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2012-06-29 12:11:56 AM
Not only that, but many prescription drug users are shooting up their stuff as well. Walk into any pharmacy in America, ask for 30g 1/2" 1 CC needles. Look at the expression on their face when you ask.

It's even better when they pick up pain medication and the needles at the same time.

Their hands are so goddamn filthy. Dude. Seriously? That is so gross.
 
2012-06-29 12:59:06 AM

NewportBarGuy: It's even better when they pick up pain medication and the needles at the same time.

Their hands are so goddamn filthy. Dude. Seriously? That is so gross.


Is there a law or something that says you have to sell them syringes despite your better judgement?
 
2012-06-29 01:04:25 AM
As one of the biggest pro-legalization of all drugs on Fark, I put most of the blame on the drug user. You dont have to shoot up a lot of drugs. You can smoke it, you can snort it, hell, you can even use it as a suppository.
 
2012-06-29 01:05:37 AM

violentsalvation: Is there a law or something that says you have to sell them syringes despite your better judgement?


It's retail. The law is, keep your job and give the customer whatever the hell they want.

I'm sure some states have rules, but there were none I was made aware of when I was there. The pharmacist could, but they get ridden like broken mules by their respective companies. Make everyone happy and give us glowing customer reviews!

It's soul-sucking, truly.

/so happy to have left it behind.
 
2012-06-29 01:16:21 AM

NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: Is there a law or something that says you have to sell them syringes despite your better judgement?

It's retail. The law is, keep your job and give the customer whatever the hell they want.

I'm sure some states have rules, but there were none I was made aware of when I was there. The pharmacist could, but they get ridden like broken mules by their respective companies. Make everyone happy and give us glowing customer reviews!

It's soul-sucking, truly.

/so happy to have left it behind.


My friend who looks just like me and has an identical fark handle used to be hooked on some bad crap and unless he was looking chipper and had his whole "my grandma has the die uh beetus and needs this gauge or that" spiel ready to roll kindly off the tongue they would just laugh and say NO.
 
2012-06-29 01:25:59 AM

violentsalvation: My friend who looks just like me and has an identical fark handle used to be hooked on some bad crap and unless he was looking chipper and had his whole "my grandma has the die uh beetus and needs this gauge or that" spiel ready to roll kindly off the tongue they would just laugh and say NO.


I got a lot of the grandma stuff. My absolute favorite was "I found a sick bird and that's how I'm feeding it. With a needle."
 
2012-06-29 01:36:43 AM

NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: My friend who looks just like me and has an identical fark handle used to be hooked on some bad crap and unless he was looking chipper and had his whole "my grandma has the die uh beetus and needs this gauge or that" spiel ready to roll kindly off the tongue they would just laugh and say NO.

I got a lot of the grandma stuff. My absolute favorite was "I found a sick bird and that's how I'm feeding it. With a needle."


lol.

You probably have no idea what goes into the creative thought processes of that scale and the amount of prep work that was done in the car just prior to walking in.
 
2012-06-29 03:04:50 AM

violentsalvation: Is there a law or something that says you have to sell them syringes despite your better judgement?


Well, on the one hand, if you don't sell them the clean needle, they'll "borrow" a dirty one.

On the other hand, they're about to turn those clean needles into dirty needles and pass them around.
 
2012-06-29 03:20:49 AM

kingoomieiii: violentsalvation: Is there a law or something that says you have to sell them syringes despite your better judgement?

Well, on the one hand, if you don't sell them the clean needle, they'll "borrow" a dirty one.

On the other hand, they're about to turn those clean needles into dirty needles and pass them around.


There are places in Seattle that pass out clean ones; or they used to. Eh, maybe their funding got cut too.
 
2012-06-29 09:17:09 AM
Legalize weed. Shoot meth and crank heads dead.
The sooner everyone can grow their own melloing agents and we don't have to worry about speed freaks stealing our shuff, the better this country will be.
 
2012-06-29 09:18:04 AM
Decriminalize it.

All of it.
 
