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(Daily Mail)   Man raped and abused 3 MN preteen girls, fled to Ireland and abused 2 more. US: Can we have him back, please? Britain: No. You'll just be mean to him. Besides, we already gave him a good talking to, and he's promised not to do it again   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-06-29 10:06:55 AM  

goatan: NotSubby: goatan: cwolf20: Brilliant. *as long as you promise to treat him with a pat on the head, we'll send him back*

nope so long as you agree to follow your own constitution then well send him back.

We don't want him back or we'd have agreed to your terms. Enjoy your rape rape. :)
then why try to extradite him in the first place? The US Governemnt got told and now your trying to pretend like you never wanted him back thats pathetic.
Enjoy your kangeroo courts and the violation of your constitution Enjoy the pride you seem to take in your own ignorance of the law. Enjoy being an ITG and crying yourself with fear to sleep at night. yes do indeed enjoy it all.


Why so serious? I actually agree on the need for universal trials by jury, even if the verdict is criminally insane.

Still, I see some potential humour in the idea that we can ship our criminals to the EU and never have to try them. Sorta like using the EU as a penal colony. There's a bit of poetic justice in the idea.
 
2012-06-29 10:12:54 AM  

goatan: Well that certainly doesn't sound like that "treatment" programme is a complete failure then nor does it sound like an attempt to deny liberty without due process. Just give him a trial and then lock him up as long as you want. It seems that US government is not convinced he is guilty of what he has been accused and therefore don't want it to go to a trial.



Are you seriously that farking stupid? Mental diseases are generally difficult to "cure" by which we mean regular monitoring, therapy, and support. There's no magic pill that suddenly straightens things out and makes them perfectly normal. Given the severity of the mental disease and the high likelihood of re-offending it isn't surprising that authorities are extremely reluctant to release them.

That said do you honestly think that placing them in a medium/maximum security prison will be better for them? Especially knowing the particular contempt prisoners have for such criminals and the limited availability of any type of counseling?
 
2012-06-29 10:17:20 AM  
This scumbag goes free, but they just can't farking wait to extradite Assange.
 
2012-06-29 10:21:46 AM  

pxlboy: This scumbag goes free, but they just can't farking wait to extradite Assange.


Assange's extradition proceedings have been going on for a long time now and he isn't facing lifetime incarceration without due process. Specifics: they are the friend of reason.
 
2012-06-29 10:24:59 AM  
Gary McKinnon is certifiable. I don't know why he hasn't been put into an institution of some kind. I mean, he hacked into the CIA's computers looking for "little green men." Little. Green. Men. farking Marvin the Martian. Asperger's isn't a mental illness. He's got something else going on, and he should be medicated for it.

As for the choad who's the subject of this article, as abhorrent as it sounds, even child molesters have rights. That's what separates us from countries in the Middle East who whack your hands off with a scimitar if you steal a loaf of bread. If he hasn't been brought to trial in this country for his crimes, he should be extradited and put on trial. Doesn't matter if the UK likes the way we do things or not, he's still a US citizen, and thus is responsible for answering for his crimes in this country.
 
2012-06-29 10:25:03 AM  
We need one of our fans who are headed over to the Olympics take a day off from watching badminton, and handle this.
 
2012-06-29 10:31:38 AM  
Great Britian is dead... only Londonstan remains.
 
2012-06-29 10:34:46 AM  
maybe he should try
Young & Not legal
 
2012-06-29 10:36:58 AM  
My wife did her psychology dissertation on pedos and several studies found that once a pedo is caught the victim list is ususally at least 10x what they've caught them for. This is for the young kid type of real pedo not the 17 y/o boys with a teacher type.
 
2012-06-29 10:38:11 AM  

GT_bike: My wife did her psychology dissertation on pedos and several studies found that once a pedo is caught the victim list is ususally at least 10x what they've caught them for. This is for the young kid type of real pedo not the teacher w/ 17 y/o boys with type.


FTFM
 
2012-06-29 10:41:07 AM  

AbbeySomeone: That's comforting. I wonder why they mistrust this.


THIS.

Civil Confinement is VERY VERY scary. Limited judicial oversight, no due process, no appeal, no bail, no parole, no nothing... just you locked up and drugged into insensibility until some quack pshrink on the state payroll decides to let you go. And because said quack is probably paid by the head, he has a personal financial incentive NOT to release you any time soon.
 
2012-06-29 10:41:51 AM  

ethics-gradient: footshot: I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment.
I'm intrigued as to which bits we'd want to learn from....

