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(The Daily Beast)   David Frum on today's SCOTUS ruling: "this a Waterloo, brought about by a dangerous combination of ideological frenzy, poor risk calculation, and a self-annihilating indifference to the real work of government"   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 178
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2012-06-28 03:20:18 PM
it really is pretty tough to spin this as anything but a massive defeat for the GOP.
 
2012-06-28 03:25:32 PM
I honestly don't see why this decision should be characterized as a defeat; it's a win for ALL Americans.
 
2012-06-28 03:37:45 PM

Lorelle: I honestly don't see why this decision should be characterized as a defeat; it's a win for ALL Americans.


Which is exactly why it is a defeat for the GOP. The last thing they want is something that benefits ALL Americans.
 
2012-06-28 03:45:37 PM
Watching today's GOP is like watching the T1000 in its death throes at the foundry.
 
2012-06-28 03:48:51 PM
Ironically, it's a very conservative opinion. It limits the Commerce Clause, maintains 70 years of New Deal precedent, hamstrings Federal power in using their disbursements to states, and upholds a law that 6 years ago would be hailed as a Republican triumph.

The problem is that his political movement went completely insane around him.
 
2012-06-28 03:50:28 PM

palladiate: Ironically, it's a very conservative opinion. It limits the Commerce Clause, maintains 70 years of New Deal precedent, hamstrings Federal power in using their disbursements to states, and upholds a law that 6 years ago would be hailed as a Republican triumph.


That's not ironic; that just shows how f*cked up the political system really is today.
 
2012-06-28 03:54:30 PM

Dinki: The last thing they want is something that benefits ALL Americans.


Unfortunately, this is true.
 
2012-06-28 03:56:31 PM
www.tnr.com

 
2012-06-28 03:56:37 PM

FlashHarry: it really is pretty tough to spin this as anything but a massive defeat for the GOP.


Yup they went all in on a handful of nuthin' and got smoked by Obama's pair of sevens. Freaking stupid waste of everybody's time.
 
2012-06-28 03:57:27 PM
This decision is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.
 
2012-06-28 03:58:39 PM
Worse, any replacement of the law's popular elements will require financing. But where is that money to come from? New taxes are unacceptable.

that's what's really gonna fark Romney.

As long as Romney and the GOP says no taxes for those provisions, Obama will be able to say they want to end those provisions. Romney will be stuck denying the popular parts of the bill, or pissing off the Grover norquist fanclub.
 
2012-06-28 03:59:22 PM
I think the ruling is more of a Dancing Queen.
 
2012-06-28 04:04:02 PM

JerseyTim: I think the ruling is more of a Dancing Queen.


John Roberts to America: "Take a chance on me."
 
2012-06-28 04:04:56 PM

JerseyTim: I think the ruling is more of a Dancing Queen.


I always liked "Lay all your love on me". I like the synth parts and the chorus.
 
2012-06-28 04:06:16 PM
David Frum is a sane conservative.

In other words, a traitor commie RINO.
 
2012-06-28 04:07:15 PM
Remember Dredd Scott, an early decision the USSC botched. It will be interesting to see how Roberts reconsiders this next year when the dems have been gutted.
 
2012-06-28 04:10:16 PM

palladiate: Ironically, it's a very conservative opinion. It limits the Commerce Clause, maintains 70 years of New Deal precedent, hamstrings Federal power in using their disbursements to states, and upholds a law that 6 years ago would be hailed as a Republican triumph.


Except for the black Democrat being the one who signed it. The GOP has been on full-court press shiat themselves to defame and possibly oust Obama mode since he got elected, trampling over each other to say the most ridiculous and outrageous thing they can, whether it totally contradicts their stated beliefs or not.

These are the people that a sizable portion of America wants back in power, making all the decisions.

And they are wrong on EVERYTHING.

I cite Steven Weber, who played Brian Hackett on the sitcom "Wings" several years ago:

Has Reaganomics ever really 'trickled' downwards?

Has cutting taxes for the wealthiest Americans ever resulted in those same Americans generously reinvesting their profits back into the economy? (Please state examples.)

Has a reduction in regulations ever encouraged industries to police themselves in regards to their environmental impact? (Please cite specifics.)

Has disbanding unions ever increased and/or made more secure workers' wages and benefits? (Facts, please, mister.)

Has the institutionalization of Judeo-Christian values ever made our nation more secure, its citizens more responsible, its culture more caring?

Has dismantling health services geared toward helping the poor, the elderly and women resulted in less poverty, less sickness, lower health costs or fewer unwanted pregnancies?

Has a large reduction in taxes ever resulted in less class disparity and better roads, more emergency responders, cleaner national parks and improved the infrastructure?


It is seriously disturbing that so many people still stick to these tired, failed Republican policies.
 
