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2012-06-28 11:16:04 PM  
Paging CruiserTwelve, CruiserTwelve to thread 7187378 please
 
2012-06-28 11:19:04 PM  
Police really need to hire outside techies to handle anything computer related. Whoever reads and signs the warrants too probably.
 
2012-06-28 11:30:15 PM  
Welcome to 2012 America...
2.bp.blogspot.com

//where the coward in the mask with the gun always wins
 
2012-06-28 11:30:20 PM  

SDRR: [Not this thread again facepalm jpg]


That's what I was thinking, but once again the jack booted thugs are used to getting their way, and stomping on your freedoms, citizen...

I agree that some idiots have completely failed their reading comprehension if they didn't have a problem with this, considering how the real culprit got treated with a knock on the door, when the knee jerk reaction of sending out SWAT got the bad PR...

I hope this family got more compensation that just "Damages repaired"... What about mental anguish?
 
rka
2012-06-28 11:31:02 PM  

austin_millbarge: baka-san: When did we become so damn afraid, needing to swing the big dick as a Weeners.

It's not about fear, it's about the Rambo complex. We live in a nation of man-children who want to live out their childhood fantasies of being a hero.


A bit of both. These guys will come with guns a blazin, all Rambo, if they think they have the drop on you. But, the minute that there might be any real danger they'll all hunker down behind their SUVs and wait for backup after backup.

Go look at the complete cowardice that the entire Denver metro area police forces showed during Columbine. Two kids with guns, who had killed themselves 30 minutes into the "standoff", caused a hundred cops to piss in their boots outside for 4 hours while innocent people bled to death.
 
2012-06-28 11:31:06 PM  
I wonder what she was watching when she had the shiat scared out her.
 
2012-06-28 11:31:52 PM  

Nuclear Monk: I'm not so sure you can have that 'reasonable' expectation though. You are providing a means to perform actions, including illegal ones, online under your name (or IP address, anyway) if you leave the network unsecured. It'd kinda be like openly advertising your car is freely available to borrow anonymously.


No, it's not.
 
2012-06-28 11:32:47 PM  
The correct answer is...
Paging CruiserTwelve, CruiserTwelve to thread 7187378 please

Cruiser has changed his life mission.

There might be an owner of a taurus or a brony doctor willing to comment.


Smackledorfer
Police really need to hire outside techies to handle anything computer related. Whoever reads and signs the warrants too probably.


And slow down the tactical decision making by the police. They have toys they need to use.
 
2012-06-28 11:33:47 PM  
"They had a warrant. Sometimes warrants turn up nothing. Her home was repaired. On with your life now crusader!!! Lol"

My response to this would be:

"So you would be OK if they did this to you?"
 
2012-06-28 11:34:57 PM  

baka-san: And if the homeowner had a gun, and thought, as most of us would, they were under attack(which they were) and shots were traded, wounding or killing one or more people?

How about a little more "policing" and less "COD" guys.

It says serve and protect, not search and destroy on the cars...

When did we become so damn afraid, needing to swing the big dick as a Weeners.


For the most part, we aren't afraid and we don't need them. The government, long ago, stopped giving a damn what the people want.
 
2012-06-28 11:39:15 PM  
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-06-28 11:40:02 PM  
rka
A bit of both. These guys will come with guns a blazin, all Rambo, if they think they have the drop on you. But, the minute that there might be any real danger they'll all hunker down behind their SUVs and wait for backup after backup.
Go look at the complete cowardice that the entire Denver metro area police forces showed during Columbine. Two kids with guns, who had killed themselves 30 minutes into the "standoff", caused a hundred cops to piss in their boots outside for 4 hours while innocent people bled to death.


Link
Note, police is number 10 in this report.
No. 1: Fishers and related fishing workers
No. 2: Logging workers
No. 3: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
No. 4: Structural iron and steel workers
No. 5: Farmers and ranchers
No. 6: Electrical power-line installers and repairers
No. 7: Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
No. 9: Refuse and recyclable material collectors
No. 10: Police and sheriff's patrol officers
No. 11: Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
 
2012-06-28 11:46:22 PM  

cretinbob: I love open wifi connections


=========

A friend of mine just moved to a new apartment building and wasn't happy to find out he had to wait two weeks until his cable and internet were to be hooked up. He logged on to his computer to see if there was anybody with an open connection, but there wasn't. It took him less than five minutes to find someone using "password" as their password. In all he "borrowed" a half a dozen different Wi-Fi signals until his internet was set up. All the passwords were either "qwerty" "12345" or "password"