2012-06-29 09:19:19 AM
obviously, the solution is to heap MORE shame and degradation on drug addicts.
 
2012-06-29 09:19:57 AM
C'mon! No one is going to use a dirty needle given a choice. Heroin does not cause brain-damage.
 
2012-06-29 09:20:25 AM
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2012-06-29 09:21:18 AM

NewportBarGuy: Not only that, but many prescription drug users are shooting up their stuff as well. Walk into any pharmacy in America, ask for 30g 1/2" 1 CC needles. Look at the expression on their face when you ask.

It's even better when they pick up pain medication and the needles at the same time.

Their hands are so goddamn filthy. Dude. Seriously? That is so gross.


When I was buying them I always just asked for 'microfine half cc's'. And a chill filled the room. The only store that ever gave me shiat was CVS, but they eventually relented.
 
2012-06-29 09:22:12 AM
Serious question: Can needles not be somehow sterilized before reuse?
 
2012-06-29 09:25:24 AM
This seems like a self-correcting problem.
 
2012-06-29 09:26:24 AM
I don't think that elimination of intravenous drug users is an "unintended consequence"; I think it of more as a "key feature".

/i'mokwiththis.jpg
 
2012-06-29 09:30:33 AM
I believe they can be rinsed with a mild bleach solution.
 
2012-06-29 09:31:01 AM

The Face Of Oblivion: I don't think that elimination of intravenous drug users is an "unintended consequence"; I think it of more as a "key feature".

/i'mokwiththis.jpg


Yeah, how's that going?
 
2012-06-29 09:31:42 AM
My policy on needles: just sell them! Like the article says, it's about harm prevention. No need for a power trip. The only reasonable exception is if your pharmacy has recurring issues with people shooting up in the bathroom, then it becomes about keeping your employees/customers safe (the trash bin ain't a sharps container).
 
2012-06-29 09:34:04 AM
What do you mean, "unintended", subby?
 
2012-06-29 09:34:33 AM
First they want clean needles, then they want abortions. Then they reject Jesus and wont go to heaven.


This is why needles are bad.
 
2012-06-29 09:38:06 AM
Not a cool story:

I used to have a close friend who later became a heavy heroin user. He would shoot up with this who was, I found out, HIV positive. Once I realized that I couldn't stop my old friend from using, I started buying syringes from a nearby pharmacy. One time a pharmacist asked me what they were for. I told her that they were for my friend who was a drug user, and I was trying to keep him from contracting HIV. She looked a little sad but didn't even blink as she rang up the syringes.

My friend eventually died of an overdose. I have no idea what happened to the guy he used to shoot up with.
 
2012-06-29 09:48:30 AM

NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: Is there a law or something that says you have to sell them syringes despite your better judgement?

It's retail. The law is, keep your job and give the customer whatever the hell they want.

I'm sure some states have rules, but there were none I was made aware of when I was there. The pharmacist could, but they get ridden like broken mules by their respective companies. Make everyone happy and give us glowing customer reviews!

It's soul-sucking, truly.

/so happy to have left it behind.


Pharmacists in America don't seem to have a problem denying emergency contraceptives to people, but the druggies gotta have their needles!
 
2012-06-29 09:54:11 AM

vudukungfu: Legalize weed. Shoot meth and crank heads dead.
The sooner everyone can grow their own melloing agents and we don't have to worry about speed freaks stealing our shuff, the better this country will be.


do u know how GAY you sound!!
 
2012-06-29 09:54:23 AM
You seen some of the "cartel videos" coming out of Mexico?

I don't go looking for this stuff - Liveleak is hardly an over-the-top deathporn gore site - but this is just sick. a fella [brother of a prosecuter, apparently] has the LIVING SHIATERS beaten out of him with baseball bats, while his tormenters do a goofy dance to goofy music. You see his freaken rib cage slowly caving in.

Oh yeah, all the time he is being pumped full of electricity as he writhes and screams on the floor.

And this is TAME compared to one or two other cartel torture videos I've seen since. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been shocked by something on the internet in the last decade.