2012-06-28 04:10:23 PM

EnviroDude: Remember Dredd Scott, an early decision the USSC botched. It will be interesting to see how Roberts reconsiders this next year when the dems have been gutted.


The fact that anyone is considering this to be in the realm of the abomination that was Dredd Scott is offensive as hell.
 
2012-06-28 04:10:46 PM

FlashHarry: it really is pretty tough to spin this as anything but a massive defeat for the GOP.


Actually, I've been thinking about this, and I don't think so. Roberts backed it, but he also gave Romney his ad to bomb the swing states with, back with Sheldon's promise to donate $100M: he's going to scream that Obama raised your taxes over and over and over. It might work too.
 
2012-06-28 04:13:05 PM

Dinki: Lorelle: I honestly don't see why this decision should be characterized as a defeat; it's a win for ALL Americans.

Which is exactly why it is a defeat for the GOP. The last thing they want is something that benefits ALL Americans.


I see it. I comprehend it. I just don't know why Team GOP's fans can't see how this is a good thing for them, personally.

Actually, I do. Team GOP is about winning. Being a part of the winning team, in America, is the only thing better than sex or drugs or rock and roll or country and western or anything else. Win baby win! That's our motto. They ar on a mission from god to make this the mission statement.

But declaring victory isn't the same as taking the field and earning it. The fans didn't win, the Team won. And the Team's goal isn't a victory for its fans. It is a victory for itself, regardless of the cost. Regardless of what they won.
 
2012-06-28 04:14:23 PM

Aarontology: EnviroDude: Remember Dredd Scott, an early decision the USSC botched. It will be interesting to see how Roberts reconsiders this next year when the dems have been gutted.

The fact that anyone is considering this to be in the realm of the abomination that was Dredd Scott is offensive as hell.


Wait wait wait. He actually thinks Dredd Scott was a bad ruling. This is good news! How is he on Plessy v Furgeson?
 
2012-06-28 04:14:42 PM

Aarontology: EnviroDud: Remember Dredd Scott, an early decision the USSC botched. It will be interesting to see how Roberts reconsiders this next year when the dems have been gutted.

The fact that anyone is considering this to be in the realm of the abomination that was Dredd Scott is offensive as hell.


No no no no... we can make it more offensive, to wit: John Roberts is the Uncle Tom of the GOP, gladly taking the lashes from Massa Obama's whip...
 
2012-06-28 04:14:57 PM

EnviroDude: Remember Dredd Scott, an early decision the USSC botched.


Yes, because taxing people according to an enumerated power is exactly like taking a free man and putting him back into slavery. Tax slavery. If only we could put that sentiment on a poster board...
 
2012-06-28 04:19:56 PM

Nadie_AZ: Wait wait wait. He actually thinks Dredd Scott was a bad ruling. This is good news! How is he on Plessy v Furgeson?


It's progress, I suppose.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: No no no no... we can make it more offensive, to wit: John Roberts is the Uncle Tom of the GOP, gladly taking the lashes from Massa Obama's whip...


I wouldn't be at all surprised if that hadn't come up over in Freeperland.
 
2012-06-28 04:26:33 PM

palladiate: EnviroDude: Remember Dredd Scott, an early decision the USSC botched.

Yes, because taxing people according to an enumerated power is exactly like taking a free man and putting him back into slavery. Tax slavery. If only we could put that sentiment on a poster board...


Taxation IS legal slavery. It is also legal rape, theft, arson, and jaywalking.
 
2012-06-28 04:27:06 PM

Nadie_AZ: I just don't know why Team GOP's fans can't see how this is a good thing for them, personally.


Because Fox says so.

Also, haven't you been watching the middle and lower class Republicans vote against their own best interests for years now? Why would this be a surprise?
 
2012-06-28 04:31:05 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: It is seriously disturbing that so many people still stick to these tired, failed Republican policies.


I wouldn't say "failed." They seem to work so well for them they keep pushing for more. And in a sense, it is working very well for the folks the Republican Party now represents.

If you mean failed as in "is tearing apart the social contract and driving our country towards a less-prosperous future," then yea, they're pretty failtastic policies.
 
2012-06-28 04:33:01 PM

vernonFL: David Frum is a sane conservative.

In other words, a traitor commie RINO.


To be fair, he is Canadian. Not to say that Canadian conservatives are sane, but they're certainly somewhat different from their American counterparts... In Australia, he'd be called a Liberal...

/I was unaware that Frum is Canadian...
 
2012-06-28 04:33:04 PM

Aarontology: I wouldn't be at all surprised if that hadn't come up over in Freeperland.


I dare not venture into the Dark Lands to find out.
 
2012-06-28 04:38:56 PM

Lorelle: I honestly don't see why this decision should be characterized as a defeat; it's a win for ALL Americans.


