TheJoe03: The radio really made a good song into an annoying piece of shiat. It'll be years before I can actually listen to that song again.

No, you probably won't live long enough. Once songs become vinegar, they tend to stay that way for you forever. And radio will never stop playing it. But it's foolish to blame radio. You should know by now that radio is crap. Blame yourself for listening to it.

Darth_Lukecash: salvador.hardin: Darth_Lukecash: salvador.hardin: mhd: And can we please be done with the prequels butthurt?

Just as soon as the originals are released. Until then the biatching will never stop. Ever.

The originals have been released. Not on blue ray. But they were released on DVD.

Barely, and at great expense.

And no one is comparing this to the holocaust. You can use hyperbole or you can call for perspective. You can't do both.

The fact is, the biatching will continue until they are released. Plinkett gave fandom a nice collective colon cleansing of the prequels. Everyone I know, even the geekiest and most obnoxious fanboys, have written off the prequels like they didn't happen. The only real fervor left is over the fact that he keeps changing Kershner's Empire and Marquand's Jedi without releasing their original work in new formats.

The prequels happened, they were great Star Wars movies. Clone Wars kicks ass.

A lot of young children I know see the whole series as one story.

But don't think for a moment that statements that fans have disowned the movies, and that there were colon cleaning because of a scmuck on you tube

I have no problem not thinking that. Mostly because I have no idea what that paricular sequence of words means.

Hebalo: salvador.hardin: mhd: And can we please be done with the prequels butthurt?

Just as soon as the originals are released. Until then the biatching will never stop. Ever.

They weren't even that good, people. The best of them was a 7/10 at BEST.

Plinkett put it best: "J.J. Abrams should have directed the Star Wars prequels, and George Lucas should have directed people to their seats."

Fake Annikin: What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know?

George divorced Marcia. She was the editing genius who transformed his crap ideas into something engaging and interesting.

salvador.hardin: Darth_Lukecash: salvador.hardin: Darth_Lukecash: salvador.hardin: mhd: And can we please be done with the prequels butthurt?

Just as soon as the originals are released. Until then the biatching will never stop. Ever.

The originals have been released. Not on blue ray. But they were released on DVD.

Barely, and at great expense.

And no one is comparing this to the holocaust. You can use hyperbole or you can call for perspective. You can't do both.

The fact is, the biatching will continue until they are released. Plinkett gave fandom a nice collective colon cleansing of the prequels. Everyone I know, even the geekiest and most obnoxious fanboys, have written off the prequels like they didn't happen. The only real fervor left is over the fact that he keeps changing Kershner's Empire and Marquand's Jedi without releasing their original work in new formats.

The prequels happened, they were great Star Wars movies. Clone Wars kicks ass.

A lot of young children I know see the whole series as one story.

But don't think for a moment that statements that fans have disowned the movies, and that there were colon cleaning because of a scmuck on you tube

I have no problem not thinking that. Mostly because I have no idea what that paricular sequence of words means.

Thank you. I thought it was just me.

Never understood the "Han Shot First" mantra, considering the salient thing about the original scene is that he never gave the green bastard an opportunity to shoot at all.

Yub Yub

It's overplayed, but its a well-crafted, well performed song. It completely lacks autotuning, dubstep and lyrics about "going to the club".

That's unusual enough it to get cut some slack these days.

Iggie: Here's another parody video: "Kicked Your Monkey" by Bad Lip Reading

Whoa thats pretty frickin awesome.

Lou Cypher: Never understood the "Han Shot First" mantra, considering the salient thing about the original scene is that he never gave the green bastard an opportunity to shoot at all.

"Shot first" means that he shot before any one else. That doesn't mean any one had to shoot after him. For instance, consider the following sentence: America was the first country to put men on the moon. Would you say that America was not the first country to put men on the moon because no one has done it since?

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: No, you probably won't live long enough. Once songs become vinegar, they tend to stay that way for you forever. And radio will never stop playing it. But it's foolish to blame radio. You should know by now that radio is crap. Blame yourself for listening to it.

I've already lived long enough for songs from the 90s and 00s to be cool to listen to again. I barely listen to radio anyway, which makes it even worse that this song got so played out.

And it seems to irk MaaxLarge a lot
That the song is written other than in his favoured meter
It's true- I used to like Gotye
But now he's just some drummer that made global dough

Oh man! It would be totes awesome if they made a parody with 'Call me maybe' next. I know, I know, it's a totally underplayed and obscure song but I can see big things for it. But this was so omg anyway. Gotye is so underground I bet no one even knows the original!!!

