. Sweeney "hates a God" because you are dishonest, or do you suffer mental retardation?
2012-06-29 11:50:52 AM
1 votes:

Psychomancer: Just another niiny who doesn't know what separation of church and state really means. Religion is culture, you don't protect the state from it, you protect the culture from the government imposing on it.


So you let a religion take over the government so it can ignore the separation of church and state and start imposing itself on the country through the government? Seems kind of retarded.

Anyway, I remember seeing billboards from the Freedom From Religion Foundation featuring this woman. I guess she was the biggest star they could get? Though I suspect that if she and Victoria Jackson ever made contact they'd annihilate each other in a tremendous explosion of energy.
2012-06-29 11:46:48 AM
1 votes:
This is news? She's been an atheist for many years.

Besides she's a farking moran.

Not for her atheism but for her political beliefs.

The irony that she (and others) hates a God (and his representatives) that she claim doesn't exist woould be funny if it weren't so sad.

Plus her position that others with differing veiwpoints should be suppressed is a scarey.
2012-06-29 11:45:46 AM
1 votes:
Just another niiny who doesn't know what separation of church and state really means. Religion is culture, you don't protect the state from it, you protect the culture from the government imposing on it.
2012-06-29 11:41:08 AM
1 votes:

GungFu: FTFA: "Hi, I'm Julia Sweeney, and I'm a cultural Catholic," she says. "I'm no longer a believer...'


What's a 'cultural Catholic' and non-believer?

I'm confused.

/like Pat


she has catholic guilt for not believing in god and upsetting the virgin mary
2012-06-29 11:31:30 AM
1 votes:
she's awful and unfunny. Like Margaret Cho.
2012-06-29 11:26:59 AM
1 votes:

gunga galunga: Then who said "ha"?


Nobody watching her on "SNL."
2012-06-29 11:01:31 AM
1 votes:
It's Pat has my vote for worst recurring skit on SNL. One joke that wanot the least bit funny in any way, designed to make no one laugh.
2012-06-29 11:01:28 AM
1 votes:
Saw Letting Go Of God on TV a while back. It was good stuff. I didn't think I'd enjoy a monologue, but I did very much.

But, yeah, this isn't news.
 
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