GRAPHIC NOT SAFE FOR WORK

www.narcored.com
 
2012-06-29 09:55:22 AM

markfara: Serious question: Can needles not be somehow sterilized before reuse?


Not that many drug users have access to an autoclave.
 
2012-06-29 09:57:02 AM
syringes are cheap. One of the best ways to combat this is

GIVE THEM FREE ONES
 
2012-06-29 09:59:51 AM

Big Ramifications: You seen some of the "cartel videos" coming out of Mexico?

I don't go looking for this stuff - Liveleak is hardly an over-the-top deathporn gore site - but this is just sick. a fella [brother of a prosecuter, apparently] has the LIVING SHIATERS beaten out of him with baseball bats, while his tormenters do a goofy dance to goofy music. You see his freaken rib cage slowly caving in.

Oh yeah, all the time he is being pumped full of electricity as he writhes and screams on the floor.

And this is TAME compared to one or two other cartel torture videos I've seen since. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been shocked by something on the internet in the last decade.

GRAPHIC NOT SAFE FOR WORK

[hot like an ass repeatedly hit by a baseball bat image 430x290]

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FARK THAT! I spell checked it but then proceded to use the dud draft. Apologies.

// perfectionist
// kind of.... when I want to be
 
2012-06-29 10:05:42 AM

ruetheday69: markfara: Serious question: Can needles not be somehow sterilized before reuse?

Not that many drug users have access to an autoclave.


well they're gonna get their permits yanked if they don't get with the program
 
2012-06-29 10:12:30 AM
The war on drugs also has the unintended consequence of encouraging terrorism as well.

Personally, I'm not sure legalizing ALL drugs would be the best idea socially or not, but it would definitely be preferable to our current policy.

Personally.... I think weed should be fully legal (there's no compelling rational argument against it which is supported by actual facts), the rest should be decriminalized. I'd be open to truly draconian punishments for importation or manufacture of stuff like meth and coke, but ONLY if weed was legalized so that users in general would have a cheap, readily available high that was relatively healthy.
 
2012-06-29 10:14:58 AM

markfara: Serious question: Can needles not be somehow sterilized before reuse?


not in a urine soaked alley behind a crack house
 
2012-06-29 10:17:40 AM
It's not very palatable, but if we don't start dying at a greater rate we're in big trouble. there'll be useless old people stacked like firewood all over the globe.
 
2012-06-29 10:18:13 AM
It always comes down to one thing: almost always the real impact of drug abuse is the health of the user, not the victimization of society.

Yet, with decades of horrific "unintended consequences", prisons filled to the brim and a perfectly vibrant and violent underground trade that is barely threatened even by our over-the-top military response, our politicians still refuse to admit that drugs are a public health issue, not a criminal issue, and that you can't punish a person into not using drugs any more than you can punish a person into not having cancer.

Millions of people are dead, drug wars are raging in the third world, and we're wasting billions to keep this all happening so that a few people can feel smug and superior to "junkies" and "dopes". The entire drug policy is so far beyond absurd that Lewis Carrol couldn't have thought it up in his craziest dreams.
 
2012-06-29 10:20:02 AM
Any takers on when weed will be legal? 5, 10, 50 years? 100?
 
2012-06-29 10:20:20 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-29 10:21:20 AM

Crewmannumber6: It's not very palatable, but if we don't start dying at a greater rate we're in big trouble. there'll be useless old people stacked like firewood all over the globe.


They are firewood
 
2012-06-29 10:21:29 AM

Voiceofreason01: markfara: Serious question: Can needles not be somehow sterilized before reuse?

not in a urine soaked alley behind a crack house


Urine is a good sterilizer, though.
 
2012-06-29 10:25:18 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: It always comes down to one thing: almost always the real impact of drug abuse is the health of the user, not the victimization of society.

Yet, with decades of horrific "unintended consequences", prisons filled to the brim and a perfectly vibrant and violent underground trade that is barely threatened even by our over-the-top military response, our politicians still refuse to admit that drugs are a public health issue, not a criminal issue, and that you can't punish a person into not using drugs any more than you can punish a person into not having cancer.