The heart of the matter for me is the public's concerns and interests being taken into account by the legal system: you guys are way way ahead of us on that I feel, but the legal system with an elected element (including police, prosecutors and judges) needs to be overseen by disinterested professionals of the highest calibre in order to prevent demagogues and incompetents infiltrating it. You guys are way behind us in that respect I feel.


Heh, I'm not one of those guys, I'm one of you guys :P And did you just present your opinion in an eloquent and respectful manner? You're aware this is fark, right? ;)

If "the public's concerns and interests" mean you'd like tougher sentencing? I personally think we strike a reasonable balance in the UK, whereas the attention to public concerns in the US leans more towards punishment than rehabilitation. Lock them up and throw away the key doesn't hold well with me, neither does trial by media, but I'm admittedly a big soft lefty type :)

For a local example, I'd consider the Bulger case. The public interests (as reported by certain elements of the media at least), would be along the lines of "keep them locked up for life, they're evil". I'd question how that serves society in any way, especially given the age of the offenders at the time of the offence. I think too much emphasis can be placed on the public opinion and that sometimes works in contrary to the needs of society as a whole.

All just opinion of course :)
 
2012-06-29 10:43:00 AM  

JK47: ...

Are you seriously that farking stupid? Mental diseases are generally difficult to "cure" by which we mean regular monitoring, therapy, and support. There's no magic pill that suddenly straightens things out and makes them perfectly normal. Given the severity of the mental disease and the high likelihood of re-offending it isn't surprising that authorities are extremely reluctant to release them.

That said do you honestly think that placing them in a medium/maximum security prison will be better for them? Especially knowing the particular contempt prisoners have for such criminals and the limited availability of any type of counseling?


In 24 years they haven't released anyone. It isn't a treatment programme, it's a gulag.

John Ronson's book "The Psychopath Test" details some of his meetings with Bob Hare, the man who developed one of the main diagnostic tools used for determining if someone should be committed for psychopathy (sociopathy/antisocial personality disorder).

As you might imagine, Bob Hare is a pretty big fan of the idea that some people need to be committed for their own and society's good, but even he expressed the opinion that the American system abuses the rights of those being detained.
 
2012-06-29 10:44:15 AM  
FTFA: "Another example of the one-sided Extradition Act which"

Another example of the unedited Daily Fail article written by a barely literate muppet which
 
2012-06-29 10:44:29 AM  

clyph: AbbeySomeone: That's comforting. I wonder why they mistrust this.

THIS.

Civil Confinement is VERY VERY scary. Limited judicial oversight, no due process, no appeal, no bail, no parole, no nothing... just you locked up and drugged into insensibility until some quack pshrink on the state payroll decides to let you go. And because said quack is probably paid by the head, he has a personal financial incentive NOT to release you any time soon.


He raped multiple children, he should be facing the death penalty.
 
2012-06-29 10:46:38 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I mean, he hacked into the CIA's computers looking for "little green men." Little. Green. Men. farking Marvin the Martian.



To be fair, that's just the Daily Fail's poetic way of saying he was looking for evidence of the US government covering up evidence of proof of alien life, not ACTUALLY looking for Marvin the Martian or small men who were green and lived on mars. I mean, I think it's silly and pretty damn unlikely, but it's not like it's totally implausible. Our government hides a lot of shiat, and acts with pretty much total impunity when we feel entitle to - which is pretty much always in almost all things.

I simply don't think our government would be competent enough to be ABLE to hide proof of alien contact, not that it wouldn't be a-holish enough to try.
 
2012-06-29 10:53:16 AM  
To school the English justice system -

What would happen to him back in the USA is that he would most likely be conivcted of two counts of child molestation (no "Civil commitment" or what ever the hell they think). He would probably be sent to prison on one count and to probation (possibly lifetime) on the other when he was released from prison. This would ensure he received sex offender treatment. If he did not honor his probabtion grant, he would probably be revoke to prison on the second grant.
 
2012-06-29 10:59:30 AM  
The guy ran off to another country in order to avoid facing a trial for raping a couple of 11 year old girls. He ran to Ireland, where he was convicted of raping a couple of 12 year old girls.

So he "allegedly" rapes a couple of little girls, ducks the trial and escapes to another country where he's busted for the exact thing he was dodging trial for.

