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(Yahoo)   Not surprisingly Fox News engaged in a little "wishful reporting" and initially announced that the Healthcare law had been struck down before reading the whole opinion. Only slightly more surprisingly, CNN did the exact same thing   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 129
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2012-06-28 03:39:12 PM  
Never believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.
 
jvl
2012-06-28 03:40:31 PM  
Not wishful thinking. This was the prevailing wisdom regarding what the Supreme's would do. It's not surprising that CNN/Fox/Whatever prepared an "it's overturned" article ahead of time. What is surprising is that they published it before being sure.
 
2012-06-28 03:40:48 PM  
Both had a canned response lined up for what they thought the most likely outcome was. Both were wrong.
 
2012-06-28 03:40:57 PM  
Pretty much everybody was doing this. NPR was repeating that the mandate was struck down and had to apologize for it later. At least they manage to actually apologize when they do it.
 
2012-06-28 03:41:05 PM  
So did Diane Rehm on NPR.
 
2012-06-28 03:41:13 PM  
Network news inaccurate? No farking way!
 
2012-06-28 03:41:17 PM  
They are both for people who regard USA Today as heavy reading.
 
2012-06-28 03:41:41 PM  
Still waiting for Obama to for my gas and mortgage dammit
 
2012-06-28 03:41:47 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

//kudos to whoever posted this earlier
 
2012-06-28 03:42:19 PM  

AliasSally: So did Diane Rehm on NPR.


Yeah, but she's old and smells like fruitcake, so she gets a pass.
 
2012-06-28 03:42:27 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Both had a canned response lined up for what they thought the most likely outcome was. Both were wrong.


DAMN LIBRUL MEDIAR
 
2012-06-28 03:42:31 PM  
I'm shocked that the media would do such an irresponsible and biased thing, but this is just one isolated incident and I'm sure it will have no lasting political repercussions.


image.guardian.co.uk
 
2012-06-28 03:42:41 PM  
Never eat at a place called Moms' or play poker with a guy named 'Winner of the World Championship of Poker 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006.'
 
2012-06-28 03:43:26 PM  
Last week Fox News reported Roger Clemmens was guilty and going to Prison for about 5 minutes. Both sides are always ready to go so they can be first.
 
2012-06-28 03:44:11 PM  
"Fox News was so eager to see the healthcare mandate fail they forgot to read past the 1st page of the ruling,"

Is ANYONE surprised by this?
 
2012-06-28 03:44:14 PM  

taxandspend: Not so much "wishful thinking" as it was jumping the gun on both parts. The first page of the summary said the mandate wasn't covered by the commerce clause, but then it said that the mandate is not a fee, but a tax, and therefore constitutional.
Just another thing that's wrong with journalism in this country. The news agencies are so worried about being the first that being correct takes a back seat.


Exactly. Further, does anyone actually remember and/or care who was first with any recent big story? Get the facts, get it right, and put it out there, even if it's 2 minutes later than the other guys.
 
2012-06-28 03:44:47 PM  
Do yourselves a favour and don't watch or read anything on CNN/FOX News

Get your news from other means
 
2012-06-28 03:45:07 PM  
What do you expect from infotainment?

They barely employe any reporters anymore anyways, they got a bunch of interns trolling youtube for cat videos and blogs for stories.

John Stewart is going to eviscerate them tonight, again.
 
2012-06-28 03:45:39 PM  
I kept flipping between the various stations and noticing that MSNBC hadn't said the law was struck down. Turns out they were actually reading it.

So I've left my TV on MSNBC since... They've earned it.

Now I'm watching S.E. Cupps and Krystal Ball debate the bill and I'm thinking, you know what, I'd really like to be taking a shower with the two of them right now.
 
2012-06-28 03:46:56 PM  

RibbyK: Never believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.


But I can't help bein' confused!

i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 03:47:08 PM  
a57.foxnews.com

Obama raises taxes on hard-working Americans. Look at how happy he is to tax you.
 
2012-06-28 03:47:09 PM  

bongmiester: [24.media.tumblr.com image 640x513]

//kudos to whoever posted this earlier


That's awesome, even if it isn't yours.
 
2012-06-28 03:47:11 PM  
Am shocked - SHOCKED - to hear that Fox News and CNN do not adhere to the highest standards of journalism.
 
2012-06-28 03:47:29 PM  

rkallister: "Fox News was so eager to see the healthcare mandate fail they forgot to read past the 1st page of the ruling,"

Is ANYONE surprised by this?


At this stage I would have been surprised of they HADNT done this.
 
2012-06-28 03:47:48 PM  
Starting message.....13.1.14. speed...more to follow...end of message....
 
2012-06-28 03:47:58 PM  
Funny but not that big a deal.

Hannity should be hilarious tonight.
 