Darth_Lukecash: mhd: And can we please be done with the prequels butthurt?

No.

Apparently this is the prequels are the biggest travesty perpetrated on humanity.

Bigger than the Holocaust.

/perspective people.

Count the number of how many people saw the first three Star Wars films at some point.

Count the number of people who died in the Holocaust.

I assure you the first number is far greater.

/perspective indeed.

I can understand the prequel butthurt, but since I don't listen to pop radio, I don't understand all the hatred over this parody. I've never heard whatever song this is based off of (and frankly, I don't wish to).

It was a little long, though.

Ashtrey: I don't listen to the radio much, just in the car and I listen to more news than anything else. Let's face it, most of the music on the radio is shiat. So I'm not tired of this song yet. I'll have to check out the album before this thing gets so overplayed even for me that I can't bear to hear it again.

I don't listen to the radio either but I know there are a million covers/parodies of this song on the internet. Which might explain the worness of it to some people including me. On that note, I wonder what the most covered/mixed/parodied is. This music video at least needs to be a contender.

I don't listen to radio.

Still like the song, but can see how you would get sick of it.

This parody cracked me up.

Who?

EchoMike: [dailypicksandflicks.com image 600x390]

Ok cracked me up . thanks

Darth_Lukecash: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: salvador.hardin: Darth_Lukecash: salvador.hardin: Darth_Lukecash: salvador.hardin: mhd: And can we please be done with the prequels butthurt?

Just as soon as the originals are released. Until then the biatching will never stop. Ever.

The originals have been released. Not on blue ray. But they were released on DVD.

Barely, and at great expense.

And no one is comparing this to the holocaust. You can use hyperbole or you can call for perspective. You can't do both.

The fact is, the biatching will continue until they are released. Plinkett gave fandom a nice collective colon cleansing of the prequels. Everyone I know, even the geekiest and most obnoxious fanboys, have written off the prequels like they didn't happen. The only real fervor left is over the fact that he keeps changing Kershner's Empire and Marquand's Jedi without releasing their original work in new formats.

The prequels happened, they were great Star Wars movies. Clone Wars kicks ass.

A lot of young children I know see the whole series as one story.

But don't think for a moment that statements that fans have disowned the movies, and that there were colon cleaning because of a scmuck on you tube

I have no problem not thinking that. Mostly because I have no idea what that paricular sequence of words means.

Thank you. I thought it was just me.

Damn, I needed a proticol droid for translation.

There is a general statement that fans hate the prequels. That this Plinkett had given the prequels a much needed thrashing to "show them the light"

These broad strokes are untrue. All the prequels are listed fresh on Rotten Tomatoes. They made money, they were enjoyed.

I know many fans of the prequels. I know many fans of the TV show Clone Wars. We enjoyed them as Star Wars Movies. We weren't expecting for our lives to change dramatically.

I don't go into a James Bond movie expecting it to be Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

If you didn't like it... fine. But it's been fifteen years ...


First, I don't think most people are swayed much by reviews. If they were, then films like Big Momma's House 2 would be impossible. (My local reviewer: "Well, what were you expecting?") Clearly, many people either don't care what reviewers say, or can't read, or both. And even among those who do pay attention to reviewers, Plinkett's no Ebert: he's a disgusting, despicable character, who just happens to have a very keen insight on filmmaking. He goes out of his way to try to make you hate him personally (though it's sometimes too laughable), so that you'll take his views as objectively as possible: you won't agree with him because you like him, because he's so unlikable. Which makes it all the more impressive that so many people (including me) admire his work and usually agree with him. I worked in a cinema for over a decade, and wrote some reviews myself later on, so I tend to think I see films more from a reviewer's perspective, and I usually agree with them. Nevertheless, Plinkett is the only one who's ever said anything so intelligent and insightful about Abram's Star Trek as to change my perspective on it.