Draconian or not, he *was* convicted under a different court for a crime of the exact same nature, he has committed a crime in the U.S. by not submitting for fair trial and has incontrovertibly demonstrated he is a repeat offender and therefore dangerous. I may be wrong on the U.S. criminal bit since my Interweb lawyering is based on one cup of coffee and general irritability.

So sure, UK, you keep the guy y'all convicted after we couldn't because he ran off to do it again over there.
 
2012-06-29 11:00:22 AM  
Americans are often shocked to learn they have a harsher and less fair laws than other countries. That Supreme Court ruling this week to strike down laws requiring mandatory life without parole for juvenile murderers? No other country sentences juveniles to life without parole.

Civil commitment in the U.S. has turned out to be something of a boondoggle. As usual politicians thought it sounded great until they got the bill. Bona fide civil commitment requires medical professionals to actually treat people and help them manage their mental illness. Surprise! That's much more expensive than prison. It's become a question of what is the minimum, cheapest effort needed to make these programs seem legitimate enough that a judge won't call it a sham way to keep people locked up under a bogus pretext. Nobody gets released because the quality of treatment isn't there. It's become de facto life without parole at much higher cost than actual life without parole.

The UK is saving us a lot of money by keeping this guy.
 
2012-06-29 11:03:39 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Doesn't matter if the UK likes the way we do things or not, he's still a US citizen, and thus is responsible for answering for his crimes in this country.


Right, right.

Does that logic apply to other countries too? We should be returning political refugees to their countries of origin to face torture and death because, hey, that's their country and they broke the law?

The guy is a scumbag and deserves what he gets, sure, but your logic is awful.
 
2012-06-29 11:04:11 AM  
FTA: America's most wanted paedophile

...they're still trying...

newsbusters.org
 
2012-06-29 11:06:00 AM  

Nem Wan: Americans are often shocked to learn they have a harsher and less fair laws than other countries. That Supreme Court ruling this week to strike down laws requiring mandatory life without parole for juvenile murderers? No other country sentences juveniles to life without parole.

Civil commitment in the U.S. has turned out to be something of a boondoggle. As usual politicians thought it sounded great until they got the bill. Bona fide civil commitment requires medical professionals to actually treat people and help them manage their mental illness. Surprise! That's much more expensive than prison. It's become a question of what is the minimum, cheapest effort needed to make these programs seem legitimate enough that a judge won't call it a sham way to keep people locked up under a bogus pretext. Nobody gets released because the quality of treatment isn't there. It's become de facto life without parole at much higher cost than actual life without parole.

The UK is saving us a lot of money by keeping this guy.


I'll still take our flawed system over one that has no consequenses for raping children. If he does it again, the parents should sue the UK Gov. for letting him free to rape more children, it will be on their hands.
 
2012-06-29 11:09:51 AM  
For all those stating that people with 'Mental Diseases' should be locked-up indefinitely without a trial.....homosexuality was once a 'Mental Disease'.
 
2012-06-29 11:13:25 AM  
Maybe we should start sending all our child rapers there.
 
2012-06-29 11:14:08 AM  

ferretman: For all those stating that people with 'Mental Diseases' should be locked-up indefinitely without a trial.....homosexuality was once a 'Mental Disease'.


Are you trying to equate homosexuality with a "mental disease" that makes you want to rape children?
Both are "born that way" but thats about as far as the comparison goes.
 
2012-06-29 11:14:42 AM  

ferretman: For all those stating that people with 'Mental Diseases' should be locked-up indefinitely without a trial.....homosexuality was once a 'Mental Disease'.


Yeah, kiddy diddling is exactly like consensual sex between adults.
 
2012-06-29 11:15:45 AM  

ferretman: For all those stating that people with 'Mental Diseases' should be locked-up indefinitely without a trial.....homosexuality was once a 'Mental Disease'.


Claim your free turtle at the door.

images.paulpellerito.com
 
2012-06-29 11:19:45 AM  

ferretman: For all those stating that people with 'Mental Diseases' should be locked-up indefinitely without a trial.....homosexuality was once a 'Mental Disease'.


It's either that or a genetic aberration. NTTAWT
 
2012-06-29 11:24:28 AM  

goatan: NotSubby: goatan: NotSubby: goatan: cwolf20: Brilliant. *as long as you promise to treat him with a pat on the head, we'll send him back*

nope so long as you agree to follow your own constitution then well send him back.