2012-06-28 03:48:13 PM  
I'll give Fox a pass on this. They saw what they wanted to see--happens to everyone. No big deal.

CNN, however, just shiat the bed. Like always.
 
2012-06-28 03:48:16 PM  
I have to admit - Fox News makes the law sound abominable.

ObamaCare stands: An overview of the law's provisions

Published June 28, 2012

FoxNews.com

The federal health care overhaul stands, after the Supreme Court ruled Thursday that the so-called individual mandate is constitutional.

Here's a sampling of some of the most significant provisions that will remain as a result of that decision.

Individual mandate: Requirement that most Americans obtain health insurance or pay a fine, starting in 2014.

Young adult coverage: Already in effect, dependent children can stay on parents' plan up to age 26.

Tanning tax: Already in effect, a 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services.

First phase of consumer protections: Already in effect, a prohibition on lifetime limits for insurance coverage. No denying coverage to children based on pre-existing conditions. Restrictions on annual coverage limits.

Medicare plan tax: An increase in the Medicare Part A tax rate by .9 percent, for those making over $200,000 ($250,000 for households), set to go into effect in 2013.

Health insurance exchanges: The creation of state exchanges across the country where consumers can shop around for insurance plans, set to take effect in 2014.

Second phase of consumer protections: Guaranteed coverage regardless of health, and a prohibition on annual coverage limits.


Employer coverage mandate: Requirement that businesses with more than 50 workers offer coverage or pay a fine, set to take effect in 2014.

Tax credits: Tax credits and subsidies available to individuals making up to 400 percent of federal poverty line, for insurance coverage - set to take effect in 2014.

Medicaid expansion: Massive expansion of Medicaid set to go into effect in 2014. Roughly 16 million Americans were expected to be covered under this expansion. The court, however, reined in this provision by prohibiting the federal government from penalizing states that don't comply by withholding existing Medicaid funds -- it's unclear how this affects the expansion.
 
2012-06-28 03:48:21 PM  

taxandspend: Not so much "wishful thinking" as it was jumping the gun on both parts. The first page of the summary said the mandate wasn't covered by the commerce clause, but then it said that the mandate is not a fee, but a tax, and therefore constitutional.
Just another thing that's wrong with journalism in this country. The news agencies are so worried about being the first that being correct takes a back seat.


Bingo. They read a few words and were so sure of their pre-game analyses that they thought they knew the punchline without reading the whole thing. Its the essentialy problem of the 24 hour news world. Reporters have gotten so wrapped up in the "horse race" story, and discussing everything with the punditry that they don't take time to actually learn, digest and report anymore. I'm feeling pretty darn smart this week because , it turns out that I correctly

predicted both of these rulings , not only which way they'd rule, but WHY, shortly after listening to oral arguments for both. (Damn it all why didn't I throw some cash down where my mouth was?)

But honestly if a scrub,no-account lawyer like me can predict these rulings so easily, how come so many so-called "expert" analysts got it so badly wrong?
 
2012-06-28 03:48:25 PM  
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Prima donnas...
 
2012-06-28 03:48:46 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Now I'm watching S.E. Cupps and Krystal Ball debate the bill


They actually have a commentator named Krystal Ball? That's a stripper / pornstar name if I've ever heard one.

/Two girl, one Cupps?
 
2012-06-28 03:50:06 PM  
For my Canadian counterparts...

Reporting news is like serving coffee at a Tim Horton's drive-thru. Fast is good, but accuracy is everything.

AND

After how many years on this site I finally get to say... I submitted this with a better headline.
 
2012-06-28 03:50:18 PM  
We are getting a new tax, thats the new talking point?
got it.
cant wait for the political ads.
because I still dont know how obama thinks the private sector is doing.
 
2012-06-28 03:50:50 PM  
Speaking of Fox News...

Fox's Bill O'Reilly said he'd "apologize for being an idiot" if the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act. How about tonight, Bill?

Link
 
2012-06-28 03:51:28 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Obama raises taxes on hard-working Americans. Look at how happy he is to tax you.


And in doing so saves far more according to the CBO.
 
2012-06-28 03:51:58 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: I kept flipping between the various stations and noticing that MSNBC hadn't said the law was struck down. Turns out they were actually reading it.

So I've left my TV on MSNBC since... They've earned it.

Now I'm watching S.E. Cupps and Krystal Ball debate the bill and I'm thinking, you know what, I'd really like to be taking a shower with the two of them right now.


The problem is that I watched the Fox broadcast and they were doing the same thing. Reading it on air while at the same time saying to hold on as they work through it. The article even admits that. Fox didn't claim the law was struck down and I doubt CNN did either but I wasn't watching them at the time.
 