/No he didn't go to any "bad" sites, at least that is his story
//Yes, his password is a little harder to bust
 
2012-06-28 11:47:01 PM  

studebaker hoch: PTSD


http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-swat-team-cleared-marines-killing/st o ry?id=13842029

http://newsone.com/1260825/arizona-swat-team-kills-marine-in-botched- r aid/
 
2012-06-28 11:48:23 PM  

Enemabag Jones: rka
A bit of both. These guys will come with guns a blazin, all Rambo, if they think they have the drop on you. But, the minute that there might be any real danger they'll all hunker down behind their SUVs and wait for backup after backup.
Go look at the complete cowardice that the entire Denver metro area police forces showed during Columbine. Two kids with guns, who had killed themselves 30 minutes into the "standoff", caused a hundred cops to piss in their boots outside for 4 hours while innocent people bled to death.

Link
Note, police is number 10 in this report.
No. 1: Fishers and related fishing workers
No. 2: Logging workers
No. 3: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
No. 4: Structural iron and steel workers
No. 5: Farmers and ranchers
No. 6: Electrical power-line installers and repairers
No. 7: Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
No. 9: Refuse and recyclable material collectors
No. 10: Police and sheriff's patrol officers
No. 11: Taxi drivers and chauffeurs


All these.
 
2012-06-28 11:52:58 PM  

andyofne: Nuclear Monk: I'm not so sure you can have that 'reasonable' expectation though. You are providing a means to perform actions, including illegal ones, online under your name (or IP address, anyway) if you leave the network unsecured. It'd kinda be like openly advertising your car is freely available to borrow anonymously.

No, it's not.


How so? You leave the keys in the car and put a sign out saying it's available to borrow. If someone borrows the car and goes on a little crime spree (or hell, just goes through a red light camera), the police are going to be using the license plate to trace it back to you. It's not that you're guilty of committing any crime, but it's reasonable to expect attention from the police because you couldn,t be troubled to take simple steps to limit the accessibility of something with your name on it.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:38 PM  

rka: Go look at the complete cowardice that the entire Denver metro area police forces showed during Columbine. Two kids with guns, who had killed themselves 30 minutes into the "standoff", caused a hundred cops to piss in their boots outside for 4 hours while innocent people bled to death.


Not a cop defender by any means but your post is the epitome of hindsight.
Cops are mostly trained to secure and contain a scene with an active shooter, then call in SWAT. No one had any idea they were teens.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:01 PM  

Enemabag Jones: rka
A bit of both. These guys will come with guns a blazin, all Rambo, if they think they have the drop on you. But, the minute that there might be any real danger they'll all hunker down behind their SUVs and wait for backup after backup.
Go look at the complete cowardice that the entire Denver metro area police forces showed during Columbine. Two kids with guns, who had killed themselves 30 minutes into the "standoff", caused a hundred cops to piss in their boots outside for 4 hours while innocent people bled to death.

Link
Note, police is number 10 in this report.
No. 1: Fishers and related fishing workers
No. 2: Logging workers
No. 3: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
No. 4: Structural iron and steel workers
No. 5: Farmers and ranchers
No. 6: Electrical power-line installers and repairers
No. 7: Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
No. 9: Refuse and recyclable material collectors
No. 10: Police and sheriff's patrol officers
No. 11: Taxi drivers and chauffeurs


I suddenly wish to become a fisherman. Just thinking "made it home alive" at the end of the day would be extremely fulfilling.

Why yes, I AM an adrenaline junkie. How did you guess?
 
2012-06-29 12:01:05 AM  

dlp211: freewill: hej: Wifi security is simple enough to set up. If you're too lazy to turn it on, you deserve to be assaulted by a SWAT team.

^ This should be printed on the front of the Quick Start guide that comes with the router.

Again, you have the right to not run a secure network and should reasonably expect not to be raided by SWAT.


In principle, I agree with you, but this isn't a perfect world.

If you leave your garage open and drug dealers start making meth in it at night, the police may become legitimately confused and you may end up devoting a lot of resources to clearing up a dangerous misunderstanding.

Your router isn't different.