We don't want him back or we'd have agreed to your terms. Enjoy your rape rape. :)
then why try to extradite him in the first place? The US Governemnt got told and now your trying to pretend like you never wanted him back thats pathetic.
Enjoy your kangeroo courts and the violation of your constitution Enjoy the pride you seem to take in your own ignorance of the law. Enjoy being an ITG and crying yourself with fear to sleep at night. yes do indeed enjoy it all.

Why so serious? I actually agree on the need for universal trials by jury, even if the verdict is criminally insane.

Still, I see some potential humour in the idea that we can ship our criminals to the EU and never have to try them. Sorta like using the EU as a penal colony. There's a bit of poetic justice in the idea.

I see paedophile and how we deal if it as serious subject to be discussed. some things shouldn't be trivialised whilst there actually being discussed. Good humour is obvious as good humour and should not look like a badly made ITG point.


Has fark changed so much?

Look, He's walking free after getting no time in Ireland (yeah I know it's not England) and is now living in the UK. On the face of it, child molestation is fairly trivial in your part of the world; why not have some fun with the subject?

Cuba sent their prisoners to Miami. I think we should do the same. It's cheaper to exile than house them.
 
2012-06-29 11:30:11 AM  

ferretman: For all those stating that people with 'Mental Diseases' should be locked-up indefinitely without a trial.....homosexuality was once a 'Mental Disease'.


And they used to be locked up without a trial or at the very best a sham trial. Gulags: the once and future solution to all our problems.
 
2012-06-29 11:34:07 AM  
Haha! It's funny becuase the conditions in US prisons would violate the Geneva convention! Ha ha!
 
2012-06-29 11:35:36 AM  

JackieRabbit: Assange's extradition proceedings have been going on for a long time now and he isn't facing lifetime incarceration without due process. Specifics: they are the friend of reason.


Assange is facing politically motivated extradition to the U.S. which has a known, acknowledged record of denying any and all rights to anyone who is designated on a list that is not public.

There is utterly no other reason Sweden would fail to give the same guarantees asked for in this case.
 
2012-06-29 11:38:53 AM  
Essentially they won't extradite him because the US courts have the option of letting him off easy? That's kind of a strange objection.

ferretman: For all those stating that people with 'Mental Diseases' should be locked-up indefinitely without a trial.....homosexuality was once a 'Mental Disease'.


For all those apparently confused about how involuntary commitment works, it only applies to mental diseases that result in violent or fairly severe property crimes. So unless your homosexuality was causing you to uncontrollably rape little boys this point is completely irrelevant to what's being discussed.
 
2012-06-29 11:45:44 AM  

ChubbyTiger: He should have his testicles removed and hung from the highest gate in London as a warning to others. That said, civil commitment is an unamerican and unconstitutional farce. I dislike the outcome, but justice in general must outweigh justice for this one arsehat.


Will you wave like this?

i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-29 11:48:03 AM  

AntiNerd: JackieRabbit: Assange's extradition proceedings have been going on for a long time now and he isn't facing lifetime incarceration without due process. Specifics: they are the friend of reason.

Assange is facing politically motivated extradition to the U.S. which has a known, acknowledged record of denying any and all rights to anyone who is designated on a list that is not public.

There is utterly no other reason Sweden would fail to give the same guarantees asked for in this case.


What the fark are you talking about?

Sweden hasn't been asked to guarantee Julian Assange will not be locked up indefinitely without trial because no one is alleging that Sweden locks people indefinitely without trial and no-one else is currently seeking to extradite Julian Assange.

If in the future the US were to seek the extradition of Julian Assange, then he has the same right to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights from Sweden as he would in the United Kingdom.
 
2012-06-29 11:54:21 AM  

Oxygen_Thief: ethics-gradient: Actually I'm pained to admit that seems like a fairly accurate article by the daily mail having read about this on the BBC and The Times.

Obviously he should go to America and face trial, but as he doesn't seem to have offended since he was in his 20s or so and it's now 18 years and he's living with an adult woman later I do wonder what this "America's Most Wanted Sex Criminal" status is about. Being charitable it seems like exaggeration at best.

The problem here is partly that influence on the British system by the European Convention on Human Rights has raised the definition of "Human Rights" to a ridiculous standard.
Secondly a truly halfwitted Extradition Act which Tony Blair signed with the USA because he trusted you guys. More fool him, now it seems that the British legal system can be manipulated by attention seeking local DAs of low moral status who would be lucky to get jobs as cleaning court floors over here and sloppy/dishonest/corrupt federal agencies.

In this particular case my first instinct is to say that the locals in Minnesota should be brought to heel but no doubt there are States Rights issues there so it's not possible.