Second, opinions are not true or untrue, no matter how broad or narrow. People can be wrong about facts that they have an opinion on, but how much anyone likes a particular movie is entirely subjective -- there are no facts to parse. This is why people get into arguments over movies: they feel that their opinions are arguable facts, when in fact no one's are. And popular ratings don't mean nearly as much as people seem to think they do: as I often point out, the world's most popular beer is Budweiser. Film rating is not a democratic process, where majority prevails; rather, everyone is their own king and executioner. For that, how much money they make is at least as irrelevant. And, how films are assessed appropriately varies over time. Many films that we now consider classics did poorly at release, both critically and financially. (Hearst went out of his way to sabotage 'Citizen Kane,' regarded by many critics as the best American film ever made, and was mostly successful, at least initially: the film was a financial loss, and Welles never directed again. That people now remember Welles better than Hearst, and Hearst best for his skulduggery, is a delicious bit of poetic justice.) So let's not put too much emphasis on ratings, popularity, or success. There is probably no objective measure of how good a film is; hence, robust debate.

Third, the prequels were made for kids. And kids love them. And that's fine. I think they're fine as children's films. I think they're insulting as grown-up films, and perhaps grown-ups make a mistake in even trying to assess them on their own level. I certainly don't expect children's movies to change my life, so that's totally fair. But there's also a fair case to be made in comparing the prequel trilogy to the original trilogy on that basis: the originals are not appropriate for all kids, while the prequels are not appropriate for all grown-ups.

As for how long ago, that's actually part of the point of the video: That original fans just want the original, un-madeover films treated the same as all the others. Lucas, for whatever reason, apparently hates his originals and hates those of us who first made him rich and famous. And we kind of resent that. Fairly, I think.

Finally, I'm a Star Trek fan, not a Star Wars fan, so I don't care much about these films, but I've seen them all and still have my opinions. I was really only just teasing you about your writing, not about your views. But I appreciate your perspective, and the opportunity to voice my own.

I've only heard 1 cover and 1 parody of this song, and never heard the original. But from the cover and parody, it doesn't strike me as a bad song. And no, I don't listen to radio. I listen to the music that I want to listen to.

TheJoe03: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: No, you probably won't live long enough. Once songs become vinegar, they tend to stay that way for you forever. And radio will never stop playing it. But it's foolish to blame radio. You should know by now that radio is crap. Blame yourself for listening to it.

I've already lived long enough for songs from the 90s and 00s to be cool to listen to again. I barely listen to radio anyway, which makes it even worse that this song got so played out.

I used to think that, too, because I still love most of the music of my youth. But it turns out that that's a product specifically of youthful nostalgia, which we all have: most of those songs were just as overplayed back then as now, we just perceived and retained it differently because were were younger. Really. Music we liked later is for some mysterious reason processed differently by our Life Experience Memory (I just made that up, don't try searching for it), and can and does become vinegar when we hear it enough. I don't know why, but this is how it happens. And we really won't live long enough to get over it, I think.

ThatDarkFellow: Oh man! It would be totes awesome if they made a parody with 'Call me maybe' next. I know, I know, it's a totally underplayed and obscure song but I can see big things for it. But this was so omg anyway. Gotye is so underground I bet no one even knows the original!!!

Young hipsters are some of the most irritating creatures on the planet.

Okoboji: I can understand the prequel butthurt, but since I don't listen to pop radio, I don't understand all the hatred over this parody. I've never heard whatever song this is based off of (and frankly, I don't wish to).

It was a little long, though.

Do you have something to add, or are you just musing out loud?

/I have an itch on my back I can't reach. And it's a bit more humid than I'd prefer.
//Twitter seems to have trained people to believe that other people might care about their lunch.

bbfreak: worness

According to a few sources I've looked at, "Yesterday" by the Beatles is the most covered (and played) popular song in history. Gotye's "Somebody That I Used to Know" is probably not even close to being a contender.

People are weirdly myopic about this stuff. This song is big right now, but didn't even exist just thirteen months ago, and will probably be mostly forgotten in just a couple more years.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: bbfreak: worness

According to a few sources I've looked at, "Yesterday" by the Beatles is the most covered (and played) popular song in history. Gotye's "Somebody That I Used to Know" is probably not even close to being a contender.

People are weirdly myopic about this stuff. This song is big right now, but didn't even exist just thirteen months ago, and will probably be mostly forgotten in just a couple more years.

Close. IIRC, Yesterday is the most recorded song in history.

Happy Birthday is the most played song

/I agree it will fade out just like the Baha Men

Iggie: Here's another parody video: "Kicked Your Monkey" by Bad Lip Reading

That was funny.

Gunderson: Best Cover of Gotye-Somebody I used to know (Better than the original)

WalkoffTheEarth

Came for Walk Off The Earh.

Sarah Blackwood is incredibly talented. She could take my hand any day. She could haunt me all she wants. Sleep tight.