This is, of course, a separate issue from whether or not throwing flashbangs is a reasonable response to some dumbass kid making threats on the internet in the first place.
 
2012-06-29 12:06:02 AM  

freewill:


If you leave your garage open and drug dealers start making meth in it at night, the police may become legitimately confused and you may end up devoting a lot of resources to clearing up a dangerous misunderstanding.

Your router isn't different.



I tried making meth with my router but it leaks too much.

I guess it needs more

*sunglasses*

Tweaking

YYYEEEAAAHHH
 
2012-06-29 12:06:09 AM  
lewismarktwo:

Link
Note, police is number 10 in this report.
No. 1: Fishers and related fishing workers
No. 2: Logging workers
No. 3: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
No. 4: Structural iron and steel workers
No. 5: Farmers and ranchers
No. 6: Electrical power-line installers and repairers
No. 7: Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
No. 9: Refuse and recyclable material collectors
No. 10: Police and sheriff's patrol officers
No. 11: Taxi drivers and chauffeurs


Also, there was a bit of a cockup in the numbering. Piggy is #9.
 
2012-06-29 12:10:38 AM  
Just think: if this was the 1990s, there would never be a point where everyone realized the cops overdid it. They'd have put those neighbors in a head lock, confiscated anything electronic including alarm clocks, and the news would call them "computer hackers" and report that, thankfully, nobody was killed by the Internet bomb.

When I was in grad school, I saw a 20/20 special about a computer hacker who ran some scripts to deface web sites. Because he defaced a NATO home page, they showed footage of missiles firing and breathlessly reported that the web page contained "crucial links to other sites" but---thankfully---nobody was killed.

I would have thrown something at the TV, but instead I told myself that this was probably the last time a news magazine could get away with this level of computer illiteracy, and only because their audience was mostly the Matlock crowd.
 
2012-06-29 12:23:56 AM  
Luckily, for them, those cowards didn't try that at my house!
 
2012-06-29 12:26:53 AM  
All you folks making analogies to unlocked houses, open garages and unattended cars should keep something in mind; each of those requires someone to physically enter and/or steal your property to perpetrate a crime. Using open wifi is NOT the same and is generally NOT treated as a criminal act (despite a few edge cases). If it was, cops would already be rolling with AP/direction finder combos in their cars, waiting for people to connect and busting them for unauthorized use wholesale. It'd be easy to do with some cheap hardware and a little bit of design work, and we all know how much they love the easy busts. Call it the digital equivalent of a bait car.
 
2012-06-29 12:28:19 AM  

Buffet: Luckily, for them, those cowards didn't try that at my house!


There really are some people that keep themselves cloistered with weapons to hand.

You probably won't find them on Fark, though.
 
2012-06-29 12:32:09 AM  

dlp211: hej: Wifi security is simple enough to set up. If you're too lazy to turn it on, you deserve to be assaulted by a SWAT team.

It is simple to set up, but not everyone knows that it even exists. Also you have the right to not run a secure network and should have a reasonable expectation that SWAT won't assault your house.

I worked with an FBI SWAT agent for some time in Afghanistan and we were talking about missions and the difference between conducting operations in America and in Afghanistan. He started talking about this big bust and I chimed in I would just of went in guns a blazin'. He asked me why, we sat there and reasoned it out. Our conclusion, there is never any initial circumstance that SWAT should just go assaulting a house because it is a high risk-low reward situation.

It is time to demilitarize American police forces.


No.
 
2012-06-29 12:34:47 AM  

OniNeko: Buffet: Luckily, for them, those cowards didn't try that at my house!

There really are some people that keep themselves cloistered with weapons to hand.

You probably won't find them on Fark, though.


The only weapons I have, or need, are my bare hands.
 
2012-06-29 12:50:39 AM  

Enemabag Jones: rka
A bit of both. These guys will come with guns a blazin, all Rambo, if they think they have the drop on you. But, the minute that there might be any real danger they'll all hunker down behind their SUVs and wait for backup after backup.
Go look at the complete cowardice that the entire Denver metro area police forces showed during Columbine. Two kids with guns, who had killed themselves 30 minutes into the "standoff", caused a hundred cops to piss in their boots outside for 4 hours while innocent people bled to death.