The dumber health 'insurance' CEOs might have to delay buying the helicopter for their second yacht.
 
2012-06-28 04:39:19 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Aarontology: I wouldn't be at all surprised if that hadn't come up over in Freeperland.

I dare not venture into the Dark Lands to find out.


I rely on brave couriers who brave the tempests.
 
2012-06-28 04:41:49 PM

Jackson Herring:

Taxation IS legal slavery. It is also legal rape, theft, arson, and jaywalking.


and creatin' a nuisance.
 
2012-06-28 04:48:11 PM
*slides away from SlidingCarp on the bench*
 
2012-06-28 04:49:07 PM

EnviroDude: Remember Dredd Scott, an early decision the USSC botched. It will be interesting to see how Roberts reconsiders this next year when the dems have been gutted.


Actually, Dred Scott is right in line with modern right wing idiocy:

Birtherism: A free negro of the African race, whose ancestors were brought to this country and sold as slaves, is not a "citizen" within the meaning of the Constitution of the United States..

Textualism: When the Constitution was adopted, they were not regarded in any of the States as members of the community which constituted the State, and were not numbered among its "people or citizens." Consequently, the special rights and immunities guarantied to citizens do not apply to them.

Anti-immigration: Since the adoption of the Constitution of the United States, no State can by any subsequent law make a foreigner or any other description of persons citizens of the United States, nor entitle them to the rights and privileges secured to citizens by that instrument.

Original intent: The change in public opinion and feeling in relation to the African race which has taken place since the adoption of the Constitution cannot change its construction and meaning, and it must be construed and administered now according to its true meaning and intention when it was formed and adopted.

Scott v Sandford, 60 US 393 (1857)
 
2012-06-28 05:01:49 PM

JerseyTim: I think the ruling is more of a Dancing Queen.


The GOP is sending out an SOS.
 
2012-06-28 05:05:04 PM
done in 3
 
2012-06-28 05:06:42 PM
David Frum on today's SCOTUS ruling Republican Teethknashing: "this a Waterloo, brought about by a dangerous combination of ideological frenzy, poor risk calculation, and a self-annihilating indifference to the real work of government"

FTFM
 
2012-06-28 05:07:15 PM
Does this mean Boehner and McConnell have to be exiled to St. Helena?
 
2012-06-28 05:07:37 PM
Frum is a lot like Justice Roberts, he's right when he's right.
 
2012-06-28 05:08:08 PM

FirstNationalBastard: JerseyTim: I think the ruling is more of a Dancing Queen.

The GOP is sending out an SOS.


images.politico.com
The winner takes it all
 
2012-06-28 05:08:14 PM
Frum? Psshhhh

Let me know what Glenn Beck has to say about it.... and Rush.
 
2012-06-28 05:10:17 PM

FlashHarry: it really is pretty tough to spin this as anything but a massive defeat for the GOP.


And yet...Limbaugh spent a lot of time today trying to say that this was a GOP win.
 
2012-06-28 05:12:26 PM
If the validation of Obamacare* isn't sufficient to ensure Obama's reelection in November, the explosive diarrhea coming from the right in response -- the threats of violence, to expatriate, screeching about Roberts being a traitor and calling for his impeachment, the sheer hyperbolic end times rhetoric -- surely will.

Not that it's anything new to us, of course. We've been watching it for 3 1/2 years. The difference is now it is happening during the election season, and nonpolitical sane independents are finally paying attention. This ugliness is going to turn them away from the GOP in droves.
 
2012-06-28 05:12:38 PM

GAT_00: Actually, I've been thinking about this, and I don't think so. Roberts backed it, but he also gave Romney his ad to bomb the swing states with, back with Sheldon's promise to donate $100M: he's going to scream that Obama raised your taxes over and over and over. It might work too.


But doesn't that mean that Romney raised taxes while governor of Mass?
 
2012-06-28 05:12:42 PM
My manager has been going on about how the communists and their communist leader has finally managed to ruin the country.

His tears are delicious.
 
2012-06-28 05:12:44 PM

EnviroDude: Remember Dredd Scott, an early decision the USSC botched. It will be interesting to see how Roberts reconsiders this next year when the dems have been gutted.


huh? what are you talking about? this case is done and over.
 
2012-06-28 05:12:55 PM

ArgusRun: FirstNationalBastard: JerseyTim: I think the ruling is more of a Dancing Queen.

The GOP is sending out an SOS.

[images.politico.com image 605x328]
The winner takes it all


In that pic, the President sounds like he can hear the drums, Fernando.
 
2012-06-28 05:13:29 PM
* Never liked the term "Obamacare", but now that it is unquestioned law I am going to call it that at every turn.

OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE
 
2012-06-28 05:15:22 PM
conservative butthurt everywhere
 
2012-06-28 05:16:16 PM
Frum
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