Millions of people are dead, drug wars are raging in the third world, and we're wasting billions to keep this all happening so that a few people can feel smug and superior to "junkies" and "dopes". The entire drug policy is so far beyond absurd that Lewis Carrol couldn't have thought it up in his craziest dreams.


worth repeating
 
2012-06-29 10:26:55 AM

Bruxellensis: Any takers on when weed will be legal? 5, 10, 50 years? 100?


what weed? jimson weed is already legal in 49 out of 50 states
 
2012-06-29 10:28:38 AM

Big Ramifications: You seen some of the "cartel videos" coming out of Mexico?

I don't go looking for this stuff - Liveleak is hardly an over-the-top deathporn gore site - but this is just sick. a fella [brother of a prosecuter, apparently] has the LIVING SHIATERS beaten out of him with baseball bats, while his tormenters do a goofy dance to goofy music. You see his freaken rib cage slowly caving in.

Oh yeah, all the time he is being pumped full of electricity as he writhes and screams on the floor.

And this is TAME compared to one or two other cartel torture videos I've seen since. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been shocked by something on the internet in the last decade.

GRAPHIC NOT SAFE FOR WORK

[www.narcored.com image 430x290]


What's the point of bringing this up?

The only point i can see, is that ending the war on drugs would make drug cartels obsolete. When Portugal decriminalized all drugs people made all kinds of dire predictions, but it's worked very well for them.
 
2012-06-29 10:33:08 AM
Is it that hard to just have your own needle and keep it with you?

/when does the coke straw exchange program start?
 
2012-06-29 10:38:29 AM

cman: As one of the biggest pro-legalization of all drugs on Fark, I put most of the blame on the drug user. You dont have to shoot up a lot of drugs. You can smoke it, you can snort it, hell, you can even use it as a suppository.


From what I've been told, smoking or snorting something doesn't hold a candle to shooting up as far as intensity. So I think if addicts were able to be that rational and show that level of restraint, then they wouldn't have developed a full-blown addiction in the first place.
 
2012-06-29 10:38:38 AM

CruJones: Is it that hard to just have your own needle and keep it with you?

/when does the coke straw exchange program start?


you mean rolled up $1005 bill program?
 
2012-06-29 10:46:00 AM

Big Ramifications: You seen some of the "cartel videos" coming out of Mexico?

I don't go looking for this stuff - Liveleak is hardly an over-the-top deathporn gore site - but this is just sick. a fella [brother of a prosecuter, apparently] has the LIVING SHIATERS beaten out of him with baseball bats, while his tormenters do a goofy dance to goofy music. You see his freaken rib cage slowly caving in.

Oh yeah, all the time he is being pumped full of electricity as he writhes and screams on the floor.

And this is TAME compared to one or two other cartel torture videos I've seen since. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been shocked by something on the internet in the last decade.



Duct tape: is there anything it can't do?


/vomits
 
2012-06-29 11:03:24 AM

J. Frank Parnell: GRAPHIC NOT SAFE FOR WORK

[www.narcored.com image 430x290]

What's the point of bringing this up?

~
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??? Um.

Coz it's a most unsavoury side effect of the war on drugs?

// I've been told drug cartel violence is a side effect
 
2012-06-29 11:05:31 AM

Big Ramifications: J. Frank Parnell: GRAPHIC NOT SAFE FOR WORK

[www.narcored.com image 430x290]

What's the point of bringing this up?
~
~
??? Um.

Coz it's a most unsavoury side effect of the war on drugs?



what good things does The War on Drugs do?
 
Biv
2012-06-29 11:05:55 AM
After reading the headline I can't get the concept of "Driving Ms. Aidsy" out of my head.
 
2012-06-29 11:13:06 AM

Big Ramifications: ~
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??? Um.

Coz it's a most unsavoury side effect of the war on drugs?

// I've been told drug cartel violence is a side effect


I thought you may have been using that case to present 'bad guys' which the war on drugs needs to fight, when in fact it empowers those people.
 
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