Oldiron_79: Am I the only one that misread it as Goatse?

Am I the only one that sees GOTYE and thinks "Game of the Year Edition"?

The best version of the original that I've heard was on SNL.
(Don't ask me why I was watching SNL)

/Warning: God damn farking commercial.

I haven't listened to music on the radio in years...the onion on my belt interferes with reception. But if this song is being overplayed on the radio, I suddenly feel more optimistic about humanity. That's way better than what I've imagined Top 40 sounding like these days.

IntertubeUser: I haven't listened to music on the radio in years...the onion on my belt interferes with reception. But if this song is being overplayed on the radio, I suddenly feel more optimistic about humanity. That's way better than what I've imagined Top 40 sounding like these days.

Actually its what the Top 40 radio stations play after playing a string of Katy Perry/Lady Gaga/Lil wayne songs in a row in order to break up an autotune marathon.

Same thing happened a few years ago with that "Hey There Delilah" song by Plain White T-Shirts.

Darth_Lukecash:
You're a Trekkie? Then your entire argument is invalid. :)

If the point of the video was about the changes to the originals, then your argument would be valid. It's not. It complains about midiclorians and "ruining what was cool"

Lucas doesn't hate you. He doesn't care about you. He never did. He just makes his movies the way he wants to. There were things that he was bothered by the original. He didn't want the special effects to be outdated or overshadowed by the prequels. So he made the changes.

And he certainly doesn't owe you anything. You don't owe him anything either. Just remember that you were a kid when you saw that film. I can bet you that most adults in there thought it was a childish movie.

Here's what's going on. You like the movies and the cartoon, and you hate that people don't like it, and that they say its idiotic, because that makes you feel like they must think you are inferior. I understand that. But you're blowing shiat way out of proportion to fit your personal narrative that the problem is with everyone else and not with the movies.

Now some people like to pay attention to details and some people don't. I have a feeling that since you feel the prequels were good that you don't particularly feel the need to pay attention. Its not just that you don't expect them to be somewhat consistent, its that you don't really notice that they aren't until someone points it out to you.

Here's the thing. If you pay attention to the song this is based on, you will hear that the complaints of the singer are largely based on his perspective and kind of dubious. The relationship he's complaining about wasn't good and he's glad its over, but he's picking out little flaws in his ex's behavior and claiming that those are the bases of his ill feelings. You see he legitimately feels bad, but he unjustifiably projects it on his ex. When she calls him out on it he responds by complaining about other shiat. The song is aware of its own indulgence, but it defends the sincerity. This is what real life relationships are like. Emotions don't follow logic, they get in the way of it. But that interferes with our sense of ourselves as rational beings, so we make up justifications. Even if those justifications are logically consistent, they are still just lies and pretense for the emotions that we are justifying.

You are taking the complaints in this parody at face value and feeling personally insulted because people don't like the things you like. You can't take all the complaints at face value. The relationship between fandom and Lucas is complicated. Lucas isn't just doing what he wants. He hated the studio system when he made the original movies, and he hated having to sit down and let them tinker with his work. He spent years thinking that those movies compromised his vision and if he could release them the way he wanted people would go ape shiat and he would be vindicated. A part of him hates fans for liking those "compromised" movies better than his "uncompromised" vision. Saying he's just making changes and the market has justified it is a cop out. Saying he just wants money is a cop out. He'd make a ton of money if he released the unaltered originals. He hasn't released the unaltered movies specifically because he doesn't want the market to reject his changes. He knows the midichlorians were a big mistake. That's why they are never mentioned again. And the prequels aren't children's movies. Kids don't care about trade routes and senate votes. Those things were included to try and make the movies appeal to adults. The market for the prequels were the existing fans of the franchise. The "its a kid's movie" was a post-Phantom release cop out. Heck, Revenge of the Sith is the darkest of all six movies, and its largely inappropriate for children.

But they are just farking movies. Old movies. Even the prequels are old movies. People have an emotional attachment to those movies, and an emotional reaction to George's incessant tweaking, and an emotional reaction to the prequels. Some of those emotions are justified and some aren't. It doesn't matter. They are all real. They all come out of an ongoing relationship with the product. The logical justifications are a pretense, just as much as the illogical and unjustified ones. You see, its messy just like a romantic relationship.