Link
Note, police is number 10 in this report.
No. 1: Fishers and related fishing workers
No. 2: Logging workers
No. 3: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
No. 4: Structural iron and steel workers
No. 5: Farmers and ranchers
No. 6: Electrical power-line installers and repairers
No. 7: Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
No. 9: Refuse and recyclable material collectors
No. 10: Police and sheriff's patrol officers
No. 11: Taxi drivers and chauffeurs


I know the internet hates Adam Carolla this week, but he's made exactly the same point. Basically, that cops and firefighters reap a lot of benefits for being action heroes, but when the shiat gets truly hot, the majority of them pull back because, Jesus, it's dangerous in there.

Not saying I could do a cop's job, but I am saying if you're going to accept all the adulation and use it to pick up chicks, you should be required to do the hard part as well.
 
2012-06-29 12:52:37 AM  

deadcrickets: "They had a warrant. Sometimes warrants turn up nothing. Her home was repaired. On with your life now crusader!!! Lol"

My response to this would be:

"So you would be OK if they did this to you?"


As long as no one got hurt it'd make for an awesome story.
 
2012-06-29 12:55:22 AM  
What is his Fark ID???

Noodle heads come on here thinking they are just big bad asses

LOL, wait, what is HIS Fark ID?
 
2012-06-29 12:55:51 AM  
Wait, how come her home is being repaired?

Police have repeatedly asserted that they don't owe you shiat if they break into the wrong house; why the exception with these plebs?
 
2012-06-29 12:56:13 AM  

ialdabaoth: dlp211: hej: Wifi security is simple enough to set up. If you're too lazy to turn it on, you deserve to be assaulted by a SWAT team.

It is simple to set up, but not everyone knows that it even exists. Also you have the right to not run a secure network and should have a reasonable expectation that SWAT won't assault your house.

I worked with an FBI SWAT agent for some time in Afghanistan and we were talking about missions and the difference between conducting operations in America and in Afghanistan. He started talking about this big bust and I chimed in I would just of went in guns a blazin'. He asked me why, we sat there and reasoned it out. Our conclusion, there is never any initial circumstance that SWAT should just go assaulting a house because it is a high risk-low reward situation.

It is time to demilitarize American police forces.

No.


Yes. It is past time to demilitarize the American police. Violent thugs using military tactics and equipment are not necessary to enforce American laws. Enough is enough.
 
2012-06-29 01:05:08 AM  
You geniuses got any plans for how to handle violent conflict in the world you breathlessly envision without police? Those guys get shot at as part of their jobs. You ever been shot at? You don't think that might make you a little cautious?

Wear a uniform and knock on a druglord's door sometime.
 
2012-06-29 01:05:25 AM  

ialdabaoth: No.


Why am I not surprised you are from Arizona.
 
2012-06-29 01:08:03 AM  
Rug Doctor,
I know the internet hates Adam Carolla this week, but he's made exactly the same point. Basically, that cops and firefighters reap a lot of benefits for being action heroes, but when the shiat gets truly hot, the majority of them pull back because, Jesus, it's dangerous in there.
Not saying I could do a cop's job, but I am saying if you're going to accept all the adulation and use it to pick up chicks, you should be required to do the hard part as well.


I don't know why the internet hates Adam Carolla this week. Seeing his previous stuff he is a non-corporate liberterian like Joe Rogan, and Doug Stanhope. He probably said something direct and honest that some god fearing americans don't want to hear as it challenges their ideas of reality.

And isn't that the point of bullies, go for the low hanging fruit to climb up in the world.
 
2012-06-29 01:09:30 AM  

studebaker hoch: What happens when these SWAT boneheads hit a "wrong address" house with armed PTSD veterans inside?


veteran dies
 
2012-06-29 01:10:13 AM  

NightSteel: All you folks making analogies to unlocked houses, open garages and unattended cars should keep something in mind; each of those requires someone to physically enter and/or steal your property to perpetrate a crime.


A dropped wallet requires none of the above, but that doesn't mean you have an inherent right to store your wallet on a park bench, nor does it mean that you shouldn't expect the police to investigate you when some criminal "drops" your wallet and ID after a robbery.

I'm not saying that a paramilitary swat team is a fair response to something like "Drew is a big fat doody head", but the police did have a reasonable suspicion that the house in TFA is where the "crime" was committed.
 
2012-06-29 01:11:22 AM  

ialdabaoth:

No.