So, although the legal system here is far from perfect and as a fellow common law country there is much we can and should learn from the US, I'm not eager to have your legal system over here as quite frankly it seems that large parts of it are shiattily run.
And don't get me started on Europe.

OK, rant over.

you make solid points and I do not intend to detract from that. However, at least on sexual abuse in my jurisdiction (I cannot speak to Minnesota) there is no statute of limitations on felony sexual assault crimes. What he allegedly did arises to a felony. At least from what I have read on the European Law..he should be returned. I have not found the opinion yet so I do not know on what legal basis the court denied that despite Daily Fails arguments which most likely have nothing to do with the actual law
...so for now I disagree with the British Courts determination. Despite the often over the top rhetoric the United States is not North Korea. ...


You know, you're right that we aren't North Korea. But I really, really don't mind if transforming this country's justice system into that of East Germany or pre-1991 Russia is what it takes to execute people like Sullivan, and then his family members just for uttering one single word in his defense (as I believe it should also be a political crime).

Despite it being the Daily Fail, at some point there are some things you cannot exaggerate. Like, you know, what's in the article.
 
2012-06-29 11:59:39 AM  

AbbeySomeone: What happened to his wife's chin?


England. England happened.
 
2012-06-29 12:03:19 PM  
Send in Seal Six.

Issue settled.
 
2012-06-29 12:10:30 PM  
www.motifake.com

/Too easy....
//Goofy mood today....
 
Heb
2012-06-29 12:11:39 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Actually, it reads to be more like:

Britain: Promise that won't lock him up for life without convicting him in a trial first
America: No


Quite. I just read about the programme and cannot believe it happens in a democracy. If he's a paedo, put him on trial and sentence him. But a programme that potentially allows life in jail without a trial hearing?

That is farked up.
 
2012-06-29 12:13:08 PM  

goatan: Compared to me you are a Fark whippersnapper do you even know what Rotsky is? Anyway back in my day we used to have some serious discussions and the discussion was usually more interesting than the story but boring trolls ITGs pony posters and others have changed that. and the comments that try to be humorous have mostly become repetitive and derivative with only a handful of individuals like pocket ninja making them worth Readingreeding. Most posts made are variations of the same thing again and again perhaps it's time to change it back bring back vaguely intelligent discussion.
The US government representative could not guarantee that he would receive due process so it would seem that both child molestation and due process are very trivial in your part of the world. If child molestation was taken seriously he would have gladly given the guarantee that they would do the right thing yet he didn't. It seem that keeping a legally, morally and scientifically dubious scheme going is more important to punishing/treating Child molesters.


Sorry, pet peeve.

Does that answer your question?

That you think due process is actually trivial is in itself humorous. Sure we do things different and our system has flaws (as all do) but you're painting the US as some sort of NAZI state where the gestapo can detain and shoot you for fun.

Your perceptions of the U.S. are as coloured by the media as our sense of the surrender mon, err French. When I was in Germany, people were convinced that we were having shootings OK corral style in every neighborhood.

As I've stated in my Weeners, you guys are welcome to keep the dude IMO. What shocks and disturbs me is that the Irish let him off after two rapes. To me, that's how rape is trivialized, not my inane comments on the intarwebs.
 
2012-06-29 12:16:33 PM  
But Julian Assange is going to be extradited, right?
 
2012-06-29 12:16:51 PM  
As much as I despise child molesters, the Civil Commitment law, which can be used for other criminal acts, is essentially a way to toss folks in jail without due process, something the US has violently and angrily protested in other nations for decades.

You also need to consider the fact that this bugger raped two more kids over there and was basically told not to do it again, pinky swear! So apparently they have a whole different outlook on child molesters.

Now, if you mess with a soccer match, they throw you in jail and toss away the key. Priorities, people!

Seriously, though, the Civil Commitment law is scary. Please note also that after the right of a trial by a jury of your peers was violated, the US bastardized Eminent Dominion Laws, meaning your land which could be taken only for the good of the nation can now be taken for the good of a developer and his backers.

A similar law to Civil Commitment, used far back in the 40's and 50's mainly for mental patients, was struck down as being unconstitutional.
 
Heb
2012-06-29 12:17:41 PM  

OscarTamerz: The limey cocksuckers have denied extradition on 9 people while we've never denied them their criminals. In addition they released the Lockerbie bomber early. Too bad it's their kids who are going to be the ones paying the price instead of the asswipe liberturds in the government.