This song captures the sincere whineyness of the whole situation. It captures the "bad relationship" vibe. It gives Lucas' perspective earnestly without passing judgment on whether its legitimate. It displays the divide between the composition approach to the original movies and the green screen approach of the prequels. It shows a plump painted naked man singing his heart out. It gives the grievances a sincere airing, but at the same time makes fun of people for treating their relationship to old movies like a romantic breakup.

In short, its a joke. Its not an indictment of your intelligence or your taste.

And my original comment remains valid. This kind of joke stuff is never really going to die, but the only remaining fervor in the fan community is the release of the original movies. Once that is taken care of, people just aren't going to respond to the jokes the way they do now.

In the 80's George Lucas testified before congress that the American people had the right to unaltered black and white movies. There is cultural value to our entertainment. The world has a right to unaltered original Star Wars movies. The movies that were the work product of thousands of people, not just Lucas. He does owe us that much, and at some level he knows it. He's not going to give it to us. His estate will almost as soon as he dies, but he won't. So the biatching is going to continue until some point after he dies. The jokes will go a little longer after that.

Darth_Lukecash: You're a Trekkie? Then your entire argument is invalid. :)

Yeah, that's what I told my Star Wars-fan friends when they said they loved Abram's 'Star Trek.' Fair is fair.

If the point of the video was about the changes to the originals, then your argument would be valid. It's not. It complains about midiclorians and "ruining what was cool"

I didn't pay that much attention to it, I guess. But I agree with the points made: the whole midiclorian thing seemed silly to me, and that's actually about the best part of it, at least for me. I thought it was pretty awful, really. Nice-looking CGI, but so what? Awful story with awful characters, confusing plot that makes no sense.. if you haven't seen the Plinkett review, I suggest you do. It helped me to understand a lot of what was just sort of headachy for me that I couldn't put my finger on.

Lucas doesn't hate you. He doesn't care about you. He never did. He just makes his movies the way he wants to. There were things that he was bothered by the original. He didn't want the special effects to be outdated or overshadowed by the prequels. So he made the changes.

I actually don't care that much what Lucas thinks. He's just a filmmaker, and not an especially excellent one, despite the undeniable popularity of his films. (See 'Budweiser,' earlier) I think he's pretty full of himself, though, and I think if I was a serious Star Wars fan, I'd be pretty pissed about now. Most of my serious Star Wars friends are pretty pissed, and I don't think they're likely to all be wrong. And who cares about the special effects? What kind of shallow-minded fool thinks that special effects define a film, at any point in time? (Well, okay, maybe Michael Bay, but who cares?) 'Forbidden Planet' still stands up well, and it's half a century old -- out of date, no question, but valid on its own terms. Any viewers who can't respect that don't deserve consideration anyway. The original 'Star Trek' is a decade older, and much lower quality, with much cheesier effects -- but Paramount made it work for Blu-Ray. If that's Lucas's excuse here, then I think there's something else going on.

And he certainly doesn't owe you anything. You don't owe him anything either. Just remember that you were a kid when you saw that film. I can bet you that most adults in there thought it was a childish movie.

What Lucas does own me, and everyone my age, is basic respect. Lucas had made only two films before Star Wars, and only 'American Graffiti' got any real attention. (Most of us probably wouldn't even know about 'TXH-1138' otherwise.) He didn't rate a solid budget for his space opera, and had to do it on such a short budget that he was forced to shoot up to three scenes once, to save on costly studio time.

Early fans like me made Lucas who he is today. Without us, there never would have been a second film, or any others, and there's no telling where his career would have gone. In fact, to date, Lucas has only directed two films that *aren't* Star Wars films -- both are listed above. Star Wars has been his *entire* directing career from 1977 on. So yes, he damn well does owe us. I don't think he respects early fans. And though I'm not much of a fan now, I was then, when it mattered much more to him personally than it does now. So yes, I do feel insulted.

As for what you can assure, I invite you to present your findings. The film has five stars from the professional reviewers I respect most, as one of the all-time classics -- and not as a children's movie. I just asked my father, who is a scientist with a PhD, and he says he didn't find it childish at all. So I guess my dad must be an outlier, huh? And yeah, I was a kid, but I'm not a kid anymore, and I still love it, and I've never found it 'childish'. So I must be, too.

salvador.hardin: Here's the thing.

Thank you for saying all this. It's eloquent and insightful, and I'm humbled by it.

Lou Cypher: Never understood the "Han Shot First" mantra, considering the salient thing about the original scene is that he never gave the green bastard an opportunity to shoot at all.

Missed Greedo pointing his blaster at Han during the entire scene did you?