Wow... What a well thought out and lengthy rebuttal.

There is NO GODDAMN EXCUSE for this behavior. NONE. Not only did they not get the right person, but they traumatized a family for someone posting a message on an internet board? SWAT teams are not supposed to be used in this manner. For a hostage situation? Sure. Armed standoff? Yeah. Someone posting an anonymous threat online? HELL NO. There is no reason they couldn't just go up and knock on the door. Especially when that's what they did when they finally DID have the right person identified.
 
2012-06-29 01:11:31 AM  
BREAKING NEWS: Al Qaeda #2 found hiding at area Starbucks. SEAL Team responding. Ric has more at 11
 
2012-06-29 01:18:03 AM  
Dokushin - bachelorhood, single, unmarried, celibate
You geniuses got any plans for how to handle violent conflict in the world you breathlessly envision without police? Those guys get shot at as part of their jobs. You ever been shot at? You don't think that might make you a little cautious?
Wear a uniform and knock on a druglord's door sometime.


1-They were not forced to become a cop. They chose a more exciting job with relative job security, better pay for the cost of entrance, and good social benefits.
2-Cop is next to sanitation engineer and taxi driver in terms of how dangerous it is.
3-I would be that if it was a known *druglord's door they would either not knock or come in with full paramilitary protection.

*By druglord do you mean a neighborhood dealer, a local thug higher up in the chain, or someone living in a mansion with security?
 
2012-06-29 01:19:38 AM  

NightSteel: All you folks making analogies to unlocked houses, open garages and unattended cars should keep something in mind; each of those requires someone to physically enter and/or steal your property to perpetrate a crime. Using open wifi is NOT the same and is generally NOT treated as a criminal act (despite a few edge cases). If it was, cops would already be rolling with AP/direction finder combos in their cars, waiting for people to connect and busting them for unauthorized use wholesale. It'd be easy to do with some cheap hardware and a little bit of design work, and we all know how much they love the easy busts. Call it the digital equivalent of a bait car.


Actually, I gather that this is a complicated issue that involves a lot of poorly written state laws. It's certainly risky to infer that just because the police don't actively investigate, it must not be a crime.

Without trying to comment on individual statutes, just to follow your analogy, even if there is no other criminal act involved (like breaking and entering or theft), using someone's unlocked router is still similar in principle to trespass, and I believe this is the charge in those "edge cases". The router *is* the homeowner's property, installed on their property, and you're using it. The owner left the door unlocked or left their property in plain view in their yard, maybe even within reach of the sidewalk, but that doesn't mean you have any implied authorization to use it.

When you begin using this unlawful, unauthorized access in order to commit another, potentially more serious, criminal act, I'd say that's going to step up law enforcement's interest in your trespass considerably, just as with a trespass that becomes a burglary.
 
2012-06-29 01:21:43 AM  

dlp211: studebaker hoch: What happens when these SWAT boneheads hit a "wrong address" house with armed PTSD veterans inside?

veteran dies


Moral of the story: SWAT proof your house.

If you aren't a criminal, it will slow them down and give time for discourse.

If you are a criminal, it will make for one hell of a news story.
 
2012-06-29 01:21:47 AM  

the ha ha guy: NightSteel: All you folks making analogies to unlocked houses, open garages and unattended cars should keep something in mind; each of those requires someone to physically enter and/or steal your property to perpetrate a crime.

A dropped wallet requires none of the above, but that doesn't mean you have an inherent right to store your wallet on a park bench, nor does it mean that you shouldn't expect the police to investigate you when some criminal "drops" your wallet and ID after a robbery.

I'm not saying that a paramilitary swat team is a fair response to something like "Drew is a big fat doody head", but the police did have a reasonable suspicion that the house in TFA is where the "crime" was committed.


No, they had a reasonable suspicion that some computer connected to the internet at a particular address committed a 'crime'. The assumption of police forces should be that an open wifi network is being used and do the 15 minutes of detective work it takes to discover where the computer is connecting from. I can literally do this with the equipment I have on hand in my house right now, and nothing I have is special or expensive.

The FBI SWAT does not do no knock warrants, local police forces do. Hell, the US Military doesn't do no knock raids on compounds anymore except in very particular situations.
 