Is Limey a generic term for people from all countries in the UK? I thought it was just for the English (and it was the Scottish who released the Lockerbie bomber)

As an aside, there has always been a HUGE doubt over al-Megrahi's conviction. Seems a bit of a stich up, though we'll never now know for sure

Link
 
Heb
2012-06-29 12:24:13 PM  

Benjamin Orr: smokinmic: so he's 34 now the "child molesting happened 18 years ago (1994) that means he was 16 and having sex with a 14 year old. i think i saw that 3 times on Jerry springer just last week.

The wife is 34... he is 43. So he was 25 and having sex with a 14 year old. See that on Springer very often?

Link


Not unless Jerry Lee Lewis did a special celebrity guest episode (though I think that was 13 and 22)

Come to think of it we hounded Lewis out of the UK when that came out. Oh how we've changed...
 
2012-06-29 12:27:55 PM  
JackieRabbit : Yeah, I agree with the British judges on this one. We set a dangerous precedent with our civil commitment of sex offenders. Some of them are criminally insane and, for the safety of all, they must be committed. But to make a person serve a lengthy prison sentence, with no effort to rehabilitate him/her, and then lock them up for life after their sentence has been served is just wrong, not to mention a burden to society. And state governments have way too much leeway in defining who and what constitutes a "violent" offender. Pedophiles cannot be cured, but they can learn impulse control and to redirect their sexual impulses. We are so freaked out about this issue that we do very little to help pedophiles. Instead, we just throw them in jail and then put them on a sex offender list. Some of the civil commitment programs do attempt to help offenders, but others are just a sham.

I agree, so much so that I think it bears repeating. (My underlining)

footshot :Heh, I'm not one of those guys, I'm one of you guys :P And did you just present your opinion in an eloquent and respectful manner? You're aware this is fark, right? ;)
Oh yeah, I got that. Sorry was in a hurry.

If "the public's concerns and interests" mean you'd like tougher sentencing? I personally think we strike a reasonable balance in the UK, whereas the attention to public concerns in the US leans more towards punishment than rehabilitation. Lock them up and throw away the key doesn't hold well with me, neither does trial by media, but I'm admittedly a big soft lefty type :)
Generally I agree, although a little more punishment in cases with clear victims would deter some of the worst I think.

For a local example, I'd consider the Bulger case. The public interests (as reported by certain elements of the media at least), would be along the lines of "keep them locked up for life, they're evil". I'd question how that serves society in any way, especially given the age of the offenders at the time of the offence. I think too much emphasis can be placed on the public opinion and that sometimes works in contrary to the needs of society as a whole.
All just opinion of course :)


Which I share. However we need to distinguish between what interests the public (public opinion) and the public interest (the needs of society), not something our tabloid press is particularly good at. In my opinion.
 
Heb
2012-06-29 12:31:10 PM  

Mouser: That's okay, I figure that when the Euro collapses and the Europeans start eating each other, he'll be among the first to be torn apart by the angry mobs.


When we "start" hating each other?

"Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?

Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?

Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We 'had' to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.

Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?

Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.

Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?

Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.

Hacker: What appalling cynicism.

Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister."
 
2012-06-29 12:43:09 PM  
And yet they're express extraditing that kid for copyright infringement, for linking to pirated material he didn't even host.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-29 12:45:25 PM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: What the fark are you talking about?

Sweden hasn't been asked to guarantee Julian Assange will not be locked up indefinitely without trial because no one is alleging that Sweden locks people indefinitely without trial and no-one else is currently seeking to extradite Julian Assange.

If in the future the US were to seek the extradition of Julian Assange, then he has the same right to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights from Sweden as he would in the United Kingdom.


You should read more. From this page:

Perhaps most disturbingly of all, Swedish law permits extreme levels of secrecy in judicial proceedings and oppressive pre-trial conditions, enabling any Swedish-US transactions concerning Assange to be conducted beyond public scrutiny. Ironically, even the US State Department condemned Sweden's "restrictive conditions for prisoners held in pretrial custody", including severe restrictions on their communications with the outside world.

Also

For several reasons, Assange has long feared that the US would be able to coerce Sweden into handing him over far more easily than if he were in Britain. For one, smaller countries such as Sweden are generally more susceptible to American pressure and bullying.
 
2012-06-29 12:48:03 PM  
So I see Britain has sunk to providing safe-havens for Pedophiles as well. Hope you all are proud of yourselves. Don't blame us when all the Pedos here flee convictions to start diddling your kids over there.
 
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