2012-06-28 03:52:00 PM  
It's surprising that ANYONE got it right. I was listening to an interview with the guy who runs scotusblog.com and he was describing the process and how there was going to be a mad scramble to get the news out *within seconds of receiving the print of the decision.*

I think were I writing the decision I'd have to make a long rambling three page diatribe indicating vaguely that the court had decided one way followed by:

"PSYCH!!!! Here's what we really decided..."
 
2012-06-28 03:52:19 PM  
I was watching live blog. Fox and CNN *assumed* the result before it was even known. shiat journalism. shiat cable.
 
2012-06-28 03:52:43 PM  

Arkanaut: Waxing_Chewbacca: Now I'm watching S.E. Cupps and Krystal Ball debate the bill

They actually have a commentator named Krystal Ball? That's a stripper / pornstar name if I've ever heard one.

/Two girl, one Cupps?


Does the S.E. stand for "Seriously Excellent"?
 
2012-06-28 03:52:46 PM  

Arkanaut: Waxing_Chewbacca: Now I'm watching S.E. Cupps and Krystal Ball debate the bill

They actually have a commentator named Krystal Ball? That's a stripper / pornstar name if I've ever heard one.

/Two girl, one Cupps?


forums.pelicanparts.com
 
2012-06-28 03:53:12 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Speaking of Fox News...

Fox's Bill O'Reilly said he'd "apologize for being an idiot" if the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act. How about tonight, Bill?

Link


And it's over the "tax" assertion too. Too perfect.
 
2012-06-28 03:53:47 PM  
So all of these "conservatives" are tweeting about how this is the beginning of Socialism in America, and they are going to flee America because "the government is going to pay for health care" to go to Canada where the government pays for health care...? I CAN'T EVEN WRITE A PUNCHLINE FOR THAT!
 
2012-06-28 03:54:02 PM  

jvl: Not wishful thinking. This was the prevailing wisdom regarding what the Supreme's would do. It's not surprising that CNN/Fox/Whatever prepared an "it's overturned" article ahead of time. What is surprising is that they published it before being sure.


No it wasn't. The vast majority of constitutional scholars had it as constitutional. Oh wait, your GED in "I've-never-read-anything-toughter-than-dr-seuss" qualifies you to make your statements as facts.

The mentally handicapped shills are coming out of the woodwork. Must be election season.
 
2012-06-28 03:54:08 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Arkanaut: Waxing_Chewbacca: Now I'm watching S.E. Cupps and Krystal Ball debate the bill

They actually have a commentator named Krystal Ball? That's a stripper / pornstar name if I've ever heard one.

/Two girl, one Cupps?


Yup... That's her!
 
2012-06-28 03:55:38 PM  
Waxing_Chewbacca: "And in doing so saves far more according to the CBO."

Quiet you; with your facts and critical thought and objective reality.

This country is for real 'merkins.
The kind who know to cheer the deficit-exploding Bush tax cuts and boo the deficit-shrinking Obamacare because *we all know* taxes are always and uniformly *bad* and tax cuts are therefore always and uniformly *good*.
 
2012-06-28 03:55:57 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Waxing_Chewbacca: I kept flipping between the various stations and noticing that MSNBC hadn't said the law was struck down. Turns out they were actually reading it.

So I've left my TV on MSNBC since... They've earned it.

Now I'm watching S.E. Cupps and Krystal Ball debate the bill and I'm thinking, you know what, I'd really like to be taking a shower with the two of them right now.

The problem is that I watched the Fox broadcast and they were doing the same thing. Reading it on air while at the same time saying to hold on as they work through it. The article even admits that. Fox didn't claim the law was struck down and I doubt CNN did either but I wasn't watching them at the time.


Not sure about Fox, I only watched that for a second so they may have been equivocating. CNN absolutely farked it up. I even got a text alert from CNN saying the mandate went down.
 
2012-06-28 03:56:19 PM  
If I understand the report of the error, Fox News and CNN erred by deriving conclusions based upon incomplete data, when instead they both should have waited for a more complete data set that both entities knew would be forthcoming.

While only a single data point, and not conclusive, this incident could serve as part of a larger body of evidence that attempting to present "up-to-the-minute" coverage can result in incomplete and inaccurate representations of historically significant occurrences.
 
2012-06-28 03:56:29 PM  
This CNN page still says

"In a landmark decision that will impact the nation for decades, the Supreme Court on Thursday upheld a key provision of President Barack Obama's health care law, ruling that requiring people to have health insurance violates the Constitution."

(Look at the 10:06am update.)

I'm not sure I had heard about the "this act is unconstitutional" provision before. :-)
 
2012-06-28 03:57:39 PM  
Oh yeah! Well the Cretinous News Network did the same thing.
 
2012-06-28 03:57:41 PM  
Call me uninformed, but what does this do besides *require* people to buy private health care versus providing health care as a human right?
 
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