2012-06-29 01:25:24 AM  
ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2012-06-29 01:26:27 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Dokushin - bachelorhood, single, unmarried, celibate
You geniuses got any plans for how to handle violent conflict in the world you breathlessly envision without police? Those guys get shot at as part of their jobs. You ever been shot at? You don't think that might make you a little cautious?
Wear a uniform and knock on a druglord's door sometime.

1-They were not forced to become a cop. They chose a more exciting job with relative job security, better pay for the cost of entrance, and good social benefits.
2-Cop is next to sanitation engineer and taxi driver in terms of how dangerous it is.
3-I would be that if it was a known *druglord's door they would either not knock or come in with full paramilitary protection.

*By druglord do you mean a neighborhood dealer, a local thug higher up in the chain, or someone living in a mansion with security?


I'll add to this. As I posted earlier, I had the fortunate opportunity to work with FBI SWAT ( I have also worked with FBI HRT), and they generally as a rule don't do no knock warrants, even for drug lords. As I also pointed out, the US military has moved away from no knock raids and now uses a call out. It actually gives you better control of the situation and significantly lowers risk. But don't let the 3 trillion dollar lessons of two wars and the tactics of the FBI get in the way of your world view.
 
2012-06-29 01:27:05 AM  

OniNeko: Buffet: Luckily, for them, those cowards didn't try that at my house!

There really are some people that keep themselves cloistered with weapons to hand.

You probably won't find them on Fark, though.


Yeah, GaryPDX hasn't been around for a while.
 
2012-06-29 01:28:55 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Dokushin - bachelorhood, single, unmarried, celibate
You geniuses got any plans for how to handle violent conflict in the world you breathlessly envision without police? Those guys get shot at as part of their jobs. You ever been shot at? You don't think that might make you a little cautious?
Wear a uniform and knock on a druglord's door sometime.

1-They were not forced to become a cop. They chose a more exciting job with relative job security, better pay for the cost of entrance, and good social benefits.
2-Cop is next to sanitation engineer and taxi driver in terms of how dangerous it is.
3-I would be that if it was a known *druglord's door they would either not knock or come in with full paramilitary protection.

*By druglord do you mean a neighborhood dealer, a local thug higher up in the chain, or someone living in a mansion with security?


I notice you haven't pointed out whether you've been shot at or not. Or whether anyone in your workplace has been shot at in the line of duty, for that matter.

What do you consider an acceptable level of threat before breaking a window (and paying for it) is not an unreasonable precaution?
 
2012-06-29 01:33:04 AM  
ts3.mm.bing.net

"That's some fine police work there, Lou!"

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

"Gotta love what you do, Chief!"
 
2012-06-29 01:33:13 AM  

Dokushin: You geniuses got any plans for how to handle violent conflict in the world you breathlessly envision without police?


How about specific, well-defined and strictly followed criteria regarding the justified use of paramilitary raids and tactics? As opposed to the current criteria, which seems to be "We were skeered!"

Seriously, they were watching this place and saw only the girl (they must not have been watching too hard, if they couldn't figure out Grandma was there despite there being an open door) yet they still busted in with flashbangs because a guy who had a Facebook photo with a gun *might* have been there. Then after they realized what fools they'd made of themselves, they slinked off down the street and knocked on the door of the real suspects.

All they had to do was what TFA described the FBI doing; drive by with a laptop and check for open wifi. But no, gotta justify militarization somehow, and those houses aren't gonna raid themselves. Idiots.
 
2012-06-29 01:35:48 AM  

Dokushin: You geniuses got any plans for how to handle violent conflict in the world you breathlessly envision without police? Those guys get shot at as part of their jobs. You ever been shot at? You don't think that might make you a little cautious?

Wear a uniform and knock on a druglord's door sometime.


This argument would make perfect sense if they busted in a druglord's house, instead of going after some kid who made a threatening Internet post.

No doubt cops have dangerous jobs and should take precautions---but the fact that cops get shot at doesn't make a valid excuse for something this absurd.

And while we're on the topic, when did cops ditch those nice blue uniforms and decide to dress up like a sci-fi army all the time? Twitter, smart phones and auto-tune make me feel old, but if there's one aspect of the future that thoroughly confuses me, it's the way cops now dress, equip and act like they're about to fight an invasion of giant alien bugs. At the end of the year, when various media outlets put up slideshows of the most important photos of 2011, the big central theme seemed to be riot gear.
 
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